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Evilmav2
10-22-2003, 06:57 PM
Raef is actually looking pretty darned good. He is rebounding, he has blocked two shot, taken two charges, he just hit a three, and these Boston commentators are already optimistically and strangely comparing him to Kevin McHale...

I am glad to see him play well, but in his first game he already seems to be bringing these Celts a bit more hustle and effort than we ever got to see from him. Again, he is drawing charges, rebounding like a fool, and diving to the floor for loose balls, which makes me wonder why we didn't see more of this hustle effort over the last few years...

Anyway, as a side note, I will have to say that these new look Timberwolves look pretty sucky in their formative days. Spree, Cassell, and Wally are still defering to KG on every offensive possession, and they just aren't scoring the ball. Of course Kandi man is awol, but I can't imagine that would make a great difference to the pups in this game. Of course, Sam-I-Am and Sprewell will probably be a bit more assertive later in the season, but until they do, I don't see this team being much better than any of the TWolves squads of the last couple of years...

dirno2000
10-22-2003, 07:06 PM
Again, he is drawing charges, rebounding like a fool, and diving to the floor for loose balls, which makes me wonder why we didn't see more of this hustle effort over the last few years...

Raef's a tease. Just remember how hard he played in his first game for us. If he brings it every night they'll love him. I'll believe that when I see it.

Evilmav2
10-22-2003, 07:28 PM
This is a darned good game. It has been fun watching the new powerhouse Timberwolves slowly plod their way to shooting 25% in the first half against the new Raef-anchored, defensive juggernaught that is the Boston Celtics...

The Celtics look like they are going to be better than I would have thought (El Busto, Pierce, Kedrick, and Vin all seem to be enjoying having more shot attempts), and these Timberwolves look absolutely decrepid. Even with Cassell and Spree playing major minutes, they are still walking the ball up the court and attempting to grind out their half-court game. The Timberwolves may look better eventually, but if they play this way through part of the beginnning of the season, they are going to be disapointing a lot of fools who were predicting that this team had become the third best in the NBA...

ames7
10-22-2003, 07:32 PM
I suspect Raef really will flourish in the East as all the critics seem to suggest, but I won't believe it until I see it w/my own eyes. He wasn't going anywhere here, but I wish him to best of luck out East.

Evilmav2
10-22-2003, 07:37 PM
Wow, halfway through the third quarter, Paul Pierce has 9 pts, 7 rbs, and 9 assists, and the real-rotation Celts are up 58 to 32 on the real-rotation TWolves... And I think at least three of his assists went to Raef. Pierce's game is just so versatile...

Murphy3
10-22-2003, 07:38 PM
evilmav, what channel is it on? or is it on league pass?

You know, i wish nothing but the best for Raef. A huge part of me still wishes that he was a Mav

Evilmav2
10-22-2003, 07:54 PM
League Pass, channel 721 on DirectTV.

Hahaha.. now the commentators are complaining about the refs calling bad fouls on LaFrentz... Get used to it guys...

Nash13
10-22-2003, 08:02 PM
Evilmav, you suck. lol

Time Warner totally sucks. My league pass won't activate until the day after the season starts.

Murphy3
10-22-2003, 08:02 PM
it's disappointing that officials can play such a big role in determining how effective a player can be.

many times, they just simply decide to take bradley and/or raef out of the game. why? i have no idea.

Evilmav2
10-22-2003, 08:29 PM
Well, Raef started strong and slowed down late... 9 pts, 5 rbs, 3 blks, on 3-5 shooting, and he made a lot of hustle plays for shot-intimidations and deflections...

LRB
10-22-2003, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by: Evilmav2
Well, Raef started strong and slowed down late... 9 pts, 5 rbs, 3 blks, on 3-5 shooting, and he made a lot of hustle plays for shot-intimidations and deflections...

Sounds like a recap of Raef's time here in Dallas.

Dooby
10-23-2003, 08:55 AM
Get used to the fact that Raef will put up decent numbers in Boston. He's gone from option 4 or 5 to option 2 or 3. He's goona get more looks and more minutes. Just accept the fact that there will be Raef is an allstar talk. Doesn't mean Dallas didn't get the better end of the deal.

LocalLoop
10-23-2003, 10:44 AM
Timberwolves rube checking in (and no, I'm not interested in Trolling - you guys have a good forum going here) - I'll have to say that the game last night didn't exactly instill confidence in the new-look squad. Time will tell if I regret renewing my season tickets.

Mavericks have a lot to be excited about this year - and that's coming from a guy who's least favorite player in the NBA is Antoine Walker (now that Danny Ferry has retired). Good luck, and I look forward to seeing your squad in town at least twice this season.

Big Boy Laroux
10-23-2003, 12:33 PM
man, what a SWEET dunk by spree on the break!

oh wait, no it wasn't. i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

Mavs Rule
10-23-2003, 01:51 PM
Nice article about Raef and last night's game:


He's positioned to succeed
LaFrentz is ready to go playing forward or center
By Shira Springer, Globe Staff, 10/23/2003

With a little less fanfare, and wearing a Celtics practice jersey, Raef LaFrentz was officially introduced as the team's newest member yesterday morning. Fresh from an hourlong shootaround, LaFrentz fielded questions for five minutes in the Hall of Fame room at the team's practice facility. With regard to the right knee that briefly gave the Celtics pause, LaFrentz said it was "dinged up" as a result of the rigors of training camp.

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After finishing his physical too late to practice Tuesday, the power forward/center showed up two hours before the start of yesterday morning's workout for a cram course in the Celtics' system. Last night, he made his Boston debut at the FleetCenter against Minnesota, playing 19 minutes and finishing with 9 points and 5 rebounds in the Celtics' 96-80 victory.

"It feels pretty positive," said LaFrentz, despite the fact that he entered last night's contest knowing only one offensive set. "Initially, it feels like they're going to give me opportunities to do what I do best. Anytime you're in a system like that it's a good thing."

The standard scouting report on LaFrentz describes the 6-foot-11-inch, 237-pound player as a big man who can shoot the perimeter jumper and stretch opposing defenses. In the first half, he made his only 3-point attempt. He can block shots and pass out of the high post. While some have criticized LaFrentz as "soft," he views himself as a "finesse" player. Last night, LaFrentz showed good hands and a willingness to dive after loose balls. He looked surprisingly comfortable for a player in town for only two days.

LaFrentz displayed good passing skills against Minnesota, finding Eric Williams cutting through the lane on a few occasions. The one assist LaFrentz tallied was misleading. And he should have been credited with a block when he aggressively challenged a shot by Gary Trent with 1 minutes 12 seconds remaining in the third. Instead, Trent went to the line much to the vocal dismay of coach Jim O'Brien. Overall, O'Brien credited LaFrentz with playing a "composed game" and added "it would be hard to believe that he just was here for one day and didn't start practicing until [yesterday] morning." It was clear LaFrentz paid careful attention during his morning tutorial.

Following the game, LaFrentz felt he performed well in the first half then became a little confused on different offensive plays in the second half. On the defensive end, he was most impressed with the Celtics' overall effort. LaFrentz was pleasantly surprised by the "intensity and focus" of the Boston defense, certainly something he had not experienced in Dallas.

When asked if he considered himself more of a center or power forward, LaFrentz said, "That's the most asked question of me since I've been a pro. I've been a `5' pretty much my whole career, though an undersized 5 at that. But I spend the majority of the time on the perimeter, so I can pull some of those big centers away from the basket. I think I can play either spot, either 4 or 5. In some systems, it's easier to do that than others." Still, it has been a long time since LaFrentz has truly played in the post. He had to go all the way back to his years with the Nuggets (1998-February 2002) to remember post plays being called for him.

"For the most part, I've played 5, but there's no point in me trying to get deep post position on some of the bigger centers. I pull them out to 15 feet and explore my game that way. And it's been effective for me. But [post play] will be something I'll get back to and something I look forward to getting back to and working on. I didn't do that in Dallas. It's just not how I was used. I'm very excited with some of the schemes and some of the ideas that coach [Jim] O'Brien has involving myself. I just look forward to getting started.

"I'm very aware of the expectations. This is the franchise with the most tradition in the NBA. Growing up I was a Celtics fan, my whole family was Celtics fans. I'm just excited and eager to wear the green."

O'Brien sounded even more eager. He was irritated when the Celtics' two new acquisitions did not arrive in time for Tuesday's practice. So, yesterday, he planned a busy morning for the pair. And this time around, the two players made the most of an extended workout.

LaFrentz and fellow newcomer Jiri Welsch spent 3 1/2 hours becoming familiar with what the Celtics are trying to accomplish. The players met with O'Brien for an hour, then they went on the court and learned some of the Celtics' offensive and defensive principles. Lastly, LaFrentz and Welsch went through a full-squad practice for about an hour and a half. O'Brien called it a productive morning, though he still didn't know what to expect from LaFrentz prior to the game.

"We have a very limited number of plays in for Raef, just at the 4 spot, not that the 4 or the 5 is that much different in what we do," said O'Brien. "We tried to give him the very, very basics of our defense. And I think he'll pick that up pretty well. We could have a good defensive team this year, even better with Raef in the lineup because of his size and what I've observed in my studying of him.

"It's really too early [to consider starting lineup combinations]. I'm just trying to really get a feel at our point guard spot, at our center spot still. There's a lot of things in flux at this point in time. Certainly, I would anticipate fairly quickly that Raef would be in the starting lineup. I think he has that type of talent. No matter how soon we have to start the season, he needs to be out there and he needs to be out there at key times." The biggest question for LaFrentz remains how quickly he can learn the Celtics system. Everyone involved in the trade admits the timing was awkward. While eager for the regular season to begin, director of basketball operations Danny Ainge now wishes training camp lasted an extra week or so. But six days remain until opening night when Boston faces Miami at the FleetCenter. For the Celtics and LaFrentz, that means five more practices, one more shootaround, and one more game to get the reconfigured Celtics together.

"Veteran players usually pick up things pretty quick," said Ainge. "I don't think it will be too much of an adjustment for Raef. There will be some adjustment time to get him comfortable and loose. But I believe he'll get better and better as time goes on. I believe he'll be able to play by opening night and be a contributor."

Copyright 2003 Globe Newspaper Company.

raefformvp
10-23-2003, 03:07 PM
This is a quote from espn.com regarding LaFrentz and the game last night:

LaFrentz, second in the NBA in blocked shots in 2001-2002, brought the crowd and his teammates to their feet by rejecting a putback from Trent late in the third quarter.

That is what I am going to miss with Raef! I loved watching him block shots. I already miss him!!