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grbh
10-29-2003, 09:32 PM
Game starts same time as the Mavs. I would have liked to have watched some of it. I imagine he will struggle.

Fah Q
10-29-2003, 10:13 PM
Lebron isn't struggling by any means.

He's has 12 points on 6-9 shooting through the 1st quarter. He also 2 Reb, 3 Steals, and 3 Assists

MavsFanatik33
10-29-2003, 10:22 PM
Much to my suprise, Lebron is actually showing his stuff. He's looking confident and ready for the NBA. This has got to be a fluke!

grbh
10-29-2003, 10:44 PM
glad to see it. I like the guy, and wish him well. I just think he will struggle greatly this year. Could be wrong though

Fah Q
10-29-2003, 10:47 PM
Stats at the half

21 min, 12 pts, 6-10 fg, 6 as, 3 rbs, 3 st, 0 TO

Max Power
10-29-2003, 10:52 PM
HATE the commercial where he pauses for 20 seconds though. Tired of it the FIRST time I saw it and I've seen it about a dozen times so far.

Fah Q
10-29-2003, 10:55 PM
Originally posted by: Max Power
HATE the commercial where he pauses for 20 seconds though. Tired of it the FIRST time I saw it and I've seen it about a dozen times so far.

20 seconds my @ss, he pauses for almost a minute. I counted.(before anyone makes fun of me, I know I need too get a life)

MavsFanatik33
10-29-2003, 10:59 PM
Originally posted by: Max Power
HATE the commercial where he pauses for 20 seconds though. Tired of it the FIRST time I saw it and I've seen it about a dozen times so far.

At the beginning of the commercial, if you look at the shot clock it says 17 seconds, and he pauses for longer than that. So it doesn't even make sense.

aexchange
10-30-2003, 12:13 AM
the guy put up a great line tonight.

some of the highlights i saw were completely unbelieveable.

25 pts, 9 dimes, 7 boards.

WOW.

Murphy3
10-30-2003, 12:26 AM
lebron made some flat out amazing plays....
good for him..he seems to be a good kid

Murphy3
10-30-2003, 12:27 AM
oh yeah..the kid had 9 assists with only 2 TO's..plus, he had 4 steals

rakesh.s
10-30-2003, 01:03 AM
i think it's safe to say that this guy is for real

they were ultra competitive against the kings...who don't miss a beat even with webber out, now that they have miller

did someone say 8th seed, if they can get ricky davis to calm down in the clutch?

ReDIRKulous
10-30-2003, 01:15 AM
The Cavs have GOT to get rid of Ricky Davis. That guy is the absolute worst guy to play along side LeBRon, unless used as an example of what NOT to do.

Shaq Attack2
10-30-2003, 01:20 AM
I love this guy, he's truly an amazing player at only 18 years old. He's got the body, mind, and (apparently) the discipline to become a superstar. I think his passing is the best part of his game, it compliments his athleticism and speed very well.

dirno2000
10-30-2003, 01:22 AM
I can't believe he played that well with all the pressure on him. I hope he does well, otherwise they'll tear him down as quick as they're building him up. Just imagine being a high school kid having to face him last year.

Big Boy Laroux
10-30-2003, 10:48 AM
man, that commerical bugs me too! where's the shot-clock violation!

but man, he looked good. his vision is pretty durn good. he does like to go up in the air a lot to make his passes, which is bad fundamentals. but i'll forgive him for it. i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

kingrex
10-30-2003, 10:58 AM
Lebron looks impressive for his first official game. Add to that the fact that it was at Arco, against an upper echelon NBA team and finally the fact that he is only 18.

I have seen the future and the future is Lebron!

reeds
10-30-2003, 12:07 PM
Here is what is amazing. Kobes first game = 0 points. Kwame =2 points. Chandler =1, Garnett =8, McGrady =0....Lebron =25!!! and he sat most of the 2nd quarter....wow. This kid sure doesnt look like a kid on the court- he is UNREAL. And will only get better. I never thought I would see another player as great as Jordan, but now, it might happen.

kingrex
10-30-2003, 12:10 PM
And almost like from a hollywood script, he even wears #23. It couldn't be more perfect even if the WWF scripted it.

ReDIRKulous
10-30-2003, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by: kingrex
And almost like from a hollywood script, he even wears #23. It couldn't be more perfect even if the WWF scripted it.

You know this is killing Kobe. lol LeBRon is living the life that Kobe only dreamed of; the real evolution of Michael Jordan or the NBA mega star, wearing number 23 but this kid has his own identity - Kobe tried to copy MJ too much for my taste. LeBRon also has his own team... he doesn't have to live in anyones shadow and LEBRon will get all the credit for his teams successes. And his teammates love him... and he ALREADY signed a bigger shoe deal than Kobe!

kingrex
10-30-2003, 12:30 PM
Kobe is just as talented as Lebron.

The big difference is how they come off. Lebron, like Jordan, somehow comes across as a hero and Kobe just a big jerk.

ReDIRKulous
10-30-2003, 01:07 PM
I think Kobe is a really really smart basketball player... but I don't think he is anywhere near as athletic as LeBron... and I hoenstly don't think he is anywhere near as talented as LeBron. I see LeBron as a prodigy... like a basketball genius and Kobe as someone that had a lot of basketball knowledge at a young age because of his environment, his dad being an ex player and playing with Euro league players. Kobe seems forced to me... LeBron's game and personality seems natural.

TheKid
10-30-2003, 02:33 PM
The one single difference is Kobe from the VERY BEGINNING was always trying to show everyone how great of an individual player he was. Where as LeBron is just playing and more concerned with trying to make his team better. Kobe had to LEARN this is a team sport aht was nothing that he realized right from the beginning.

Murphy3
10-30-2003, 02:45 PM
Kobe had to LEARN this is a team sport aht was nothing that he realized right from the beginning.

kobe's learned this?

kingrex
10-30-2003, 02:55 PM
Kobe has learned it, but will his ego allow him to be second fiddle to Shaq for much longer?

Murphy3
10-30-2003, 02:59 PM
Perhaps he's learned it, but just doesn't like to put that knowledge to good use.

Shaq Attack2
10-30-2003, 03:01 PM
I honestly believe LeBron can be better than Kobe, though don't tell that to the Kobe homers over at LakersTalk, they worship Kobe like a god.

LeBron is clearly a confident and composed NBA player beyond his years. It'll be exciting to see him and Kobe go at it. Can you imagine seeing battles between a 22 year old LeBron and a 29 year old Kobe?

kingrex
10-30-2003, 03:02 PM
And that difference is what makes Lebron truly great.

Lebron gets it, and Kobe is self-absorbed.

Murphy3
10-30-2003, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by: Shaq Attack2
I honestly believe LeBron can be better than Kobe, though don't tell that to the Kobe homers over at LakersTalk, they worship Kobe like a god.

LeBron is clearly a confident and composed NBA player beyond his years. It'll be exciting to see him and Kobe go at it. Can you imagine seeing battles between a 22 year old LeBron and a 29 year old Kobe?

that will almost be as exciting as watching Dirk vs KG or Dirk vs TD

sike
10-30-2003, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by: Murphy3
Perhaps he's learned it, but just doesn't like to put that knowledge to good use.

forget not jinxing the kid....he was freakin awesome...I could'nt see THE MAVS game(anyone else have this problem?) so I checked him out....yeah their are holes.....but most All Stars have more than this kid.....CRAP! I hate to do this to him, but he looks like a more athletic Magic.....CRAP CRAP CRAP!!!!! He can't be this good...but HE IS!!! I hate that!

he is so very far further along in the mind than KOBE was when he came in....Kobe was a selfish brat....has he changer?.....but this kid has the mind of a winner.....being interviewed last night...they kept trying to get him to talk about himself...when asked if he was pleased with his numbers...he said that he can't think like that, we lost and we could have won!!!!!!! CRAP! HE'S NOT A PUNK...NOW I don't hate him like I thought I would....am i crazy...even if this guy does struggle..and he will..he still has his head on straight...and that is lightyears ahead of someone like Kobe!

sike
10-30-2003, 03:11 PM
forgive my last post....I'm tired...and hungry...and the little blue men won't leave me alone....i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

kingrex
10-30-2003, 03:15 PM
Unfortunately, he is playing for the spare organizations that is Cleveland.

ReDIRKulous
10-30-2003, 03:21 PM
I'll tell you, LeBron's attitude and personality is a breath of fresh air after years of Kobe's "me me me" attitude. Lebron just seems like the coolest kid. danny Ainge finally got something right when he said 'LeBron is a people person, and a natural leader.'

So, what is the official story on LeBron's preseason? He must have been playing possum. Was this some scheme by Silas to prevent knee-jerking in the future when LeBron has some minor slump. It is hilarious to read all the pregame articles about LeBron's debut. They all say that Carmelo is a lock for rookie of the year and LeBron is going to struggle. I swear Silas just wanted to make the media look like fools. He fooled me too though... I was surprised, and worried about LeBron's lack of production from the Summer leagues to the preseason games.

sike
10-30-2003, 03:27 PM
ReDirk, despite my excitement for James...the difference between the struggles of Preseason and success of last night is very simple: one game!

he played poorly in some of preseason...and he played well in his debut...the difference is that he played well...

you might say that is the "what" and not the "Why",...but that is what even great rookies do, some nights the play well and other nights they look, well, just like rookies!

reeds
10-30-2003, 03:59 PM
I will admit- I am a big KOBE fan- I think he is a super superstar..but from what I seen last night- James can be better...I cant even imagine how good this kid will be....

Murphy3
10-30-2003, 04:05 PM
it's easy to see the great skills that James possesses.
But, it was just one game against a team that loves to get the ball up and down the court.. which played right into James' style of play.

Plus, James hit his jumpers. There's no telling how well he'll shoot the ball early in his career from the outside..that's yet to be determined.
But, he does have tremendous court vision, so he'll be a valuable asset as a rookie regardless of whether or not he struggles from the field.

ReDIRKulous
10-30-2003, 04:15 PM
LeBron is a much, much, better shooter than he showed in the preseason and even summer league. But there was some quote forom James I read last night and he said that Silas told him to take it easy in the preseason. Maybe he was joking though.


ReDirk, despite my excitement for James...the difference between the struggles of Preseason and success of last night is very simple: one game!

I disagree. His preseason and debut were like night and day in comparison. James seemed to be going at half speed(maximum) in the preseason. It seemed like he was treating it like a pratice... which it essentially is.

irontoad
10-30-2003, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by: Murphy3
it's easy to see the great skills that James possesses.
But, it was just one game against a team that loves to get the ball up and down the court.. which played right into James' style of play.

Plus, James hit his jumpers. There's no telling how well he'll shoot the ball early in his career from the outside..that's yet to be determined.
But, he does have tremendous court vision, so he'll be a valuable asset as a rookie regardless of whether or not he struggles from the field.

Exactly, it was just ONE game. This guy does seem to have the potential to be a superstar, no doubt about it, but let's all just wait a while before we tout him as the next Jordan. Is he the next Jordan? Will he be better than Jordan? I doubt it, but certainly time will tell.

ReDIRKulous
10-30-2003, 04:44 PM
“Coach (Paul) Silas told me not to start too early. I like criticism. It makes you strong,” James said.

I wouldn't say that LeBron is the next Jordan after one performance... because Jordan's greatness was his consitency and longevity and dominance night in and night out. But I can say that he is the first player since Jordan to be in class of Jodan Magic and Bird talentwise.

sike
10-30-2003, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by: ReDIRKulous
LeBron is a much, much, better shooter than he showed in the preseason and even summer league. But there was some quote forom James I read last night and he said that Silas told him to take it easy in the preseason. Maybe he was joking though.


ReDirk, despite my excitement for James...the difference between the struggles of Preseason and success of last night is very simple: one game!

I disagree. His preseason and debut were like night and day in comparison. James seemed to be going at half speed(maximum) in the preseason. It seemed like he was treating it like a pratice... which it essentially is.

are you saying he tanked it in those games cuz they were not important???? that does not sould like he has the character you thought he did in your post!...and don't be all, "the really great ones show up when it counts"...that is not what Lebron is doing....he is just a Rook and that is what they do....
If you disagree that is fine....neither of us can prove our argument either way!...I just don't think he would hold back...not this kid.

Rod1975
10-30-2003, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by: Big Boy Laroux
man, that commerical bugs me too! where's the shot-clock violation!

but man, he looked good. his vision is pretty durn good. he does like to go up in the air a lot to make his passes, which is bad fundamentals. but i'll forgive him for it. i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

He's in the air so freekin long, he's got time to panic, calm down, then make the right pass. i/expressions/face-icon-small-disgusted.gif

ReDIRKulous
10-30-2003, 05:06 PM
are you saying he tanked it in those games cuz they were not important????

Did you see the quote I just posted?

I don't think LeBron was Tanking on purpose... but I don't think he was playing at full speed -- at all. I have watched every nationally televised game he has been a part of and it is totally obvious that he wasn't playing at anywhere near full speed in his preseason games. I thought he was really nervous or something or he was fatigued in the preseason, but I don't believe that now.

sike
10-30-2003, 06:17 PM
[quote]
Originally posted by: ReDIRKulous
[quote]
“Coach (Paul) Silas told me not to start too early....

so ReDirk is saying that from this quote we can substantiate the fact that he was not playing hard in preseason...this quote could not have meant for a particular game or quarter.....no according to ReDirk, my Dallas-Mavs.com buddy, this is proof that he did not try in the preseason...I don't think that is what James is saying....I know we can not use a confusing quote like this to say anything conclusively...and logic would tell you that James, a Rookie needing all the experience he can get...would need to play to his potential...oh well, like I said previously, unless there are better quotes to be found....no one can prove an opinion like this...but that is part of what is great about this site....fighting for unprovable conjectures

ReDIRKulous
10-30-2003, 06:32 PM
How many LeBron games have you watched Sike? How closely have you been following him and for how long?

reeds
10-30-2003, 07:48 PM
Im not buying the "its ONE game" crap. Obviously it was just one game, but that game was full of pressure, full of expectations, full of hype- half the country watched it- and James came up HUGE- in his first game ever- at 18 years of age..that is all I needed to see..of course he will have his ups and downs, everyone does- but that kid is special. Anyone who dont beleive that doesnt know much about basketball. Did anyone see the little things he did? Giving up that monster dunk opp. to wait for the trailer Davis to dunk it?! What rookie does that in his first game? I watched it, and he could have easily scored more points if that was what he wanted- but he wanted him teammates involved. WOW- that is a special player at 18 years old..I give him this year, next, and year three- he will be the best in the game. Better than Kobe,McGrady,Garnett,Kidd,Dirk, everyone...JMHO

grbh
10-30-2003, 10:14 PM
Did anyone see that pass he just made.

ReDIRKulous
10-30-2003, 10:27 PM
The skip bounce pass? Or that outlet pass? Either way he is an amazing passer. He looks a little tired tonight and the Suns D looks pretty intense, at least active.

grbh
10-30-2003, 10:37 PM
The outlet was nice, but that skip pass was incredible.

ReDIRKulous
10-30-2003, 10:46 PM
That skip pass was so fast you could barely see it... and it was perfectly placed. Who is a better passer in the league right now?

Edit: Is Barkley the anti-christ? What is his deal against LEBRon? It reminds me of his anti Mavs stance. Just blind hatred. Damn I am getting sick of Barkley.

Shaq Attack2
10-31-2003, 01:54 AM
Racks up 21 pts on 8-17 shooting (47%) with 12 rebounds and 8 assists. However, he was sloppy with the ball with 7 TO's, though a couple were fumbled by his teammates.

Another great all around game for LeBron.

Big Boy Laroux
10-31-2003, 09:25 AM
he did look a little more sloppy... but an almost triple double in his second game? damn!

that pass he had to boozer (the bounce pass down the middle of the lane) was awesome. seriously, all the "next jordan" things are crazy. this kid is the next magic. except a hell of a lot more athletic.

two sweet dunks in that game last night. one by lebron and one by chupacabra. i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

kingrex
10-31-2003, 09:36 AM
Not to be a cliche, but Lebron is NOT the next anything skills-wise. He has the court-vision of Magic and the out-of-this world ability of Jordan combined. His mark is yet to be made in this league, but his potential is something this league has not yet seen.

Big Boy Laroux
10-31-2003, 09:58 AM
right, right, right. he's the first lebron. i know. i was just saying if i had to compare him to anyone, it would be magic. except a hell of alot more atheltic. like i said.

Shaq Attack2
10-31-2003, 12:27 PM
Agreed, LeBron looks to be an uber-Magic.

ReDIRKulous
10-31-2003, 12:38 PM
Why was Kenny and Barkley saying the Cavs should find a real point guard though? Is it because LeBron can't take guys off the dribble at will? I say give the kid time, he can become a great point guard.

kingrex
10-31-2003, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by: ReDIRKulous
Why was Kenny and Barkley saying the Cavs should find a real point guard though? Is it because LeBron can't take guys off the dribble at will? I say give the kid time, he can become a great point guard.

If I remember correctly, they were making the distinction between a pure point guard and a "scoring point" guard. And with Lebron's scoring ability I think they were making the case that Lebron will be more effective in Cleveland playing shooting guard instead.

Shaq Attack2
10-31-2003, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by: kingrex

Originally posted by: ReDIRKulous
Why was Kenny and Barkley saying the Cavs should find a real point guard though? Is it because LeBron can't take guys off the dribble at will? I say give the kid time, he can become a great point guard.

If I remember correctly, they were making the distinction between a pure point guard and a "scoring point" guard. And with Lebron's scoring ability I think they were making the case that Lebron will be more effective in Cleveland playing shooting guard instead.

I'd like LeBron at the 3, actually. He can utilize his passing and athleticism there, both offensively and defensively. Being 6-8 doesn't hurt.

kingrex
10-31-2003, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by: Shaq Attack2

Originally posted by: kingrex

Originally posted by: ReDIRKulous
Why was Kenny and Barkley saying the Cavs should find a real point guard though? Is it because LeBron can't take guys off the dribble at will? I say give the kid time, he can become a great point guard.

If I remember correctly, they were making the distinction between a pure point guard and a "scoring point" guard. And with Lebron's scoring ability I think they were making the case that Lebron will be more effective in Cleveland playing shooting guard instead.

I'd like LeBron at the 3, actually. He can utilize his passing and athleticism there, both offensively and defensively. Being 6-8 doesn't hurt.

With his mad skills as long as he's on the floor it's a plus it seems.

But like you pointed out being 6'8" he will dominate even more against smaller shooting guards, right?

irontoad
10-31-2003, 01:58 PM
What does everyone think this kid will be averaging by season's end? (pts, rbs, and assists?)

I say: 18.2, 7.0, and 5.5

Shaq Attack2
10-31-2003, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by: kingrex

Originally posted by: Shaq Attack2

Originally posted by: kingrex

Originally posted by: ReDIRKulous
Why was Kenny and Barkley saying the Cavs should find a real point guard though? Is it because LeBron can't take guys off the dribble at will? I say give the kid time, he can become a great point guard.

If I remember correctly, they were making the distinction between a pure point guard and a "scoring point" guard. And with Lebron's scoring ability I think they were making the case that Lebron will be more effective in Cleveland playing shooting guard instead.

I'd like LeBron at the 3, actually. He can utilize his passing and athleticism there, both offensively and defensively. Being 6-8 doesn't hurt.

With his mad skills as long as he's on the floor it's a plus it seems.

But like you pointed out being 6'8" he will dominate even more against smaller shooting guards, right?

Actually I'd rather have LeBron banging inside because Davis can handle the league's shooting guards just fine by himself (save for obvious greats like Tmac and Kobe).

Then again, LeBron is such a damn fine passer (and the best one of the Cavs) that you can't help but want him to initiate everything.

ReDIRKulous
10-31-2003, 02:04 PM
Then again, LeBron is such a damn fine passer (and the best one of the Cavs) that you can't help but want him to initiate everything

This is what I am wondering about... it would make me sick to see the ball taken out of LeBron's hands.

kingrex
10-31-2003, 02:05 PM
Again, whether playing point, shooting guard or small forward, what a great problem for Cleveland to have.

Lebron is the future, and he'll be Jordanesque in how he influences the outcome of a game.

rakesh.s
10-31-2003, 03:59 PM
Originally posted by: ReDIRKulous

Then again, LeBron is such a damn fine passer (and the best one of the Cavs) that you can't help but want him to initiate everything

This is what I am wondering about... it would make me sick to see the ball taken out of LeBron's hands.

you're all right..the ball must go through him every possession

in the first two cavs games, down the stretch, they started letting ricky davis and bremer do the handling and that's what cost them