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ReDIRKulous
11-07-2003, 11:12 PM
I know there is another thread on this at the moment... but I have some stunning new info that needs to be explored.

George Karl is announcing the Blazers Sonics game and just cryptically said he sees Rasheed in a Mavs uniform in the near future! We know Karl is close to Nellie. What does this mean?

Tolbert and the other guy asked him if he had some inside info and Karl kind of backtracked a bit and said that he felt that if the Blazers struggled he might end up a Maverick... but It really sounded like Karl knew more than he was saying. He sounded like he knew a secret and was confident it was going to happen in the near future. Maybe I am reading too much into it but it sounded like it could happen in the next couple days or something!

Member
11-07-2003, 11:16 PM
yeah i just heard him say that too, i dont know if it really means anything though

he said something along the lines of, "seeing Rasheed shoot that three makes me think of him in a Mavs uniform"

Tony tha Mavs fan
11-07-2003, 11:17 PM
I heard that too, I thought it was Tom Tolbert who said that, But if it was Karl. It kinda makes sense... all the rumors had Walker to Blazers for Sheed, and/or Jamison to Blazers for Sheed. Could be the Mavs went a weird way to facilitate a trade to the Blazers, Or it could be Karl just making a weird comment and everyone starting to look too much into it

ReDIRKulous
11-07-2003, 11:18 PM
Ok... see I was doing something else when I heard him say that... but didn't he sound like he knew something was going on? I mean it sounded like more than just "he would fit in with the Mavs nicely".

Maybe Karl just screwed up and made it sound like that but didn't intend to. Like he Just expressed himself in a weird way. lol

Max Power
11-07-2003, 11:18 PM
Lord I don't want him here.

Member
11-07-2003, 11:19 PM
LOL, the buzzer is going off as well, and it wont stop

just a a loud constant noise, this is great

ReDIRKulous
11-07-2003, 11:21 PM
That is the problem though... to get a big man you have to take a guy like Rasheed if you have the chance.

With our triumverate of leaders I think we could handle him better than any other team.

Dirk Nowitzki
11-07-2003, 11:34 PM
Wallaces #s last year
mpg fg% ft% 3pt% Reb Apg spg bpg ppg
36.3 47.1 73.5 35.8 7.4 2.1 1.0 1.0 18.1
his assist numbers where a little down from years past, but Wallace is an intense 6'11" post player who plays defense, can pass from the post, shoots at a high % & is in his late 20's. He could do a couple of things for the Mavs before he ever suited up.
1.) officialy shed the Mavs "soft" image
2.) a combo of Dirk & Sheed playing the 4 & 5 is kinda scary. I say trade Walker for Sheed is possible & start
5. Sheed
4. Dirk
3. Jamison
2. Fin
1. Nash
have Delk, Best, Howard, Fortson, Najera & Bradley come off of the bench.
Notice thier is not a single player on our bench that should start.
IMO, this clears a log jam for us & the Blazers
They could start
5. Dale Davis
4. Zach Randolph
3. Walker
2. Derrick Anderson
1. Damon
This would free up even more minutes for Randolph & give Portland a distributer in Walker that could play just as well in that Portland system as he has so far for the Mavs.

Fah Q
11-07-2003, 11:37 PM
Has everyone forgotten that we cant trade Walker for a while?

The Bandit
11-07-2003, 11:40 PM
Portland would probally want Jamison anyways since they're looking to add character players to fix their image.

Dirk Nowitzki
11-07-2003, 11:42 PM
I just checked it out on Realgm, the only way a trade could happen is if the Blazers wanted Jammison & Najera or Bradley or somesuch. Any walker for Sheed deal would have to wait until December 20th

u2sarajevo
11-07-2003, 11:43 PM
Originally posted by: Fah Q
Has everyone forgotten that we cant trade Walker for a while?

Not true actually... we just can't package him with Delk for 60 days.

u2sarajevo
11-07-2003, 11:44 PM
Originally posted by: Dirk Nowitzki
I just checked it out on Realgm, the only way a trade could happen is if the Blazers wanted Jammison & Najera or Bradley or somesuch. Any walker for Sheed deal would have to wait until December 20th

Did it say why? I thought the CBA would only not allow you to trade a recently traded player along with another player from the same trade. Or have I read that wrong on this site... where is dooby when you need him?

Tony tha Mavs fan
11-07-2003, 11:47 PM
I think a trade would be for Jamison , since Portland has Zach Randolph already, they could use a quality SF to round out their lineup. Hmm more Wallace to Mavs rumors every other month...

ReDIRKulous
11-08-2003, 12:26 AM
I just checked it out on Realgm, the only way a trade could happen is if the Blazers wanted Jammison & Najera or Bradley or somesuch. Any walker for Sheed deal would have to wait until December 20th

Maybe this is why Karl made it sound like it was a "wait and see" kind of thing. Because they have to wait for that trade deadline and also wait and see how the Blazers fare. I doubt it will just be for Wlaker though. Otherwise why wouldn't Portland have just dealt with Ainge/Boston?

I bet it is somekind of package deal where the Blazers would get both twans and we would get maybe Sheed and Bonzi(or someone else) and maybe deal bonzi to somewhere else or soemthing.

LRB
11-08-2003, 12:36 AM
Finally the Mavs could get a pothead. Maybe if we get a real trouble maker we'll get some respect. i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

Seriously I love Rasheed's talent, but I would seriously question chemistry issues. I would also wonder whether Nellie would let/require him to play out on the perimeter most of the time. Sheed has a really nice postup game but doesn't use it near enough. I would really wonder what would happen being traded to a team that has trouble using the postup game.

Tony tha Mavs fan
11-08-2003, 12:40 AM
Originally posted by: ReDIRKulous

I just checked it out on Realgm, the only way a trade could happen is if the Blazers wanted Jammison & Najera or Bradley or somesuch. Any walker for Sheed deal would have to wait until December 20th

Maybe this is why Karl made it sound like it was a "wait and see" kind of thing. Because they have to wait for that trade deadline and also wait and see how the Blazers fare. I doubt it will just be for Wlaker though. Otherwise why wouldn't Portland have just dealt with Ainge/Boston?

I bet it is somekind of package deal where the Blazers would get both twans and we would get maybe Sheed and Bonzi(or someone else) and maybe deal bonzi to somewhere else or soemthing.


I think Ainge wanted someone who he could keep around for a couple of years ( raef) . From what i hear, he likes big contracts as opposed to smaller ones, so he can keep a player more than just 1 or 2 years. With Rasheed's Contract up Next year, I don't know if Danny Ainge liked the prospect of Sheed leaving and them getting nothing out of trading Antoine Walker. I think if a trade were to be done it would be for Jamison...since nellie is already talkin up walker as the "Point Forward" he's always wanted.

Fah Q
11-08-2003, 12:45 AM
Originally posted by: Tony tha Mavs fan

Originally posted by: ReDIRKulous

I just checked it out on Realgm, the only way a trade could happen is if the Blazers wanted Jammison & Najera or Bradley or somesuch. Any walker for Sheed deal would have to wait until December 20th

Maybe this is why Karl made it sound like it was a "wait and see" kind of thing. Because they have to wait for that trade deadline and also wait and see how the Blazers fare. I doubt it will just be for Wlaker though. Otherwise why wouldn't Portland have just dealt with Ainge/Boston?

I bet it is somekind of package deal where the Blazers would get both twans and we would get maybe Sheed and Bonzi(or someone else) and maybe deal bonzi to somewhere else or soemthing.


I think Ainge wanted someone who he could keep around for a couple of years ( raef) . From what i hear, he likes big contracts as opposed to smaller ones, so he can keep a player more than just 1 or 2 years. With Rasheed's Contract up Next year, I don't know if Danny Ainge liked the prospect of Sheed leaving and them getting nothing out of trading Antoine Walker. I think if a trade were to be done it would be for Jamison...since nellie is already talkin up walker as the "Point Forward" he's always wanted.

Also I think Ainge is afraid of the "thug"

Ummmmm Ok
11-08-2003, 06:08 AM
I know this is going to sound bad, but I wouldn't mind seeing Rasheed here. But only if you Trade Walker for Him and not Jamison. Unfortunately I just don't see why Portland would do it just for Walker, but with Mark Cuban who knows. I also am scared to death about Rasheeds off the court behavior, but I am hoping that the demeanor of this team would stop all of his antics.

I would like to see a lineup of:
PG: Nash, Best, Daniels
SG: Finley, Delk, Howard
SF: Dirk, Jamison
PF: Rasheed, Najera
C: Bradley, Fortson

Thats not a bad lineup and you would have Very good players coming off the bench in Jamison, Delk, Best, and Najera. Dirk and Rasheed could switch out during the game playing the low post and SF. Would really depend on the matchup and who has who on each play down the court. Bradley would benefit the most from Rasheed being here due to Rasheed is one hell of a defender and we could *gasp* actually play alot of man to man defense. I still wouldn't be bothered either to see Delk starting ahead of Finley. Could you imagine both Finley and Jamison coming off the bench? Yowsa!

Simon2
11-08-2003, 08:17 AM
Originally posted by: Ummmmm Ok
I know this is going to sound bad, but I wouldn't mind seeing Rasheed here. But only if you Trade Walker for Him and not Jamison. Unfortunately I just don't see why Portland would do it just for Walker, but with Mark Cuban who knows. I also am scared to death about Rasheeds off the court behavior, but I am hoping that the demeanor of this team would stop all of his antics.

I would like to see a lineup of:
PG: Nash, Best, Daniels
SG: Finley, Delk, Howard
SF: Dirk, Jamison
PF: Rasheed, Najera
C: Bradley, Fortson

Thats not a bad lineup and you would have Very good players coming off the bench in Jamison, Delk, Best, and Najera. Dirk and Rasheed could switch out during the game playing the low post and SF. Would really depend on the matchup and who has who on each play down the court. Bradley would benefit the most from Rasheed being here due to Rasheed is one hell of a defender and we could *gasp* actually play alot of man to man defense. I still wouldn't be bothered either to see Delk starting ahead of Finley. Could you imagine both Finley and Jamison coming off the bench? Yowsa!

The problem is that Nellie won't play Bradley or Fortson at center. I'm not sure Rasheed is a good defender at this point of his career as well. I don't think the Mavs can handle his personality though.

Max Power
11-08-2003, 09:25 AM
Wallace never plays center anymore so why would he be a center here?

MavsFanFinley
11-08-2003, 11:17 AM
The rumors over the summer were the Blazers wanting Finley, Najera, or NVE. Two of those guys, at least. Obviously with the addition of Walker and Jamison it changes things.

I'd be looking at a combination of those two guys.

Realgm says a Finley/Jamison trade for Wallace/Wells is accepted.

Max Power
11-08-2003, 02:17 PM
Finley to Portland would be a great move for Finley. Those fans LOVE their players as long as the players can stay out of trouble.

This would be a great trade for the Blazers. They would get two solid citizens for the two most troubled players in the NBA.

ReDIRKulous
11-08-2003, 02:23 PM
I don't think the Mavs could handle a personality like Rasheeds without the leaderships threesome of FinDirkNash. I also don't think the MAvs could handle Walker and Rasheed on the same team. That equals disfunctional if you ask me. So in my opinion the trade has to include Walker, whether it is Walker and Jamison or Walker and someone else.

LRB
11-08-2003, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by: Max Power
Finley to Portland would be a great move for Finley. Those fans LOVE their players as long as the players can stay out of trouble.

This would be a great trade for the Blazers. They would get two solid citizens for the two most troubled players in the NBA.


Well it would give the Mavs a good chance to lead the league in Technical fouls.
i/expressions/face-icon-small-disgusted.gif

arsenalth9
11-08-2003, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by: Max Power
Finley to Portland would be a great move for Finley. Those fans LOVE their players as long as the players can stay out of trouble.

This would be a great trade for the Blazers. They would get two solid citizens for the two most troubled players in the NBA.

Portland doens't need Finely. They already have Bonzi Wells, Derek Anderson and Qyntel woods. they are fine at the 2 spot. I think Walker or Jamison would be good for them, because Randolph is starting to dominate the 4.

Max Power
11-08-2003, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by: arsenalth9
Portland doens't need Finely. They already have Bonzi Wells, Derek Anderson and Qyntel woods. they are fine at the 2 spot. I think Walker or Jamison would be good for them, because Randolph is starting to dominate the 4.

The Blazers would be getting Finley for free. You don't think they are going to resign Wallace do you?

arsenalth9
11-08-2003, 02:56 PM
no, i know they wont resign him, but at least get someone they need outta it, ya know?

MavsFanatik33
11-08-2003, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by: LRB
Well it would give the Mavs a good chance to lead the league in Technical fouls.
i/expressions/face-icon-small-disgusted.gif

Haha, amen. If Cuban tried to get Rasheed it would disprove all my past posts about Cuban being a smart owner. The LAST thing we need is a PF, why even look at deals for this?

Max Power
11-08-2003, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by: arsenalth9
no, i know they wont resign him, but at least get someone they need outta it, ya know?

A high quality guy with a great attitude? That's what the Blazers need.

arsenalth9
11-08-2003, 03:15 PM
There are plenty of high quality guys they need that they also need on the court...finely isn't one of em.

LRB
11-08-2003, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by: Max Power

Originally posted by: arsenalth9
no, i know they wont resign him, but at least get someone they need outta it, ya know?

A high quality guy with a great attitude? That's what the Blazers need.

MP I would agree with you on this. Fin would be very valuable to the Blazers. He's a leader. He has a high quality character and has great attitude. Plus he's a pretty darn good player. Just what they need.

MavsFanatik33
11-08-2003, 03:21 PM
The only thing "high quality" the Blazers have right now is their marijuana.
I agree with arsenal, Portland doesn't need another 2/3...

arsenalth9
11-08-2003, 03:21 PM
I just don't see how a 4th SG would help them that much. Yea, he is a really good player, but until they get rid of at least one of those SGs, i don't a trade like that making much impact.

arsenalth9
11-08-2003, 03:22 PM
On the court that is, morally, yes it would make a lot of impact.

LRB
11-08-2003, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by: arsenalth9
I just don't see how a 4th SG would help them that much. Yea, he is a really good player, but until they get rid of at least one of those SGs, i don't a trade like that making much impact.

Well I think the point was a Wells/Wallace trade for Fin/Jamison. In that case they'd be replacing Bonzi with Fin.

arsenalth9
11-08-2003, 03:46 PM
lol, never saw the bonzi part in the trade.... that would be a good trade tho.

MavsFanatik33
11-08-2003, 03:48 PM
BONZIE AND SHEED ON THE MAVS?!
Just shoot me now!
Why do we get Chester the Molester (Kobe) and Artest while we're at it, have a big jail house rock party...

LRB
11-08-2003, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by: MavsFanatik33
BONZIE AND SHEED ON THE MAVS?!
Just shoot me now!
Why do we get Chester the Molester (Kobe) and Artest while we're at it, have a big jail house rock party...

LOL. Chester the Molester. Good one. And I agree the chemistry issue would blow up in our faces with Bonzi and Rasheed. They're great talents, but poor chemistry.

thebac
11-08-2003, 08:13 PM
Several things about Bonzi to the Mavs:

a) not going to happen

b) what he did to Fin a while back

c) if that's not enough, read this transcript of an interview with the Oregonian:


Wells apologizes -- for whatever it was he did

11/05/03

The following is a transcript of Bonzi Wells' exchange with reporters on Tuesday at the Trail Blazers' practice facility in Tualatin:

Q: Can you comment on Monday's game?

A: We lost. Tough game.

Q: What about the incident with the fan?

A: It was a tough game last night. I wish we could have won. That's about it.

Q: Did you flip off a fan, Bonzi?

A: I don't remember nothing like that, but if I did, I was probably wrong. But I don't remember doing nothing like that. I black out sometimes. (He winks).

Q: You also didn't remember spitting on Danny Ferry.

A: Why do you have to bring up old stuff all the time? Why can't we talk about good stuff sometimes, man?

Q: If you did flip off a fan last night, if your memory does come back, would you apologize?

A: Oh, definitely. When my memory comes back, I will. But, you know, I black out and have black flashes sometimes.

Q: Is your memory about ready to come back?

A: Yeah, I mean, there was something.

Q: Three games into the season and here we go again.

A: Here we go again, huh? It's another season. If something like that did happen, then I do apologize. But, you know, if that fan was a little more professional, you know, I probably wouldn't have had to do that. If I would have been a little more professional, I wouldn't have put myself in this position. So, if I did do something like that, I do apologize, but, you know, frustration sets in sometimes and you do frustrating things.

Q: What did the guy say?

A: I don't know. Something petty. Something that happened yesterday that's over with. It's in the past, and all I got to do is look forward to my future.

Q: Was it anything racial?

A: I don't know, because I don't think there's a racist person in Portland, so I don't really want to go there.

Q: You talked before the season about being more mature. What happened?

A: You try, man. I tried, brother, but I'll tell you, I'm not going to be 100 percent perfect. I told you I'm going to have a 10 percent lapse sometimes.

Q: This is not going to come across well with the fans. Why not own up to your actions?

A: C'mon, man. Y'all can't keep baiting, man. You're not going to bait me into doing something or saying something retarded. I mean, it happened, it's over, and we lost the game. We play Memphis tomorrow. If y'all want to talk about Memphis, we can. Let's just get past this.

Q: So, there was an incident?

A: All right, thanks fellas.

Interview Link (http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/sports/1068037797276520.xml)

Not sure if I want someone like that on the Mavs, though I sure like the talent. Right now, the interview is hilarious b/c he's not on the Mavs, but if you have to read the same interview in the DMN and he plays for the Mavs, I can tell you, I won't be laughing.

MavsFanatik33
11-08-2003, 10:35 PM
What a dope that Bonzi is... please don't let him come here Cuban.
On the news they said that Cuban has denied even talking about the trade with Portland, I hope he's telling the truth.

Nash13
11-08-2003, 11:03 PM
The bac, what did Wells do to Finley?

Just211
11-08-2003, 11:04 PM
i remember wells intentially tripping fin. it was a very cheap shot

MavsFanFinley
11-08-2003, 11:08 PM
Fin was running up the middle and at the half court line Wells jumped in front of him. He sorta clipped his knee and Fin went down hard. He bounced right back up and was in Wells face. It was one of the dumbest moves I've ever seen.

I remember Fin saying after the game that they were friends, but friends don't pull that kind of thing on the court.

EricaLubarsky
11-08-2003, 11:18 PM
thebac- it may be a comment on his character but it doesnt change the situation. Cuban doesnt seem to care about chemistry- he is the ultimate businessman and he sees a good opportunity to pick up Wallace (and possibly Wells) when their stock is fairly low because of the campaigns for a nicer team in Portland.

here were my thoughts on Walker when he came

Did I want to see Walker here? no.
Is he a phenomenal talent? yes.
Will he help this team? who knows
What will happen to our chemistry? Who knows

and Wallace?

Do I want to see Wallace here? no.
Is he a phenomenal talent? yes.
Will he help this team? who knows
What will happen to our chemistry? Who knows

ReDIRKulous
11-08-2003, 11:41 PM
On the news they said that Cuban has denied even talking about the trade with Portland, I hope he's telling the truth.

Donnie does all the talking.... gotta watch Cuban... he is sneaky.

I don't know though.. if this is all just some baseless rumor I will be really pissed. I wonder why donnie hasn't commented? or Nellie?

thebac
11-08-2003, 11:43 PM
Nash13: What MFF said. I don't like it when someone risks a serious injury to another player for no good reason (especially if that other player is a Mav).

Erica: I totally agree with your assessment. I think it would be a huge talent upgrade and would bring toughness to the team. Low post defense, weak-side shotblocking, low post scoring by your SG, plus a SG who will probably need fewer looks than Fin. You trade two comparable players (Fin and Wells), and you get the one who's on his way up. You clearly upgrade on the other player (Jamison and Wallace). While Jamison has more upside and Wallace is two years older, Wallace is clearly better. Like you said, from a talent standpoint this trade is a no-brainer.

It's just that I don't like Wells much. I wouldn't mind Wallace because he'd actually fill a need, and I do think he's mostly misunderstood (though quite confused). In addition, Wallace clearly seems to have superstar potential still in him, and I don't see that in Jamison.

I like your analogy to the Walker trade, but I liked Walker, from what I had read about him, as a person. I don't like what I hear about Wells at all, and the interview, imo, captures pretty well what sort of person he is.

Of course, best-case scenario, both guys clean up their act, Wallace fulfills his potential, and the Mavs sweep the Lakers in the WCF this year and go on to win 5 straight championships. One can dream, right i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

FreshJive
11-08-2003, 11:44 PM
That interview proves nothing. That reporter was trying to piss Bonzi off to get an emotional response, rather than an apology to the fans. IMO Bonzi showed restraint by not biting on the reporter's cheap ruse.

thebac
11-08-2003, 11:51 PM
Originally posted by: FreshJive
That interview proves nothing. That reporter was trying to piss Bonzi off to get an emotional response, rather than an apology to the fans. IMO Bonzi showed restraint by not biting on the reporter's cheap ruse.

I agree that the reporter was trying to bait Bonzi, but

a) why did Bonzi flip off that fan to begin with?

b) he could have said something along the lines of "no comment" instead of some story about how he "blacked out."

Nash13
11-08-2003, 11:52 PM
On a semi-trade talk note, does anybody remember that infamous/controversial thread made by Mavs413 this summer? The one that sent Wallace to Dallas, but involved Atlanta too?

FreshJive
11-09-2003, 12:03 AM
I guess I just saw the black out story as Bonzi's silly way of saying no comment. By amusing himself he was able to diffuse his emotions. As far as flipping off the fan it was a stuoid thing to do, but who knows what the fan said. I have a feeling it may have been racial with the way he sarcastically responded that there are no racists in Portland.

EricaLubarsky
11-09-2003, 12:45 AM
*sigh*

if only I was a GM and personality didnt matter I would pickup Zach Randolph instead of those other sorry slobs.

Randolph and Stoudamire are the two best upcoming players who actually play lowpost offense and defense.

Thats what we really need- a center and at least one player who will play in the low post. Forget all this point-forward crap where Walker drives into the paint.... give me a 22-23 year old who's averaging 18.6 ppg 11.6rpg on 50% shooting in his 3rd year any day. He gets nearly 5 offensive boards a game! We wouldnt even need to feed him to get him scoring.

*wakes up from the day dream*

Dirkenstien
11-09-2003, 08:32 PM
I would love to have Randolph...and im sure cuban and nellie would too. Unfortunately portland doesnt want to be our next victim in being deprived of their best player..or for that matter, in some opinions their second best with potential to be best player. It wont happen