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Drbio
12-30-2003, 06:15 PM
I was just watching ESPNews and Chad Ford was on musing that the Knicks and Mavs are talking about a deal centered around Antonio McDyess and Jamison.

Where do they get this stuff?

Simon2
12-30-2003, 06:19 PM
If the Mavs do a Jamison for McDyess deal, that would make them worse than St. Jean and Ainge.

Max Power
12-30-2003, 06:23 PM
I don't know if I would. I have serious reservations about whether McDyess will ever be completely healthy again.

V
12-30-2003, 06:25 PM
I just posted this in another thread... if the Mavs are after McDyess my gut says it's to send him to Portland for Wallace...

The clock is ticking ... tic toc... tic toc...

V
12-30-2003, 06:27 PM
It's well documented that Thomas is enamored with Jamison's game...

McDyess is the expiring contract that Portland is looking for...

Maybe someone will run the numbers... will McDyess + Najera work for Wallace?

Nash13
12-30-2003, 06:29 PM
Why are we going after McDyess?

Regardless of his injury, he's a power forward. I don't think it's a very good idea.

Speedy
12-30-2003, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by: V
I just posted this in another thread... if the Mavs are after McDyess my gut says it's to send him to Portland for Wallace...

The clock is ticking ... tic toc... tic toc...

V, I was thinking the same thing. However Nash 13 is right, McDyess is a PF so that is puzzling. Maybe they could drop him off in Atl for SAR who is at least a sf/pf. I wouldn't mind sending Jamison/Najera/Delk to NY if we could send McDyess/Ward to Por for Wallace/McInnis.

grbh
12-30-2003, 06:57 PM
It would have to be tied in with Wallace. Whay would the Mavs want with McDyess.

Portland on the other hand gets an expiring contract, moves a problem player, and will be 7-8 million under the cap next year, annd about 30 under the following year.

Nash13
12-30-2003, 07:14 PM
Here you go:

Dallas trades: SF Antawn Jamison (15.6 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.1 apg in 29.6 minutes)
PF Danny Fortson (3.5 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 0.2 apg in 12.0 minutes)
SF Eduardo Najera (3.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 13.7 minutes)
PG Tony Delk (6.1 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 0.8 apg in 16.4 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Michael Doleac (4.3 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 13.7 minutes)
PG Jeff McInnis (12.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 5.3 apg in 32.7 minutes)
SF Rasheed Wallace (16.7 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 2.9 apg in 38.7 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +4.5 ppg, -3.8 rpg, and +6.2 apg.

New York trades: C Michael Doleac (4.3 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 13.7 minutes)
PG Charlie Ward (8.4 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 23.4 minutes)
PF Antonio McDyess (8.9 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.1 apg in 23.7 minutes)
New York receives: SF Antawn Jamison (15.6 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.1 apg in 29 games)
PF Danny Fortson (3.5 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 0.2 apg in 23 games)
SG Ruben Patterson (7.3 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.7 apg in 21 games)
Change in team outlook: +4.8 ppg, +2.7 rpg, and -3.4 apg.

Portland trades: PG Jeff McInnis (12.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 5.3 apg in 32.7 minutes)
SG Ruben Patterson (7.3 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.7 apg in 23.0 minutes)
SF Rasheed Wallace (16.7 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 2.9 apg in 38.7 minutes)
Portland receives: SF Eduardo Najera (3.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 28 games)
PG Tony Delk (6.1 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 0.8 apg in 24 games)
PG Charlie Ward (8.4 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 32 games)
PF Antonio McDyess (8.9 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.1 apg in 15 games)
Change in team outlook: -9.3 ppg, +1.1 rpg, and -2.8 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

V
12-30-2003, 07:16 PM
Thomas is already making moves

Weatherspoon to Houston for Amaechi & Norris

DISCUSSION THREAD (http://dallas-mavs.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=3&threadid=14372)

madape
12-30-2003, 10:07 PM
Dallas trades: SF Antawn Jamison (15.6 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.1 apg in 29.6 minutes)
SF Tariq Abdul-Wahad (15.6 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.1 apg in 29.6 minutes)
PF Danny Fortson (3.5 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 0.2 apg in 12.0 minutes)
SF Eduardo Najera (3.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 13.7 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Michael Doleac (4.3 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 13.7 minutes)
SF Keith Van Horn (16.2 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 1.6 apg in 34.7 minutes)
PF Antonio McDyess (8.9 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.1 apg in 23.7 minutes)
RIGHTS TO MILOS VUJANIC
Change in team outlook: +7.0 ppg, +2.7 rpg, and +1.5 apg.

New York trades: C Michael Doleac (4.3 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 13.7 minutes)
SF Keith Van Horn (16.2 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 1.6 apg in 34.7 minutes)
PF Antonio McDyess (8.9 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.1 apg in 23.7 minutes)
RIGHTS TO MILOS VUJANIC
New York receives: SF Antawn Jamison (15.6 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.1 apg in 29 games)
SF Tariq Abdul-Wahad (15.6 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.1 apg in 29 games)
PF Danny Fortson (3.5 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 0.2 apg in 23 games)
SF Eduardo Najera (3.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 28 games)
Change in team outlook: -7.0 ppg, -2.7 rpg, and -1.5 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

I would absolutely do that trade and laugh my ass off at the Knicks in the process.

madape
12-30-2003, 10:14 PM
Am I the only one that remembers what McDyess can do? Two years ago, he was a rebounding, shotblocking, low-post defending knightmare. If he can return to form, he's exactly what the Mavs need. Why not take a chance on him while his value is low? Let's get back on the McDyess train!

ddh33
12-30-2003, 10:53 PM
Usually I don't think much of Chad Ford, but he has broken some deals recently.
McDyess is an interesting name to be thrown out with these Mavs. In his prime, he might have been exactly what this team needs. However, it looks like injuries have almost ruined his career. I have a hard time believing he'll ever return to his old form. It seems more plausible to me that he would be used as a vehicle for this team to get something else. Obviously, a name like Rasheed is the first thing that comes to my mind - like most others posters.

My bigger question is what does this say about Jamison. Are the Mavs actively looking to move him? Is that what Antawn wants? All of this happens just when I thought this team might start to distance themselves from many of the rumors that have been floating around.

V
12-30-2003, 11:06 PM
Originally posted by: madape
Dallas trades: SF Antawn Jamison (15.6 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.1 apg in 29.6 minutes)
SF Tariq Abdul-Wahad (15.6 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.1 apg in 29.6 minutes)
PF Danny Fortson (3.5 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 0.2 apg in 12.0 minutes)
SF Eduardo Najera (3.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 13.7 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Michael Doleac (4.3 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 13.7 minutes)
SF Keith Van Horn (16.2 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 1.6 apg in 34.7 minutes)
PF Antonio McDyess (8.9 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.1 apg in 23.7 minutes)
RIGHTS TO MILOS VUJANIC
Change in team outlook: +7.0 ppg, +2.7 rpg, and +1.5 apg.

New York trades: C Michael Doleac (4.3 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 13.7 minutes)
SF Keith Van Horn (16.2 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 1.6 apg in 34.7 minutes)
PF Antonio McDyess (8.9 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.1 apg in 23.7 minutes)
RIGHTS TO MILOS VUJANIC
New York receives: SF Antawn Jamison (15.6 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.1 apg in 29 games)
SF Tariq Abdul-Wahad (15.6 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.1 apg in 29 games)
PF Danny Fortson (3.5 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 0.2 apg in 23 games)
SF Eduardo Najera (3.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 28 games)
Change in team outlook: -7.0 ppg, -2.7 rpg, and -1.5 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

I would absolutely do that trade and laugh my ass off at the Knicks in the process.

Doleac won't be included if anything is iminent. He was IL'd today.

V
12-30-2003, 11:15 PM
Not sure if you guys saw this from Chad Ford earlier today:

Several NBA GMs told Insider on Monday that Thomas' primary trade bait will be McDyess. McDyess is just now recovering from several knee surgeries. He's averaging 8.9 ppg and 6.7 rpg in 23.7 mpg in 15 games since his return. He's had occasional soreness in his knee, but for the most part he looks like he's playing his way back into shape.

McDyess makes a lot of money ($13.5 million), but he's in the last year of his contract, making him very attractive to a team trying to get further under the luxury tax. Thomas is looking for a younger, long, athletic center or forward in return (that pretty much counts out Zydrunas Ilgauskas for those of you still in Scott Layden mode).

The Hawks' Theo Ratliff, the Blazers' Rasheed Wallace, the Mavericks' Antawn Jamison and the Bucks' Tim Thomas are Thomas' most likely targets.

Ratliff ranks second in the league in blocks and has just two years left on his contract, making him an attractive fit. The Hawks are in cap-dump mode right now, and Ratliff is expendable.

To get Wallace, Thomas would have to throw Kurt Thomas or Ward into the deal to make the salaries work. The Blazers are desperate to move Wallace but won't take back anything that hurts their cap long term. Would James Dolan, who claims he wanted to clean up the Knicks, really take on Wallace?

Jamison is an interesting option. He's locked into a long-term deal and may duplicate what Van Horn does on the court, but Thomas is a fan. The Mavs would insist on getting the draft rights to young point guard Milos Vujanic as part of any deal for Jamison. Given that Thomas hasn't shown any real fondness for international players, will that be a big loss?

Tim Thomas is the most questionable of the group. He's never quite fit into a position with the Bucks, though he is putting up the best numbers of his career this season. The problem for the Knicks is that he's locked in for two more seasons at numbers he just doesn't merit. Moving Thomas for McDyess would put the Bucks well under the cap for next season.

Isiah also is willing to trade Ward now that Williams looks ready to take over, though he's just as willing to cut him by Jan. 15 and get $4 million in cap relief for the team.

Big trades like these don't happen overnight, and most GMs think nothing will happen until next week at the earliest. Thomas is still trying to get a feel for how his players are valued around the league. He's still smarting over the Nets landing Griffin and vows that his most important task is changing the image of the franchise.

V
12-30-2003, 11:25 PM
Originally posted by: madape
Am I the only one that remembers what McDyess can do? Two years ago, he was a rebounding, shotblocking, low-post defending knightmare. If he can return to form, he's exactly what the Mavs need. Why not take a chance on him while his value is low? Let's get back on the McDyess train!

I remember the old Dice... and oh lordy was he awesome to watch. Has anyone heard if the docs expect him to regain his athleticism? It's cliearly going to take time, as former teamates point out, he's not close to the old Dice... yet.

''He is not nearly as explosive,'' said Nuggets forward Ryan Bowen, a former teammate of McDyess' in Denver. ''From a couple of plays, a spinout lob, he would always be way up and dunk the ball. But I think he has really adjusted well to what he can do and can't do. You can tell that sometimes he wants to do something, but he just can't do it yet. It will be interesting to see just how much of his explosiveness he can get back.''

LRB
12-31-2003, 10:17 AM
If we could get McDyess and get him back close to where he was athletically, it would be an awesome steal. I just doubt whether he'll ever recover to be close to where he was.

sike
12-31-2003, 11:40 AM
my head hurts

uberfan
12-31-2003, 12:11 PM
Originally posted by: Nash13
Here you go:

Dallas trades: SF Antawn Jamison (15.6 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.1 apg in 29.6 minutes)
PF Danny Fortson (3.5 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 0.2 apg in 12.0 minutes)
SF Eduardo Najera (3.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 13.7 minutes)
PG Tony Delk (6.1 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 0.8 apg in 16.4 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Michael Doleac (4.3 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 13.7 minutes)
PG Jeff McInnis (12.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 5.3 apg in 32.7 minutes)
SF Rasheed Wallace (16.7 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 2.9 apg in 38.7 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +4.5 ppg, -3.8 rpg, and +6.2 apg.

New York trades: C Michael Doleac (4.3 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 13.7 minutes)
PG Charlie Ward (8.4 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 23.4 minutes)
PF Antonio McDyess (8.9 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.1 apg in 23.7 minutes)
New York receives: SF Antawn Jamison (15.6 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.1 apg in 29 games)
PF Danny Fortson (3.5 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 0.2 apg in 23 games)
SG Ruben Patterson (7.3 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.7 apg in 21 games)
Change in team outlook: +4.8 ppg, +2.7 rpg, and -3.4 apg.

Portland trades: PG Jeff McInnis (12.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 5.3 apg in 32.7 minutes)
SG Ruben Patterson (7.3 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.7 apg in 23.0 minutes)
SF Rasheed Wallace (16.7 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 2.9 apg in 38.7 minutes)
Portland receives: SF Eduardo Najera (3.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 28 games)
PG Tony Delk (6.1 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 0.8 apg in 24 games)
PG Charlie Ward (8.4 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 32 games)
PF Antonio McDyess (8.9 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.1 apg in 15 games)
Change in team outlook: -9.3 ppg, +1.1 rpg, and -2.8 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED


I think I like this trade. It works well for all 3 teams. Dallas is stronger because we get solid backups at PG and C. Our starting front line is Dirk/Wallace/Walker with Bradley and Doleac taking some time at 5. Dirk/Wallace/Walker all take turns at PF which gives us depth there. SF is OK as well.

Bringing in Fortson helps the Knicks. Portland gets to buy out Ward, audition McDyess.

jayC
01-04-2004, 03:41 PM
At one time McDyess was one of the leagues premier powerforward's with a heck of a future.