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Drbio
07-06-2003, 08:01 PM
Lakers star posted $25,000 bond

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A warrant has been issued by the Eagle County (Colo.) Sherriff's Office for the arrest of Los Angeles Lakers superstar Kobe Bryant.

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An unidentified woman filed a report with authorities July 1 alleging sexual misconduct by Bryant at a hotel in Eagle County.

Law enforcement officials who reviewed evidence concluded there was sufficient evidence to charge Bryant with felony sexual assault. Authorities say Bryant has been cooperative during the investigation.

Bryant posted a $25,0000 bond after turning himself in to the Eagle County Sherriff's Detention Facility in Eagle, Colo., on Friday.

Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak issued a statement expressing surprise.

"These allegations are completely out of character of the Kobe Bryant we know," it read. "For the seven years he's been with us he has been one of the finest young men we've known and a wonderful asset to both our team and our community.

"However, since this is a legal matter being handled by the authorities in Colorado, we must refrain from further comment at this time."

Drbio
07-06-2003, 08:04 PM
Of course, we should all be patient while details are fleshed out in this case. Kobe was arrested sure, but he has yet to admit to any wrongdoing or been found guilty. Still, this is tremendously shocking. The man just had his first child a couple of months ago.

Member
07-06-2003, 08:23 PM
kobe is one of the last players in the league i would expect to do this, all he cares about is basketball

besides, isn't he married?

cookies_n_mavs
07-06-2003, 08:30 PM
That is shocking

He has a wife and a child

I would have never expected a guy like Kobe to do something like that, even if he is a punk when it comes to basketball

Rhylan
07-06-2003, 08:35 PM
ehhh, it's probably one of those deals where some crazy lady tries to extort money. as much as I dislike Kobe, I'd be shocked in a Savovic-esque way if he really did it.

veruca salt
07-06-2003, 08:52 PM
yeah, i mean, no married fathers have ever committed this sort of crime in the past. he must be innocent.
and if not, she was probably asking for it anyway...(do i even need to put the moon on the end of this post?)

Lvubun1
07-06-2003, 08:56 PM
Talk about somebodys trade value going down, before you could be able to get any player in the league for Kobe, now he will be traded for a couple packs of cigs and two weeks laundry duty.

seelenjaeger
07-06-2003, 09:04 PM
Since we can rule out a Malone for Kobe deal - how about a Payton and some firsts for Kobe, then LA signs Malone for the 4.5 million exception?

Would be both Malone and Payton heading to LA, but still not too much of a problem all of a sudden ... or maybe still?

cookies_n_mavs
07-06-2003, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by: veruca salt
yeah, i mean, no married fathers have ever committed this sort of crime in the past. he must be innocent.
and if not, she was probably asking for it anyway...(do i even need to put the moon on the end of this post?)

Actually I was answering someone's post who asked if he was married... It wasn't part of my "shock"

MavKikiNYC
07-06-2003, 09:12 PM
Maybe he's just trying to win over Iverson's fan base in Philadelphia?

Tony tha Mavs fan
07-06-2003, 09:43 PM
These hoochies always try to make a quick buck, wait a minute , didn't someone try to extort money out of Jordan by saying they slept with him?

dallas_esq
07-06-2003, 09:48 PM
Yes, he is a target. If I was him I'd stay home!

Mandyahl
07-06-2003, 10:26 PM
when i saw the topic, i thought it was a joke. i really wouldn't have expected this. i am curious to know if the allegations are true.

MavsFanFinley
07-06-2003, 10:31 PM
I was shocked when I read this in connection with Kobe. As much as I dislike the guy, I never thought I'd read something like this about him.

True, it could be that he is/was a target, but the authorities believed there was enough to arrest him. It will be interesting to see what comes out in the next days/weeks.

mavsfanforever
07-06-2003, 10:32 PM
Although I am not a big Kobe fan, but defenitely shocked that Kobe was even mentioned in something like this. Just when the league was marketing him as a good guy, this happened.

Mandyahl
07-06-2003, 10:43 PM
i really, truly thought that he was a "good" guy. i am not a fan, but i didn't think this was his kind of thing. as i said, it could be that he did nothing. we will just have to wait and see.

Drbio
07-06-2003, 10:48 PM
Some of the lawyers chime in, but I was just reading the elements of a crime req's for Colorado for a felony and it looks bad. Either (allegedly) Kobe had sex with a minor or he forced a woman into acts of a sexual nature by force or coersion. Either way, if he did it....he should be tried like everyone else and if found guilty should serve time like any other person would.

If he is in fact a target, the woman should be jailed for the same amount of time that he was facing.

Either way, this story is disgusting.

ClipFan
07-06-2003, 10:49 PM
The thing about Kobe is, he does stay home and when on the road he either stay in the room or go to a restroom with his bodyguard. None of his teammates, because most of them are into the whole party scene. When the Lakers came through Dallas last, he went to the restaurant across the street from the hotel rather than going to a party Samaki Walker was throwing at a local club that all his teammates went to. This is "probably" one of those things where a woman is trying to make a quick buck, ithappens to alot of NBA players but it is not made public since they aren't Kobe Bryant. This is a sad world we live in folks, truely sad when women has to do these type of things to make a buck. This type of crime just don't fit Kobe, don't fit him at all.

Mandyahl
07-06-2003, 10:51 PM
i hope so, clipfan.

Drbio
07-06-2003, 11:03 PM
You just never know. Kobe is as capable as committing this as is anyone. You cannot state otherwise. Is it out of character? Yes, from what we have seen. Maybe he has done something like this before. Maybe not. Just be patient until the facts come out.

If the evidence is there, he should be (and has been) charged. Now, let the process take its' course, but do not lose sight that he is not guilty until the court says he is.







Should Shaq have been charged for this?
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Mandyahl
07-06-2003, 11:05 PM
i know, drbio. it is interesting that he turned himsef in though. his image is tarnished even if he is proven innocent though.

Drbio
07-06-2003, 11:09 PM
Not my words, but an interesting post from the ESPN chat board....


U wouldn't expect it from kobe. he's never been one of those thug players like A.I. or artest.Very well-polished young man.

Are you kidding? He gave Venessa a ring because her family was going to file charges of statutory rape after he got her pregnant when she was under age.

ClipFan
07-06-2003, 11:10 PM
He turned himself in because he has nothing to hide, he has done nothing wrong.

Mandyahl
07-06-2003, 11:13 PM
i didn't know that, doc.

also, this just occurred to me...does this have any effect on malone and gp wanting to sign in la?

Drbio
07-06-2003, 11:17 PM
Originally posted by: ClipFan
He turned himself in because he has nothing to hide, he has done nothing wrong.


That's rediculous. He turned himself in because an arrest warrant was issued for him. What was he supposed to do? Pull some OJ drive around or run like a fugitive? He did the right thing by turning himself in but it shows absolutely nothing towards his guilt or innocence.

MFFL
07-07-2003, 12:22 AM
What a shocking turn of events - I can't even compose a response to it. I'll just have to wait and see.

digit
07-07-2003, 12:56 AM
Gee, some guys should try to relax a bit...I didn`t read, that Kobe is GUILTY of committing a crime...do you?? If he is GUILTY, SHAME ON HIM!! If not, he just continues to be a Laker punk...

ocelot_ark
07-07-2003, 01:47 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

f'Kobe

Evilmav2
07-07-2003, 02:19 AM
Another article...

Kobe arrested for sexual assault
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Lakers star forced to turn himself in to Colorado police

July 6 — Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant turned himself in to police and posted a $25,000 bond on a felony count of sexual assault, the Eagle County sheriff’s office said Sunday.

THE 24-YEAR-OLD All-Star guard was released after turning himself in on Friday.

According to the Los Angeles Times, Bryant told a team official that the accusations were “bogus.”

The sheriff’s office said an arrest warrant was issued after deputies investigated a woman’s claims Tuesday of sexual misconduct by Bryant. The incident happened the previous night in a resort hotel in the Edwards area of Eagle County, near Vail, the sheriff’s office said in a statement.

The report said the incident happened on the night of June 30 in a hotel in the Edwards area of Eagle County, near Vail.

After a series of interviews and a review of the physical evidence, investigators met with representatives for District Attorney Mark Hurlbert and concluded they had enough evidence for the felony sexual assault count, the sheriff’s office said in a statement. According to the Times, felony sexual assault has a wide scope in Colorado, ranging from coerced touching to rape.

Hurlbert said Sunday night he hadn’t made a decision on whether to file charges and had not yet seen the arrest report. He said the sheriff’s office asked a judge for an arrest warrant instead of requesting one through his office, the usual practice.

Judge Russell Granger ordered the case sealed. Attempts to reach Bryant for comment were not immediately successful.

“These allegations are completely out of character of the Kobe Bryant we know,” Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak said in a statement. “For the seven years he’s been with us, he has been one of the finest young men we’ve known and a wonderful asset to both our team and our community.

“However, since this is a legal matter being handled by the authorities in Colorado, we must refrain from further comment at this time.”

NBA spokesman Tim Frank said the league had no immediate comment.

The Times reported that Bryant was a guest at the Lodge and Spa at Cordillera Hotel near Edwards, Colo. According to Bryant’s attorney, Pamela Mackey, Bryant was in Colorado to undergo arthoscopic surgery on his right knee, a procedure performed by Vail specialist Dr. Richard Steadman.

Mackey told the Times that Bryant arrived in Edwards on June 30, had surgery the next day and returned to Los Angeles on Wednesday.

“Kobe is innocent,” Mackey told the Times. “Can you imagine being accused of this? It’s awful.”

Bryant was the NBA’s second-leading scorer last season, averaging a career-best 30 points a game. He scored 40 or more points in nine straight games in February and also had career-high averages of 6.9 rebounds and 5.9 assists while playing in each of the Lakers’ 82 games.

The Lakers were eliminated from the Western Conference semifinals by the San Antonio Spurs, ending Los Angeles’ run of three straight NBA championships.

Bryant underwent shoulder surgery on June 12 in New York. The Lakers expect he’ll be ready by the start of training camp in October.

Bryant married Vanessa Laine in April 2001. Bryant and his parents recently mended a rift that developed when he became engaged to Laine when she was an 18-year-old high school student.

Vanessa, gave birth to their first child, Natalia Diamante Bryant, in January.

madape
07-07-2003, 08:55 AM
This is disgusting. The worlds newsest marketing superstar is acctually a sex addict who apparently enjoys using his position as a pop-culture icon to force sex upon unassuming, underage girls. This "sqeaky clean" image Addidas and Sprite have forced down our throats is nothing more than a malicious marketing strategy devised to induce us to part with our money. Shame on them for portaying the pervert as something he's not. And shame us for opening up our wallets and gleefully handing over our hard earned cash to the rotten, corrupt, golden cow. Kobe's sponsors may have been more successful in keeping Kobe away from drugs and hookers than the sponsors of many of his Laker's piers, but regretfully, Kobe's addiction is much, much more harmful. How many innocent little girls has Bryant already infected with his sick, perverted, disease? Thankfully, someone has gathered up enough courage to take on the pervert, his sponsors, and his hordes of high priced lawyers. The upcoming legal battle is a fight that we must wim... for the good of consumers around the world, for the good of society as a whole , for the good of the hundreds of little girls who this sick freak will eventually foul if his perversion goes unchecked.

Chicago JK
07-07-2003, 09:02 AM
I seriously doubt anything happened here.

Chicago JK
07-07-2003, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by: madape
This is disgusting. The worlds newsest marketing superstar is acctually a sex addict who apparently enjoys using his position as a pop-culture icon to force sex upon unassuming, underage girls. This "sqeaky clean" image Addidas and Sprite have forced down our throats is nothing more than a malicious marketing strategy devised to induce us to part with our money. Shame on them for portaying the pervert as something he's not. And shame us for opening up our wallets and gleefully handing over our hard earned cash to the rotten, corrupt, golden cow. Kobe's sponsors may have been more successful in keeping Kobe away from drugs and hookers than the sponsors of many of his Laker's piers, but regretfully, Kobe's addiction is much, much more harmful. How many innocent little girls has Bryant already infected with his sick, perverted, disease? Thankfully, someone has gathered up enough courage to take on the pervert, his sponsors, and his hordes of high priced lawyers. The upcoming legal battle is a fight that we must wim... for the good of consumers around the world, for the good of society as a whole , for the good of the hundreds of little girls who this sick freak will eventually foul if his perversion goes unchecked.

wow...sorta jumping to conclusions???

madape
07-07-2003, 09:13 AM
Oh yeah, I forgot.. he's innocent. Sorry!

Drbio
07-07-2003, 10:05 AM
good one ape.



Most of these kinds of situations are regrettably trumped up attempts at a quick payday. A few are not. Until the facts come out, there is really nothing to substantiate either way. I hope that the truth is discovered and not suppressed because someone can afford to pay to suppress it. Maybe Webber and Kobe can be cell mates.

Drbio
07-07-2003, 10:22 AM
The latest story....note that he has not been formally charged as was earlier reported.




Woman accuses Bryant of sexual misconduct

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DENVER -- Prosecutors are considering whether to file charges against Kobe Bryant after a woman accused the Los Angeles Lakers' star of sexual misconduct at a hotel near Vail.


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Bryant, 24, was released after turning himself in Friday and posting a $25,000 bond on suspicion of felony sexual assault, the Eagle County sheriff's office said Sunday.

The woman, who was not identified, told sheriff's deputies on Tuesday that Bryant sexually assaulted her the previous night in a hotel in the Edwards area. No other details were released about the case, which has been sealed by a judge.

The Denver Post reported Monday that Paul Pastoor, general manager for the Lodge and Spa at Cordillera, confirmed that Bryant stayed at the Edwards hotel. Bryant, who was not available for comment, was in the area to have arthroscopic surgery on his right knee Tuesday at the Steadman Hawkins Clinic.

"Kobe is innocent," Bryant's Denver-based lawyer, Pamela Mackey, told the Los Angeles Times. "Can you imagine being accused of this? It's awful."

After a series of interviews and a review of the physical evidence, investigators met with representatives for District Attorney Mark Hurlbert and concluded they had enough evidence for the felony sexual assault count, the sheriff's office said.

Hurlbert said Sunday night he hadn't made a decision on whether to file charges and had not yet seen the arrest report.

He said the sheriff's office asked a judge for an arrest warrant instead of requesting one through his office, the usual practice. In Colorado, police officers can make an arrest on suspicion of a crime but only the district attorney's office can file charges.

"It's very distressing that the sheriff's office, who is supposed to be conducting the unbiased investigation, ignores what the district attorney says and goes out and gets a warrant," Mackey said. "It's outrageous."

Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak issued a statement Sunday.

"These allegations are completely out of character of the Kobe Bryant we know," Kupchak said. "For the seven years he's been with us, he has been one of the finest young men we've known and a wonderful asset to both our team and our community.

"However, since this is a legal matter being handled by the authorities in Colorado, we must refrain from further comment at this time."

Similar support, and similar silence, also came from Nike.

"We're pleased to work with Kobe Bryant as he is a great player," Nike spokesman Nigel Powell told ESPN.com. "But since this is a legal matter, we cannot comment at this time."

Bryant recently signed a five-year endorsement deal with Nike believed to be worth more than $8 million per year.

NBA spokesman Tim Frank said the league had no immediate comment.

Since entering the NBA straight from high school, Bryant has drawn comparisons to the league's greatest players.

Despite early struggles -- he airballed three jumpers during the waning moments of the Lakers' series-ending loss to Utah in the Western Conference semifinals his rookie season -- Bryant quickly established that he was deserving the hype.

He was a star when Los Angeles won three consecutive titles from 2000-02 and was the MVP of the 2002 All-Star Game.

Bryant was the NBA's second-leading scorer last season, averaging a career-best 30 points. He scored 40 or more points in nine straight games in February and also had career-high averages of 6.9 rebounds and 5.9 assists.

When the Lakers were eliminated from the playoffs by San Antonio, Bryant wiped away tears as he left the court. "I hate this feeling, I don't ever want to feel it again," he said.

Along with that determination, Bryant has often shown dignity and heart many fans feel are missing from other NBA stars. He also speaks fluent Italian, scored 1080 on his SATs and is blessed with a camera friendly smile.

He married Vanessa Laine in April 2001. The two met on the set of a music video where Laine was working and got engaged while she was still in high school. Laine gave birth to their first child, Natalia Diamante Bryant, in January. Bryant wore his hospital ID bracelet in a game the day after his daughter was born.

"I'm excited to play basketball, but to be honest, I really didn't want to leave," he said. "I did not want to take my eyes off her and my wife."

WayOutWest
07-07-2003, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by: Drbio
Not my words, but an interesting post from the ESPN chat board....


U wouldn't expect it from kobe. he's never been one of those thug players like A.I. or artest.Very well-polished young man.

Are you kidding? He gave Venessa a ring because her family was going to file charges of statutory rape after he got her pregnant when she was under age.

LOL! I'm sure there are some "credible" sources for that BS rumor. The pregnancy was what, 28-32 months? Must have been one hell of a big baby.

I found this part of the story very interesting:

"Hurlbert said Sunday night he hadn’t made a decision on whether to file charges and had not yet seen the arrest report. He said the sheriff’s office asked a judge for an arrest warrant instead of requesting one through his office, the usual practice."

Either somebody, including the police, are looking for their 15 minutes at Kobe's expense or Kobe was just testing out his "new and improved" knee. I agree with the posters who mentioned that hopefully the case won't be surpressed or settled out of court.

MavKikiNYC
07-07-2003, 11:46 AM
Gotta say that the math didn't add up there for me either.

I did a quick search to see if I could corroborate some dates, but wasn't able to.

Is there more to this story, Doc?

Tony tha Mavs fan
07-07-2003, 11:47 AM
Kobe's Lawyers Says He's Innocent

Randy Wyrick

Eagle County authorities released Los Angeles Laker guard Kobe Bryant on $25,000 bond Friday after they issued a warrant for his arrest, accusing him of felony sexual assault on a 19-year-old woman, the Eagle County Sheriff's Office announced Sunday.

Bryant, 24, was in Eagle County last week, reportedly for knee surgery by a local orthopedist, and stayed at The Lodge at Cordillera in Edwards, where the incident allegedy occurred, sources said.

Local authorities said the alleged assault occurred Monday, June 30. The allegations of sexual assault were filed with the Eagle County Sheriff's Office Tuesday.

Bryant's attorneys and his agent released a written statement in which they asserted Bryant's innocence, and called the Sheriff's office action "biased and unfair."

"We are confident that upon the completion of an unbiased investigation, Mr. Bryant will be cleared of any criminal misconduct," said the statement by Bryant's attorneys. "The actions of the Sheriff's Office are biased and unfair."

Bryant turned himself in at the sheriff's detention facility in Eagle on Friday and posted a bond of $25,000, authorities said.

Sources close to the investigation said physical evidence exists to link Bryant to the allegations.

In a Sheriff's Office statement released Sunday, authorities said that after interviews with local witnesses and a review of physical evidence, investigators met with representatives for District Attorney Mark Hurlbert and concluded they had enough evidence for the felony sexual assault count.

But Hurlbert told the Vail Daily Sunday night he hadn't made a decision on whether to file charges and had not yet seen the arrest report.

"I don't know yet whether I'll file charges," Hurlburt said in a telephone interview from his home. "I need to review the report, review the evidence."

While Hurlburt refused to say the Eagle County Sheriff's Office jumped the gun in issuing an arrest warrant for Bryant, he did say Sheriff Joe Hoy and his department did not follow the normal operating procedure.

He said the Sheriff's Office asked a judge for an arrest warrant instead of requesting one through his office, the usual practice.

Sources close to the investigation also said Bryant is now back in California.

Reports of the allegations first arose Tuesday as tips that an investigation was ongoing. Both Eagle County Sheriff Joe Hoy and Hurlburt refused to comment at that time. The Vail Daily decided not to report on the allegations until official action was taken in the case.

Judge Russell Granger ordered that the case be sealed to the public, meaning few if any new details would be released.

Eagle County authorities said that Bryant was cooperative during the investigation and remains cooperative.

In a statement released Sunday night by Bryant's attorneys Harold A. Haddon and Pamela Robillard Mackey, and his agent, Robert Pelinka, they said Bryant is innocent and expects to be completely exonerated.

"Mr. Bryant fully cooperated with the investigation by the Eagle County Sheriff's Office," they said in the statement. "No charges have been filed. Although the Sheriff's Office can obtain an arrest warrant, only the District Attorney's Office can file charges. We are hopeful that the investigation will continue with unbiased investigators."

Bryant's attorneys said they were assured last Thursday by the District Attorney's Office that the investigation was ongoing and that no action would be taken until today at the earliest.

"We were told that the matter was under consideration by the District Attorney's Office but that there was insufficient information to issue a warrant or to file charges," they said. "The District Attorney's Office stated to us that more time was needed to complete and analyze the investigation before any decisions were made."

Bryant's attorneys said the District Attorney's Office then notified the Eagle County Sheriff's Office that no action was to be taken on the matter over the holiday weekend.

"Contrary to the direct instruction of the District Attorney's Office, the Eagle County Sheriff's Office sought and obtained an arrest warrant for Mr. Bryant," they said in the statement. "This action illustrates the complete bias of the Sheriff's Office, the law enforcement agency charged with investigating the allegations against Mr. Bryant and searching for the truth."

Bryant, an NBA All-Star each year since 1998 who helped lead the Los Angeles Lakers to three straight championships from 2000 to 2002, is a leading advertising pitchman nationally, thanks to a squeaky clean image.

Tony tha Mavs fan
07-07-2003, 12:00 PM
SHE WAS FREAKIN 19 ,whats all this crap about him being with an underage girl? KOBE STILL HASN'T BEEN CHARGED WITH ANYTHING! It's sad how some people are lookin to convict Kobe, before all the facts in this case have even been uncovered. If this is bull*** charges I hope Kobe sues the crap out of her and backwoods Colorado police department' who went after him without sufficient evidence. This looks more and more like someone trying to make a quick buck and i hope Kobe is cleared of all charges in this matter.

hero = dirk
07-07-2003, 12:12 PM
ya i don't know. i hope kobe really didn't do that. this is big news... i heard it on two radio stations this morning. not a good thing for kobe's image.

kg_veteran
07-07-2003, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by: Tony tha Mavs fan
SHE WAS FREAKIN 19 ,whats all this crap about him being with an underage girl? KOBE STILL HASN'T BEEN CHARGED WITH ANYTHING! It's sad how some people are lookin to convict Kobe, before all the facts in this case have even been uncovered. If this is bull*** charges I hope Kobe sues the crap out of her and backwoods Colorado police department' who went after him without sufficient evidence. This looks more and more like someone trying to make a quick buck and i hope Kobe is cleared of all charges in this matter.


If Kobe isn't charged with anything, I'm almost certain his "legal team" will file a defamation suit seeking millions upon millions of dollars in damages.

Drbio
07-07-2003, 02:28 PM
Kiki- nope...not anything else other than that.



I hope Kobe did NOT do it. The thing that bothers me is that in most cases where a woman is trying to cash in on a star, they wait until weeks or months later to make the allegations. This woman went to the police immediately and they performed some kind of investigation that obtained "evidence of a felonious assault". That doesn't sound too good. I imagine at the very least, Kobe diddled a young attractive lady. if she is gold digger, she should pay. If not, Kobe should face what the system gives him. If I were Kobe's wife right now I would be incredibly pissed off that he even got into this situation at all. It is obvious that he was in a hotel room with this young lady. That is really not a point of argument apparently on either side. What happened in that hotel room is for the courts to flesh out.

Mandyahl
07-07-2003, 02:30 PM
the thing is...what he is charged with is so vague. i hope we get some more info soon because i hate being in the dark.

and kobe being in a hotel room with some 19 year old at all damages his reputation significantly.

MavKikiNYC
07-07-2003, 02:31 PM
"...flesh out."

Ha. Doc made a funny.

Drbio
07-07-2003, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by: MavKikiNYC
"...flesh out."

Ha. Doc made a funny.


Oh my...i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif



oops.

LakerMania
07-07-2003, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by: Drbio
Not my words, but an interesting post from the ESPN chat board....


U wouldn't expect it from kobe. he's never been one of those thug players like A.I. or artest.Very well-polished young man.

Are you kidding? He gave Venessa a ring because her family was going to file charges of statutory rape after he got her pregnant when she was under age.




I have read a few of your posts Doc and you don't seem like the kind of guy to throw crap to the wall just to see if it sticks. But in this case something stinks. i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif

Drbio
07-07-2003, 06:43 PM
LakerMania....it was just a post from another board. I found it to be pertinent and interesting because I had never heard the allegation of Vanessa's family on Kobe before. Read through this thread. I am not bashing Kobe even though I freely admit to not liking the guy. I felt it was pertinent to the discussion. It can be argued...it can be dismissed...whatever. Until all of the facts are made known (if that ever happens) we should be cautious in what stones are thrown. I'm not ready to send him up the river yet by any means. If he didn't do anything, the girl should be criminally prosecuted, but if he did, he should be tried and let the system work its' course.

I know it must be hard to see Kobe be accused of felonious sexual assault as a Laker fan so maybe it is just sensitivity working here. I would be disturbed if Dirk were accused of the same thing. Maybe even devastated, but the facts are that Kobe was in a hotel room with a 19 year old girl that was not his wife and that makes him guilty of being careless and maybe stupid anyways. It is not a great day for Laker fans or the Bryant family by any means. I hope it's not true. It's devastating not only to LA and the Bryants, but to the NBA in general. One of the "Clean cut" good guys has been knocked down as a criminal. It's very unfortunate.

mavs_afroman
07-07-2003, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by: Rhylan
ehhh, it's probably one of those deals where some crazy lady tries to extort money. as much as I dislike Kobe, I'd be shocked in a Savovic-esque way if he really did it.


2 points for good use of Savovic in a sentence.

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I'd be really shocked as well. His teammates often comment about how he doesn't even go out partying with them. Secondly, I can find probable cause. He doesn't seem to be crazy enough or dumb enough to do something like this and he's definitely can't be hard up for women.

Drbio
07-07-2003, 06:55 PM
sometimes the little head outthinks the big head.

dallas_esq
07-07-2003, 06:56 PM
Fascinating. I will be following this story and the trial very closely. You have to figure that the evidence is pretty good if they are going forward with the case. Hard to prove rape though, and Kobe isn't as easy to hate as Tyson was. YOu can bet everything he's ever done will soon be public.

Drbio
07-07-2003, 10:34 PM
From Jay Leno:

The charges against Kobe must be false. We all know Kobe has never made a pass.

Drbio
07-07-2003, 10:34 PM
dreaded double post

Smiles
07-07-2003, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by: Rhylan ... as much as I dislike Kobe, I'd be shocked in a Savovic-esque way if he really did it.
a classic Rhylan line! i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif

i hope we have some real info to go on soon. this could take forever... i don't want to believe it's true, and neither do i want to believe that she would make something like this up. it'll be a mess all the way around.

watch your backs guys.

Mandyahl
07-08-2003, 12:03 AM
Originally posted by: Drbio
From Jay Leno:

The charges against Kobe must be false. We all know Kobe has never made a pass.

that's a great line. great. i wish i had thought of it.

Dooby
07-08-2003, 03:33 PM
Not making this up. This was in last weeks' sportspickle.com

Kobe Bryant Will Slap Ho, Mispronounce Words to Increase Street Cred

Kobe Bryant announced today that he will slap a ho and mispronounce several words in a press conference next week. Bryant hopes the actions will increase his street credibility.
The Los Angeles Lakers star guard said the event is the first step in a street credibility offensive that he has mounted after getting only a $45 million endorsement deal from Nike, half of what high school phenom Lebron James just received. Numerous polls have shown Bryant is not viewed as favorably as many other top NBA players by young and urban fans.
“My past is fraught with smooth diction, respectable manners and charity work – three things that will never get me the level of respect of an Allen Iverson, Jason Williams or Rasheed Wallace,” said Bryant. “Therefore, next week I will slap a ho and repeatedly use poor diction.”
Bryant has yet to select the ho he will slap, but has decided on the grammar errors, with double negatives and the word “aks,” in place of “ask,” slated to be used throughout the press conference. He is also considering applying several temporary tattoos and ending every other statement with phrase “know what I’m sayin?” during the event.


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Mandyahl
07-08-2003, 03:35 PM
wow, that is really weird.

are there any updates otherwise?

WayOutWest
07-08-2003, 04:43 PM
There are alot of "assumptions" being presented as facts. The biggest one being that this occured in Kobe's hotel room. There isnt' anything printed or reported that has made that claim, only that it happened at the hotel and off course most people assume it happened in his room. Maybe or maybe not, it could have happened in numerous places, lobby, pool, cafeteria or elevator, we just don't know. I have also read claims that the femal was a hotel employee but I haven't found a coroborating story.

The biggest blow to Kobe and his supporters is this FACT reported by MSNBC:

"The sheriff's office is accusing Bryant, the 24-year-old NBA superstar, of felony sexual assault. Hoy said investigators have sent unspecified evidence to the state Bureau of Investigation for analysis."



"evidence"???? If it's semen then Kobe's image takes a major blow even IF it was concentual.

Mandyahl
07-08-2003, 04:47 PM
very true, wayoutwest.

on a sidenote, anyone with a lot of time on their hands may want to check this (http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic=46274&forum=1&start=0) out. it's a thread in a lakers forum about the whole kobe thing.

also, freekobe.com.

MavsFanFinley
07-09-2003, 10:21 AM
Vail cabbie says Bryant was with entourage, police

ESPN.com news services

CORDILLERA, Colo. -- Kobe Bryant left a Colorado hospital approximately 12 hours after the time frame in which he is accused of committing sexual assault against a 19-year-old woman, the Orange County Register reported Wednesday.

Terry O'Brien, a 38-year-old Vail Taxi dispatcher and driver, told the Register that he picked up the Lakers star from the emergency room at Valley View Hospital in Glenwood Springs. According to the newspaper, Bryant was with three members of his entourage and flanked by Eagle County sheriff's officers.

Bryant pulled a towel over his head before diving into the back seat of the cab, O'Brien told the newspaper.

Eagle County sheriff's officials could not be reached by the Register to comment on why Bryant was at the hospital with police. Bryant had arthroscopic surgery on his right knee at the Steadman Hawkins Clinic in Vail a day earlier.

O'Brien said he transported Bryant and three men to the Hotel Colorado in Glenwood Springs, then drove one of the men back to the Lodge and Spa at Cordillera, where the man "cleared out" Bryant's belongings. O'Brien said he was paid $372 by Bryant bodyguard Michael Ortiz for the 2½-hour job. The Register did not specify how O'Brien knew Ortiz's identity.

"The whole thing was pretty weird and pretty fishy," O'Brien told the Register. "Bryant was laying in the back seat with a towel over his head, trying not to be seen, while three men were taking care of all the details."

District Attorney Mark Hurlbert said Tuesday he hoped to have a decision whether to file charges against Bryant by the end of this week.

"I felt confident from the first time I talked to my investigators," Eagle County Sheriff Joe Hoy said. "I felt we did the right thing."

Hoy confirmed that the allegations against Bryant were made by a 19-year-old Colorado woman who works at the resort. Hoy said the woman has left on vacation with her family.

Hoy also said investigators have sent unspecified evidence to the Colorado Bureau of Investigation for analysis. A bureau official said that the work has begun.

On Tuesday, Hoy said the alleged victim would return home from a family vacation to "mind-boggling" media attention.

Hoy said he was concerned about the pressure on the woman and frustrated that there was more attention on Bryant than on her.

"To me, the sad part is, if this hadn't been who it involved, this wouldn't even be a blip on anyone's radar screen," he said. "Personally, I think they're focusing on our suspect rather than on the victim."

Prosecutors Monday said they needed more time before deciding whether to bring charges against Bryant, 24.

"Sexual assault cases are extremely complex and sometimes it takes awhile to get through everything," Hurlbert said Monday.

He refused to discuss details of the allegations against Bryant, a five-time NBA All-Star. Hurlbert said the alleged victim was "doing OK, considering the circumstances."

Under Colorado law, sexual assault could range from fondling to rape.

Bryant's lawyer said Monday that Bryant "expects to be completely exonerated" and accused the sheriff's office of rushing the case.

Bryant turned himself in to authorities Friday, the sheriff's office said. The married father of a baby girl was released that day after posting $25,000 bond.

Officials at the Lodge & Spa at Cordillera, a gated resort in Edwards, said Bryant stayed there June 30-July 2.

Mandyahl
07-09-2003, 12:58 PM
this is very weird. what was he doing at a hospital? i am sooo confused about this whole case.

WayOutWest
07-09-2003, 01:31 PM
Originally posted by: Mandyahl
this is very weird. what was he doing at a hospital? i am sooo confused about this whole case.

Kobe was probably at the hospital so the cops could get samples for DNA testings. Blood, saliva, seman, hair etc.....

It's not looking good if they ALSO have samples taken from the alleged victim to compare too. Now that's it's been reported that the female was a hotel employee it creates all kinds of speculation as to the validity of the evidence collected. If the female has access to Kobe's room she could get samples that way. Since the records are sealed it's tough to speculate one way or another until we know the details of initial complaint and subsequent interview and examination of the victim.

What a roller coaster ride for the Laker faithfull these past few days.

Drbio
07-09-2003, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by: Mandyahl
this is very weird. what was he doing at a hospital? i am sooo confused about this whole case.


Since we are all jsut speculating, maybe she kicked him in the jimmy while she tried to get away. We all know a small kick in the jimmy would induce a major Showbe medical response. You breathe on the guy and he doubles over in apparent pain. Then he miraculously gets well and makes a great play. The thing that pisses me off about Kobe is his fake injury crap. He is such a talented and amazing player. I wish he would give up the theatrics.

MavKikiNYC
07-09-2003, 06:06 PM
Was Kobe in Vail for arthroscopic knee surgery?

Mandyahl
07-09-2003, 06:07 PM
that's what has been reported, kiki.

Drbio
07-09-2003, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by: MavKikiNYC
Was Kobe in Vail for arthroscopic knee surgery?


Yes....and he didn't tell the Lakers.

Drbio
07-10-2003, 03:47 PM
Decision on charges put off until next week

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ESPN.com news services


EAGLE, Colo. -- Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant talked to and flirted with the alleged victim in the ongoing sexual assault case when he checked into the Lodge & Spa at Cordillera on June 30, according to hotel employees, the Los Angeles Times reported Thursday.


Bryant


One employee told the newspaper that hotel security, responding to complaints of noise from other guests, went to Bryant's room early in the morning on July 1. A report of the alleged attack was made to Eagle County law enforcement officials later that afternoon, hours after Bryant underwent arthroscopic knee surgery, according to the Times.

A decision on whether to charge Bryant with the assault will not be announced until sometime next week, prosecutors said Thursday. Eagle County District Attorney Mark Hurlbert did not immediately return a call, but his spokeswoman said there will be no word until then.

The Times also reported that the alleged victim -- a hotel employee -- is a former cheerleader and choir singer at Eagle Valley High School who was described as "fun-loving, outgoing and emotional" by friends.

A couple that lives next door to the woman expressed shock that the alleged victim is the woman they know.

"My husband was just saying this morning that he was a disbeliever of the legal action against Kobe -- he thinks Kobe is a stand-up guy," the wife, who declined to give her name, told the Times. "But my thinking all along has been, 'Why would this woman give a false accusation and open herself up to all this scrutiny unless something happened?' "

Her husband told the newspaper that his position changed upon learning the identity of the alleged victim.

"It's more complicated now," the man said. "My thinking was entirely based on Kobe's clean image. But now, actually knowing this girl and her family a lot more than I know Kobe, I just do not think she would do anything malicious. We're dealing with a young girl here, somebody brought up in the mountains, a trusting person.

"That entire family is well-respected. Usually, you get a good sense of a child by the pride her parents show, and they did with her."

Under Colorado law, sexual assault encompasses a wide range of behavior, whether it be touching a clothed body part or engaging in a sexual act, and what the accusations are is not yet clear.

Also on Thursday, the Times reported that Bryant and the 19-year-old woman each went to a hospital after the alleged attack, but investigators said little about the reasons.

Eagle County Sheriff Joe Hoy told the Vail Daily on Wednesday that the woman underwent tests, but he declined to identify the tests or the facility. He said the tests were common practice in sexual assault cases. Sheriff's spokeswoman Kim Andree would not say whether deputies or someone else took the woman to a hospital, or whether she drove herself.

Sheriff's deputies took Bryant to Valley View Hospital in Glenwood Springs, about 40 miles west of the resort, early on July 2. Bryant voluntarily submitted DNA samples to investigators, the Rocky Mountain News reported Thursday. Sheriff's detective Doug Winters said Wednesday that Bryant was allowed to leave on his own because he had not been charged. Deputies stayed with the Lakers guard while he was at the hospital, to protect the integrity of the evidence, according to the newspaper.

Hurlbert said Tuesday he hoped to have a decision whether to file charges against Bryant by the end of this week.

"I felt confident from the first time I talked to my investigators," Hoy said Tuesday. "I felt we did the right thing."

Terry O'Brien, a 38-year-old Vail Taxi dispatcher and driver, told the Orange County Register Tuesday that he picked up the star from the emergency room at Valley View Hospital. According to the newspaper, Bryant was with three members of his entourage and flanked by Eagle County sheriff's officers.

Bryant pulled a towel over his head before diving into the back seat of the cab, O'Brien told the newspaper.

O'Brien was not at work early Wednesday and a telephone listing in his name was disconnected.

Police spokesperson Kim Andree refused to confirm the story, but did say the department uses hospitals in Glenwood Springs and Vail for tests in sexual assault investigations.

O'Brien said he transported Bryant and three men to the Hotel Colorado in Glenwood Springs, then drove one of the men back to the Lodge and Spa at Cordillera, where the man "cleared out" Bryant's belongings. O'Brien said he was paid $372 by Bryant bodyguard Michael Ortiz for the 2½-hour job. The Register did not specify how O'Brien knew Ortiz's identity.

"The whole thing was pretty weird and pretty fishy," O'Brien told the Register. "Bryant was laying in the back seat with a towel over his head, trying not to be seen, while three men were taking care of all the details."

Authorities have said they are treating Bryant like any other suspect, though Eagle County sheriff's investigators didn't reveal his arrest until two days after he was released on bail.

Earlier this week, Sheriff Joe Hoy said investigators learned of the assault allegation on July 1 and spent nearly 30 hours on the case before contacting Bryant. Andree has said investigators told Bryant about the arrest warrant last Thursday, and he returned to Colorado the next day to turn himself in and post $25,000 bail.

The arrest wasn't announced until Sunday.

On Tuesday, Hoy said the alleged victim would return home from a family vacation to "mind-boggling" media attention.

Hoy said he was concerned about the pressure on the woman and frustrated that there was more attention on Bryant than on her.

"To me, the sad part is, if this hadn't been who it involved, this wouldn't even be a blip on anyone's radar screen," he said. "Personally, I think they're focusing on our suspect rather than on the victim."

Prosecutors Monday said they needed more time before deciding whether to bring charges against Bryant, 24.

"Sexual assault cases are extremely complex and sometimes it takes awhile to get through everything," Hurlbert said Monday.

He refused to discuss details of the allegations against Bryant, a five-time NBA All-Star. Hurlbert said the alleged victim was "doing OK, considering the circumstances."



Bryant's lawyer said Monday that Bryant "expects to be completely exonerated" and accused the sheriff's office of rushing the case.

Bryant turned himself in to authorities Friday, the sheriff's office said. The married father of a baby girl was released that day after posting $25,000 bond.

Chiwas
07-10-2003, 03:52 PM
Yes....and he didn't tell the Lakers.WHAT?

Drbio
07-10-2003, 03:54 PM
Originally posted by: Chiwas

Yes....and he didn't tell the Lakers.WHAT?

It was reported that the Lakers did not know that Kobe was having knee surgery.

Mandyahl
07-10-2003, 03:55 PM
the news is that kobe went to have arthroscopic surgery on his knee, and apparently the lakers management had no idea.

even if he is cleared of all charges, that is still something to think about.

dallas_esq
07-10-2003, 03:57 PM
Security was called to the hotel room they were in because of "noise." The witness is reportedly very credible...

Drbio
07-10-2003, 04:11 PM
as details leak out, it doesn't sound too good for kobe. The hospital-sex assault test link can't be good news.

MavsFanFinley
07-10-2003, 07:11 PM
I'm still pretty surprised by this. Anyone and everyone is capable of messing up and making bad judgments or just acting plain stupid, but I can't believe Kobe would be one of these guys to get in a situation like this.

I feel sorry for the victim cause it's looking more and more likely that she is telling the truth. And some were quick to label her after money with no story cause of Kobe's reputation.

It certainly is not looking good for him and I look forward to reading/hearing more about this in the next couple days.

Chiwas
07-10-2003, 08:06 PM
Originally posted by: Drbio

Originally posted by: Chiwas

Yes....and he didn't tell the Lakers.WHAT?

It was reported that the Lakers did not know that Kobe was having knee surgery.That's what I read. It's unbelievable. How could it be that his team didn't know it? It has to be forbidden somehow, in the contract or in the NBA's regulation.

Shoudn't Kobe have two cases against him this way?

Imagine for instance, Dirk getting a surgery in Germany without noticing, or having a permit, to (from) the Mavs? It'd be crazy.

Mandyahl
07-10-2003, 08:22 PM
i agree, chiwas. when this whole thing blows over (assuming kobe is innocent, which looks like a big assumption at this point), the lakers need to look into why kobe was having a surgery done without their knowledge. that seems very weird to me.

FishForLunch
07-10-2003, 09:02 PM
I know i am going to flamed. When this whole kobe thing broke nearly everyone on this board were on kobe's side. Since malone and payton have commited to the lakers the support for kobe has dropped including myself. Just my observations

superheadcat
07-10-2003, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by: FishForLunch
I know i am going to flamed. When this whole kobe thing broke nearly everyone on this board were on kobe's side. Since malone and payton have commited to the lakers the support for kobe has dropped including myself. Just my observations

just a coincidence. the support dropped because the more info we know, the less rosy picture it paints about kobe.

sturm und drang
07-10-2003, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by: FishForLunch
I know i am going to flamed. When this whole kobe thing broke nearly everyone on this board were on kobe's side. Since malone and payton have commited to the lakers the support for kobe has dropped including myself. Just my observations

Do you think that maybe it has something to do with the fact that the case, while certainly still murky, has been bolstered by a few scraps of suspicious evidence since then? At first, it was nothing but an accusation. Later news of his trip to the hospital that night, for example, seems to have forced people to consider that this might be a legitimate case.

I think your assumption that this has anything whatsoever to do with the Lakers' FA signings is preposterous. The Laker hatred here is well-documented, zealous and undying. Laker hatred is a religion, one that most of us practice enthusiastically and unapologetically. I don't think the fact that they're going to be a better team next year would influence our opinion of Kobe's guilt or innocence whatsoever.

Murphy3
07-10-2003, 11:04 PM
i'll be honest...i didn't give the story alot of credibility initially even with my extreme dislike for kobe..
however, i decided to keep an open mind and let the facts come as they may.

needless to say, it doesn't look good for kobe IMO

Drbio
07-11-2003, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by: FishForLunch
I know i am going to flamed. When this whole kobe thing broke nearly everyone on this board were on kobe's side. Since malone and payton have commited to the lakers the support for kobe has dropped including myself. Just my observations

I think if you look back, most of us left the issue to an open mind and tried to walk the middle road. Lakermania bashed me earlier for being anti-kobe. I am anti-kobe because of his on-the-court crybaby theatrics, but I tried to be fair. Your assertion here is absurd. The facts of the case will stand on their own merits and the people here will respond accordingly. If he is guilty, I hope he is sentenced fairly. If he is not found to be guilty then I hope it blows over quickly and we can all go back to laker-hating for all the right reasons.

MavsFanFinley
07-11-2003, 10:24 PM
Kobe's mug shot was released today.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030711/capt.1057963725.bryant_arrested_wxs200.jpg

dallas_esq
07-12-2003, 05:26 AM
I don't think anyone "hopes" kobe did this. No matter what your reason for hating him, you don't hate this girl more. I mean, we would all rather her be lying than be telling the truth. Then we could go on hating both of them. How nice that would be.

The facts will indeed stand on their own merits. I don't think he will be judged by a jury of "Laker-haters."

Chiwas
07-12-2003, 12:15 PM
I don't think anyone "hopes" kobe did this.Just for the girl, I don't hope Kobe has done this. Even if she is lying, it's better for her not to have been sexually assaulted actually. By anybody.

If it's true, I don't care or have any interest about Kobe.

But I do about the NBA. These cases hurt the game.

A question: First, suppose it was true. Now suppose that Kobe would have finished College. Would he have done it?

Mandyahl
07-12-2003, 05:15 PM
i don't think kobe having gone to college or not would have changed that. it's not like they have classes called not raping people 101. it's more of a character thing than anything else.

i still think there is a very good chance that kobe is innocent, even though it is beginning to look worse for him.

MavKikiNYC
07-12-2003, 05:20 PM
July 11, 2003


Friends: Emotional upheavals strengthen woman

Randy Wyrick

A series of emotional upheavals led to a doctor's care this spring for the woman accusing Los Angeles Lakers guard Kobe Bryant of sexual assault.

According to friends and authorities, the death of her best friend, coupled with a relationship that ended, led the woman to seek medical help to deal with her situation.

"She knew she needed help and she got it. Anyone who tries to make it into something more than that is a liar," said one friend, responding to rumors of suicide attempts.

One of the woman's best friends, Nicole Clements, was killed in a traffic accident in Wolcott after Clements left this spring's Red Canyon High School graduation ceremonies at 4Eagle Ranch. The woman, who friends say is a talented singer and musician, managed to find the strength to sing at Clements' funeral.

"I couldn't believe she could do it at all," said a friend and classmate, "let alone sing so beautifully."

District Attorney Mark Hurlbert huddled with the victim and the family Friday morning. He had no comment on the development.

"We're still evaluating everything and searching through the evidence," said Hurlbert.

Eagle County Sheriff Joe Hoy had no comment. The sheriff has said the media attention given to the case has been "mind-boggling."

Colorado Bureau of Investigation Deputy Director Pete Mang said the agency is examining evidence such as exchange of hairs and fibers, and the exchange of body fluids such as blood, semen and saliva. Mang declined to say how long the analysis could take.

On Thursday, Hurlbert postponed a decision until next week on whether to formally file charges against Bryant. He said he is still waiting for all the evidence, including DNA, to be returned.

While the waiting is frustrating for the local and national media gathered to cover the story, as well as the simply curious, it's just another turn on the emotional roller coaster the woman is riding, friends said.

Another of the woman's friends said the woman has emerged stronger from her series of emotional traumas.

"She seems to be getting stronger all the time. But I'm not sure how she'll cope with this assault and everything that goes with it," said a long-time family friend. "This is something she just didn't need."

Friends continue to insist that they believe the woman's story, and that she has no reason to lie. On the other side, Bryant's fans continue to support the five-time NBA All Star and married father of one daughter who success as one of the leading ad pitchmen in the country is buoyed by a squeaky clean public image.

The 19-year-old woman's accusations against Bryant stem from an alleged June 30 incident at The Lodge and Spa at Cordillera in Edwards. According to witnesses and published reports, the woman was working the front desk when a request reportedly came down from Bryant's room. The woman went to the room and stayed either 20 to 30 minutes, or two hours - witness accounts differ. When she returned to the hotel lobby, she was reportedly in hysterics.

Bryant was in the area for surgery to his right knee at the Steadman Hawkins Clinic.

Authorities have refused to release dispatch response records to the woman's address. When the Vail Daily asked the Eagle Police Department for response records to the address, they were refused by acting Eagle Police Chief Sgt. Gary Ward, and later town attorney Ed Sands.



Bryant's booking mug shot released

In the first release of documents surrounding the arrest of Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant, officials made a mugshot available Friday on the Internet.

Media organizations, through Colorado Press Association attorney Tom Kelley, had challenged Hoy's effort to keep the mugshot from public viewing. Hoy said he made the photo available on the advice of attorneys.

The low-resolution picture on the sheriff's Web site shows the 24-year-old looking directly into the camera. He is wearing what appears to be a white shirt or a warmup jacket with black stripes on the shoulders.

The case file was ordered sealed by Clear Creek County Judge Russell Granger, who approved Hoy's request to issue a warrant for Bryant's arrest on felony sexual assault charges July 4.


Link (http://www.vaildaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030711/NEWS/307110101)

LakerMania
07-12-2003, 07:08 PM
Originally posted by: Drbio
I think if you look back, most of us left the issue to an open mind and tried to walk the middle road. Lakermania bashed me earlier for being anti-kobe. I am anti-kobe because of his on-the-court crybaby theatrics, but I tried to be fair. Your assertion here is absurd.

I didn't bash you for being anti-Kobe Doc, I didn't really bash you at all. I merely mentioned your statement, which was done in a factual tone about Kobe having to marry his wife because she was pregnant at 17. That was pure mud slinging, which if you stop to think is clearly bogus.

MFFL
07-13-2003, 10:08 AM
Do you really know Kobe?
07/13/2003
Kevin Blackistone

I know Kobe Bryant.

He is No. 8 on the Lakers. The one with the sweet jump shot, wings for arms and rocket boosters for legs. The one who smiles easily and speaks Italian if you ask him. The one twentysomething NBA star with skin still free of ink.

That's the Kobe Bryant we all know. The one who shows up on our television screens from time to time between late October and mid-June in shorts and sneakers. The one who hawks a soft drink. The one who says he doesn't sip alcohol or carouse late into the night.

The one who told a TV interviewer not long ago that no one really knows him. The one from the oh-so-close-knit family who we found out recently had been splintered because Bryant's parents objected to his getting engaged to his wife when she was an 18-year-old high schooler and because she wasn't black, too. Bryant's parents were so put out with their son that they refused to attend his wedding.

But we're certain that we know Kobe Bryant. Just like we were certain that we knew sportscaster Marv Albert. And baseball player Kirby Puckett. And former Dallas Cowboys jokester Nate Newton. And baseball god Mickey Mantle. And President Bill Clinton. And football great O.J. Simpson. And god-fearing boxer Evander Holyfield. And former Arkansas/Oklahoma State basketball player Glendon Alexander. And...

The Kobe Bryant we know hasn't been convicted of any crime. He hasn't even been charged with any wrongdoing. The married father of a newborn hasn't even been proven to be in violation of any morals, like having an extra-marital affair.

He is being investigated on charges of sexual assault leveled by a 19-year-old employee of a lodge in Colorado that he was visiting. The district attorney overseeing the matter said he would make a decision on what to do with the allegations against Bryant sometime this week.

No matter what he decides, though, the Bryant story ought to remind us again that we shouldn't judge athletes, or other celebrities, like we do books – by their covers. To do so is to set ourselves up for great disappointment.

It is nice to want to think of superstar athletes like we would absolutely no one else. It is easy to do. We see them visiting children's hospitals during Christmas and dishing up vittles to the hungry and homeless at Thanksgiving.

We glance up in the rafters and see sections of seats they've set aside for kids who stay out of trouble and do well in school. We read that they've donated money to some charity or back to their schools.

Then we forget the message from the Sprite commercial that stars the Kobe Bryant we know: "Image is everything."

It is understandable that we want to think of superstar athletes so differently. It is our never-ending search for heroes, for supermen and superwomen. Where better to find them other than in the modern-day coliseum?

It would be nice if they could be found readily in every home, but the truth is they aren't. It would be great if they could be found easily in every classroom, but the truth is they aren't. It would be fantastic if they could be found standing behind every altar, but the hard-to-believe truth is they aren't.

So we shouldn't think they could be found simply on every basketball court, football field or ice rink, either.

I, too, thought Kobe Bryant was what we call in the media "a good guy." Until further notice, I still think he is. Same with Cowboys defensive back Darren Woodson. And just-retired Spurs center David Robinson. And the highest-paid baseball player, the Rangers' Alex Rodriguez. And new Stars captain Mike Modano. And the Mavericks' trio of stars, Michael Finley, Steve Nash and Dirk Nowitzki.

What, however, does that mean in the vernacular of media reporting? It means they're almost always cordial. It means they're generally accommodating. It means they share at least one of their cell phone numbers. It means they may have bought a round at a watering hole in town.

It doesn't mean I know whether they beat their significant others or kick their dogs or run red lights routinely.

It doesn't mean you should place them on a pedestal for being anything more, necessarily, than among the best pro athletes there are.

It doesn't mean we know them.

MavKikiNYC
07-13-2003, 11:53 AM
A denial. Nothing categorical or terribly convincing, but a denial.

It will be interesting to know what he is charged with, EXACTLY what is being alleged to have happened, without speculation or spin, if/when he is charged.

In any case, without some radically different facts emerging, in the eyes of the public, at the very least, he is already pretty much guilty of exercising extraordinarily poor judgement in allowing himself to be in a situation that he should never ever have come close to.

Kobe Bryant Tells Paper He's Innocent

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Speaking publicly for the first time since he was accused of sexual assault, Kobe Bryant denied the allegations and said he "would never do something like that."

"When everything comes clean, it will all be fine, you'll see," Bryant, 24, told the Los Angeles Times in a story published Sunday.

The five-time NBA All-Star would not discuss details of the case, the newspaper said.

"I shouldn't have to say anything. You know I would never do something like that," the Los Angeles Lakers star said in the brief telephone interview.

Bryant is accused of sexually assaulting a 19-year-old woman at the Lodge & Spa at Cordillera in Edwards, Colo., on June 30. All records in the case have been sealed.

Bryant, who was in Colorado for knee surgery at a Vail clinic, surrendered to authorities on July 4 and was released after posting a $25,000 bond. Prosecutors have said they expect to decide this week whether to file charges against Bryant.

Bryant's attorneys have previously said he is innocent and expects to be exonerated.

Embellished quote from Kobe: "Exonnerate me already, willya? My limo's waiting."

Chiwas
07-13-2003, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by: Mandyahl
i don't think kobe having gone to college or not would have changed that. it's not like they have classes called not raping people 101. it's more of a character thing than anything else.

i still think there is a very good chance that kobe is innocent, even though it is beginning to look worse for him.Tell me after going to college. College it's not just about teaching you accountant or biology. It's about guiding you towards a new level of intelectual maturity who will help you to stablish higher quality relashionships through or with your background but also in your family and society. College impacts and influences you for the rest of your life.

We have discussed here if it's better for the NBA players to play just after finishing high school or if it's better for them, and the game, to finish college.

In my oppinion, college would diminish the odds for a NBA player to commit felonies. It doesn't prevent them to do them, course, and besides, there are a lot more factors around their lives that can influence and form them.

Are you going to attend college soon? Don't see it just like classes. You'll miss the best part and I'm not refering to parties (which, in turn, are great).

My point is, I'd prefer them to finish college. Also, there are the hoops part. They would learn more fundamentals, which also has been discussed here.

But back on Kobe. According to the news, she is 19 years old. For me it's almost same age than 17. A woman can't turn suddenly into a mature one in just one day, or in just one year (neither men). And according to the witnesses, she stayed 20 minutes to 2 hours with Kobe. This is getting worse for Kobe. DNA will tell...and her age.

Hope Kobe is innocent, for the sake of the game, but if he's not, hope that justice prevails for the little girl.

Mandyahl
07-13-2003, 10:52 PM
ok, chiwas, i will tell you after going to college. just remind me in four years. i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

anyways, isn't it kind of weird that bryant is just now making a statement? well, not really a true statement, but he has stayed quiet all this time, so why talk to the media now?

WayOutWest
07-14-2003, 08:38 PM
Chiwas:

Dr J
Jordan
Jason Williams
Charles Barkley
Charles Oakley
Latrell Spreewel
Allen Iverson
Ron Artest
Webber
Tarpley
Kemp
Wallace
Woolridge
Patterson

Not to mention the dozens of NBA journeymen who didn't stick because of drug abuse.

Blanket statements about going to college improving your character is BS.

Just211
07-14-2003, 10:04 PM
kemp didn't do to college. he inrolled in JC, but never really went. Also how many of those guys graduated college?
I really don't think college plays that important of a role, but to guys who will be rolling in $, and having women thrown at them, a little extra maturity never hurts.

Drbio
07-14-2003, 10:14 PM
MFFL - I usually can't read a whole Blackistone article without wanting to puke, but I thought that article was outstanding.

one long blue sock
07-14-2003, 10:14 PM
Originally posted by: Mandyahl
i don't think kobe having gone to college or not would have changed that. it's not like they have classes called not raping people 101. it's more of a character thing than anything else.

i still think there is a very good chance that kobe is innocent, even though it is beginning to look worse for him.

Kobe went to summer college, and i think has already, or is about to graduate.

But with the whole, its not in his character thing, we don't know crap about Kobe.

but i do hope very much that he is innocent.

Chicago JK
07-15-2003, 11:38 AM
July 14, 2003
"Abundance" of evidence exists, source insists
Randy Wyrick
Vail Daily

Los Angeles Lakers guard Kobe Bryant was in the Lodge & Spa at Cordillera less than an hour when he allegedly sexually assaulted a 19-year-old hotel worker, a source close to the case said Monday.

There was no disturbance reported by other guests, security was not called, and the young woman was not in "hysterics" as widely reported, though she was visibly upset, this source said. The source said the woman knows she's in for a rough ride if charges are filed, but has the character to handle the hardships to come.

And while District Attorney Mark Hurlbert said Monday that the physical evidence and its analysis had not yet returned from the Colorado Bureau of Investigation, the source said "an abundance" of physical evidence exists - although they declined to elaborate. Hurlbert has declined to comment on any part of the investigation.

Bryant and his attorneys have repeatedly claimed his innocence and said an "unbiased" investigation would exonerate him.

The timetable

Bryant and three bodyguards checked into the Lodge & Spa at Cordillera between 10:10 and 10:40 p.m. June 30, the source said. That fits with employees at the Lodge at Vail, who said Bryant's group stopped at their hotel in Vail Village between 9 and 9:30 that night.

The source said the shift of Lodge at Cordillera workers on duty at that time clocked out at 11:10 p.m. They also said the alleged victim was home by 11:50 p.m. June 30.

According to witness accounts and published reports, Bryant or one of his bodyguards summoned the woman to the room. Accounts vary widely, and wildly, as to why.

About 20 minutes later the woman returned to the lobby from the room, visibly upset - not two hours later, as some reports have indicated, this source insisted.

"The woman was not hysterical, but she was in shock and disbelief that this could have happened to her," the source said. "She eventually fell into something of a stupor as the reality of the situation set in."

There was no word on when authorities were notified, or when the alleged victim was tested for sexual assault evidence. Bryant was tested the next night, after knee surgery that day, at Valley View Hospital in Glenwood Springs.

"Every test that could be done was worth it," the source said, again declining to elaborate.

The source also said that reports of disturbances by Bryant and his entourage are false. No guests on that floor complained, because there were no other guests on that floor that night, they said. Security was not called, they said.

Bryant was scheduled to have knee surgery July 1 at Vail's Steadman Hawkins Clinic. The source said that although the appointment was "not early," but Bryant was still late for it. The exact time of his appointment was not available, and Steadman Hawkins declined to provide it.

Eagle County Sheriff Joe Hoy issued a warrant for Bryant's arrest for felony sexual assault on Friday, July 4. Bryant, who had returned to California, flew back to Eagle County that day, turned himself in at the Eagle County jail and posted $25,000 bond. He was gone in less than hour.

Hurlbert is still determining what charges, if any, to file against Bryant. His decision is expected this week.

WayOutWest
07-15-2003, 02:33 PM
The mud slinging campain has begun.

After all the "Kobe's not that kind of guy" talk the response was "The girl is clean cut from a good family".

No the response has been to bring the girls character into question.

I've read and seen interviews on TV with here friends and neighboors stating things like she's a celebrity chaser, she said she was going to be famous no matter what, she's aggressive towards celebrity's and that she's the type of person to brag about meeting and talking with celebrities. It's a bunch of heresay by supposed friends and some neighboors but it's all over the news.

Sherrif bashing is due to resurface very soon.

Drbio
07-15-2003, 04:18 PM
WOW- it's a shame that the mudslinging has to be a part of this. This case should be weighed on the facts and evidence only. And nothing else.

MavKikiNYC
07-15-2003, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by: Drbio
WOW- it's a shame that the mudslinging has to be a part of this. This case should be weighed on the facts and evidence only. And nothing else.

Part and parcel of the adversarial system of jurisprudence is attacking the other side's credibility and motivation. It was inevitable.

As much disappointment as I've felt that Bryant would be involved at any degree of proximity to something like this, some of the 'facts' that have come out in relation to this case are beginning to cloud slightly.

The initial allegations against him are at least as damaging to his repuation as the rebuttal line put out by his attorneys/publicists is to the alleged victim.

If there is sufficient evidence to warrant a criminal prosecution, you can bet that there'll be a civil case to follow, or at least a settlement.

It's the American way.

Smiles
07-16-2003, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by: Drbio
WOW- it's a shame that the mudslinging has to be a part of this. This case should be weighed on the facts and evidence only. And nothing else.
I agree that a defendant should be tried on the merits of the case, but consider how frequently a case is dismissed (or somesuch) because his/her rights were violated along the way... Suddenly one fact supercedes the others...

I'm so ready for some real information. All this speculation and these worthlessly vague statments are about to drive me crazy! i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

Murphy3
08-31-2006, 10:37 AM
Just curious as to what yahoo slurp spider was reading.

u2sarajevo
08-31-2006, 10:47 AM
"Yahoo! Slurp Spider" means a Yahoo web crawler is indexing the site for searches.

Flacolaco
08-31-2006, 10:56 AM
Why did you have to and get my hopes up when i saw "BREAKING NEWS: Kobe arrested..." ???

dang I thought it was going to be an awesome day.....

fluid.forty.one
08-31-2006, 11:23 AM
Why did you have to and get my hopes up when i saw "BREAKING NEWS: Kobe arrested..." ???

dang I thought it was going to be an awesome day.....

lol I thought the exact same thing

capitalcity
08-31-2006, 11:44 AM
Sigh.

u2sarajevo
08-31-2006, 12:05 PM
He's gotta be innocent.... he has money. Popular rich people don't get convicted of crimes.

Flacolaco
08-31-2006, 12:10 PM
We need a Mavericks game to talk about in the worst way.....

Big Boy Laroux
08-31-2006, 12:12 PM
Why did you have to and get my hopes up when i saw "BREAKING NEWS: Kobe arrested..." ???

dang I thought it was going to be an awesome day.....


ha ha, me too. i was like, "Again?!?!?"

Male30Dan
08-31-2006, 12:52 PM
Throw me in with the rest... I saw that and thought dude did it again.

Dirkgreatness
08-31-2006, 12:53 PM
ahhhh, i thought....... nvm!

nashtymavsfan13
08-31-2006, 04:45 PM
Why did you have to and get my hopes up when i saw "BREAKING NEWS: Kobe arrested..." ???

dang I thought it was going to be an awesome day.....

Haha me too, I was like, again?!

u2sarajevo
08-31-2006, 05:00 PM
When I saw it.... unlike everyone else I just thought.... "Someone is bumping up old threads".

I guess that makes me much cooler than the rest of you.

Big Boy Laroux
08-31-2006, 05:01 PM
yeah, if i had saw the "for felony sexual assault in colorado" part, i'd have thought that, too. but on the main page, when you look at the most recent topic, it just says "BREAKING NEWS: Kobe arrested..."

u2sarajevo
08-31-2006, 05:11 PM
Right..... that's how I am cooler.... because I knew instantly that it was a bumped thread. So for now and in perpetuity I will be cooler than the rest of the members of this board.

Sorry to the rest of you hoping to unseat me.... but that won't be happening.

Buh-bye....

Tokey41
08-31-2006, 05:46 PM
Why in the hell would you bring this back in the first place? Friggin Kobe, had me worried there... but at least we ALL know hes innocent now... right?

u2sarajevo
08-31-2006, 08:13 PM
Why in the hell would you bring this back in the first place? Friggin Kobe, had me worried there... but at least we ALL know hes innocent now... right?Yep... he's innocent..... OJ's innocent..... Andrea Yates found not guilty by reason of insanity....

It's all good with our Judicial system.

As I said before.... Popularity + Money = CRIME FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

edit: Yes, I realize that the popularity/money thing doesn't apply to Andrea Yates... but she at least has to submit to court ordered psychological care so it's not really the same thing. I mentioned her just because she's another example of our judicial system doing a fantastic job.

mqywaaah
09-01-2006, 05:27 AM
Dang! I was like "Again?" Aww