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LonestarROB
01-20-2002, 10:55 AM
Anybody see the Pat's/Raiders game last night? Man that was awesome. I'd love to play football in snow like that.

Rhylan
01-20-2002, 12:49 PM
Dude, that was sweet. I watched the part before the Mavs game, then OT after the Mavs were over.

reeds
01-21-2002, 05:46 PM
Well, had the refs not blown that call(yes, they blew the call), I would have won 450 bucks, so that really pissed me off....but, thats betting football for ya

Big Boy Laroux
01-21-2002, 06:58 PM
reeds, they didn't blow the call. the rule is the rule. perhaps the rule is the problem, but the refs were following the rulebook.

LonestarROB
01-21-2002, 09:18 PM
I agree BBL. It was the right call.

Big Boy Laroux
01-22-2002, 10:30 AM
here's the rule... (got this from espn.com)


"The ruling of referee Walt Coleman: while Brady was trying to tuck the ball, his arm was moving forward, thus the play was ruled an incomplete pass. This was based on Rule 3, Section 21, Article 2, Note 2 of the NFL rule book: '...any intentional forward movement of [the passer's] arm starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body.'"

Hales233
01-22-2002, 05:20 PM
As a native of Massachusetts, that game rocked!!! And the ref made the right call by the rulebook.

TheKid
01-22-2002, 05:24 PM
Ok, I understand the rule book and all of that, but come on now, if you all saw that play, please don't tell me he was pulling that pass back down. Because if he was trying to pass that ball he would have been trying to complete the pass at his feet. The original call was a fumble, they should have left it at that in my opinion.

Flying Tiger
01-22-2002, 06:22 PM
Exactly...it wasn't very conclusive and they should have left it at that. Because if that is a fumble then that game is over.

Hales233
01-22-2002, 09:21 PM
guys, easy here...show a little love for my patriots!!! i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif

you can't like the raiders that much

Big Boy Laroux
01-23-2002, 09:03 AM
even if it would have been incomplete to his feet, his arm was still moving forward. thus the call.

TheKid
01-23-2002, 12:39 PM
What I'm saying Big Boy is he was originally going to pass it then he decided not to and was pulling the ball back down. Then he was hit, therefore that makes it a fumble in my eyes. I liked what Andy Reid said, he said, "if you look at the tape, the player gives you an indication if it's a fumble. Look at his actions, he tried to tackle the guy who picked it up so it's simple it was a fumble."

Now I'll give the Patriots credit after that call because after that, they earned that win. That kick by Vinetari was simply amazing, however it should have never gotten to that point.

Big Boy Laroux
01-23-2002, 12:52 PM
oh, i've seen the play. many times. and i do think it LOOKED like a fumble.

if that rule were not in the rulebook, it would have stayed a fumble. he was definitely not trying to pass it.

but my point is that the refs were correct in their ruling. even though i will be the first to admit that i think it's a stupid rule. and i bet the entire raiders team shares that opinion.

and as far as the actions of the player, i bet you that brady did not even know that the rule that saved the patriots season was even a rule. he probably thought he fumbled.

TheKid
01-23-2002, 02:45 PM
Well then I agree as far as the rule goes, you're right then.. It did coincide with the rule, but I think that rule needs some MAJOR overhauling.