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XERXES
01-08-2004, 10:46 PM
I thought (with the trade deadline in the not too distant future) we might create an "inventory list" of teams that have have a surplus of 4's and 5's - Guys who would clearly be considered a 5 in Dallas. I believe that Big Men are at a premium and it is most likely that anybody we deal with (if we deal at all) will have depth...

I haven't thought this through - I'm doing it off the cuff...I need some help.

Detroit: Wallace, Okur, Darco, Campbell

Cleveland: Diop, Big Z, Battie

Phoenix: Stoudamire, Lampe, McDyess, White, Voskul

Atlanta: Mohammed, Ratliff, Abdur-Rahim

Who am I forgetting? Who is loaded with Bigs?

ddh33
01-08-2004, 10:52 PM
Washington comes to mind: Haywood, Brown, E. Thomas, J.Jeffries (if you call him that), Laettner

Ummmmm Ok
01-09-2004, 07:19 AM
How about Chicago with Curry, Davis, Chandler

MightyToine
01-09-2004, 12:54 PM
What about Zelcko(sp?) Rebraca?? He's on the Pistons, I think. i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

XERXES
01-09-2004, 01:53 PM
The more I look at it- I think it is obvious that the deepest teams (with productive or potentially productive big men) are:

Phoenix and Detroit.

Let's make a deal...

V
01-09-2004, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by: ddh33
Washington comes to mind: Haywood, Brown, E. Thomas, J.Jeffries (if you call him that), Laettner

I like some combination of Brown & Hughes for Delk + Fortson Wahad or Najera

Hughes is clearly out of favor in Washington:

Washington Times

There is no worse sight on Fun Street than Larry Hughes in the open floor.
Hughes sees the floor like a carriage-pulling horse with blinders.
He sees nothing but the tiny space in front of his feet.
Hughes is not too good in math, either.
He can't count past one and he can't see the traffic in front of him, which is an awful combination for a guard.
Hughes has refined the habit of turning a 3-on-1 fastbreak opportunity into a player-control foul. It could be argued he is becoming more frenetic with age.
The hearts in the stands often beat faster as soon as Hughes gathers momentum on a foray to the basket.
"Uh-oh," is the collective cry, followed by a whistle, a groan and a march in the opposite direction.
There is no subtlety on a Hughes-inspired trek to nowhere. There is only a misguided urgency to barrel into a body and hoist the ball toward the basket in an awkward fashion.
The suspicion persists that if it were just Hughes and an open basket, he would feel compelled to drag an innocent spectator onto the court in order to have someone accept the charge.
Hughes picked the wrong game to have an obsession with physical contact. Basketball, at its best, is a game steeped in nuance and pacing. Those who play at only breakneck speed are sentenced to be less than what they could be.
Hughes, in his sixth NBA season, is not unlike Wile E. Coyote. He works himself into a lather, only to be unaware of the boulder that is hurtling toward his body.
Hughes ought to play the game in a crash helmet, with the Red Cross symbol stenciled to his jersey.
He drives to the basket, bodies go to the floor, and the referees put down roadside flares before sifting through the wreckage.
If the venue were different, Hughes would merit a sobriety test.
Hughes just might add the stiff-arm to his repertoire one of these seasons.
He plays that hard. He just does not play with a sense of equanimity.
Hughes has one dictum: "Get out of my way."
He has the incriminating numbers to confirm it: 87 fouls and 80 turnovers vs. 76 assists in 31 games.
Eddie Jordan, the coach who is attempting to be selected the NBA Saint of the Year, lurks on the sidelines with a jug of Maalox stuffed in one pocket and a bottle of aspirin in the other.
"He's going to play," Jordan said yesterday after the Wizards fell to the Bucks 100-94 and Hughes displayed all his worst proclivities. "It's as simple as that."
Hughes missed 17 shots in a row at one point in the game, proving that two can play the itchy-trigger game favored by Juan Dixon.
Jordan said he asked Hughes if he were physically tired, if not tired of missing shots and open teammates.
His right elbow undoubtedly needed to be iced after the game.
"I have to live with that," Jordan said, which is no way to live. "That is the personnel we have."
The personnel is mercurial to a fault, though no fault of Jordan's. The ill-fated pass has become one symbol of the turnover-addled team, an anxiety-riddled fourth quarter the other.
The personnel sometimes dissolves into 12 separate agendas. Even the pregame shoot-around can be fraught with potential drama, as it was with Gilbert Arenas, benched after Arenas Standard Time bumped up against Jordan's Eastern Standard Time.
The Wizards lost their way in the third quarter after neglecting to follow the tenets of their offense. They pieced together enough mindless possessions to let the Bucks begin to wrest control of the proceedings.
Jordan's ever-growing fondness with Steve Blake is an admission that the point of the rest of the point guards is blunted because of manic-depressive mood swings.
Blake, the rookie from Maryland who appears to be the long, lost younger brother of Eminem, sticks to Jordan's playbook and eschews the hissy fit. The latter quality is not unimportant, given the volatile nature of the team's leading player who is usually in charge of the offense.
Down three points, Arenas missed a shot at one end of the floor, then picked up both a personal foul and a technical foul at the other end with one minute left.
Hughes added one more bad shot in transition to complete the team's latest fall.

Max Power
01-09-2004, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by: V
I like some combination of Brown & Hughes for Delk + Fortson Wahad or Najera.

Why Brown? He has potential but he hasn't realized any of it yet. He is averaging a half block a game this year in 24+ minutes per game. Granted your proposal gets him cheap but he isn't going to help us this season. Just another guy to sit on the end of the bench next to Stefansson.

V
01-09-2004, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by: Max Power

Originally posted by: V
I like some combination of Brown & Hughes for Delk + Fortson Wahad or Najera.

Why Brown? He has potential but he hasn't realized any of it yet. He is averaging a half block a game this year in 24+ minutes per game. Granted your proposal gets him cheap but he isn't going to help us this season. Just another guy to sit on the end of the bench next to Stefansson.

Couple of reasons... I really only like Brown if we're talking about one of the gettable younger tier two bigs. He's only 21 years old, according to some he really stands about 7 foot 270lbs, & worst case he has a Joe Smith type career.

There are plenty of other tier two guys that could help e.g. Skinner, Blount, Ervin Johnson, Rebraca, Ratliff, A Davis, Drobnjak, J James, J White etc., but those guys either arent gettable (Johnson); the Mavs may have to give up too much to get them (Ratliff); or they suck (Drobnjak)

That said, I'm leaning toward a serviceable big with some potential which leads me to Diop, Haywood, Mihm, Brown, Curry, Doleac, Foster, Chris Anderson, Nazr M, Okur, Gadzuric, Dalembert, Ely, Borchardt, Santiago, etc...

Of those guys he tops the list of guys I like & who may be gettable...

For detail on "Why Brown" I will quote a PM from ddh33:


Kwame Brown is a young guy who looks like he needs a change of scenery. I've always thought he the potential to be a Jermaine O'Neal type player. I don't know if he ever reaches that point now, but I still think he could be a good fit. As a Wizards fan, I can tell you that he is bigger than he is listed. Right now, they say he goes at 7'0 270. That's a big man. But he also has the quickness to guard most 4s. For that reason, I think he would be a great fit here next to Dirk. Just tell him that all he has to do is block shots, rebound, run the floor, and flash to the post. That alone should be able to get you 10 pts, 8 reb, 2 blocks a game. With that kind of versatility, I would almost kill for him. However, he's probably a little expensive, and Washington may want to wait and see what they have. Although, I have heard some rumors that he may be available for the right price.

V
01-09-2004, 07:11 PM
By the way... I think it may be much harder to get Brown than Delk / Fortson... the Wiz probably want cap room in return and a number one pick... maybe a three way deal could land him? Maybe the Mavs would have to take Laettner back?

Anyway - no easy answers, I'm afraid...

Max Power
01-09-2004, 09:21 PM
It was just confusing because most trades in this section are geared to helping the Mavs win NOW where this trade's effects will be only known down the road. I'm not against Brown but he's NOT going to help this team NOW. And the fact that he's not a shot blocker means that he probably won't help much later.

BTW I'd LOVE IT if L8 somehow comes back to the Mavs.

Turkey
01-10-2004, 12:26 PM
I prefer Haywood over stephania

jmiles65
01-10-2004, 08:00 PM
Spurs: Duncan, Rasho, Rose, Willis

FilthyFinMavs
01-10-2004, 11:24 PM
Just because teams are deep with big men why do you guys think they will trade them? Look at what the Spurs did with 4 big men. You can never have to many big man however you can have to many scorers who don't commit to defense.

sike
01-11-2004, 04:07 PM
if we trade with the Wiz, I would want Haywood...decent right now, and potential out the butt!