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ReDIRKulous
10-31-2003, 03:53 PM
http://www.nypost.com/sports/42105.htm


IT'S 'GO TIME' FOR KOBE


October 31, 2003 -- HOOP DU JOUR

AS a self-trained psychoanalyst, I'm greatly tempted to explore the alcoves of Kobe Bryant's inner-most thoughts regarding loneliness, ruthless words about Shaquille O'Neal and dirty deeds with a stranger whose allegation will stain him forever even if found innocent. Bad choice of words, I meant to say, not guilty.

As someone who hasn't known Kobe since he was born (despite having covered, dined and partied with his father, Joe, when he played for the 76ers), I really liked what I saw up close and, at times, very personal.



Whenever my family was in the vicinity, Kobe would go out of his way to say hello and make sensible conversation for a few minutes when he could have easily hit and run like most artists. Immediately after the Lakers beat the Nets two years ago, Kobe invited my son into his private celebration nook and dropped a pair of signed sneakers on him.

Of course, he knew the power of the pen and the muscle of the microphone. Moreover, he knew that I knew that he knew. Nobody ever accused Pam Bryant of raising an idiot.

In complete contrast, off-the-court trustees were covertly accusing Kobe of extraordinary cruelty and insensitivity.


After 35 years in the business, you'd think I'd know the correct way to handle such a touchy state of affairs and how to authenticate or invalidate the inflammatory information; opening up a file in my computer with Kobe's name on it was about as conscientious as I got.

In view of our warm relationship and his three-peat championship competence, I figured I'd just let the harpoons slide and see what happens. Who would've guessed? Had I done my homework properly, maybe me; the least I could've offered was some educated speculation.


Meanwhile, there's suddenly a groundswell of opinion that the Lakers' organization similarly mismanaged his situation . . . but the inspection of Kobe's purported pampering by the powers that be (vs. holding him to a higher standard) will have to be put on hold.

Today my primary priority is Kobe's well-being. It's distressing to see a 25-year-old so unconditionally isolated from everyone but his wife; and you've got to wonder about her allegiance considering his disloyalty toward her.

Kobe has no relationship with his parents; their supposed reconciliation is counterfeit. He hasn't had a relationship with agent Arn Tellem for two years. His long-time relationship with sneaker sultan Sonny Vaccaro came unraveled a year ago when Adidas dropped Bryant, or vice versa. McDonald's, I'm informed, would love to sever its relationship with him for being uncooperative, but hesitate for fear people will think the company is bailing out due to the rape charge. Nor does he have anything resembling a relationship with Shaq, Phil Jackson or any of his teammates . . . all of whom Bryant is convinced offered no genuine support during his ordeal.

Perhaps Kobe's only reliable ally is Jerry West, who obtained Bryant's draft rights from the Hornets for Vlade Divac, but is now far removed in Memphis. At the risk of being fined for tampering, the communication between the two is minimal, if at all, now that West is responsible for the Grizzlies. When they were together in L.A., Kobe regularly consulted with his mentor, but, truth be known, didn't always listen to his advise, either.

"I once told him you're the most stubborn SOB I've ever been around in my life," West recalled recently. "And you know what he said? He said, 'You're right!' "

Without West, Kobe's riding solo on his motorcycle to exhibition games while everyone else is on the team bus. He's out there in the middle of the ocean all by himself, out there bobbing around without a sail or rudder.

Yet, instead of being appreciative of the support by the team and the players during his life-altering trauma, he has the audacity to reiterate plans to opt out at the end of the season.

In light of that reaffirmation and Kobe's scathing counterattack on Shaq, there should be no doubt in the minds of Laker decision makers that Bryant is dead-set on leaving in order to prove he can win a title somewhere else without the help of O'Neal.

Surely owner Jerry Buss understands a trade must be arranged as soon as possible; just because L.A.'s two sumo stars faked a Hollywood make-up after cleansing their psyche of all the bile that had built up over the last few seasons, don't think for a second anything has changed.

The obvious idea is for the Lakers to get as much as they can for their tainted talent before Kobe pulls a Shaq (the Magic still haven't recovered from his defection and probably never will) and splits without the franchise getting spit in compensation.

Most observers believe the Grizzlies would do anything it took to reunite West and Kobe, but I'm not so sure Memphis has what it takes (they're not giving up Pau Gasol; who cares about anybody else?) to get a deal done.

On the other hand, the Babyback Bulls definitely have the resources (Tyson Chandler and Jalen Rose, perhaps) and the craving to replace Michael Jordan with his closest heir. In fact, I've learned owner Jerry Reinsdorf and his staff already are sniffing around asking tough questions and doing a rigid background check of Kobe.

"It's a damn shame," said a L.A. hall monitor. "Kobe is so young and inexperienced he doesn't realize what a great thing he's got going with the Lakers. He really thinks he can win it all with another team without a significant other."

If that happens, Tracy McGrady said wistfully before Wednesday's OT win over the Knicks, "then we'll just have to put the gold crown on his head 'cause he'll have earned it."
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Man, I feel bad for the Lakers GM. lol

That is one tough decision. I think everything points to kobe leaving next summer... but the fans won't see it that way. The fans will want to crucify Mitch Kupchak. Is he impossible to trade for that reason? Are the LAkers just at Kobe's mercy? You know what is really screwed up though. Kobe screws Shaq by putting the Lakers in this situation... if the Lakers don't trade Kobe because they are affraid to... then Kobe leaves and the Lakers get nothing in return.. guess who pays the most? Shaq. Which prevents him from winning more championships without Kobe.

ReDIRKulous
10-31-2003, 04:21 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=aldridge_david&id=1651067

Now this is a bizarre idea!
____________________________________________


Trade T-MAc for Kobe


By David Aldridge
Special to ESPN.com

It is a solution so breathtaking in its simplicity, so amazingly easy in its execution, that it's a wonder that a mind more advanced than mine hasn't stumbled upon it before.

At season's end, Kobe for T-Mac.



Straight up.

No future, lottery-protected draft picks. No cash switching hands from one millionaire's pockets to another's. No marginal throw-ins to make the deal work cap-wise. It works. That's the beauty part.

Kobe Bryant's 2003-04 salary: $13.5 mil.

Tracy McGrady's: $13.279 mil.

Well within the 15 percent (plus $100,000) rule for matching salaries for a trade. No base-year compensation issues, either; both are well into their respective contracts, their base years long having since expired.

And they play the same position, for Sidney Moncrief's sake!

Of course, the big, red flashing light of Kobe's impending trial makes this scenario -- at least until next summer -- totally undoable. If he's found guilty of sexual assault, I'm quite aware that this will all be moot and Kobe will be in prison. But let's say Kobe is found innocent, or otherwise is a free man as of July 2005 ...

Of course, neither team would do it now. The season's just started, and there is still a chance that the Lakers can leave the mental wreckage of September and October behind and reach their full potential. But only the most ardent Lakers supporter (Mr. Nicholson, please sit down) could possibly now believe, after that neutron bomb of an interview Kobe gave Jim Gray this week, that Kobe's stay in LaLa has more than a few months remaining. Like Shaquille O'Neal in Orlando, Kobe has had his fill of his first NBA town. He's won his championships, made his money. He has no more attachment to the city than a tourist at Disneyland. (Hint: He actually lives much closer to Disneyland, in Anaheim, 50 miles down the road, than the Staples Center, in downtown L.A.) He is not a part of the Hollywood scene. He has no crew, no group of young movie star friends or hip-hoppers that he hangs out with, no desire to be seen by the paparazzi.

You may know all, or most, of that already. What you probably don't know is the other half of this equation is just as plausible, for the relationship between young T-Mac and the Magic is, if not at the breaking point, bending much further back than a healthy one should. Reliable eyes tell me that while T-Mac is a more willing participant in workouts than he was when he first arrived, Doc Rivers is growing weary of T-Mac's diva act in practice (when his balky back allows him to practice). Meanwhile, T-Mac is sick of waiting for all the help that management was supposed to get him when he left Toronto -- it's hard for him to say "Grant Hill" without scowling -- and the team's moves this summer have only mildly impressed him. (One of the few bigs that could have really helped Orlando next season, New Orleans center Jamaal Magloire, broke Magic hearts -- and the tickers of several other teams -- by signing a three-year extension with the Hornets this week.)

I know that Kobe says he wants to explore free agency. But he's a smart guy and he knows who's going to have the big purse strings next summer. Given what we know about Utah owner Larry Miller (and what we know so far about Kobe's dealings at that spa), do you think he'd give the green light to bringing Kobe into MormonLand? Do you think that the Nuggets will be able to offer Kobe multiple millions to play an hour or so from Eagle County? Does anyone really think that after matching offers for Elton Brand and Corey Maggette, Donald Sterling is going to keep the tap on long enough to allow the Clippers to make the kind of offer necessary to get Kobe to change locker rooms at Staples?

Of course, the Logo would love to bring Kobe to Memphis. Jerry West may be the one guy in the NBA that Kobe actually listens to. But unless he can get someone to take Bo Outlaw ($6.585 million on the cap next season; $6 million actual cash salary) or Lorenzen Wright ($7.15 mil next season) off his hands for nothing, he's stuck at more than $45 million committed for next year, not nearly enough to make Kobe an offer (even assuming a generous bump up in the cap as the TV money kicks in). And that doesn't count the extension West is going to have to give Pau Gasol soon.


So the only realistic avenue for Kobe, if he wants to leave, is via trade. Please don't bore me with all the great deals that Dallas or Indiana or Chicago (Chicago?! If they're so hot, how come they got run off their home court by the Wizards the other night?) could make for Kobe. Nobody loves Dirk Diggler or Nasty Nash or J.O. more than I, but none of those great basketball players are stars -- not in the L.A. sense of the word. Dirk Nowitzki is an introvert not given to self-aggrandizement; he could walk down Rodeo Drive and not get more than a passing glance. Jermaine O'Neal is a great player and person, but he's not given to a lot of demonstration, either. Not exactly what Dyan and Cameron and Justin (well, their studios, anyway) shell out those courtside seat bucks for.

T-Mac is a superstar, a dyed-in-the-wool, I-Have-My-Own-Shoe-That-Sells-Incredibly-Well superstar. Who just happens to be incredibly tight with a certain Shaquille Rashaun O'Neal. They both have residences in the famed Isleworth gated community in Orlando, home to Tiger and other superstars of sport, stage and screen. And Arn Tellem, T-Mac's agent, has been consipiring quietly for years to figure out a way to get T-Mac out west, where his game would fit like a glove in the triangle. Can you imagine the possibilities of T-Mac's Pippenesque postup skills and passing ability meshed with the Diesel holding court in the paint?

You may ask: What possible reason would the Magic have for moving the league's No. 1 (or 1A, depending on who you ask) player, even if it brings the league's 1A (or No. 1) player back in return?

Well, practicality, for one. T-Mac does have an out clause following the 2004-05 season, and though it would be a gamble for him to use it with the collective bargaining agreement set to expire (he'd leave $32.5 million on the table), can Orlando really afford to call his bluff? Sure, the Magic have a couple of years to get McGrady's signature on an extension, but Orlando can't repeat the same disastrous process it followed in 1996, when it tried negotiating with Shaq, only to see him ultimately walk for nothing. Orlando cannot allow another cunning GM (or the same one) to have a year clearing enough cap room to make a run at T-Mac after '05.

Getting Kobe would also be a futures investment for the Magic. If the franchise is ever going to get a new building to replace the T.D. Waterhouse Centre, it's going to need a superstar player under contract to entice anyone to buy tickets and suites. In a year, if Kobe is still a free man, the nasty headlines will have begun to fade away, and Orlando won't have as much trouble selling its more conservative fan base to buy Bryant.

And if you're Kobe, what is more enticing? Struggling to lift the Clippers or Jazz (If Kobe breaks off plays in the triangle, what would he do to poor Jerry Sloan?) or Nuggets not only to respectability, but past the West's ultra-loaded elite? Or joining a reasonably talented supporting cast in Orlando and fighting the Nets, Pacers and Pistons for a shot at the Finals? His chances for a Shaq-less title are much better coming out of the East.

I tried to shoot holes in this before writing, because if there's one thing I hate, it's ridiculous trade proposals. You get enough of those from Knicks fans. But this one stands up to the light. It makes sense. An old-fashioned blockbuster, superstar for superstar, healing each other's team, giving the game's two best players a fresh start and still giving them a chance to win championships.

Mr. Buss. Mr. DeVos. Think about it.

Shaq Attack2
10-31-2003, 04:35 PM
Kobe has been isolated his entire life, usually only having strong relationships with his family (when he was younger, his parents and siblings, now that he's older it's his wife and child). This writer reveals nothing new expect for the claim that Kobe's supposed reconnection with his parents was counterfeit despite Kobe asserting that their relationship was reestablished when his child was born last spring.

In any case, this article doesn't make a case more or less for Kobe to be traded. Just recently Kobe seemed to back off his previous assertion that he would opt because he was seriously considering leaving the Lakers to the assertion that he was going to opt out merely to see what his options were like, and out of curiosity of course, just like Jason Kidd did this past summer.

Of course thereís a possibility that Kobe will leave. But letís be realistic here; Kobe will make the most money with the Lakers than any other team, and will have no better chance to win another championship than in L.A. if he resigns next summer. Kobe has always been about winning, and with his rape trial and his children to think of, money becomes a concern, and the Lakers can provide that cash better than anyone (I believe $19 million a year instead of the 14 heís getting?).

LRB
10-31-2003, 04:38 PM
No GM in their right mind will give fair talent value for Kobe in trade until his legal issues are resolved. Kobe for TMac is more of a gamble for Orlando than trying to resign TMac at this point. I just don't see a trade coming until Kobe's rape trial is resolved and still doubt that one will take place even then.

Shaq Attack2
10-31-2003, 04:46 PM
Oh, and as far as the Tmac for Kobe trade goes, it's not going to happen. Tmac went to Orlando for the sole purpose of running a team on his own. Why do you think he left Carter and a very good Raptors team for Orlando?

Unless Tmac changes his mind about running his own team, that trade won't happen in a million years obviously.

And I'll have to disagree LRB. Kobe has proven to be the most clutch player in the NBA, not to mention a very elite defender and scorer. Rape trial or not, there are plenty of GMs out there that would bet their franchise on Kobe.

ReDIRKulous
10-31-2003, 04:46 PM
Here is another interesting article --


http://espn.go.com/page2/s/whitlock/031030.html



L.A. eats up another of its young

By Jason Whitlock

Page 2 columnist


Kobe Bryant isn't so hard to understand once you accept a basic premise.
He's a child TV star gone wild.
It's really that simple. Once you embrace this concept, Kobe's summer
meltdown isn't confusing at all. And that is what we're watching. Kobe is
melting down, one $4-million adultery ring, one tattoo, one Jim Gray
interview at a time.
This happens all the time to Hollywood child stars. Los Angeles, with its
fast lifestyle and even faster women, is hard on everybody, but it is most
vicious to its children. Kobe isn't any different than Dana Plato or Todd
Bridges or Danny Bonaduce or Scott Schwartz or Jaimee Foxworth, kids
swallowed by Sunset Strip.

Would the new Kobe be better off away from L.A.?
The Lakers should trade Kobe. Show him some mercy. With Gary Payton and
Karl Malone, the Lakers don't need Kobe. Send him to Milwaukee or Indiana
or Utah, somewhere where good women have love handles, silicone-free
breasts and appreciate a Blockbuster night, where everyone doesn't have a
business card filled with lies, where the fastlane tops out at 70.
I'm serious. What more does Los Angeles need from Kobe? It's stolen his
innocence, reaped three championships and hardened his heart. It's time to
let Kobe go. The City of (Hell's) Angels nearly destroyed the Lakers'
previous child prodigy, Earvin Magic Johnson. It took the HIV virus to
slow Magic's roll.
Man, L.A. is unforgiving to its young.
Plato, of "Diff'rent Strokes" fame, knocked off a video store in Vegas,
got busted for illegally buying Valium, appeared in the porn flick
"Different Strokes: The Story of Jack and Jill ... and Jill" and wound up
committing suicide. Bonaduce ("The Partridge Family") turned to drugs, got
pinched for cold-cocking a transvestite and went through years of
rehabilitation. Bridges ("Diff'rent Strokes" beat an attempted-murder rap,
but spent time in the pokey for minor offenses and admitted being hooked
on drugs and alcohol. Foxworth ("Family Matters") and Schwartz ("The Toy")
both saw action in the porn industry.
Hell, you know the stories. There's no sense in repeating all of them.
Child stars are not the most well-adjusted adults. The fame, the money,
the freedom, the responsibility and the pressure warp their minds, destroy
their natural evolution.
I don't blame Kobe for wanting to opt out of L.A. Kobe can blame
everything on Shaq being "childlike," "unprofessional" and "jealous." That
doesn't mean we have to buy it. Shaq isn't responsible for Kobe's
meltdown.
L.A.'s heat has been dissolving Kobe for years. What's the first calamity
that strikes child TV stars? They fall out with their parents. They sue to
be emancipated. They sue to get their money.

Maybe things started going sour after Kobe and Shaq put on those
jackets.
Kobe's been headed for trouble ever since stories started circulating that
he'd severed his relationship with his parents. Dating and marrying a
child when he himself was still immature was another tell-tale sign. Kids
mistake a big bank account with being grown. Immature people are in a rush
to be grown so they can make all the mistakes that grown folks make.
Kobe wanted to be like Mike. Not just on the court. Kobe wanted the trophy
wife, the trophy kids and the trophies on his bedpost. Mike spent three
years in college learning "The Game," learning the hustle. When Mike hit
the NBA he was a man ready to deal in a man's world. And Mike had the good
fortune of landing in Chicago, a tough city, but Pleasantville compared to
L.A.
So Kobe is melting down. He doesn't know how to pacify Shaq, the spoiled,
lazy, good-natured behemoth who needs honey -- not vinegar -- to bring out
his best. Kobe's too full of himself to realize how much he needs Shaq. Go
ask Penny Hardaway how much Kobe needs Shaq. Has anybody seen Lil' Penny
since Shaq left Orlando?
I'm not suggesting that Shaq is right and Kobe is wrong. I'm suggesting
that Kobe can't win this power struggle, and, particularly given his legal
troubles, he shouldn't even be waging a public war with Shaq.
But as Kobe melts we're learning he's not very savvy. He tried to fix his
marriage with a $4-million ring and a tattoo. I guess the ring and the
tatt are supposed to remind teenage hotel clerks that Kobe is off limits.
Or maybe they're to remind Kobe. Whatever.
This is all very, very sad. I pray there a few high school superstars
watching this NBA soap opera unfold. You might think LeBron James is safe
in Cleveland. I'm not so sure. No child is ready for NBA TV. As things
develop, we might find out NBA TV is more hazardous to a child's mental
health than "Diff'rent Strokes."

ReDIRKulous
10-31-2003, 04:54 PM
Of course thereís a possibility that Kobe will leave. But letís be realistic here; Kobe will make the most money with the Lakers than any other team, and will have no better chance to win another championship than in L.A. if he resigns next summer. Kobe has always been about winning, and with his rape trial and his children to think of, money becomes a concern, and the Lakers can provide that cash better than anyone (I believe $19 million a year instead of the 14 heís getting?).

I don't think the extra money will affect Kobe's decision.

I think more than anything Kobe wants his OWN team. He wants to be Jordan. The only way he will do that, especially since Malone and Payton are on Shaq's side and can be used as another reason why Kobe isn't Jordan, is if he gets out of Shaq's shadow. If he didn't leave the LAkers next summer I would be really really surprised.

LRB
10-31-2003, 04:59 PM
And I'll have to disagree LRB. Kobe has proven to be the most clutch player in the NBA, not to mention a very elite defender and scorer. Rape trial or not, there are plenty of GMs out there that would bet their franchise on Kobe.


SA2 I never said that no GM would trade for Kobe. Yes there are lots who will take the gamble. But the Lakers will not get the same level of return on Kobe than if they traded an aquitted Kobe. So the Lakers won't be getting fair talent value for Kobe. And as much as I dislike Kobe I do admit that he has tremendous basketball talent. A trade by the Lakers would be a gamble that Kobe would be convicted and have to serve time otherise they could get more by waiting for the legal process to play out.

Shaq Attack2
10-31-2003, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by: LRB

And I'll have to disagree LRB. Kobe has proven to be the most clutch player in the NBA, not to mention a very elite defender and scorer. Rape trial or not, there are plenty of GMs out there that would bet their franchise on Kobe.


SA2 I never said that no GM would trade for Kobe. Yes there are lots who will take the gamble. But the Lakers will not get the same level of return on Kobe than if they traded an aquitted Kobe. So the Lakers won't be getting fair talent value for Kobe. And as much as I dislike Kobe I do admit that he has tremendous basketball talent. A trade by the Lakers would be a gamble that Kobe would be convicted and have to serve time otherise they could get more by waiting for the legal process to play out.

OK, agreed. Though as far as I understand it, a sign and trade will still get the Lakers $14 millon worth of talent, no?

LRB
10-31-2003, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by: Shaq Attack2

Originally posted by: LRB

And I'll have to disagree LRB. Kobe has proven to be the most clutch player in the NBA, not to mention a very elite defender and scorer. Rape trial or not, there are plenty of GMs out there that would bet their franchise on Kobe.


SA2 I never said that no GM would trade for Kobe. Yes there are lots who will take the gamble. But the Lakers will not get the same level of return on Kobe than if they traded an aquitted Kobe. So the Lakers won't be getting fair talent value for Kobe. And as much as I dislike Kobe I do admit that he has tremendous basketball talent. A trade by the Lakers would be a gamble that Kobe would be convicted and have to serve time otherise they could get more by waiting for the legal process to play out.

OK, agreed. Though as far as I understand it, a sign and trade will still get the Lakers $14 millon worth of talent, no?

So if the Mavs trade TAW as part of the $14 million is that being fair? i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

madape
10-31-2003, 05:49 PM
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"I'll give you two packs of smokes for that bitch."

Rod1975
10-31-2003, 06:12 PM
The Lakers are capable of winning a title without Kobe, everyone knows this.

Buss and Kupchak won't let Kobe go without getting something in return.

The questions are: Who can they trade him to that will be able to resign him? Who would want him? Who/what would they get in return?
I'm of the school of thought that something is better than nothing. This is'nt Wang ZhiZhi we're talking about here.

If the situation in LA continues to deteriorate, Kobe could easily be shipped off to a team willing to take its chances with both resigning him and is legal troubles.

rakesh.s
10-31-2003, 07:24 PM
he could willingly come off the bench for dallas i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

after all he is a young budding all-star

Shaq Attack2
10-31-2003, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by: LRB

Originally posted by: Shaq Attack2

Originally posted by: LRB

And I'll have to disagree LRB. Kobe has proven to be the most clutch player in the NBA, not to mention a very elite defender and scorer. Rape trial or not, there are plenty of GMs out there that would bet their franchise on Kobe.


SA2 I never said that no GM would trade for Kobe. Yes there are lots who will take the gamble. But the Lakers will not get the same level of return on Kobe than if they traded an aquitted Kobe. So the Lakers won't be getting fair talent value for Kobe. And as much as I dislike Kobe I do admit that he has tremendous basketball talent. A trade by the Lakers would be a gamble that Kobe would be convicted and have to serve time otherise they could get more by waiting for the legal process to play out.

OK, agreed. Though as far as I understand it, a sign and trade will still get the Lakers $14 millon worth of talent, no?

So if the Mavs trade TAW as part of the $14 million is that being fair? i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

TAW and Dirk, sure. i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

Murphy3
10-31-2003, 08:20 PM
the mavs wouldn't trade dirk for kobe..even if kobe were found not guilty..even if none of this would have never happened

bogey
10-31-2003, 08:22 PM
I wish idiots would take the time to read how to make more than one choice prior to making a poll.

LRB
10-31-2003, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by: Shaq Attack2

Originally posted by: LRB

Originally posted by: Shaq Attack2

Originally posted by: LRB

And I'll have to disagree LRB. Kobe has proven to be the most clutch player in the NBA, not to mention a very elite defender and scorer. Rape trial or not, there are plenty of GMs out there that would bet their franchise on Kobe.


SA2 I never said that no GM would trade for Kobe. Yes there are lots who will take the gamble. But the Lakers will not get the same level of return on Kobe than if they traded an aquitted Kobe. So the Lakers won't be getting fair talent value for Kobe. And as much as I dislike Kobe I do admit that he has tremendous basketball talent. A trade by the Lakers would be a gamble that Kobe would be convicted and have to serve time otherise they could get more by waiting for the legal process to play out.

OK, agreed. Though as far as I understand it, a sign and trade will still get the Lakers $14 millon worth of talent, no?

So if the Mavs trade TAW as part of the $14 million is that being fair? i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

TAW and Dirk, sure. i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

Not enough beer in Texas to make this one happen. i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif