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zanahale
01-10-2004, 04:32 AM
Some folks on a Portland Forum (http://www.oregonlive.com/forums/blazers/ (keyword "Dallas") are talking about how they would prefer a trade with Dallas involving Dale Davis and Rasheed Wallace for Antoine Walker and Antawn Jamison. Alot of the posters there think they will most likely do a trade with Dallas since they think New York doesn't have anything to offer. It works on realgm. Would you guys consider this trade?


Dallas trades: SF Antawn Jamison (15.3 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.1 apg in 29.7 minutes)
PF Antoine Walker (17.1 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.1 apg in 37.9 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Dale Davis (6.1 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.4 apg in 28.3 minutes)
SF Rasheed Wallace (16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.6 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -9.5 ppg, -3.0 rpg, and -2.1 apg.

Portland trades: C Dale Davis (6.1 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.4 apg in 28.3 minutes)
SF Rasheed Wallace (16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.6 minutes)
Portland receives: SF Antawn Jamison (15.3 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.1 apg in 34 games)
PF Antoine Walker (17.1 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.1 apg in 34 games)
Change in team outlook: +9.5 ppg, +3.0 rpg, and +2.1 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Kenny_01
01-10-2004, 09:51 AM
http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/44773.htm

LOOKING FOR ANSWERS:
While Isiah Thomas continues to try to make more adjustments to Knick roster, the club's newest savior, Stephon Marbury (above), has been less-than-stellar in two losses since coming over from Phoenix.

January 10, 2004 -- Don Chaney was allowed to run another practice while Isiah Thomas stayed holed up in his office yesterday at the Knicks' Westchester campus. The Stephon Marbury blockbuster has not yet proved the answer, and Thomas was trying to figure out which button to press to get his club out of its ongoing mess.
The Knicks' new boss was attempting to make Rasheed Wallace a Knick, but talks with Portland broke down yesterday and the Blazers' bad-boy power forward appeared headed to Dallas as part of a package for Antawn Jamison, sources said.

DNNF
01-10-2004, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by: Kenny_01
http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/44773.htm

LOOKING FOR ANSWERS:
While Isiah Thomas continues to try to make more adjustments to Knick roster, the club's newest savior, Stephon Marbury (above), has been less-than-stellar in two losses since coming over from Phoenix.

January 10, 2004 -- Don Chaney was allowed to run another practice while Isiah Thomas stayed holed up in his office yesterday at the Knicks' Westchester campus. The Stephon Marbury blockbuster has not yet proved the answer, and Thomas was trying to figure out which button to press to get his club out of its ongoing mess.
The Knicks' new boss was attempting to make Rasheed Wallace a Knick, but talks with Portland broke down yesterday and the Blazers' bad-boy power forward appeared headed to Dallas as part of a package for Antawn Jamison, sources said.

I rather trade Walker instead of jamison. But as of right now, this team need to get rid of 1 of the two 'tawn. At least Jamison's game is inside games. Although, he doesn't play much of defense, but he would get all of those lose balls on the offensive end.

scorched03
01-10-2004, 11:32 AM
at this pt i'd take anyone tall, tough, and can freaking hold ground on defense .
what happened to all the assistant coaches? can't any of them teach proper defense or hire a defensive specialist coach like bill russell (haha impossible though)

PiusDoe
01-10-2004, 12:30 PM
The recent news on this HAS come from the NY Post...so I wouldn't put too much faith in it. Besides, most of our trades happen out of the blue, so its more likely we won't hear a damn thing about a trade before it happens, if it does. I would be more interested in finding smaller trades in order to acquire help at the center position. However, if one of the Ants need to go, it it going to be Jamison. Part of me likes Jamison more than Walker, but realistically Walker is not going to be traded. Nellie is in love with him, and rightly so. His ball handling and passing amaze me for a player his size. Defensively, Jamison doesn't have an advantage over Walker. Offensively, the only advantage Jamison has is his tendency to work down low more and the fact that Walker clunks a lot of threes. When actually working down low, however, Walker's playmaking abilities really come to light. It is up to the Nellie to make Walker increase his play in the paint. Still, if we are to do any trade for Rasheed, this is the only trade I consider.

Dallas trades:
PG Tony Delk
(6.6 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 16.7 minutes) *
PG Tariq Abdul-Wahad
(6.6 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 16.7 minutes) *
SF Antawn Jamison
(15.3 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.1 apg in 29.7 minutes)
Dallas receives:
PG Jeff McInnis
(12.1 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 5.5 apg in 33.3 minutes)*
SF Rasheed Wallace
(16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.6 minutes)

Change in team outlook: +7.0 ppg, +0.3 rpg, and +6.2 apg.


Portland trades:
PG Jeff McInnis
(12.1 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 5.5 apg in 33.3 minutes)
SF Rasheed Wallace
(16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.6 minutes)

Portland receives:
PG Tony Delk
(6.6 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 26 games)
PG Tariq Abdul-Wahad
(6.6 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 26 games)
SF Antawn Jamison
(15.3 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.1 apg in 34 games)

Change in team outlook: -7.0 ppg, -0.3 rpg, and -6.2 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Rasheed's offense is obviously at the very least equal to Jamison's. His defense is certainly better. And while not a center, he is 6'11" and I would much rather see him playing center than Dirk. This also very much forces the Mavericks to start their best players, as the matchups are more favorable and I can't see a single player taking on a lesser role the way Jamison did. Jeff McInnis gives us big time bonafide backup to Nash. He's a bigger point guard who can play D, make plays and score on his own. And we ditch TAW's contract and roster spot to sign another C stiff or keep it open in hopes that Sabonis might want to play. If you prefer Delk over McInnis...then just strike that from the trade and it still works in our favor.

Why does Portland do it? I don't know why the hell they're going to do anything with Sheed. The Blazers are clearly not going anywhere this year...so they may as well ride out his contract...either clear cap space...or work him in a sign and trade at the end of the year when his contract can be more manageable. That said...if they're looking to trade with us...this is the only trade that we should consider.

seelenjaeger
01-10-2004, 12:40 PM
Why does Portland ship Wallace ->

Portland is that far over the Salary Cap, that even by Clearing the Wallace conctract off the books wonīt create any capspace. So they risk loosing him for a warm handshake and some smelly smoke ...

Why is Dallas shopping Jamison instead of Walker ->

Walker has the higher trade value. Why? Because his contract expires sooner, and - opposite to Jamison - he plays "some" defense. Trading away Jamison would give the Mavs more flelixbility if it doesnt work, since both Walker and Wallace will come off the books soon. Then again, if the Mavs are not at least eyeing a sign-and-trade in the summer, Wallace needs to be paid aswell ...

V
01-10-2004, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by: zanahale
Some folks on a Portland Forum (http://www.oregonlive.com/forums/blazers/ (keyword "Dallas") are talking about how they would prefer a trade with Dallas involving Dale Davis and Rasheed Wallace for Antoine Walker and Antawn Jamison. Alot of the posters there think they will most likely do a trade with Dallas since they think New York doesn't have anything to offer. It works on realgm. Would you guys consider this trade?


Dallas trades: SF Antawn Jamison (15.3 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.1 apg in 29.7 minutes)
PF Antoine Walker (17.1 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.1 apg in 37.9 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Dale Davis (6.1 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.4 apg in 28.3 minutes)
SF Rasheed Wallace (16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.6 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -9.5 ppg, -3.0 rpg, and -2.1 apg.

Portland trades: C Dale Davis (6.1 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.4 apg in 28.3 minutes)
SF Rasheed Wallace (16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.6 minutes)
Portland receives: SF Antawn Jamison (15.3 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.1 apg in 34 games)
PF Antoine Walker (17.1 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.1 apg in 34 games)
Change in team outlook: +9.5 ppg, +3.0 rpg, and +2.1 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

The best part of that forum is the praise Josh Howard is getting. The love him... and they want him to be included in the trade. Nice to see Howard getting some national recognition from the common fan.

Too band there's no way Donnie includes Howard in any deal with the Blazers.

LRB
01-10-2004, 01:07 PM
Why is Dallas shopping Jamison instead of Walker ->

Great point SJ. I would much rather see Walker go than Jamison. Jamison's D is horrendous, but I feel with the right coach he can be taught to play decent D. I don't know if Walker can be taught not to disrupt the Dallas offense with his dumbass showboating ways no matter who is coach.

Jamisonite
01-10-2004, 02:04 PM
Portland trades: SF Rasheed Wallace (16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.6 minutes)
C Dale Davis (6.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.5 apg in 28.3 minutes)
PG Jeff McInnis (12.2 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 5.3 apg in 33.4 minutes)
C Vladimir Stepania (2.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.6 apg in 10.8 minutes)
Portland receives: SF Antawn Jamison (15.4 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.0 apg in 29.9 minutes)
PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
PF Tariq Abdul-Wahad (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -5.9 ppg, -2.6 rpg, and -4.1 apg.

Dallas trades: SF Antawn Jamison (15.4 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.0 apg in 29.9 minutes)
PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
PF Tariq Abdul-Wahad (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
Dallas receives: SF Rasheed Wallace (16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 33 games)
C Dale Davis (6.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.5 apg in 32 games)
PG Jeff McInnis (12.2 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 5.3 apg in 34 games)
C Vladimir Stepania (2.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.6 apg in 30 games)
Change in team outlook: +5.9 ppg, +2.6 rpg, and +4.1 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

or

Dallas trades: PG Tony Delk (6.5 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 16.9 minutes)
PG Tariq Abdul-Wahad (6.5 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 16.9 minutes)
SF Antawn Jamison (15.4 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.0 apg in 29.9 minutes)
PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Vladimir Stepania (2.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.6 apg in 10.8 minutes)
PG Jeff McInnis (12.2 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 5.3 apg in 33.4 minutes)
C Dale Davis (6.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.5 apg in 28.3 minutes)
SF Rasheed Wallace (16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.6 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -0.6 ppg, +0.5 rpg, and +3.2 apg.

Portland trades: C Vladimir Stepania (2.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.6 apg in 10.8 minutes)
PG Jeff McInnis (12.2 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 5.3 apg in 33.4 minutes)
C Dale Davis (6.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.5 apg in 28.3 minutes)
SF Rasheed Wallace (16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.6 minutes)
Portland receives: PG Tony Delk (6.5 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 27 games)
PG Tariq Abdul-Wahad (6.5 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 27 games)
SF Antawn Jamison (15.4 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.0 apg in 35 games)
PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 35 games)
Change in team outlook: +0.6 ppg, -0.5 rpg, and -3.2 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

I like riding us of Delk as well cuz we save more money and we dont need 4 pgs

Rotation

C Davis/Bradley/Stephania/Fortson
PFi/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gifirk/Sheed/Fortson/Najera
SF/Sheed/Howard/Dirk/Fin
SG Fin/Howard/McInnis
PGNash/McInnis/Best

Jamisonite
01-10-2004, 02:06 PM
If we are gonna give them both Twins then we better get a lil more...i also stand firm that if we are getting Sheed we better be giving up TAW

ddh33
01-10-2004, 02:28 PM
I'll chime in with my $.02 and say that IF Rasheed comes to Dallas, we need to send Walker to Portland. Trading Jamison for Wallace pigoen-holes our starting line-up and forces Josh to the bench. Call it a hunch, but I could also see Rasheed and Antoine butting heads in the same lockerroom.

I would just rather keep the Carolina kids together. I think they could get along better and allow Josh to continue to grow into what we think he can be.

MavsFanFinley
01-10-2004, 02:29 PM
I don't like the idea of sending both Jamison and Walker to Portland. Especially taking the chance that Wallace bolts after this season. I believe Davis only has 1 season after this, but I think he'd like playing in Dallas. And unless Portland wants to move Randolph to center, either Jamison or Walker will be coming off the bench there. Not our problem, but I don't see Portland wanting this new headache.

A couple trades that work are:

Jamison/TAW/Najera for Wallace/McInnis

or

Jamison/TAW for Wallace

or

Jamison/TAW/Delk for Wallace/McInnis

MightyToine
01-10-2004, 02:46 PM
All signs point to Jamison being the one who goes(IF there is a big trade). Nellie would sooner go on a Diet than "get rid" of the Point-forward he's been looking for since forever....



Walker stays.


end of story. [ or I could be wrong? i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif ]

Dirkenstien
01-10-2004, 02:52 PM
We're having enough problems as it is. The last thing we need to be worrying about is a mentally unstable Rasheed Wallace.

uberfan
01-10-2004, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by: MightyToine
All signs point to Jamison being the one who goes(IF there is a big trade). Nellie would sooner go on a Diet than "get rid" of the Point-forward he's been looking for since forever....



Walker stays.


end of story. [ or I could be wrong? i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif ]

Two points.

1) Wallace could be a point forward.
2) Marc Stein said on ESPN radio this morning that Portland does not want Jamison at this point in time.

Walker goes if there is a deal done with Portland.

kg_veteran
01-10-2004, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by: uberfan

Originally posted by: MightyToine
All signs point to Jamison being the one who goes(IF there is a big trade). Nellie would sooner go on a Diet than "get rid" of the Point-forward he's been looking for since forever....



Walker stays.


end of story. [ or I could be wrong? i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif ]

Two points.

1) Wallace could be a point forward.
2) Marc Stein said on ESPN radio this morning that Portland does not want Jamison at this point in time.

Walker goes if there is a deal done with Portland.

Personally, I think Dallas has started the negotiations by offering Jamison but would be (and certainly should be) willing to offer Walker to get Wallace.

DNNF
01-10-2004, 02:58 PM
I don't see the reason why Portland would want jamison. He has the big longterm contract. They are trying to get rid of Sheed and dump the salary. Would be really stupid to take back a big longterm salary in return.

MightyToine
01-10-2004, 03:07 PM
I don't care what anyone says. Walker will stay.

DNNF
01-10-2004, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by: MightyToine
I don't care what anyone says. Walker will stay.


We can say what we want, but deep down, Walker will stay since Nellie loves his E.T. face i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

DaMavs
01-10-2004, 03:34 PM
I'll feel really bad for Jamison if he goes, he's been saying how finally he's going to get to play in playoffs. He is one of the good guys in this league.

Jamisonite
01-10-2004, 03:37 PM
Ya...one of the few good ones...that is why we need to keep him

MightyToine
01-10-2004, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by: Jamisonite
Ya...one of the few good ones...that is why we need to keep him

And that is why Portland wants him instead of Walker. i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif



Walker is not a bad person either, actually but I think Walker's reputation ON THE COURT precedes him...

Jamisonite
01-10-2004, 03:52 PM
Walkers whinny selfish attitude is getting on my nerves...hes not exactly a bad person but hes whinny as hell and hes even more selfish then he is whinny

MightyToine
01-10-2004, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by: Jamisonite
Walkers whinny selfish attitude is getting on my nerves...hes not exactly a bad person but hes whinny as hell and hes even more selfish then he is whinny

NYAH, NYAH, NYAH! i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif


Can I have more cheese, please? i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

kg_veteran
01-10-2004, 04:25 PM
Originally posted by: MightyToine

Originally posted by: Jamisonite
Walkers whinny selfish attitude is getting on my nerves...hes not exactly a bad person but hes whinny as hell and hes even more selfish then he is whinny

NYAH, NYAH, NYAH! i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif


Can I have more cheese, please? i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

Try and stay on topic.

MightyToine
01-10-2004, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by: kg_veteran

Originally posted by: MightyToine

Originally posted by: Jamisonite
Walkers whinny selfish attitude is getting on my nerves...hes not exactly a bad person but hes whinny as hell and hes even more selfish then he is whinny

NYAH, NYAH, NYAH! i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif


Can I have more cheese, please? i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

Try and stay on topic.

Okay, KG.

WHAT whiny and selfish attitude?

You mean where he claps for the ball and goes 'woooo' like ric flair during games? i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif


That's not selfishness....That's "Give me the ball so I can make something happen"...

jayC
01-10-2004, 04:58 PM
He's by far the most talented player available via trade. He has the length to guard Duncan and KG. If defense is a premium on this team and Walker is the better defender then Jamison he should stay.

MightyToine
01-10-2004, 05:10 PM
Originally posted by: jayC
He's by far the most talented player available via trade. He has the length to guard Duncan and KG. If defense is a premium on this team and Walker is the better defender then Jamison he should stay.

THANK YOU, jayC!


Now the trading deadline is about a Month and 9 days away.....A lot could happen between that time and now...

grndmstr_c
01-10-2004, 05:30 PM
I wouldn't trade both Antwins unless it was a serious no-brainer. Trading both of them for Wallace and Davis does not qualify, IMO.

mavs_afroman
01-10-2004, 06:04 PM
I would love to trade Walker for Rasheed and Jamison for someone like Ratliff but that is probably too much of a shake up.

However I would NOT tade Jamison for Rasheed. Seeing Antoine and Rasheed on one court together scares the crap out of me. I wouldn't think twice though about trading Walker for Rasheed. No more point forward and we get a player with a really good post game.

uberfan
01-10-2004, 07:55 PM
Here's my version of a possible trade scenario. I would love to have McInnis but don't think Portland would move him.

Walker and Delk turned into Wallace and TAW into Patterson. TAW and Patterson's contract are a wash as to length and size, and it let's Portland move Patterson and still get a decent defensive SG/SF swingman in return. Delk can play Anderson's role for Portalnd when Anderson is on the IL.

Walker gives them a good forward to work with Randolf. His contract ends in 2005 when Stoudamire and other contracts end.



Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
PF Tariq Abdul-Wahad (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
PG Tony Delk (6.5 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 16.9 minutes)
Dallas receives: SG Ruben Patterson (6.7 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.6 apg in 22.6 minutes)
SF Rasheed Wallace (16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.6 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +0.3 ppg, -0.9 rpg, and -1.6 apg.

Portland trades: SG Ruben Patterson (6.7 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.6 apg in 22.6 minutes)
SF Rasheed Wallace (16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.6 minutes)
Portland receives: PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 35 games)
PF Tariq Abdul-Wahad (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 35 games)
PG Tony Delk (6.5 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 27 games)
Change in team outlook: -0.3 ppg, +0.9 rpg, and +1.6 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Nash13
01-10-2004, 09:00 PM
I would be on cloud nine if Portland did that trade uber. Walker/Delk/Wahad make a combined 20 million, give or take a million. And if Rasheed were traded and went to another team after the season, we would probably be save 16 or 17 million dollars. That would put our cap around 58 million. And Walker could opt out at season's end, and they could buy out Delk, leaving only Wahad. So it would work out for both teams.

Dirkenstien
01-10-2004, 09:57 PM
I dont see where Walker is selfish and whinny? imo hes just a strong competitor that wants to wins as much if not more than all the others. He stands up for himself and pledges his case to the refs if he feels they've made a mistake.

I dont see this as being selfish or whinny. It seems he's just doing everything possible to place himself as well as his team in a position to give his team a W, which in my opinion is far better than having a passive attitude on the court.

EricaLubarsky
01-10-2004, 10:49 PM
I think that Portland may be the only team out there that would take TAWs contract and it is because of the community outcry against "thuggish players". No one else in the league would take TAW with his contract. He is a half to one mil player with multiple-multiple million dollar years ahead of him. If you are rebuilding you dont want him because his contract lasts so long. If you aren't rebuilding you wouldnt trade with TAW because players that match his money are going to be quality players.
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Also I like Jamison too much to be stuck with the portland squad. It would be horrible for such a quality guy to be stuck in Portland.

MavsFanFinley
01-10-2004, 11:23 PM
Mavs Deny Rumors (http://www.dallasbasketball.com/headline_b.asp?pr=)

Here's the link to the dallasbasketball.com story about the latest rumors out of NY and the Mavs denying them.

Maybe it is nothing but another round or rumors, but strange Delk is back to getting a lot of playing time and that TAW has returned to the team.

aexchange
01-10-2004, 11:30 PM
i have a feelings its going to go down.

makes too much sense for dallas. we may have to part with some additional character guys and take on some trash to make the deal work however.

Fidel
01-10-2004, 11:50 PM
Originally posted by: Kenny_01
http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/44773.htm

LOOKING FOR ANSWERS:
While Isiah Thomas continues to try to make more adjustments to Knick roster, the club's newest savior, Stephon Marbury (above), has been less-than-stellar in two losses since coming over from Phoenix.

January 10, 2004 -- Don Chaney was allowed to run another practice while Isiah Thomas stayed holed up in his office yesterday at the Knicks' Westchester campus. The Stephon Marbury blockbuster has not yet proved the answer, and Thomas was trying to figure out which button to press to get his club out of its ongoing mess.
The Knicks' new boss was attempting to make Rasheed Wallace a Knick, but talks with Portland broke down yesterday and the Blazers' bad-boy power forward appeared headed to Dallas as part of a package for Antawn Jamison, sources said.
Please dear god no. I donīt know if I could be a fan of a mavericks squad that featured Walker AND Wallace. Walker alone makes it hard enough.

V
01-10-2004, 11:51 PM
Link to Oregonian beat writer Jason Quick discussing why Sheed will be traded soon

EDIT - link doesn't work...

To find the audio file go HERE (http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/jason_quick/index.ssf?/live/blazers/quick_010804.frame)

and click on Clip 3

EricaLubarsky
01-11-2004, 02:13 AM
Originally posted by: aexchange
i have a feelings its going to go down.

makes too much sense for dallas. we may have to part with some additional character guys and take on some trash to make the deal work however.

Makes too much sense in a statistical way but it could be Nellie's last move if he makes it. Thats good for those on the board that want Nellie to leave as there is no way that Nellie handles Wallace from what I hear.

MightyToine
01-11-2004, 03:40 AM
Originally posted by: Dirkenstien
I dont see where Walker is selfish and whinny? imo hes just a strong competitor that wants to wins as much if not more than all the others. He stands up for himself and pledges his case to the refs if he feels they've made a mistake.

I dont see this as being selfish or whinny. It seems he's just doing everything possible to place himself as well as his team in a position to give his team a W, which in my opinion is far better than having a passive attitude on the court.


Truer words were never spoken, dirkenstein. i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif


Just because Walker argues with the Refs, that automatically makes him selfish and whiny???? SO I GUESS WALKER IS THE ONLY PLAYER IN THE ENTIRE NBA WHO ARGUES WITH REFS, HUH?



*shakes his head in bewilderment*

MightyToine
01-11-2004, 03:43 AM
Originally posted by: Fidel

Originally posted by: Kenny_01
http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/44773.htm

LOOKING FOR ANSWERS:
While Isiah Thomas continues to try to make more adjustments to Knick roster, the club's newest savior, Stephon Marbury (above), has been less-than-stellar in two losses since coming over from Phoenix.

January 10, 2004 -- Don Chaney was allowed to run another practice while Isiah Thomas stayed holed up in his office yesterday at the Knicks' Westchester campus. The Stephon Marbury blockbuster has not yet proved the answer, and Thomas was trying to figure out which button to press to get his club out of its ongoing mess.
The Knicks' new boss was attempting to make Rasheed Wallace a Knick, but talks with Portland broke down yesterday and the Blazers' bad-boy power forward appeared headed to Dallas as part of a package for Antawn Jamison, sources said.
Please dear god no. I donīt know if I could be a fan of a mavericks squad that featured Walker AND Wallace. Walker alone makes it hard enough.



That would be.......an entertaining combo to say the least. i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif


Walker would be wiggling, Sheed would be Shouting Expletives at the Refs....


FUN FOR THE ENTIRE FAMILY!! i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

Jamisonite
01-11-2004, 04:07 AM
Ok everyone just seems to attack what i said...

Walker is extremely selfish...Jamison came here and openly accepted being the 4th option...Walker came here and tried to be #1

He takes more shots than anyone else on the team...OK...hes not even the 2nd best player on this team...Dirk and Nash a superior players...he has taken 100 more shots than Dirk and nearly 200 more than Nash...Toine averages 16.3 spg Dirk 15.9, and Nash 11.2(Dirk averaged 18.6 and nash averaged 13.5 last year)

If you ask me he should have came here and been humble...Hes coming to the 2nd best team in the league as of last season(Western Confernce Finals makes them that) and he tries to be the star...Where as Jamison comes in and just picks his spots Walker forces it...You dont go to a team that did outstanding without you and try to take it over....THATS SELFISH

As for Whiny...i just dont like his attitude...he argues over too many calls and has this lil pouty look on his face while hes on the bench...just not my kind of player

jimmychipwood
01-11-2004, 10:22 AM
Walker's great...unless you like winning. He is also good if you like alienating fans. I think this is something Cuban needs to consider. People love the big 3. Jamison comes in and did his best to play well and fit in, there aren't many Jamison haters out there. But if this team gave up one of the big 3 and left Walker on the team, I for one would be much less interested in the team. The thing that keeps me interested now is that possibility that we might trade Walker.

Max Power
01-11-2004, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by: Jamisonite
Ok everyone just seems to attack what i said...

Walker is extremely selfish...Jamison came here and openly accepted being the 4th option...Walker came here and tried to be #1

He takes more shots than anyone else on the team...OK...hes not even the 2nd best player on this team...Dirk and Nash a superior players...he has taken 100 more shots than Dirk and nearly 200 more than Nash...

And how many games has Dirk missed?


Toine averages 16.3 spg Dirk 15.9, and Nash 11.2(Dirk averaged 18.6 and nash averaged 13.5 last year)

Factor in Dirk's partial game and he is averaging 16.4 shots per game. Over the last 15 games Dirk is averaging over 17 shots per game. And Dirk's best statistical year ever came when he averaged 16 shots a game.

Walker has averaged under 14 shots per game for the last 5 games.


Where as Jamison comes in and just picks his spots

Jamison has a reputation of being passive. He doesn't rock the boat and he doesn't demand the ball. That's good to a point but lets not forget Jamison's reputation before he came here. He disappears in big games and during crunchtime and never wants to take the big shot. He is also a terrible defender.


As for Whiny...i just dont like his attitude...he argues over too many calls and has this lil pouty look on his face while hes on the bench...just not my kind of player

There is NO way that Walker argues more calls than Nash. Stevie is the whinest player on the team by far. I can't number the times that Nash will stay in the backcourt to argue his case while the Mavs are playing 4 on 5.

MightyToine
01-11-2004, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by: jimmychipwood
Walker's great...unless you like winning. He is also good if you like alienating fans. I think this is something Cuban needs to consider. People love the big 3. Jamison comes in and did his best to play well and fit in, there aren't many Jamison haters out there. But if this team gave up one of the big 3 and left Walker on the team, I for one would be much less interested in the team. The thing that keeps me interested now is that possibility that we might trade Walker.



You would be less interested in the team? So ONE PLAYER(ONE PLAYER!)'s presence is going to cause you to not be very excited about Watching DIRK/NASH/FIN anymore, huh? i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif

Wow! That's sad, dude. i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif

You're a Maverick fan but it seems you're more a Walker-hater right now and can't think straight.

As long as AW is a Maverick, he should be given the same support as all MAVERICK PLAYERS get from the Maverick Fans. That's my opinion.

Dirkenstien
01-11-2004, 03:05 PM
If Walker has come in and taken more shots then I wouldnt place the blame on him and deem him selfish more than I would blame Nellie for making him one of the main focal points of our offense (poin forward) and by giving him the green light on shooting shots at will I would say Walker is following instructions more than he is being selfish.

Nellie hasnt asked Jamison to play the same role that he's asked Walker to play and that alone may account for the difference in shots per game. Jamison coming off the bench and averaging about 8 minutes less than Walker also makes sense.

Jamisonite
01-11-2004, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by: Dirkenstien
If Walker has come in and taken more shots then I wouldnt place the blame on him and deem him selfish more than I would blame Nellie for making him one of the main focal points of our offense (poin forward) and by giving him the green light on shooting shots at will I would say Walker is following instructions more than he is being selfish.

Nellie hasnt asked Jamison to play the same role that he's asked Walker to play and that alone may account for the difference in shots per game. Jamison coming off the bench and averaging about 8 minutes less than Walker also makes sense.

I think you know more than neone else on this board that i think Nellie is a moron. But if nething "point-foward" means taking less shots. Chris Mullin(in Nellies system) didnt take a lot of shots(his most average shots per game was 18.5 but he also shot .524 from the field so he averaged 25ppg)....Pippen didnt take a lot of shots(his worst season was 16.6)...and honestlty for even comparing Walker to the likes of Mullin and Pippen i should be shot...As a POINT your job is to get the rest of the team involved in the game...thats why Nash doesnt take so many shots...but ya...Walker has no right to bring the ball up the court while Nash is in the game

sike
01-11-2004, 04:05 PM
"I can't number the times that Nash will stay in the backcourt to argue his case while the Mavs are playing 4 on 5. "


Max I watch every game(that I can), and cant remember one time this happend...can you give a direct reference? I may have it on tape?

PS: Trade Walker before Jamison.

MightyToine
01-11-2004, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by: sike
"I can't number the times that Nash will stay in the backcourt to argue his case while the Mavs are playing 4 on 5. "


Max I watch every game(that I can), and cant remember one time this happend...can you give a direct reference? I may have it on tape?

PS: Trade Walker before Jamison.

PPS: Neither will be traded this season.

Book it!

Max Power
01-11-2004, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by: sike
"I can't number the times that Nash will stay in the backcourt to argue his case while the Mavs are playing 4 on 5. "


Max I watch every game(that I can), and cant remember one time this happend...can you give a direct reference? I may have it on tape?

It happened TONIGHT


PS: Trade Walker before Jamison.

I don't care if Walker is traded but Jamison HAS TO GO - his defense is horrible.

gk314
01-11-2004, 10:34 PM
Portland trades: SF Rasheed Wallace (16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.6 minutes)
C Dale Davis (6.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.5 apg in 28.3 minutes)
SG Derek Anderson (8.3 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 2.7 apg in 14.0 minutes)
PF Zach Randolph (22.2 ppg, 11.3 rpg, 2.4 apg in 39.7 minutes)
Portland receives: PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
SG Michael Finley (16.5 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.8 apg in 39.3 minutes)
SF Antawn Jamison (15.4 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.0 apg in 29.9 minutes)
SF Josh Howard (8.4 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 1.3 apg in 23.1 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +3.5 ppg, +0.1 rpg, and +0.8 apg.

Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
SG Michael Finley (16.5 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.8 apg in 39.3 minutes)
SF Antawn Jamison (15.4 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.0 apg in 29.9 minutes)
SF Josh Howard (8.4 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 1.3 apg in 23.1 minutes)
Dallas receives: SF Rasheed Wallace (16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 33 games)
C Dale Davis (6.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.5 apg in 32 games)
SG Derek Anderson (8.3 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 2.7 apg in 3 games)
PF Zach Randolph (22.2 ppg, 11.3 rpg, 2.4 apg in 34 games)
Change in team outlook: -3.5 ppg, -0.1 rpg, and -0.8 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Captain Disaster
01-11-2004, 10:37 PM
Let's trade Walker & Jamison for two excellent DEFENSIVE players, sign another scrub big man to play with Mamadou & Bradley, let Howard split time with Fin, & go from there. Who can we get for these two? What teams would make a trade with us? We may not get the BEST defensive players in the league, but we likely could get a couple; or are defensive players a rarity in the NBA? I personally think that we had TWO excellent ones last year in Bell & Griifin, but we just pissed them away for no good reason. If we had only kept those two and kept the team we have now, I believe we would've won at least 5 - 7 more games so far this year.

grndmstr_c
01-11-2004, 10:45 PM
CD, let's not. Let's trade one of them for some help at the center position, but that should be plenty. As for Griff...do you honestly think we're missing him that much? He was a turnover machine with precious little range on his jumper. Nice defender, sure, but he has been more than replaced by Howard who's as good defensively, and better on the boards and at scoring inside. Raja I do miss. Neither Delk or Daniels has yet managed to fill his shoes.

Captain Disaster
01-11-2004, 11:21 PM
I'd really like to keep both, but it seems like Walker just doesn't fit THIS team; I'm not saying that he's no good, a cancer or that I don't like him. Jamison can score, but he seems to disappear in pressure situations, AND he plays absolutely no defense.

Yes, I do think that we miss Griffin because I remember several games last year where he shut the other teams best offensive threats down. He had extremely quick hands, & he knew that he was a veteran role player. He also made some key baskets in high pressure games. We don't need any more "scorers", we need defenders who CAN score under pressure if they have to, but who will accept fewer minutes and will give 100% in those minutes. We need a few players who are willing to GO TO WAR at crunch time; this bunch just goes home!

MightyToine
01-12-2004, 02:26 AM
Originally posted by: Captain Disaster
I'd really like to keep both, but it seems like Walker just doesn't fit THIS team; I'm not saying that he's no good, a cancer or that I don't like him. Jamison can score, but he seems to disappear in pressure situations, AND he plays absolutely no defense.

So I guess that's the reason why you think Walker does not fit THIS team....He plays DEFENSE. lol! i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

Jamisonite
01-12-2004, 10:19 AM
WALKER DOESNT PLAY DEFENSE MUCH BETTER THAN JAMISON...and the thing that a lot of people dont know is that Jamison has had to adjust his whole game since coming to the NBA. In High School and College he played Center, up until his junior year at UNC(his last) when they recruited Haywood. But he still played C a lot. Then he comes to the NBA and plays SF. Thats a HUGE adjustment defensively. Walker was always Potinos(spelling?) Foward that could bring up the ball and he usually defended the pf or sf in college

MightyToine
01-12-2004, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by: Jamisonite
WALKER DOESNT PLAY DEFENSE MUCH BETTER THAN JAMISON...and the thing that a lot of people dont know is that Jamison has had to adjust his whole game since coming to the NBA. In High School and College he played Center, up until his junior year at UNC(his last) when they recruited Haywood. But he still played C a lot. Then he comes to the NBA and plays SF. Thats a HUGE adjustment defensively. Walker was always Potinos(spelling?) Foward that could bring up the ball and he usually defended the pf or sf in college

Actually the name was Pitino but I forgive you since I HATE HIS GUTS. i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif


Walker DOES play defense better than Jamison(though admittedly not by much).... i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

Jamisonite
01-12-2004, 04:20 PM
that was my point...his defense isnt much better, and this is only Jamisons fourth full season(his first season was the strike year, and his second was cut short due to injury) He has had to learn a new position and has to defend quicker players than he is used to.We are not going to ask Dirk or Fortson to defend the Sf. I know his Defense is poor but its looks even worse due to the lack of defense around him. His D wasnt really questioned in GS cuz he had good defenders around him. I think he has the heart and desire to become a better defender

Max Power
01-12-2004, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by: Jamisonite
His D wasnt really questioned in GS

That was always a major part of Jamison - all O and no D.