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bcrav4
01-28-2004, 02:45 PM
It looks like the Mavericks are seriously considering getting Scott Williams???
I was under the impresssion that the mavericks wanted a shot-BLOCKING center
to try to replicate what bradley does when he is out?

Anyway Willimas is ranked #50 among centers in the NBA (according to sportsline),
while bradley is ranked like 47, btw Brendan Haywood (mentioned in Star Telegram)
is ranked #34!! Let's get Haywood if we can b/c he averages at least 1blk/game in
16mins.

Link to ESPN article (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=1720587)

ddh33
01-28-2004, 03:26 PM
Haywood is a lot harder to get. He's a young kid with quite a bit oif value. If Washington is serious about trading him, they could at least get a first round pick - something we don't have this year.

Scott Williams is a very good fit here. He's one of those savvy vets that Nellie loves. They always tend to play really well for him - Walt, Popeye (before injury), Avery, etc. Williams can defend, rebound, be a great lockerroom guy, and not disrupt chemistry. If we get him, we should be pretty happy.

MikeB
01-28-2004, 03:28 PM
Its not that we need a shot blocking C as much as we need a taller than 6-7 post defender. Currently our post defenders after Bradley are Dirk, Walker, Jamison, and Fortson..with Dirk being the only one over 6-9. Williams is a legitimate 6-10 post defender who will rebound and can hit an open 15 footer. That is what we need.

dirno2000
01-28-2004, 05:35 PM
The Ticket is reporting that he's been waived.

superheadcat
01-28-2004, 05:36 PM
Suns release Scott Williams
The Arizona Republic
Jan. 28, 2004 03:11 PM


The Phoenix Suns granted Scott Williams his wishes and released the veteran center.

The roster move leaves the Suns with 13 players and gives Williams the opportunity to be claimed by another team. It is believed that the Dallas Mavericks, who are looking for help on their front line, are one of the teams interested in signing him.

"We are happy to accommodate Scott's desire to be released in light of our current direction," said Suns President and General Manager Bryan Colangelo. "Scott has made great contributions to our organization and we look forward to continuing our relationship in the future."

Williams' lack of playing time over the past several weeks has coincided with the youth movement that has taken hold of the franchise since the trade of Stephon Marbury and Penny Hardaway to the New York Knicks. Williams was offered a job on the coaching staff this year, but he rejected the offer.

The 35 year-old started 10 games this season and averaged 7.3 points and 4.25 rebounds. Williams has averaged 5.3 points and 4.9 rebounds in a career that has spanned 13 years and five NBA teams.

Blonde Bomber
01-28-2004, 05:38 PM
next stop...DALLAS

bcrav4
01-28-2004, 06:21 PM
We can only hope, he may get taken by a team w/a worse record than us....I've been researching this guy & the more i see the more i like!

Let's teach him 2 block, it's a big part of defense...but so are steals and he has plenty of those.




I wonder if he can slow shaq, td, or garnett for us?

Quetzalcoatl
01-28-2004, 06:23 PM
Yes!!, why not? I think he could help. It's true that the veteran players normally (normally) don't alter the chemical. I hope he will be our Mychal Thompson i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

Max Power
01-28-2004, 06:32 PM
Originally posted by: Blonde Bomber
next stop...DALLAS

(fingers crossed)

Anyone know how long it takes to clear waivers - I would think it would be a couple of days but...

Poindexter Einstein
01-28-2004, 06:52 PM
Waiver period = 48 hours

Max Power
01-28-2004, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by: Poindexter Einstein
Waiver period = 48 hours

Thanks for the info

uberfan
01-28-2004, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by: Max Power

Originally posted by: Blonde Bomber
next stop...DALLAS

(fingers crossed)

Anyone know how long it takes to clear waivers - I would think it would be a couple of days but...

Except we don't want him to clear waivers, we want to claim him off waivers, correct?

Max Power
01-28-2004, 08:23 PM
We have to wait until the waiver period is over before we know if another team has put in a claim.

ReDIRKulous
01-29-2004, 01:24 AM
Why isn't LA interested in him? Especially considering that he knows the triangle. I guess he is kind of another Horace Grant to them.

Max Power
01-29-2004, 01:53 AM
Originally posted by: ReDIRKulous
Why isn't LA interested in him? Especially considering that he knows the triangle. I guess he is kind of another Horace Grant to them.

Phil Jackson hates to make mid-season changes to his team. The team he goes out of training camp with is the one he wants to take to the playoffs.

OutletPass
01-29-2004, 01:54 AM
Good question, reDirk...

A lot of people on this board were posting (over and over) about Mamadou in the last few weeks...without realizing that NO ONE ELSE wanted him. (or that he'd only played 33 games in 4 years with non-existent production). You can find similar huff and puff stuff about Slavko Vranes... You can even go back and find old posts about how Fortson would come to the 5 and be a double double player for us.

Williams is 36..never a great player...and gets no real PT in Phoenix...he'll get 16 minutes...then sit for 2 games...then 10 minutes...then sit for a game...then 12 minutes...and then sit for 3 games...

Williams won't hurt us BUT he won't help us either...on the Court.
If he's a vet leader, like Avery, in the clubhouse...I'm ok with that.

But, this is much ado about nothing.

OutletPass
01-29-2004, 02:55 AM
His totals for the month of January are:

Zero
Zero
Zero
Zero and
Zero

Not one minute of PT for freaking ugly stuff Phoenix.

Spare me.

uberfan
01-29-2004, 08:46 AM
From today's Dallas Morning News:

Waiting game: The Mavericks have an interest in Scott Williams , the 14-year NBA veteran forward/center who was waived by Phoenix on Wednesday.

If no team lower in the standings picks up Williams, the Mavericks may claim him off the waiver wire, possibly as soon as today. However, they are at the mercy of teams such as the Lakers, who would be able to claim him before the Mavericks could get a shot.

madape
01-29-2004, 09:39 AM
I think I read he's coming here more to give us a veteran voice in the locker room than to give us actual big man production. An insurance policy that helps team chemistry.

Blonde Bomber
01-29-2004, 09:46 AM
Like Mad said...he would be here for a vocal leader in the clubhouse. He also is a big body who has fouls to give. I'd rather see Williams in there having to body up Malone in the playoffs rather than Dirk.

zanahale
01-29-2004, 09:49 AM
Have some bad news, as it turns out, it looks like the Lakers are interested in Scott Williams as well and they apparently (from what I have gathered) are ahead of us in the pecking order...that will really piss me off if they get him just so we dont!

see http://www.hoopshype.com

Click on the rumours link "Kobe a Clipper?" and there you will see a LA Times aritcle link.

MikeB
01-29-2004, 09:51 AM
OP

The main reason he has a bunch of zeros for Jan is that Phoenix BLEW up their team and went with the young guys...not because he couldn't help them. He would be better for this team than a sore kneed Eddie Najera.

kg_veteran
01-29-2004, 09:57 AM
OP, I think it all depends upon your expectations of Williams.

If you're expecting him to come in and start at center, play 25-30 minutes a night and shut down opposing big men, well, you're probably expecting way too much. Then again, I don't know anybody who's expecting that.

If, however, you're just expecting that he'll come in and give you another option that could play 10-15 minutes if needed and be a smart, veteran player, well, I think Williams can do that. That's pretty much what I'm expecting.

His playing time in Phoenix has been sporadic at least in part due to injury. Also, Phoenix is focusing on playing young guys; why would they give significant minutes to Williams?

It probably is much ado about nothing, but it's not like everybody expects the guy to come in and turn the team into a defensive juggernaut.

kg_veteran
01-29-2004, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by: zanahale
Have some bad news, as it turns out, it looks like the Lakers are interested in Scott Williams as well and they apparently (from what I have gathered) are ahead of us in the pecking order...that will really piss me off if they get him just so we dont!

see http://www.hoopshype.com

Click on the rumours link "Kobe a Clipper?" and there you will see a LA Times aritcle link.

This is particularly true in light of the continuing serious nature of Malone's injury (expected out until late March) and Brian Cook's injury (out 6 weeks or so). Who knows? Maybe Williams would really prefer to go to LA anyway...

MikeB
01-29-2004, 10:07 AM
The Lakers are now % points ahead of us now. Does that mean our claim would be accepted first?

Blonde Bomber
01-29-2004, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by: MikeB
The Lakers are now % points ahead of us now. Does that mean our claim would be accepted first?


If I'm right, we were percentage points ahead of the Lakers at the time Williams was released. But then the loss to Utah put us behind them.

MikeB
01-29-2004, 10:18 AM
Correct...but is it from when he was released or from when he is claimed?

Poindexter Einstein
01-29-2004, 10:56 AM
It is unclear if LA is interested or not - the article merely said they had talked about Williams. It does appear that any interest they might have would be based on need rather than on a desire to foil Dallas.

LA would have to jettison a player from their roster if they put in a claim, they already have 15.

It is also unclear who would win the waiver claim if it came down to LA and Dallas. Since teams might make their claim at any time within the 48 hr window, it most likely is determined by the awarding moment (ie, end of 48 hrs) which would mean Dallas would get him over LA.

kingrex
01-29-2004, 11:02 AM
Harper seems to be of the opinion that the Mavs are very interested in this guy. He reported that in the pre-game show before the Utah game.

I think he would be the type of player we need. He will bring something we don't have at the center spot a combination of toughness, play-off experience and reportedly locker room presence. It's worth a try, especially since Sabonis doesn't look like he wants to return to the NBA any time soon.

ReDIRKulous
01-29-2004, 11:07 AM
It is really weird that the Lakers were specifically mentioned as the only team that wouldn't guarantee they wouldn't claim him.

If he said that he didn't want to play in LA do you think they would still take him? Considering that he was the guy that took Malone out of action would Malone even want to play next to him? It would be like Suns picking up Fortson. lol

uberfan
01-29-2004, 11:08 AM
Originally posted by: kingrex
Harper seems to be of the opinion that the Mavs are very interested in this guy. He reported that in the pre-game show before the Utah game.

I think he would be the type of player we need. He will bring something we don't have at the center spot a combination of toughness, play-off experience and reportedly locker room presence. It's worth a try, especially since Sabonis doesn't look like he wants to return to the NBA any time soon.

Harper also said the he passes from the post pretty well. Can't have too many people who can do that on this team. I guess we will know something soon. Cuban said in FWST that Mavs were putting in a claim.

ReDIRKulous
01-29-2004, 11:10 AM
DFWstar (http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/basketball/7824146.htm)

Posted on Thu, Jan. 29, 2004

Mavs plan to claim Williams
By Art Garcia
Star-Telegram Staff Writer

The Mavericks' search for frontline help has turned to veteran center Scott Williams. Mark Cuban told the Star-Telegram on Wednesday night the Mavs intend to claim Williams off waivers.

Phoenix waived Williams (6-foot-10, 260 pounds) earlier in the day after the 35-year-old declined an offer to join the Suns' coaching staff. Williams, on the injured list for 21 games this season because of left thumb surgery and back spasms, appeared in 16 games, including 10 starts, and averaged 7.3 points and 4.5 rebounds in 16.7 minutes per game.

"He's purely an insurance policy against injuries to Danny [Fortson] and Shawn [Bradley]," Cuban said. "We don't expect him to come in and start, but he is a vet that has been through the wars, knows how to play, can rebound and hit the open shot. That's an insurance policy that is nice to have."

The Star-Telegram first reported the Mavs' interest in Williams on Saturday. With only one true center (Bradley) on the roster, the Mavs have been in the market for additional frontcourt help. Dirk Nowitzki, naturally a forward, has been forced to play center more than the coaching staff intended.

Though any team with a worse record than the Mavericks can claim Williams, teams with priority ahead of the Mavs have reportedly assured Williams and his agent, Arn Tellem, that they will pass. It takes 48 hours for a player to clear waivers.

Williams, a 14-year veteran, was a member of three championship teams in Chicago (1991-93) and has also played with Milwaukee, Philadelphia and Denver.

With the addition of Williams, the Mavs will have a full roster of 15 players.

kingrex
01-29-2004, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by: uberfan

Originally posted by: kingrex
Harper seems to be of the opinion that the Mavs are very interested in this guy. He reported that in the pre-game show before the Utah game.

I think he would be the type of player we need. He will bring something we don't have at the center spot a combination of toughness, play-off experience and reportedly locker room presence. It's worth a try, especially since Sabonis doesn't look like he wants to return to the NBA any time soon.

Harper also said the he passes from the post pretty well. Can't have too many people who can do that on this team. I guess we will know something soon. Cuban said in FWST that Mavs were putting in a claim.

Moreover, Custer reported that Williams wants to play in Dallas. We'll see what happens I guess.

superheadcat
01-29-2004, 01:47 PM
from arizona republic:
"sources said that every team ahead of Dallas in the pecking order with the exception of the Los Angeles Lakers assured Williams and his agent, Arn Tellem, that they would not claim the 35-year-old center. The Lakers had expressed no interest earlier, Williams said."

maybe a strategy his agent uses to get more money out of cuban?

EricaLubarsky
01-29-2004, 02:39 PM
http://www.cnnsi.com/basketball/nba/2003/playoffs/news/2003/04/25/spurs_suns_ap/t1_duncan_ap.jpg

how do you like this picture

kingrex
01-29-2004, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by: EricaLubarsky
http://www.cnnsi.com/basketball/nba/2003/playoffs/news/2003/04/25/spurs_suns_ap/t1_duncan_ap.jpg

how do you like this picture

I think I'd like it better if his jersey read Dallas instead of Suns. i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

bcrav4
01-29-2004, 04:44 PM
Hey espn updated their article:

" According to league rules, waiver claims are based on the record at the time of the player's release. Although the Lakers leapfrogged the Mavericks in the Western Conference standings after Wednesday's games, Dallas had the higher winning percentage (.644 to .634) at the time Williams was waived. Which means that the Lakers would get Williams if both teams claimed him.


League sources told ESPN.com on Tuesday that Williams' agent, Arn Tellem, was "working to ensure that other teams (besides Dallas) don't claim him." When Williams was released at 6 p.m. EST on Wednesday, according to sources, all indications still pointed to Dallas being the only team planning to claim him.


Williams has said that if he can't choose the team that secures his rights, he'd prefer to finish the season on the Suns' bench. The Lakers, though, might also appeal to Williams as an 11th-hour option, since he played for coach Phil Jackson on the first three of Chicago's championship teams. Williams, ironically, was unintentionally responsible for Malone's knee problems, falling into him on Dec. 21 to leave Malone with the first long-term injury of his 19-season career. "

ReDIRKulous
01-29-2004, 05:59 PM
Those damn Lakers better not get him!

kg_veteran
01-29-2004, 06:02 PM
Honestly, I'd like to have him but I'm not going to shed too many tears if the Lakers pick him up.

ReDIRKulous
01-29-2004, 07:10 PM
I would shed one tear... just for the fact that we can't get any free agent big man to come to the Mavs and that Phil Jackson would consider it a psychological victory.

Poindexter Einstein
01-29-2004, 08:57 PM
REDIRK .... There are plenty of "Plan B" options out there, if this one doesnt work, and there are still about 3 wks til the trade deadline. No need to get all lathered up over Williams either way, frankly. Maybe he comes, maybe he doesnt.

Max Power
01-29-2004, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by: superheadcat
from arizona republic:
"sources said that every team ahead of Dallas in the pecking order with the exception of the Los Angeles Lakers assured Williams and his agent, Arn Tellem, that they would not claim the 35-year-old center. The Lakers had expressed no interest earlier, Williams said."

maybe a strategy his agent uses to get more money out of cuban?

When we claim him we inherit his contract. He can't get more money.

superheadcat
01-29-2004, 11:00 PM
Originally posted by: Max Power
When we claim him we inherit his contract. He can't get more money.

thx.

Psychedelic Fuzz
01-29-2004, 11:51 PM
I smell the Tyrone Hill thing happening all over again.

superheadcat
01-30-2004, 12:28 AM
from la times:
"The Lakers are not expected to put in a claim on Scott Williams, waived Wednesday by the Phoenix Suns, by today's deadline, according to a league source. Williams reportedly would prefer to play for the Dallas Mavericks."

i am quite curious to watch his performance.

DubOverdose
01-30-2004, 12:33 AM
How soon do you think we will see him play if Dallas gets him?

Blonde Bomber
01-30-2004, 09:32 AM
Isn't today the day the 48 hr. period ends? We should know something one way or the other by the end of today.

Max Power
01-30-2004, 10:22 AM
Originally posted by: Blonde Bomber
Isn't today the day the 48 hr. period ends? We should know something one way or the other by the end of today.

Assuming the league office processes the claim today. They >might< wait until Monday morning (especially because it is Cuban and the Mavs).

Poindexter Einstein
01-30-2004, 11:18 AM
48 hrs ends early Fri afternoon. If claimed, Williams' contract will be assigned immediately at that point to whichever team, and there will be a blurb on the AP transaction wire, plus perhaps a press conference or announcement by that team.

Jamisonite
01-30-2004, 11:34 AM
But i doubt we see him actually play for awhile...unless its garbage time

kingrex
01-30-2004, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by: Jamisonite
But i doubt we see him actually play for awhile...unless its garbage time

He really just needs to learn the defense. After that period of the learning curve, then I predict he will be another situational substitute player like Fortson and Bradley. I like what he brings.

seelenjaeger
01-30-2004, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by: kingrex

Originally posted by: Jamisonite
But i doubt we see him actually play for awhile...unless its garbage time

He really just needs to learn the defense. After that period of the learning curve, then I predict he will be another situational substitute player like Fortson and Bradley. I like what he brings.

Loooooooooooooooooooooooool.

He has to LEARN our defense? Hell, I thought he plays more of inside D than anyone outside Mr. Bradley ... so its more like he has to TEACH some before he hits the floor ....

Dirkenstien
01-30-2004, 01:46 PM
this really is a perfect alternative. I would rather have acquired Haywood via trade but this way we can keep our roster together while adding on basically what we needed to get through trade. Good situation for us and id be thrilled if it goes through.

texasflip
01-31-2004, 03:09 AM
Got him
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ESPN.com news services

The Dallas Mavericks on Friday claimed veteran power forward Scott Williams off waivers and assumed his contract for the remainder of the season.


The 6-foot-10 Williams was waived by the Phoenix Suns on Wednesday. He cleared the 48-hour window for which other teams could submit claims. The Los Angeles Lakers, a team that could use a forward like Williams to help fill in for the injured Karl Malone, was a potential rival for Williams' services.


"The Lakers didn't put a claim on him," agent Arn Tellem said. "He's happy. This is what he wanted."


Williams, 35, started in 10 of his 16 games played for the Suns this season, averaging 7.3 points and 4.5 rebounds in 16.7 minutes. He won three NBA titles with the Chicago Bulls from 1991-93.


One of the league's worst defensive teams, the Mavericks have allowed teams to score 99.8 points -- the highest opponents' average of any NBA team.


Williams is expected to be uniform Saturday against Denver.


Dallas had an open spot on its roster and did not have to make another move.

uberfan
01-31-2004, 07:57 AM
Mavs' new center piece brings a lot to table

Williams could be big help as a middle man


12:58 AM CST on Saturday, January 31, 2004


By EDDIE SEFKO / The Dallas Morning News



The Scott Williams of 1994 would have been a tremendous addition to the Mavericks.

How much he has left in the tank in 2004 remains to be seen. But the Mavericks believe they received some much-needed insurance at the center position Friday when they claimed the 6-10, 260-pounder off waivers.

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As far as the former Phoenix Sun is concerned, it's a dream come true.

"I can't wait to get there and start helping the Big Three-plus," Williams said Friday evening before catching a flight from Phoenix to Dallas. "I've always prided myself in playing well in the bigger games. It's going to be a lot of fun, and I'm looking forward to getting nasty in the paint with those guys."

Williams, a 14-year NBA veteran, said the situation got tense for him shortly before the 5 p.m. deadline Friday for teams to claim him off waivers.

"It got a little hairy at the end with Miami," Williams said. "They showed an interest, but I have to give credit to [Phoenix general manager] Bryan Colangelo. He and my agent told Miami if they claimed me, I wasn't going to report and would start coaching for the Suns. So that worked out. My wife and I are thrilled to be coming to Dallas."

Since Williams was making the minimum salary for somebody with more than 10 years of NBA experience, the Mavericks did not have to make any moves to accommodate Williams on the roster.

They think he is a perfect fit for what they need somebody to be a presence in the paint who has loads of playoff experience.

"We don't need a guy to trot out there 40 minutes a night," said Donnie Nelson, president of basketball operations/assistant coach. "We need a guy who's been through some of the playoff wars and understands his place on this team.

"Hopefully he can provide us some of that punch that we need in the middle, a guy who is more of a true center."

Williams had a thumb injury early this season, but he said he is fit now and expects to be in uniform today against Denver.

Shawn Bradley is the only other true center on the roster, although Danny Fortson, Eduardo Najera and Dirk Nowitzki all have pitched in at times in the pivot. Nelson said he expects the addition of Williams along with the return next week of Najera to ease the burden on Nowitzki, who has logged more minutes in the paint than the coaching staff would like.

At one time, Williams was more than just a functional center. He was on the Chicago Bulls' championship teams from 1991 to '93 and was a key contributor on the last two of those. Williams also played with Bradley in Philadelphia in the mid-'90s.

"Scott's a good dude," Bradley said. "He can hit the 16-foot jump shot. He's aggressive, and he's going to go for rebounds. Plus, he's smart and been in a lot of playoff games."

Najera still not ready: The waiting is really starting to bug Eduardo Najera.

The forward will have another strength test on his left knee Monday. If his leg is at least 80 percent as strong as his right leg, he will be cleared to practice and could resume playing sometime next week. He has been out since late December.

"I'm bored out of my mind," he said. "But the last thing I want is to hurry back and be back where I was. The truth is, I skipped rehab last year, and I'm paying for it now."

Najera came back from knee surgery last season without getting the knee back to full strength.

E-mail esefko@dallasnews.com

Jamisonite
01-31-2004, 01:11 PM
ah...finally its over...lol...im still hoping for another small scale move