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05-15-2004, 09:19 PM
Report: Rumsfeld OK'd Prisoner Program
NEW YORK - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the expansion of a secret program that encouraged physical coercion and sexual humiliation of Iraqi prisoners to obtain intelligence about the growing insurgency in Iraq (news - web sites), The New Yorker reported Saturday.

Rumsfeld made the decision last year when he broadened a Pentagon (news - web sites) operation from the hunt for al-Qaida in Afghanistan (news - web sites) to interrogation of prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad, according to the report, which cited unnamed current and former intelligence officials and was published on the magazine's Web site.

Seven soldiers are facing military charges related to the abuse and humiliation of prisoners captured by the now-infamous photographs at the prison. Some of the soldiers and their lawyers have said military intelligence officials told military police assigned as guards to abuse the prisoners to make interrogations easier.

According to the story, which hits newsstands Monday, the initial operation Rumsfeld authorized gave blanket approval to kill or capture and interrogate "high value" targets in the war on terrorism. The program stemmed from frustrating efforts to capture high-level terrorists in the weeks after the start of U.S. bombings in Afghanistan.

The program got approval from President Bush (news - web sites)'s national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice (news - web sites), and Bush was informed of its existence, the officials told New Yorker reporter Seymour Hersh.

Under the program, Hersh wrote, commandos carried out instant interrogations using force if necessary at secret CIA (news - web sites) detention centers scattered around the world. The intelligence would be relayed to the commanders at the Pentagon.

Last year, Rumsfeld and Stephen Cambone, his undersecretary for intelligence, expanded the scope of the Pentagon's program and brought its methods to Abu Ghraib, Hersh wrote.

Critics say the interrogation rules, first laid out in September after a visit to Iraq by the then-commander of the prison for terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, amounted to a green light for abuse.

Defense Department officials deny that, saying prisoners always are treated under guidelines of the Geneva Conventions. Pentagon spokesman Jim Turner referred to that assertion, made at a news briefing Friday, when asked to comment on the New Yorker article.

The intelligence sources told the magazine photos of the sexual abuse were used to intimidate prisoners and detainees into providing information on the insurgency. It was thought that some prisoners would do anything including spying on their associates to avoid dissemination of the shameful photos to family and friends.

One intelligence official said the CIA ended its involvement with the program at Abu Ghraib prison by last fall.

"They said, 'No way. We signed up for the core program in Afghanistan pre-approved for operations against the high-value terrorist targets and now you want to use it for cabdrivers, brothers-in-law, and people pulled off the streets,'" the source said.

05-16-2004, 10:26 AM
I don't know, I certainly hope so. The MSM and the democrats may be able to throw up enough FUD that he decides that he's more of a negative to the president than a positive, he might step down.

Of course me opinion is that it would be a bad day for our country if he stepped down, he's been a quite remarkable SecDef. Looking at what happened in Afghanistan in what 6 weeks and the extraordinary 3 week campaign in Iraq. With no scuds fired, no burning oil wells, even being prepared for WMDs if that were the case, was extraordinary.

Then reading what Rumsfeld wanted to do in the invasion of iraq also shows a man who's mind is extremely unique and a willingness to challenge the status quo. Refreshing in a government beauracrat.

From Barbara Lerner in National Review Online on Rumsfeld strategy post Iraq War- Rumsfeld's plan was to train and equip and then transport to Iraq some 10,000 Shia and Sunni freedom fighters led by Shia exile leader Ahmed Chalabi and his cohorts in the INC, the multi-ethnic anti-Saddam coalition he created. There, they would have joined with thousands of experienced Kurdish freedom fighters, ably led, politically and militarily, by Jalal Talabani and Massoud Barzani. Working with our special forces, this trio would have sprung into action at the start of the war, striking from the north, helping to drive Baathist thugs from power, and joining Coalition forces in the liberation of Baghdad. That would have put a proud, victorious, multi-ethnic Iraqi face on the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, and it would have given enormous prestige to three stubbornly independent and unashamedly pro-American Iraqi freedom fighters: Chalabi, Talabani, and Barzani.

Rummies Plan (http://www.donelsonresearchpublishing.com/pages/2/index.htm)
editied to put the actual article words in place of my own.