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ddh33
01-27-2004, 05:09 PM
This according to Dr. Jack Ramsey's (his father-in-law) chat on ESPN. Apparently Obie didn't feel good about the situation and some of the trades.

MikeB
01-27-2004, 05:13 PM
Danny Ainge strikes again!
This is looking like the worst hire by the Cs since ML Carr.

Male30Dan
01-27-2004, 05:15 PM
Damn!!!

What more can really be said!!!

superheadcat
01-27-2004, 05:18 PM
ESPN.com news services
BOSTON -- Jim O'Brien resigned as coach of the Celtics on Tuesday due to philosophical differences with executive director of basketball operations Danny Ainge, ESPN has learned.

The Celtics will hold a news conference at 6 p.m. ET, but the team isn't commenting on the topic. It is not clear exactly why O'Brien is resigning.

Under director of basketball operations Danny Ainge and O'Brien, the new-look Celtics have not been able to find their identity this season. They are 22-24, in second place behind the Nets in the Atlantic Division. Ironically, the disappointing Nets, just 22-20, fired coach Byron Scott on Monday.

The Celtics made a big move during the offseason, trading Antoine Walker and Tony Delk to the Mavericks for Raef LaFrentz, Jiri Welsch, Chris Mills and Dallas' first-round pick in 2004.

The problems of veteran forward Vin Baker have not helped matters. Baker was suspended indefinitely by the Celtics last week for failing to comply with his aftercare program.

It's the second time this season that Baker, who struggled with alcoholism last spring, was suspended by the team for failing to comply with his recovery program. On Jan. 7, he was suspended for three games.

O'Brien is the sixth NBA coach to be out of a job this season, and the 17th since the 2002-03 season. Two weeks ago, the Knicks fired Don Chaney and replaced him Hall of Fame coach Lenny Wilkens.

O'Brien was 139-119 in three-plus seasons in Boston.

MightyToine
01-27-2004, 05:29 PM
Jim O'Brien is a Defensive-minded coach...Plus, he still never got over the Walker trade(He practically loved him....umm...not in *that* way, though...lol)


Perhaps the Mavs would be interested in adding an ASSISTANT coach who preaches nothing but defense to their team of Coaches?? If it's one thing the Mavs can't have too much of...It's Defense. i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

Nicky31
01-27-2004, 05:34 PM
I bet the Celtic's go after Byron Scott to replace O'Brien.

superheadcat
01-27-2004, 05:39 PM
from his father-in-law:
"...there was too big a gap between what he wanted in personnel and what Ainge thought was good. Trades were made over Jim's objections...and Ainge seems to feel they're going in the right direction...Jim doesn't...too bad...he did a great job there... "

MightyToine
01-27-2004, 05:39 PM
Originally posted by: Nicky31
I bet the Celtic's go after Byron Scott to replace O'Brien.


Talk about Irony....And imagine if the Nets go and hire O'Brien! LOL!!

Hitman
01-27-2004, 05:47 PM
There is now NOT ONE coach left from ANY of last year's Eastern Conference playoff teams.

That is unbelievable.

EricaLubarsky
01-27-2004, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by: Hitman
There is now NOT ONE coach left from ANY of last year's Eastern Conference playoff teams.

That is unbelievable.

I thought Terry Stotts was a coach in Atlanta last year....

but at 14-31 he would probably be fired if it wasnt for the impending sale.

dude1394
01-27-2004, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by: MightyToine
Jim O'Brien is a Defensive-minded coach...Plus, he still never got over the Walker trade(He practically loved him....umm...not in *that* way, though...lol)


Perhaps the Mavs would be interested in adding an ASSISTANT coach who preaches nothing but defense to their team of Coaches?? If it's one thing the Mavs can't have too much of...It's Defense. i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

How about Derek Harper for Chris Mihm...

seelenjaeger
01-27-2004, 08:33 PM
Actually I think this was a move to get Byron Scott to Boston.

If there was something brewing between Ainge and OŽBrien there was no better moment to get overboard with stuff behind the scenes to grab a top notch coach with some hate breeding for NJ ...

dude1394
01-27-2004, 08:38 PM
I am shocked that obrien would quit and forfeit a guaranteed contract. Unless the celtics plan to honor it.

superheadcat
01-27-2004, 08:40 PM
Vote: O'Brien vs. Ainge -- who's right?

1) The Celtics were 12-22 when O'Brien took over during the 2000-01 season. Under O'Brien, the Celtics were 139-119. How would you describe O'Brien's three-year tenure as coach of the Celtics?
49.3% Very successful
43.5% Somewhat successful
6.6% Marginally successful
0.5% Unsuccessful

2) Fact or Fiction: Jim O'Brien is a better coach than his mentor, Rick Pitino.
75.3% Fact
24.7% Fiction

3) Who should have the last word on roster moves?
65.7% Director of Basketball Operations
34.3% Head Coach

4) Who should have the last word on playing time?
97.0% Head Coach
3.0% Director of Basketball Operations

5) Whose judgment would you trust more?
76.9% Jim O'Brien's
23.1% Danny Ainge's

6) Ainge's philosophy is to build for the future. O'Brien wanted to win now. Which makes more sense in this situation?
50.5% Win now
49.5% Build for the future

7) Before the season, Ainge traded Antoine Walker and Tony Delk for Raef LaFrentz, Jiri Welsch, Chris Mills and a 2004 first-round pick. How would you describe the trade?
65.1% Bad deal for the Celtics
34.9% Good deal for the Celtics

8) During the season, Ainge traded Tony Battie, Eric Williams and Kedrick Brown for Ricky Davis, Chris Mihm, Michael Stewart and a second-round pick. How would you describe the trade?
52.6% Bad deal for the Celtics
47.4% Good deal for the Celtics

9) Does Jim O'Brien deserve another NBA head coaching job?
97.4% Yes
2.6% No

10) When do you expect O'Brien to get another NBA head coaching job?
60.7% Next year
21.1% Down the road
16.9% This year
1.2% Never

11) How would you describe the fact that O'Brien is walking away from his team and the final two years of his contract?
74.6% Honorable
14.3% Crazy
11.1% Disloyal

12) Will Ainge name himself head coach in the next year?
68.3% No
31.7% Yes

13) Who will be head coach of his own team first?
41.4% Neither
31.6% Isiah Thomas (Knicks)
27.0% Danny Ainge (Celtics)

14) Whom should Ainge hire to replace O'Brien?
19.6% Byron Scott
17.9% Someone else
16.2% Dennis Johnson
14.2% George Karl
13.2% Doc Rivers
12.8% Mike Fratello
3.2% Doug Collins
2.9% Danny Ainge

15) Which former Celtic player or coach would make the best candidate to replace O'Brien?
30.3% Larry Bird
11.8% Rick Carlisle
7.0% Dennis Johnson
6.9% Red Auerbach
5.5% Tom Heinsohn
5.5% Bill Walton
5.4% Paul Westphal
3.8% Paul Silas
3.3% Bill Russell
2.9% Don Nelson
2.9% Dave Cowens
2.3% Paul Pierce
1.8% Kevin McHale
1.8% K.C. Jones
1.2% Robert Parish
1.0% Chris Ford
0.9% Don Chaney
0.9% Bob Cousy
0.9% Cedric Maxwell
0.7% Rick Pitino
0.6% John Havlicek
0.6% Jim Paxson
0.5% Jerry Sichting
0.4% M.L. Carr
0.4% Scott Wedman
0.4% Bill Fitch

total Votes: 11,566

seelenjaeger
01-27-2004, 10:24 PM
Larry Bird taking over would be huge for the Celts. However, I cannot see him bowing to Ainge.

EricaLubarsky
01-27-2004, 11:38 PM
15) Which former Celtic player or coach would make the best candidate to replace O'Brien?
2.9% Don Nelson

I thought this was funny.

Max Power
01-28-2004, 08:44 AM
I didn't realize that the gap was so wide between Ainge and O'Brien.

Big Boy Laroux
01-28-2004, 08:53 AM
erica, atlanta didn't make the playoffs last year, which is what hitman said. "Playoff Teams"

but stotts is indeed the longest tenured coach in the eastern conference.

MightyToine
01-28-2004, 09:08 AM
Ainge's vision seems blurry
His grand plan hard to discern
By Michael Holley, Globe Columnist, 1/28/2004

Odd couples have worked well together in the past, but the Jim O'Brien-Danny Ainge union was doomed from the beginning. Are you really surprised that this shotgun marriage ended in less than a year?

It may have been a shock to hear that the head coach of the Celtics resigned during the same week the Patriots were preparing for the Super Bowl. It may have been stunning to learn that the resignation took place after 46 games, with the Celtics positioned as one of the "top" six teams in the flimsy, see-through Eastern Conference.

But a surprise for basketball reasons? Not if you've been paying attention.

Ainge arrived in Boston awkwardly, in the middle of a playoff series the Celtics lost to the Nets. His connection with O'Brien was just as wobbly and unnatural.

As a television analyst, Ainge said he hated the way the Celtics played. And he hated the way Antoine Walker played. And he felt the Celtics, who were two wins away from the NBA Finals in 2002, overachieved and weren't a legitimate contending team.

O'Brien didn't hate the way his team played; he believed their 3-point shooting style was necessary. Walker didn't repulse him; O'Brien considered the former cocaptain to be a valuable player and friend. He had few negative things to say about the '02 Celtics; he actually liked them very much.

Ainge and O'Brien would have been great contrasting costars in a reality show. They may have even been a good radio team -- with disagreement as the shtick -- on morning drive. They were never going to see pro basketball the same way, and that was obvious at least once a month.

(Call me cynical, but I never believed that O'Brien's contract extension was a sign that Ainge loved him.)

Remember the time Ainge said he believed in developing young players at the expense of a win or two? O'Brien countered by saying he believed in winning all games and giving time to those who deserved it.

Remember Kedrick Brown in the starting lineup? O'Brien didn't play the swingman for two seasons, presumably because he didn't think he could do the job. Ainge comes aboard and suddenly Brown is part of the plan.

Come on.

Remember part of the logic in the Walker trade? Not only did Ainge say that Walker had a "grasp" on the organization (whatever that means), he also believed that some of Walker's production could be replaced by Vin Baker.

Baker is a thoughtful and kind man who also happens to be a recovering alcoholic. Outside of basketball, anyone with a heart is rooting for him to do well. But if you're the executive of an NBA team, how can you trade a proven 20-point scorer with no off-court issues and plan to replace him with someone who is struggling to overcome a serious addiction?

There are lots of unanswered questions in the Ainge Era of Boston basketball.

It's still not clear why he unnecessarily blew up a competitive team in the pathetic East. Indiana is the best team in the conference now, and the Celtics handled the Pacers in last season's playoffs (you can blame Isiah Thomas all you want; the Celtics won the series in six games). The '02 Celtics beat Detroit in five games, and the Pistons are the second-best team in the conference. New Jersey treats Boston like an intramural team, but that disparity would have shrunk considerably if ownership/Ainge had been willing to spend money on a mid-level exception player in the offseason.

It's still not clear where Ainge is going with his master plan. On one hand, he indicates that Walker's strong personality and dominance of the ball was impairing the growth of the team. On the other hand -- in the middle of a five-game winning streak, no less -- he goes out and trades for Ricky Davis, a talented kid who isn't yet 25 but already is on Team No. 4.

How can you trade Walker and bring in Davis, whose defining moment remains purposely missing a shot so he could try to cop a triple double? How can you concede in the East? How can you acquire four players (Davis, Chris Mihm, Jumaine Jones, Michael Stewart) from last season's Cavaliers, a team that won 17 games?

The last time a Celtics coach resigned in January, he did himself and the organization a favor. Rick Pitino was stressed, exhausted, and not getting through to his players. This time it's the opposite. O'Brien was a good coach here, one who took whatever was given to him and made something respectable out of it.

I was never wild about the free rein he gave Walker on the perimeter, but only a fool would quibble with the coach's results. He was honest, he was impeccably prepared, and his players respected his consistent, no-flash style.

He should be applauded for keeping his composure through a lot of unintentional sabotaging of his work. He had to deal with the Baker trade that he didn't want. He had to keep his team together when Baker's problems became known. He had to coach under a boss who comes from a different basketball school -- even if we don't know what that school is yet. He had to watch his boss push the reset button after he had developed enough chemistry for the Celtics to win five in a row.

He's gone now, and the Celtics are going to miss him.

This team is one piece closer to being Ainge's, now that he will be able to hire a coach who thinks the way he does. If the early days of Ainge's leadership indicate what is to come, the future is nothing to look forward to.

Michael Holley is a Globe columnist. His e-mail address is holley@globe.com.

OutletPass
01-28-2004, 09:10 AM
And Stotts has been on the job for how long ? Isn't it like 13 months or so...I believe that I read something like that last night on ESPN...

Very weird... can anyone wonder anymore why the Leastern Conference is so messed up.

MavKikiNYC
01-28-2004, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by: seelenjaeger
Larry Bird taking over would be huge for the Celts. However, I cannot see him bowing to Ainge.


Don Nelson might work out okay though, because he bent over for Danny in that Jiri for Walker trade.

PubaNWO
01-29-2004, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by: superheadcat
Vote: O'Brien vs. Ainge -- who's right?

1) The Celtics were 12-22 when O'Brien took over during the 2000-01 season. Under O'Brien, the Celtics were 139-119. How would you describe O'Brien's three-year tenure as coach of the Celtics?
49.3% Very successful
43.5% Somewhat successful
6.6% Marginally successful
0.5% Unsuccessful

2) Fact or Fiction: Jim O'Brien is a better coach than his mentor, Rick Pitino.
75.3% Fact
24.7% Fiction

3) Who should have the last word on roster moves?
65.7% Director of Basketball Operations
34.3% Head Coach

4) Who should have the last word on playing time?
97.0% Head Coach
3.0% Director of Basketball Operations

5) Whose judgment would you trust more?
76.9% Jim O'Brien's
23.1% Danny Ainge's

6) Ainge's philosophy is to build for the future. O'Brien wanted to win now. Which makes more sense in this situation?
50.5% Win now
49.5% Build for the future

7) Before the season, Ainge traded Antoine Walker and Tony Delk for Raef LaFrentz, Jiri Welsch, Chris Mills and a 2004 first-round pick. How would you describe the trade?
65.1% Bad deal for the Celtics
34.9% Good deal for the Celtics

8) During the season, Ainge traded Tony Battie, Eric Williams and Kedrick Brown for Ricky Davis, Chris Mihm, Michael Stewart and a second-round pick. How would you describe the trade?
52.6% Bad deal for the Celtics
47.4% Good deal for the Celtics

9) Does Jim O'Brien deserve another NBA head coaching job?
97.4% Yes
2.6% No

10) When do you expect O'Brien to get another NBA head coaching job?
60.7% Next year
21.1% Down the road
16.9% This year
1.2% Never

11) How would you describe the fact that O'Brien is walking away from his team and the final two years of his contract?
74.6% Honorable
14.3% Crazy
11.1% Disloyal

12) Will Ainge name himself head coach in the next year?
68.3% No
31.7% Yes

13) Who will be head coach of his own team first?
41.4% Neither
31.6% Isiah Thomas (Knicks)
27.0% Danny Ainge (Celtics)

14) Whom should Ainge hire to replace O'Brien?
19.6% Byron Scott
17.9% Someone else
16.2% Dennis Johnson
14.2% George Karl
13.2% Doc Rivers
12.8% Mike Fratello
3.2% Doug Collins
2.9% Danny Ainge

15) Which former Celtic player or coach would make the best candidate to replace O'Brien?
30.3% Larry Bird
11.8% Rick Carlisle
7.0% Dennis Johnson
6.9% Red Auerbach
5.5% Tom Heinsohn
5.5% Bill Walton
5.4% Paul Westphal
3.8% Paul Silas
3.3% Bill Russell
2.9% Don Nelson
2.9% Dave Cowens
2.3% Paul Pierce
1.8% Kevin McHale
1.8% K.C. Jones
1.2% Robert Parish
1.0% Chris Ford
0.9% Don Chaney
0.9% Bob Cousy
0.9% Cedric Maxwell
0.7% Rick Pitino
0.6% John Havlicek
0.6% Jim Paxson
0.5% Jerry Sichting
0.4% M.L. Carr
0.4% Scott Wedman
0.4% Bill Fitch

total Votes: 11,566


Question 15 is funny. Pierce isn't a former coach or player....he's still with the team....could this mean Pierce is as good as gone????

LOL!