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Chicago JK
03-01-2004, 10:55 AM
Man...does everything Webber touch wilt and die? Two final four appearances are off the book and now maybe three high school championships may be stricken from the record.
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/basketball/nba/03/01/bc.bkn.webber.booster.ap/index.html

Report: Webber was ineligible in high school
Posted: Monday March 1, 2004 9:03AM; Updated: Monday March 1, 2004 9:03AM





DETROIT (AP) -- Chris Webber was ineligible when he played basketball in high school because of his relationship with booster Ed Martin, the Detroit Free Press reported Monday.

The Michigan High School Athletic Association made the ruling Sunday, saying Webber was ineligible during the time he played at Birmingham Detroit Country Day, the newspaper reported. The association's executive director also urged the school to forfeit the three state championships it won with Webber.



Martin, who died Feb. 14, 2003, said he gave Webber and his family $280,000 from 1988-93, a period extending from his freshman year of high school through his sophomore season at the University of Michigan. Webber left for the NBA after helping the Wolverines reach the NCAA title game in both of his college seasons.

Webber, who now plays for the Sacramento Kings, was sentenced to community service last summer after pleading guilty to criminal contempt for lying to a grand jury about his dealings with Martin.

Jack Roberts, executive director of the MHSAA, said he found overwhelming evidence that the Webbers -- Chris; his father, Mayce Webber Jr.; and an aunt, Charlene Johnson -- received gifts and money that violated Webber's amateur standing, making him ineligible to compete in high school athletics.

"I think they should do it [forfeit the titles]," Roberts told the newspaper. "I've said it at the first, second and third meetings with them that they should voluntarily forfeit the contests and return the team championships and get it over."

Kurt Keener, Country Day's basketball coach and athletic director, said the school's headmaster would hold a news conference Monday or Tuesday to explain the situation.

Keener said he spoke with Webber's parents, who denied receiving gifts that would violate their son's amateur standing. Keener said he also spoke to Webber's attorney, who said his amateur standing had not been violated.

Martin gave $616,000 in illicit benefits to Webber, Robert Traylor, Maurice Taylor and Louis Bullock -- who all starred at Michigan.

Officials from Detroit Murray-Wright, where Traylor played high school basketball, voluntarily forfeited every game won during Traylor's senior season.

MightyToine
03-01-2004, 12:22 PM
If I was the school, I'd tell them all to go F#@% themselves.

InEligible or not, those 3 championships were EARNED, not Stolen/bought/whatever....

EricaLubarsky
03-01-2004, 10:34 PM
the question isnt whether he deserved the championship, MT. He did, but he decided to take the money and so decided that he would make himself inelligible to play sports in high school. I'm fine with him having it either way but he cant have it both ways.

Jamisonite
03-01-2004, 11:23 PM
It seems like they want CWebb crucified or something...

OutletPass
03-01-2004, 11:33 PM
InEligible or not, those 3 championships were EARNED, not Stolen/bought/whatever....

--- Another fine, intelligent post....that ignores facts, ethics, rules and common sense.

MightyToine
03-02-2004, 08:28 AM
Originally posted by: OutletPass

InEligible or not, those 3 championships were EARNED, not Stolen/bought/whatever....

--- Another fine, intelligent post....that ignores facts, ethics, rules and common sense.


Gee, OP. Have you checked the latest on this?


Looks like the School followed my advice. i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif



Bye.

Max Power
03-02-2004, 08:54 AM
Country Day stands firm

School finds no Webber violations
March 2, 2004
BY MICK MCCABE
FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER

The trophies are staying put.

Birmingham Detroit Country Day reaffirmed its position Monday that the school did nothing wrong when Chris Webber played basketball there, and the Yellowjackets aren't giving up the three state titles he helped them win.

Country Day won the championships in 1989-91.

The Michigan High School Athletic Association ruled Sunday that Webber was ineligible during his years at Country Day because he took money and gifts from former University of Michigan booster Ed Martin. The association's executive director, Jack Roberts, recommended that the school forfeit the championships and all games in Webber's final three seasons, but Country Day officials refused Monday to do that.

Headmaster Gerald Hansen and basketball coach Kurt Keener, who's also the athletic director, said the school will not voluntarily vacate the titles or forfeit any games.

"Country Day has repeatedly advised the executive director that it strongly disagrees," Hansen said as he read from a prepared statement. "The school contends that the assertion is based upon unproven innuendo, suspicion and speculation. Because Country Day has been given no credible evidence that Mr. Webber violated his amateur status while a student here, the school felt obligated to fight to retain the championships and to protect the school's interests as well as those of all our students who worked so hard to earn these championships."

Before he died last year, Martin told federal investigators that he gave thousands of dollars in money and gifts to Webber while Webber was in high school and at Michigan. He kept a record of the transactions, many of which he considered loans.

Webber, who was charged with lying to a grand jury about his dealings with Martin, pleaded guilty to criminal contempt and admitted he repaid Martin $38,200 in 1994.

Martin also gave money to other high school and U-M players. Detroit Murray-Wright voluntarily forfeited all games won during the senior season of Robert Traylor, one of four former Michigan players accused of taking $616,000 from Martin.

After Roberts made his recommendations that Country Day forfeit games and championships, the school appealed to the state high school association's executive committee. The committee upheld Roberts' decision to strike Webber's name from the record book, but said it was Country Day's decision whether to forfeit the titles.

Hansen said Country Day conducted its own investigation after Roberts contacted the school last fall. He said Keener interviewed Webber's parents and his attorney and also talked to several students who attended Country Day while Webber was a student there.

"When Chris Webber was a student here, there were zero signs of affluence," Hansen said. "He drove an old family car. I can't find one thing that indicated wealth."

Further, Hansen said Country Day retained the services of law firm Dickinson Wright to review the evidence provided by the MHSAA. One of the attorneys was former Detroit mayor Dennis Archer.

"A lot of bright people looked at this for us," Hansen said. "They came to the conclusion that there was no credible evidence he violated his amateur status."

Roberts, who came to a different conclusion, was unavailable for comment Monday.

"In addition to leaving the MHSAA team records in place, the MHSAA's executive committee has also directed the executive director that 'no further requirements or investigations by staff are authorized at this time,' " Hansen said. "In similar spirit, the school believes this matter to be now closed."

Max Power
03-02-2004, 08:58 AM
Detroit Murray-Wright voluntarily forfeited all games won during the senior season of Robert Traylor, one of four former Michigan players accused of taking $616,000 from Martin.

I have a lot of respect for Detroit Murray-Wright and none for Detroit Country Day. Webber was obviously ineligible "The committee upheld Roberts' decision to strike Webber's name from the record book" was the passage that clinched it for me.

Dooby
03-02-2004, 11:22 AM
This Just In:


DETROIT (AP) -- Chris Webber was ineligible when he played dodgeball in primary school because of grades and his relationship with an unnamed booster, the Detroit Free Press reported Tuesday.

"I don't know how it happened", said Principal (retired) Seymore Skinner . "[Webber] should have been inside the classroom during recess the week of the annual Woodrow Wilson Elementary School dodgeball tournament."

The Ms. Hoover's Class Ewoks will forefeit all games during the 1982-83 school year and give back the trophy. All members of Webber's 3rd grade class are being contacted about returning their blue ribbons.

As of press time, Ms. Hoover has not been available for comment. Ms. Hoover currently resides in the Shady Shores Rest Home and insists upon being refered to as "Queen Victoria."