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1timesportsbeatwriter
01-16-2004, 12:30 PM
FROM FRIDAY MORNINGS PORTLAND OREGONIAN

The trade talks involving the Trail Blazers are no longer speculation. Owner Paul Allen on Thursday acknowledged rumors that the team is considering a trade are true and current, as evidenced by his 30-minute meeting with team president Steve Patterson and general manager John Nash during the third quarter of the Blazers' 105-96 loss to the Phoenix Suns at the Rose Garden.


After the game, Allen said he is contemplating whether he should pull the trigger on a proposed trade.

"Trade. Not to trade. I don't know," Allen said before walking out of the arena.

Patterson was equally elusive, saying, "We talked about all kinds of things . . . but I'm not going to talk about it."

No member of Blazers management would confirm the proposed trade, but sources in Dallas say that the deal involves Rasheed Wallace going to the Mavericks for forward Antawn Jamison and injured guard/forward Tariq Abdul-Wahad.

If the deal were to include Abdul-Wahad, it would seem to meet Mavericks owner Mark Cuban's criterion that a trade with Portland be a "sweetheart of a deal," because Abdul-Wahad is damaged goods. The 6-foot-6 Wahad is to make $28 million in the next four seasons, but he has not played this season because of a left knee injury that caused him to miss 67 games last season.

Another rumored trade has Wallace going to the Mavericks for Jamison, Tony Delk and Eduardo Najera.

Dallas coach and general manager Don Nelson told the Fort Worth (Texas) Star-Telegram late Thursday that he had not heard of a trade for Wallace being finalized.

kg_veteran
01-16-2004, 12:31 PM
Being discussed here:

Link (http://dallas-mavs.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=32&threadid=14165&STARTPAGE=6)

madape
01-16-2004, 12:37 PM
This poses an interesting question. When does a trade thread merit being moved to the Mavericks forum?

kg_veteran
01-16-2004, 12:40 PM
Good question. We've sort of used the trade forum to discuss anything acquisition-related, but I don't have a problem with leaving this thread open if you want to discuss it here as well, as long as we don't get 5 threads here talking about it.

OutletPass
01-16-2004, 12:45 PM
Guess what...Norm's talking about the trade....


for Brian Grant.

Still not one word this morning OUT OF DALLAS about this Sheed thing.

EricaLubarsky
01-16-2004, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by: madape
This poses an interesting question. When does a trade thread merit being moved to the Mavericks forum?

When things look like this
9 Tariq Abdul-Wahad* F-G 6-6 235 11/03/74 San Jose State '98 6
3 Travis Best G 5-11 185 7/12/72 Georgia Tech '95 8
44 Shawn Bradley C 7-6 275 3/22/72 Brigham Young '94 10
6 Marquis Daniels G 6-6 200 1/07/81 Auburn '03 R
7 Tony Delk G 6-2 189 1/28/74 Kentucky '96 7
4 Michael Finley - C G-F 6-7 225 3/06/73 Wisconsin '95 8
21 Danny Fortson C 6-8 260 3/27/76 Cincinnati '98 6
5 Josh Howard F 6-7 210 4/28/80 Wake Forest '03 R
34 Mamadou N'diaye C 7-0 255 6/16/75 Auburn '00 3
13 Steve Nash - C G 6-3 195 2/07/74 Santa Clara '96 7
41 Dirk Nowitzki - C F-C 7-0 245 6/19/78 Germany 5
10 Jon Stefansson* G 6-5 200 9/21/82 Iceland R
8 Antoine Walker F 6-9 245 8/12/76 Kentucky '98 7
30 Rasheed Wallace F-C 6-11 230 9/17/74 North Carolina '97 8

Instead of just a RealGM report

Dallas trades: PG Tony Delk (6.6 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 16.3 minutes)
SF Eduardo Najera (3.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 13.7 minutes)
SF Antawn Jamison (15.8 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 30.1 minutes)
Dallas receives: SF Rasheed Wallace (16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.6 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -8.9 ppg, -5.0 rpg, and +0.5 apg.

Portland trades: SF Rasheed Wallace (16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.6 minutes)
Portland receives: PG Tony Delk (6.6 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 29 games)
SF Eduardo Najera (3.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 28 games)
SF Antawn Jamison (15.8 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 38 games)
Change in team outlook: +8.9 ppg, +5.0 rpg, and -0.5 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED


I would also accept evidence of a press conference or an article with ties to a reliable reporter

ddh33
01-16-2004, 01:13 PM
People in Dallas may not be talking about this deal, but I think it's a lot more legit than a lot of people want to believe. I expect this thing to happen soon. The only question is who stays and who goes, in my mind.

Mavdog
01-16-2004, 01:22 PM
It seems odd that the Portland papers keep saying that Rashweed is coming to Dallas, yet all the mavs decision makers say the opposite. Now, I do expect that Don et al will not be that honest (as far as trades go) in his comments, yet from the tone of Nellie's comments, coupled with the tone of mark's comments, lead me to believe this will NOT go down.

Of course, if TAW comes off the IR (noone on IR can be traded) than there will be a huge clue...

As for me, although I am intriqued by Rashweeds clear talent, I am also realistic that Rashweed has wasted that talent so far...why would his stripes chage just by becoming a mav? Most importantly all the mavs have said that what the team needs is a worker bee, clearly not the type of player Rashweed is.

Now if we were talking Dale Davis for TAW I wouldn't hesitate...but that's dreaming.

DNNF
01-16-2004, 01:45 PM
Sheed coming to Dallas is definitely not the solution. Sheed has acustom to hanging out at the 3 pt lines nowaday. When he's coming to Dallas, they guy will be out there even more since Nellie encouraging it. Also, If Sheed is here and he decided not to stay with Dallas after the season. We will lost AJ and TAW for nothing, except gaining the cap room which we are way over regardless of Sheed's contract.

Personally, I rather see Theo Ratliff or Brian Grant come here or any blue collar players to surround the big 3.

aexchange
01-16-2004, 01:49 PM
UNTIL ANY TRADE IS COMPLETE, DO NOT POST IT IN THE GENERAL MAVS SECTION. NO IFS, ANDS, or BUTS. ARE WE CLEAR?

mavs413
01-16-2004, 02:00 PM
David Aldrige just reported that it will probably be a three way deal involving T-Mac and be completed this weekend

Portland Trades:
Wallace
1rd Pick

Portland Gets:
T-Mac
Abdul-Wahad

Dallas Trades:
Jamison
Abdul-Wahad

Dallas Gets:
Wallace

Orlando Trades:
T-Mac

Orlando Gets:
Antawn Jamison
1rd Pick (Portland)

This is getting crazy now, Why would Orlando do this??

Poindexter Einstein
01-16-2004, 02:00 PM
"if TAW comes off the IR (noone on IR can be traded)"

Not true. You can trade any player from the Injured List at any time. It is no more than a Reserve List these days, doesnt really guarantee there is an injury of any kind.

grndmstr_c
01-16-2004, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by: mavs413
David Aldrige just reported that it will probably be a three way deal involving T-Mac and be completed this weekend

Portland Trades:
Wallace
1rd Pick

Portland Gets:
T-Mac
Abdul-Wahad

Dallas Trades:
Jamison
Abdul-Wahad

Dallas Gets:
Wallace

Orlando Trades:
T-Mac

Orlando Gets:
Antawn Jamison
1rd Pick (Portland)

This is getting crazy now, Why would Orlando do this??

I can't even believe that one. From everything I've seen, Portland seems to be holding this thing up because they're not happy with the offers they're getting, but they make out like freaking bandits on that one. A talented head case for one of the Top 5 players in the league and all they have to do is take on TAW's contract? Outside of Orlando not doing it unless they could unload Hill's contract, if this were even an option Portland would've accepted it 10 minutes before it was even offered. Hell, if Orlando wants AJ that badly I'll give them AJ and Fin for TMac and leave Portland out of the damn thing.

Poindexter Einstein
01-16-2004, 02:15 PM
And where is Aldridge reporting this impending trade of T-mac, pray tell? I am beyond skeptical.

uberfan
01-16-2004, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by: Poindexter Einstein
"if TAW comes off the IR (noone on IR can be traded)"

Not true. You can trade any player from the Injured List at any time. It is no more than a Reserve List these days, doesnt really guarantee there is an injury of any kind.

Except I think that the player on IL has to agree to remain on IL.

OutletPass
01-16-2004, 02:17 PM
That T-Mac thing is just something that someone posted...

If you have a link to Aldridg'e "supposed" article...please post it.

uberfan
01-16-2004, 02:21 PM
I find this hard to believe from Orlando's viewpoint, but it works on RealGM

Dallas trades: SF Antawn Jamison (15.8 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 30.1 minutes)
SF Tariq Abdul-Wahad (15.8 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 30.1 minutes)
Dallas receives: SF Rasheed Wallace (16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.6 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +1.0 ppg, +0.1 rpg, and +1.7 apg.

Orlando trades: SG Tracy McGrady (25.7 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 5.8 apg in 39.5 minutes)
Orlando receives: SF Antawn Jamison (15.8 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 38 games)
Change in team outlook: -9.9 ppg, +0.2 rpg, and -4.8 apg.

Portland trades: SF Rasheed Wallace (16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.6 minutes)
Portland receives: SF Tariq Abdul-Wahad (15.8 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 38 games)
SG Tracy McGrady (25.7 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 5.8 apg in 38 games)
Change in team outlook: +8.9 ppg, -0.3 rpg, and +3.1 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Due to Dallas, Orlando, and Portland being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is




Originally posted by: mavs413
David Aldrige just reported that it will probably be a three way deal involving T-Mac and be completed this weekend

Portland Trades:
Wallace
1rd Pick

Portland Gets:
T-Mac
Abdul-Wahad

Dallas Trades:
Jamison
Abdul-Wahad

Dallas Gets:
Wallace

Orlando Trades:
T-Mac

Orlando Gets:
Antawn Jamison
1rd Pick (Portland)

This is getting crazy now, Why would Orlando do this??

Drbio
01-16-2004, 02:22 PM
Dan Patrick talked about Portland and Dallas, but not a word regarding Orlando. That is idle speculation.

mavs413
01-16-2004, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by: grndmstr_c

I can't even believe that one. From everything I've seen, Portland seems to be holding this thing up because they're not happy with the offers they're getting, but they make out like freaking bandits on that one. A talented head case for one of the Top 5 players in the league and all they have to do is take on TAW's contract? Outside of Orlando not doing it unless they could unload Hill's contract, if this were even an option Portland would've accepted it 10 minutes before it was even offered. Hell, if Orlando wants AJ that badly I'll give them AJ and Fin for TMac and leave Portland out of the damn thing.

Yeah, this trade looks like complete bull.
T-Mac is a Superstar and brings in crazy money.
Orlando will get a top 5 pick in the draft next year. Add Another Mid 1st Rounder from Portland to that and maybe thats what they are thinking about?
David Aldrige is probably just getting this out of nowhere. There is no way this is being considered.

OutletPass
01-16-2004, 02:26 PM
Ok...once again...David Aldridge DIS NOT REPORT ANY SUCH thing.

It was a bogus post on the orlando ESPN message board....and is being repeated....

mavs413
01-16-2004, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by: OutletPass
That T-Mac thing is just something that someone posted...

If you have a link to Aldridg'e "supposed" article...please post it.

If you have Espn Insiders go the the NBA page on ESPN.com and its the link that says ' T-Mac on the Block?'

Speedy
01-16-2004, 02:27 PM
The only way Portland gets a T-Mac on their roster is if they trade for Todd MacCulloch.

madape
01-16-2004, 02:27 PM
BUUULLLLL SSHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!

OutletPass
01-16-2004, 02:30 PM
413...I do have ESPN Insider...the link you talk about leads to "Rumor Central"...and it is a short note about a straight trade that doesn't involve the Mavs...and it wasn't by Aldridge and, most importantly, IT'S ALREADY BEEN SHOT DOWN.

madape
01-16-2004, 02:33 PM
Mav213. You have been busted in a lie. How do you respond?

OutletPass
01-16-2004, 02:34 PM
Oh...and 413...it was dated YESTERDAY and not today.

Here's the text...

Jan. 15 - The Orlando Sentinel reports the Blazers called the Magic about a McGrady-for-Rasheed Wallace swap. GM John Gabriel denied McGrady was on the block. McGrady's response to the rumor? "I don't believe any of that, but I did hear the Rasheed rumor," McGrady said. "I think there would be a lot of disappointed Orlando fans if that happened." No kidding.


--No offense to you 413, but that's what it REALLY is.

uberfan
01-16-2004, 02:35 PM
This is getting as bad as it was back in the summer when we all were chasing every Mavs/Blazers trade for Sheed morsel of gossip, just before the GS trade was made.

Where is that old thread? Can't we just dump all of these assorted posts in that thread? i/expressions/devil.gif

mavs413
01-16-2004, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by: OutletPass
413...I do have ESPN Insider...the link you talk about leads to "Rumor Central"...and it is a short note about a straight trade that doesn't involve the Mavs...and it wasn't by Aldridge and, most importantly, IT'S ALREADY BEEN SHOT DOWN.

Sorry guys, thats just what I was told.
I'm glad that it was nonsense.
I hope we stay with our current team.

madape
01-16-2004, 02:38 PM
I saw a troll post this on the ESPN message boards. Maybe this is Mav413's real source...

http://boards.espn.go.com/cgi/nba/request.dll?MESSAGE&room=nba_orl&id=356762&move=firstThread

mavs413
01-16-2004, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by: madape
I saw a troll post this on the ESPN message boards. Maybe this is Mav413's real source...

http://boards.espn.go.com/cgi/nba/request.dll?MESSAGE&room=nba_orl&id=356762&move=firstThread

Yeah, i got it from there and checked it on Realgm and saw that it worked so I assumed that it was really Aldrige.
Again, sorry guys. I would not lie to you guys just for the heck of it.

kg_veteran
01-16-2004, 02:45 PM
413, weren't you the guy reporting a sure Blazers trade this summer? Hmmmm....

Also, as a side note, if T-Mac were available for Jamison and a first rounder, I think we could make the pot sweeter than that...

Rhylan
01-16-2004, 02:45 PM
My IQ just dropped a few more points. I can't wait for Feb 19.

V
01-16-2004, 02:47 PM
Whew... I thought my Rasheed Wallace thread was going to be hijacked!

OK everyone - back to my thread - the REAL Rasheed Wallace thread - please!! i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

EricaLubarsky
01-16-2004, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by: OutletPass
Oh...and 413...it was dated YESTERDAY and not today.

Here's the text...

Jan. 15 - The Orlando Sentinel reports the Blazers called the Magic about a McGrady-for-Rasheed Wallace swap. GM John Gabriel denied McGrady was on the block. McGrady's response to the rumor? "I don't believe any of that, but I did hear the Rasheed rumor," McGrady said. "I think there would be a lot of disappointed Orlando fans if that happened." No kidding.


--No offense to you 413, but that's what it REALLY is.

Thank goodness we arent the only team being played by the media. Im glad the media is also making T-Mac feel a little uncomfortable too.

Drbio
01-16-2004, 02:59 PM
Denver may be jumping into the fray for Wallace.....

The Rocky Mountain News reports the Nuggets could have serious interest in making an offer to Rasheed Wallace this summer:
Vandeweghe can't comment on impending free agents, but it's known the Nuggets will take a long look at New Jersey restricted free agent Kenyon Martin. Then there's Portland's unrestricted Rasheed Wallace, the most talented big man who will be available.

Insiders say the Nuggets will consider looking at Wallace despite all the chaos he has created on and off the court. But it would be a situation where team officials would need to sit down and talk at length with him.
The reporters in Dallas took the day off from reporting on trades, but we'll keep our eyes on the wire and report any trade news the minute it breaks.

EricaLubarsky
01-16-2004, 03:02 PM
question: You have kindhearted Nene, why do you want Rasheed Wallace?
answer: You dont. the Rocky Mountain News is another crappy rag involved in speculation and assumption.

Drbio
01-16-2004, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by: EricaLubarsky
question: You have kindhearted Nene, why do you want Rasheed Wallace?
answer: You dont. the Rocky Mountain News is another crappy rag involved in speculation and assumption.

Hardly. Nene will play center. Wallace could play PF or vice versa (the nuggets are also hot on KMart in the offseason). Before you bash the RMN, at least understand them. Clearly, you do not. For the record, a former colleague of mine who writes for the RMN online system sent me an email about the Nuggets interest. He very much has access to the team. You can take what he says to the bank as he isn't one to bullsh*t his way through his day.

OutletPass
01-16-2004, 03:08 PM
There's also a world of difference between signing him as a FA this summer...and trading for him now AND GIVING UP PLAYERS TO GET HIM.

Drbio
01-16-2004, 03:12 PM
exactly. I threw that in their as a point of interest so you can see what Kiki V is thinking these days.

EricaLubarsky
01-16-2004, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by: Drbio
exactly. I threw that in their as a point of interest so you can see what Kiki V is thinking these days.

I should have restated it: they have Camby and Nene, why do they want Rasheed? they DO have a lot of cash around and they are going to have to compete with Phoenix and Utah for the elite FAs so any elite FA is on their list Im sure (except maybe Kobe who Coloradoans hate more than the average fan base)

Dirkenstien
01-16-2004, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by: kg_veteran
413, weren't you the guy reporting a sure Blazers trade this summer? Hmmmm....

Also, as a side note, if T-Mac were available for Jamison and a first rounder, I think we could make the pot sweeter than that...


hell yes we could