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Max Power
12-12-2003, 10:11 AM
I saw this trade on LMF and thought it was pretty good. Martin is a slam dunk as far as an upgrade in talent over Jamison but taking the contract of Zo is harsh. But that's the only reason New Jersey would consider it.

LRB
12-12-2003, 10:20 AM
I'd take Zo's contract in a heart beat if we could get Martin for Jamison.

Dirkenstien
12-12-2003, 11:58 AM
ok, unless we could stick Martin at the 3 then i dont do this, and even then i still dont like it because it keeps Dirk at the 5. Or we could put Dirk at the 4, Walker at the 3, and Martin at the 5 but with Martin only being 6'9" 234 he would be undersized...would it work? i dont know...how does Martin play against larger opponents in the post? His stats are there and I like the notion of having his attitude on this team..but ultimately would it be worth covering a players contract who will never play again.

uberfan
12-12-2003, 12:22 PM
Dirkenstein,

I share your concern with Martin at the 5, but we already have 2 guys with less ability at the 5. Ben Wallace is what, 6'9". So are Kurt Thomas and Brian Grant I think. True, they are all in the East, but my point is that his height alone would not necessarily be a deterent.

How has he done against Duncan, for instance? There are no Shaq stoppers. We need someone who can play against Duncan, Elton Brand, Garnett's, etc.

BTW, I thought Fortson was doing a nice job on Brand.

kg_veteran
12-12-2003, 12:44 PM
I'd think really hard about it.

Jamisonite
12-12-2003, 01:00 PM
i share dirkensteins concerns as well...but the more important thing that you guys havent touched on is this...Martins contract is up after this year...and there is no way in hell we could resign him and Nash. And with Martin i doubt we win a championship this year

LRB
12-12-2003, 01:18 PM
Martins contract is up after this year...and there is no way in hell we could resign him and Nash Why?

u2sarajevo
12-12-2003, 01:19 PM
Originally posted by: LRB

Martins contract is up after this year...and there is no way in hell we could resign him and Nash Why?

Nash we have the Larry Bird Exception right? So Martin would have to take a MLE?

Is that right?

grndmstr_c
12-12-2003, 01:23 PM
Mark has said that if the Mavs win the championship this year he'd sign AW to a long term contract. If he can afford to do that, he could afford to sign KMart to a long term contract. No reason to assume that money would be an obstacle.

I'd probably do this trade. We're just not using AJ, and at this point I've lost my optimism that that will change. KMart's a better defender/shot-blocker/rebounder, not as good at creating his own shot, his mid-range to outside jumper is roughly on par with AJ's. We'd have to start him, but I'd feel quite comfortable starting a lineup of Steve, Mike, AW, Dirk, and KMart, and I'd venture to say that lineup would be better than our current one. Not sure New Jersey would want to take on AJ's contract (since it's roughly the same as what KMart will be wanting next year, just with the first couple years already paid out), but they could sure use someone who can score in the half-court set.

Jamisonite
12-12-2003, 01:25 PM
Martin wont take the MLE hes gonna want a big time deal

seelenjaeger
12-12-2003, 01:32 PM
If you trade now for Martin, doesnt that give you his Bird rights aswell? Actually - iirc - Bird Rights (if there are any) are always owned by a team owning his contract, so only if we try to sign him away from another team we cannot execute em, ainīt we?

grndmstr_c
12-12-2003, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by: seelenjaeger
If you trade now for Martin, doesnt that give you his Bird rights aswell? Actually - iirc - Bird Rights (if there are any) are always owned by a team owning his contract, so only if we try to sign him away from another team we cannot execute em, ainīt we?

That's my understanding. I'm not aware of any reason outside of Mark becoming a miser that would prevent us from resigning him if we traded for him.

LRB
12-12-2003, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by: grndmstr_c

Originally posted by: seelenjaeger
If you trade now for Martin, doesnt that give you his Bird rights aswell? Actually - iirc - Bird Rights (if there are any) are always owned by a team owning his contract, so only if we try to sign him away from another team we cannot execute em, ainīt we?

That's my understanding. I'm not aware of any reason outside of Mark becoming a miser that would prevent us from resigning him if we traded for him.

I only think that Mark would not put up the money if he was getting poor performance on the court. In that case would we really want him back?

Chicago JK
12-12-2003, 03:10 PM
Very interesting Max. Boy that would be a tough one. I like Martin, but haven't watched the Nets this year.

SeriousSummer
12-12-2003, 03:31 PM
I hate to be cheap with Mark Cuban's money, but signing Martin & Nash & Walker and paying off the rest of Zo's uninsured contract plus the current deals with Finley, Dirk, Jamision, TAW, etc. is getting into very serious money.

And you're still weak in the pivot.

LRB
12-12-2003, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by: SeriousSummer
I hate to be cheap with Mark Cuban's money, but signing Martin & Nash & Walker and paying off the rest of Zo's uninsured contract plus the current deals with Finley, Dirk, Jamision, TAW, etc. is getting into very serious money.

And you're still weak in the pivot.

1. It is serious money, but Cubes can afford it.
2. He doesn't have to pay if the players don't produce on the court. Or could just offer a 1 year contract.
3. With a strong player like Martin in the front court, we could get by with a mediocre center by committee. We already have Bradley, if we can find an average spare 7' center to go with him we'd be fairly well set.

Walkerforthree
12-14-2003, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by: Max Power
I saw this trade on LMF and thought it was pretty good. Martin is a slam dunk as far as an upgrade in talent over Jamison but taking the contract of Zo is harsh. But that's the only reason New Jersey would consider it.

good call, lol