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LRB
01-11-2004, 04:49 PM
Right now with the Mavs team struggling mightly, I think we have to make a change. Although I would love to see a coaching change, I don't think that will happen until the end of the year as long as we're over .500 and in playoff contention, and I seriously hope that we don't fall out of playoff contention or under .500. So the next best thing is to trade Walker which probably needs to happen anyways. Walker appears to be a bad fit for this team. He seems to bog down the offense, and things only go well when he's hitting his 3pt shot, which is very seldom at shooting under 30%. At this point I'd be happy just to have him gone. Here we've mentioned several trades for him, here are some that I like:

Utah trades: SF Matt Harpring (16.2 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 2.0 apg in 36.6 minutes)
C Greg Ostertag (7.4 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 31.0 minutes)
Utah receives: PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -6.9 ppg, -7.1 rpg, and +1.0 apg.

Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
Dallas receives: SF Matt Harpring (16.2 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 2.0 apg in 31 games)
C Greg Ostertag (7.4 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 33 games)
Change in team outlook: +6.9 ppg, +7.1 rpg, and -1.0 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

We get a big 5 to help now and next season get Harpring a very good 2 way player that isn't adverse to being a role player. Utah get's a scorer to replace Harpring and compensation of Ostertag who'll they'll likely lose to FA. Utah also gets the biggest talent, and an expiring contract if they don't like him.

Washington trades: PF Christian Laettner (6.7 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 23.1 minutes)
PF Kwame Brown (8.9 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.5 apg in 25.5 minutes)
PF Etan Thomas (8.4 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 1.3 apg in 25.8 minutes)
Washington receives: PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -7.3 ppg, -9.5 rpg, and +0.1 apg.

Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
Dallas receives: PF Christian Laettner (6.7 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 30 games)
PF Kwame Brown (8.9 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.5 apg in 35 games)
PF Etan Thomas (8.4 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 1.3 apg in 33 games)
Change in team outlook: +7.3 ppg, +9.5 rpg, and -0.1 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Dallas recieves 3 bigs that can be role players. Washingto dumps Brown and gets a superstar. Washington gets the biggest talent and an expiring contract to hunt FA's if they don't like him. I would rather have Haywood but his small salary makes trading him with Walker very hard.

LRB
01-11-2004, 05:13 PM
Here's some more:

Indiana trades: PF Al Harrington (13.1 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.9 apg in 30.8 minutes)
C Scot Pollard (1.4 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11.0 minutes)
PG Fred Jones (3.7 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 1.7 apg in 16.6 minutes)
Indiana receives: PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -1.5 ppg, -1.1 rpg, and +1.2 apg.

Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
Dallas receives: PF Al Harrington (13.1 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.9 apg in 39 games)
C Scot Pollard (1.4 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 28 games)
PG Fred Jones (3.7 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 1.7 apg in 39 games)
Change in team outlook: +1.5 ppg, +1.1 rpg, and -1.2 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Bird loves Walker's game and again he's the most talented. We get a backup PG and a center plus a good Roleplayer PF.

Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
Dallas receives: SF Tim Thomas (15.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 2.1 apg in 32.8 minutes)
C Dan Gadzuric (7.1 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 0.5 apg in 19.1 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +5.9 ppg, +1.5 rpg, and -2.4 apg.

Milwaukee trades: SF Tim Thomas (15.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 2.1 apg in 32.8 minutes)
C Dan Gadzuric (7.1 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 0.5 apg in 19.1 minutes)
Milwaukee receives: PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 35 games)
Change in team outlook: -5.9 ppg, -1.5 rpg, and +2.4 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Milwaukee gets the most talented player and an expiring contract. Dallas gets a more athletic SF and a decent Big Man.

Chicago trades: PF Tyson Chandler (13.0 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 1.0 apg in 28.6 minutes)
PF Jay Williams (13.0 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 1.0 apg in 28.6 minutes)
SF Scottie Pippen (7.1 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 2.9 apg in 22.3 minutes)
Chicago receives: PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -3.4 ppg, -4.3 rpg, and +1.1 apg.

Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
Dallas receives: PF Tyson Chandler (13.0 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 1.0 apg in 10 games)
PF Jay Williams (13.0 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 1.0 apg in 10 games)
SF Scottie Pippen (7.1 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 2.9 apg in 12 games)
Change in team outlook: +3.4 ppg, +4.3 rpg, and -1.1 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Chicago dumps the contracts of two players who are out for the year with injuries and one who might not return. They get the player with the best stats and talent on paper who is a Chicago native. We get a athletic Big Man and take a game on Williams being able to come back and play at the NBA level.

Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Zydrunas Illgauskas (14.3 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 1.4 apg in 29.9 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -2.4 ppg, -1.9 rpg, and -3.6 apg.

Cleveland trades: C Zydrunas Illgauskas (14.3 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 1.4 apg in 29.9 minutes)
Cleveland receives: PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 35 games)
Change in team outlook: +2.4 ppg, +1.9 rpg, and +3.6 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Cleveland's coach is unhappy with Big Z and Walker is the best talent. We get a Big man.

Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
Dallas receives: SF Rodney White (7.6 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 13.0 minutes)
PG Earl Boykins (10.9 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 4.2 apg in 23.4 minutes)
C Marcus Camby (7.3 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 1.4 apg in 26.6 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +9.1 ppg, +4.5 rpg, and +1.5 apg.

Denver trades: SF Rodney White (7.6 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 0.9 apg in 13.0 minutes)
PG Earl Boykins (10.9 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 4.2 apg in 23.4 minutes)
C Marcus Camby (7.3 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 1.4 apg in 26.6 minutes)
Denver receives: PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 35 games)
Change in team outlook: -9.1 ppg, -4.5 rpg, and -1.5 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

We get a Big man and a backup PG and Denver gets the most talented player.
Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
Dallas receives: SF Shandon Anderson (8.4 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 1.3 apg in 25.5 minutes)
C Kurt Thomas (11.7 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 2.0 apg in 33.2 minutes)
C Michael Doleac (4.1 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 0.5 apg in 13.3 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +7.5 ppg, +6.1 rpg, and -1.2 apg.

New York trades: SF Shandon Anderson (8.4 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 1.3 apg in 25.5 minutes)
C Kurt Thomas (11.7 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 2.0 apg in 33.2 minutes)
C Michael Doleac (4.1 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 0.5 apg in 13.3 minutes)
New York receives: PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 35 games)
Change in team outlook: -7.5 ppg, -6.1 rpg, and +1.2 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED


NY get the most talented player, we get 3 good roleplayers including 2 Big Men.

Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Mehmet Okur (9.4 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.1 apg in 23.2 minutes)
SF Corliss Williamson (8.0 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.8 apg in 18.7 minutes)
SG Bob Sura (2.9 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 1.7 apg in 12.8 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +3.6 ppg, +2.2 rpg, and -1.4 apg.

Detroit trades: C Mehmet Okur (9.4 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.1 apg in 23.2 minutes)
SF Corliss Williamson (8.0 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.8 apg in 18.7 minutes)
SG Bob Sura (2.9 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 1.7 apg in 12.8 minutes)
Detroit receives: PF Antoine Walker (16.7 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 35 games)
Change in team outlook: -3.6 ppg, -2.2 rpg, and +1.4 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED


Detroit get the talent, we get 3 good roleplayers with one being a Big Man.

Walkerforthree
01-11-2004, 05:20 PM
Honestly, I'd probably do all of those, I really like these the most, in order:

Utah deal- 1
Indy deal- 2
Denver deal- 3
Millauwkee deal- 4

MightyToine
01-11-2004, 05:28 PM
At least you acknowledge that Walker is "The Best Talent". i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif



But seriously, those are all good trades. I'm not THAT blind. i/expressions/rolleye.gif


However, I really believe Cubes will let Walker stay(at least till the end of this season) and then try to convince him to opt out and sign a lower-priced but longer-term deal. That's my gut feeling and no, it's not indigestion either. i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif

grndmstr_c
01-11-2004, 06:01 PM
I like what we'd be getting in a number of those deals. Count me in on the Utah and Milwaukee trades for sure. Centers who can help us and a SF who can hit a jumper in both cases. That's exactly what we need.

Nash13
01-11-2004, 06:36 PM
All of the trades are no brainers, but only the Cleveland and maybe New York trades are realistic.

OutletPass
01-11-2004, 06:45 PM
The Harpring trade is interesting, LRB, but it can't happen now. I just read that he's having surgery and is gone for 3 months...sorry....I did like that one a lot.

LRB
01-11-2004, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by: OutletPass
The Harpring trade is interesting, LRB, but it can't happen now. I just read that he's having surgery and is gone for 3 months...sorry....I did like that one a lot.

OP I think that would be the only way the Utah does the trade. We have to take a player that's out to next season. Since I don't see us doing anything this year for me its not that big of a deal.

mavs_afroman
01-11-2004, 09:08 PM
I love the Denver trade. We get a backup point that pushes the ball and takes care of it and a big man who can rebound, block shots, and has enough offensive skill to make Nellie play him.

jayC
01-11-2004, 09:12 PM
To me Al Harrington is a beast defensively and offensively. Scott Pollard is a great role player, who can clean the glass.

Misfit Mav
01-11-2004, 09:56 PM
I tend to agree about trading Walker for role-players. Walker is a great talent, but I'm beginning to become convinced that he is a poor fit here. He's taking too many shots from the more efficient shooters on the team, and although he is a good ball-handler, he's not as good as Nash and the offense suffers when he is directing it.

One more trade you might want to consider (although it's been brought up many times before) is to Atlanta for Ratliff, Dickau, and filler. Ratliff is at least a servicable center and a great shot-blocker. Walker has what Atlanta wants most: an expiring contract.

The thing that worries me is that Cuban seems incapable of making a trade that is not a blockbuster. When you look at the recent championship teams- the Lakers and Spurs- they put their teams together by judicious trades and free-agent signing in which they often gave up more talented players to get better chemistry and better role-players. The Lakers in particular, under Jerry West, gave up all-star caliber players in Van Exel and Eddie Jones for very little compensation in order to streamline the roster and assure that the ball was in the hands of their best players. I don't know if Cuban can make a trade that makes him look like he lost out on talent.

S'nasty13
01-12-2004, 12:05 AM
Small problem: Harpring is probably out for the rest of the season

MightyToine
01-12-2004, 01:53 PM
The last thing I want is for Walker to be traded to a desolate WASTELAND like Atlanta. i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif


If you're gonna trade him, trade him to any other team BESIDES Craplanta.

kg_veteran
01-12-2004, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by: MightyToine
The last thing I want is for Walker to be traded to a desolate WASTELAND like Atlanta. i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif


If you're gonna trade him, trade him to any other team BESIDES Craplanta.

I don't think we're worried about Walker and where he ends up.

LRB
01-12-2004, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by: S'nasty13
Small problem: Harpring is probably out for the rest of the season


That doesn't prevent him from being traded, we would just have to put him on the IR this year. If he wasn't hurt, I don't think we would have much of a chance of Utah doing the trade.

Hitman
01-12-2004, 02:33 PM
I would do the Indiana trade in a minute.

I would do the Detroit trade too, but isn't something with Okur's contract at the end of this year that was similar to Gilbert Arenas' situation? Meaning that the Mavs could not resign him?

He would be AWESOME on the Mavs though.

MightyToine
01-12-2004, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by: kg_veteran

Originally posted by: MightyToine
The last thing I want is for Walker to be traded to a desolate WASTELAND like Atlanta. i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif


If you're gonna trade him, trade him to any other team BESIDES Craplanta.

I don't think we're worried about Walker and where he ends up.

Let me say that again :


"The Last thing *I* want is for Walker to be traded to a desolate WASTELAND like Atlanta."

Nicky31
01-12-2004, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by: Hitman
I would do the Indiana trade in a minute.

I would do the Detroit trade too, but isn't something with Okur's contract at the end of this year that was similar to Gilbert Arenas' situation? Meaning that the Mavs could not resign him?

He would be AWESOME on the Mavs though.


I'm with you hitman..

Bring on either trade. It's what the Mav's need to become deeper with role players.

Jamisonite
01-12-2004, 04:24 PM
The trade i like the most is the Denver one...i like Camby a lot...he plays great defense...hes Rasheed Wallace without the problems as far as D goees(hes actuaully prob better)

Redbug
01-12-2004, 05:31 PM
I know this is all fun and games....no way Denver gives up anything for Walker
same for Utah, Indiana...Milwaukee...

Now maybe Chicago....but I doubt Skiles wants any part of that headache....

I'd take A Davis...and find a way to get the Junkyard dog thrown in

role players I'd take over Najera, Delk, Best, Fortson, Bradley

A Davis
D Davis
D Miles
J Williams (JYD)
Posey...I know he starts for Memphis so there's probably little chance
B Outlaw
R Evans

just to name a few....most of these guys can run....play physical around the bucket....score around the bucket....but they mainly D-E-F-E-N-D & rebound and do not need to be the "star" of the team....

MightyToine
01-13-2004, 04:54 AM
Originally posted by: Redbug

Now maybe Chicago....but I doubt Skiles wants any part of that headache....



It's nice to make assumptions, huh? i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif