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MikeB
02-19-2004, 08:39 AM
The Spurs are not the "choir boys" everybody seems to make them out to be. They are one of the dirtiest teams around but they are quiet about it. Where the Jailblazers of old would knock you down or trip you and then stand over you and glare or get in the refs faces about getting any call against them...the Spurs are much subtler. From last night, "TORONTO (AP) -- Tim Duncan and the San Antonio Spurs took advantage of Vince Carter's absence to post their sixth straight victory.

Duncan scored 26 points and tied a season-high with 21 rebounds as the Spurs beat the Toronto Raptors 86-82 Wednesday night.

Carter was helped off the court after injuring his left ankle with 7:46 left in the fourth quarter. The Toronto star rolled his ankle coming down on a jumper. He remained down for several minutes clutching the ankle before two teammates and the trainer helped him to the locker room.

The Spurs went on a 12-1 run after he left.

``When he went down, we took over from there,'' Duncan said. ``They didn't have anybody to go to.''

Carter, who will undergo an MRI exam on Thursday, scored a team-high 22 points.

Carter wondered if San Antonio's Bruce Bowen purposely tripped him up.

``I question whether it was an accident or whether it was on purpose, because it's not very often where you see somebody put their foot right under you like that,'' Carter said

I think the Spurs do this on a regular basis...they are dirty...them grab and hold and get away with it...they are a part of what is wrong with the NBA. Cheating and playing UGLY ball.

Nicky31
02-19-2004, 09:16 AM
This sounds alot like the AFC championship game between the Colt's vs. Patriot's were everyone was complaining that the refs were not making any calls against the Patriot's for holding or unnecessary roughness against the cornerbacks.

It's a proven point when a team is lacking over all talent they find other ways to get the job done. The Spur's are a one man team with Tim Duncan. If he goes down so do the Spur's..(Not saying 2 wrongs make a right, but sometimes a team needs a dose of it's own medicine once in awhile)...


All I can say in this situation is you reap what you sow...

Big Boy Laroux
02-19-2004, 09:26 AM
it's true that it's not often someone's foot goes under a shooter like that. but on the replay, vince shot, and bowen turned to watch the shot go toward the basket. in turning his body sideways, it looked as though he extended his foot. didn't look intentional to me.

MavsFanFinley
02-19-2004, 09:42 AM
They were talking about this on NBA Fastbreak last night. Legler and Aldridge (forgetting the other guys name) all said that they didn't think it was intentional, but there has been talk of Bowen already this year. Not to mention in previous years about his defensive antics.

samoan-maverick
02-19-2004, 10:17 AM
Ray Allen is another person that talked openly about Bruce playing Dirty.


Legler and Aldridge (forgetting the other guys name)

Its Greg Anthony, But nobody listens to him anyway.

TheBaron
02-19-2004, 03:22 PM
Thank you Bowen. Thank you. Playing in Toronto will be a bit easier now.

editoops. My bad.

Big Boy Laroux
02-19-2004, 04:03 PM
also, playing in toronto. i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

WayOutWest
02-19-2004, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by: TheBaron
Thank you Bowen. Thank you. Playing in Indiana will be a bit easier now.

WTF? i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif Carter was a Pacer the whole time?

You be the judge:

http://www.khiznews.com/BowenCarter.mpg

mary
02-19-2004, 04:21 PM
Thanks for the link WOW.

Obviously its a judgement call, but when Carter releases the ball, Bowen doesn't really look that close to him. Then Bowen swings his foot underneath Carter while he's turning around to watch the shot.

If he was right on top of Carter to begin with, I would say it probably wasn't intentional. But he really wasn't - its looks to me like there should have been plenty of space for Bowen to turn around.

At best, this one looks suspicious IMO.

WayOutWest
02-19-2004, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by: mary
Thanks for the link WOW.

Obviously its a judgement call, but when Carter releases the ball, Bowen doesn't really look that close to him. Then Bowen swings his foot underneath Carter while he's turning around to watch the shot.

If he was right on top of Carter to begin with, I would say it probably wasn't intentional. But he really wasn't - its looks to me like there should have been plenty of space for Bowen to turn around.

At best, this one looks suspicious IMO.

Kinda like that old adage about throwing rocks at birds, you don't really expect to hit one but the intent is there.

adage (sic?)

Big Boy Laroux
02-19-2004, 04:51 PM
i think you spelled it right.

i hadn't seen a replay. just saw it once on sportscenter. but i watched it a few times on that link. it does seem to be an exaggerated step. interesting.

TripleDipping
02-19-2004, 04:58 PM
It was deliberate if you asked me.

That step under Carter was clearly exagerrated.

kingrex
02-19-2004, 05:53 PM
It was unintentional, but it didn't look good. Bowen is an aggresive defender, so it is easy to conclude that when you get hurt it was his intent to do so.

mary
02-19-2004, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by: kingrex
It was unintentional, but it didn't look good. Bowen is an aggresive defender, so it is easy to conclude that when you get hurt it was his intent to do so.

Kingrex, I see it completely differently. I think since Bowen is a great defender, it would be easier to give him the benefit of the doubt. But in this case, I didn't really think Bowen was being all that agressive while Carter still had the ball in his hands. Had Carter went up with Bowen right on top of him, it would certainly be simple enough to dismiss it as incidental contact. But here, it at least looks like there was plenty of space for Bowen to turn around without shoving his foot underneath the shooter.

Murphy3
02-19-2004, 07:11 PM
Oh well, I don't like Carter anyways.
Perhaps Bowen can do the same to Iverson, NVE, JHo, and Antoine Walker?
Nah, I couldn't wish an injury on anyone.

However, if I had to pick 4 players that were to injure their ankles, I'd pick those 4.

ma-gaga
02-19-2004, 11:24 PM
Bowen freaking flying kicked Wally Szerbiak in the playoffs a couple of years ago. It was absolutely incredible, Wally pump faked him into the air at the three point line, and Bowen decided to stick his foot into Wally's grill in mid-air.

He's a punk. Both of em. But Bowen is a punk with intent...

Peja_owns
02-20-2004, 01:18 AM
Originally posted by: ma-gaga

He's a punk. Both of em. But Bowen is a punk with intent...


Just like danny fortson

MikeB
02-20-2004, 08:28 AM
Two years ago I was watching the Spurs against the Sonics in the playoffs and Bowen smacked Brent Barry in the mouth...the refs gave a double technical...my wife asked what Barry had done to deserve a T...I told her he hit Bowen...in the elbow with his face and he was white. The league office needs to do something about the ugly games of the "defensive" minded teams before they kill the NBA back to the tape delay finals games of the late 70s and early 80s.

MavKikiNYC
02-20-2004, 09:06 AM
Is this Bowen playing dirty again?

Or just a matter of Vince Carter getting injured ("injured") again. (AGAIN!)

bernardos70
02-20-2004, 11:23 PM
People really get pissed at Bruce Bowen, but I'm not sure what he did was intentional. Carter was probably pissed off at bowen's defense and when that happened he just tried to bring this to everyone's attention and imply that it was intentional.

grndmstr_c
02-21-2004, 02:24 PM
Fo those that are interested in Bowen's kick to Sczcerbiak's face, here's a page I found over on kingsfans.

http://funimg1.pchome.com.tw/img_upload/SPORTS/i/0/20030701_i0n6o0k2i_155752.gif

bernardos70
02-21-2004, 05:00 PM
Now that kick looks like he was trying to block the shot with his foot, you'll see Wally pump faking it. However, that has to be one of the most imprudent moves I've ever seen in the NBA, and should definitely be punished severely. When did this happen?

mmmfast
02-21-2004, 06:07 PM
B. Bowen = dirty

He kept his left leg extended while looking at W.S's face. He knew what he was doing.
That clip looked more like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon than covering the outside shooter.

Maybe he did or maybe he didn't intentionally put his foot under Carter, but the history is there on Bowen.
He has always been labeled as a tenacious defender and it seems you can get away with whatever you want as long as you have that "label" which OKs your actions on the court.

Maybe if the Mavs kicked a few faces in....hmmm.i/expressions/devil.gif

grndmstr_c
02-21-2004, 06:39 PM
Bernardos, March 1, 2002. Old news really, but I hadn't ever seen the footage of it. Figured some others probably hadn't as well.

Simon2
02-21-2004, 10:39 PM
Bowen is a dirty player. So happy last year when Nellie Hacked-a-bowen and humiliated the guy. How's his freethrow shooting this year?

mmmfast
02-22-2004, 02:35 PM
He's 55% from the line this year
As opposed to 40% last year

Maybe we should rethink the Goose-a-Bruce strategy if we meet postseason.

bernardos70
02-22-2004, 07:23 PM
Why should we? We should alternate hack-a-bowen AND hack-a-duncan, they're both sucking at it this year.

MightyToine
02-22-2004, 10:44 PM
Originally posted by: bernardos70
Why should we? We should alternate hack-a-bowen AND hack-a-duncan, they're both sucking at it this year.

But they in turn will Hack-a-walker so get out your hard hats 'cause there'll be plenty of bricks falling our way this postseason.... i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

bernardos70
02-22-2004, 11:16 PM
We bench walker, and go with a nowitzki, jamison, howard, finley, nash lineup. If they do the same, they won't be in any position to win the game i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

grndmstr_c
02-22-2004, 11:22 PM
You know what's funny is that our best ft shooting team might very well require that Fortson be out on the floor. Since the turning of the calender to '04 Danny has connected on 27 out of his 29 fta's.

captain_kingsfan
02-23-2004, 12:10 AM
I don't think the problem is Bowen's defense as much as it is the Mavs lack of defense...

http://img1.photobucket.com/albums/v40/slowtoreact/mavshavenod.jpg

grndmstr_c
02-23-2004, 12:18 AM
Perhaps your Kings might be better served if you helped them find their defense, as it also seems to have gone missing.

captain_kingsfan
02-23-2004, 12:32 AM
The Kings may not be the best defensive team in the league right now, but they are the best team in the league without Chris Webber, and with Brad Miller & Bobby Jackson on the bench.

bernardos70
02-23-2004, 01:19 AM
Awww, poor guys, if only you could shield players from ever being injured............. oops, oh yeah, that can't be done. Injuries are part of the game, deal with it i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

grndmstr_c
02-23-2004, 01:26 AM
Injuries are part of the game

So are the two losses the Mavs have hung on them this year.i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

captain_kingsfan
02-23-2004, 02:46 AM
In the game on Christmas Day, we were without Peja. Both games, we were without C-Webb. With C-Webb, the Kings own the Mavs.

But, I won't make excuses. i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

We'll see what happens come playoff time with both teams (hopefully) completely healthy.

Shaq Attack2
02-23-2004, 05:45 AM
Originally posted by: captain_kingsfan
In the game on Christmas Day, we were without Peja. Both games, we were without C-Webb. With C-Webb, the Kings own the Mavs.

But, I won't make excuses. i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

We'll see what happens come playoff time with both teams (hopefully) completely healthy.

Hey so when the Kings lose to the Mavs, Lakers, Spurs or Twolves this postseason, can all bball forums on the Internet be ride of you whining cow town Kings fans who continually use "Iron Man" Webber's absense as an excuse for losing?

Golly, I hope so.

TripleDipping
02-23-2004, 10:02 AM
So this thread has morphed from Bowen's play to King's fans' incessant whining. *Yawn*.

captain_kingsfan
02-24-2004, 12:07 AM
Originally posted by: Shaq Attack2

Originally posted by: captain_kingsfan
In the game on Christmas Day, we were without Peja. Both games, we were without C-Webb. With C-Webb, the Kings own the Mavs.

But, I won't make excuses. i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

We'll see what happens come playoff time with both teams (hopefully) completely healthy.

Hey so when the Kings lose to the Mavs, Lakers, Spurs or Twolves this postseason, can all bball forums on the Internet be ride of you whining cow town Kings fans who continually use "Iron Man" Webber's absense as an excuse for losing?

Golly, I hope so.

If Shaq suddenly went down with an injury in the playoffs, I'd like to see the Lakers advance to the next round. Ditto for the T'Wolves with KG, the Spurs with Tim, and the Mavs with Dirk.

In fact, the Mavs have already shown that they couldn't last year.

Big Boy Laroux
02-25-2004, 02:53 PM
here's a clip of what ma-gaga was talking about. felt i had to add it in here:

http://funimg1.pchome.com.tw/img_upload/SPORTS/i/0/20030701_i0n6o0k2i_155752.gif

bingocasino
02-25-2004, 03:33 PM
wow mr. miyagi has done some exellent work on bowen.

Member
02-25-2004, 07:23 PM
that bruce bowen ninja kick is hilarious