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Evilmav2
10-17-2004, 10:30 PM
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Sonics' Allen: Kobe is 'going to be very selfish'

Seattle guard says Laker wants
to prove he can win title without Shaq

The Seattle Post Intelligencer
Updated: 9:18 p.m. ET Oct. 15, 2004

PORTLAND - Ray Allen was suited up for the Sonics' preseason game against the Trail Blazers last night. He just wasn't in uniform, instead watching in a sports jacket as he sat out the game.

Allen suffered from a migraine headache and gastrointestinal disorder.

Because of the illness, Allen wasn't around to answer questions after the Sonics beat the Lakers 87-80 on Tuesday, but he was asked for a day-after assessment of Kobe Bryant's performance in his first game after Shaquille O'Neal was traded and coach Phil Jackson retired.

"He's going to be very selfish," Allen said of Bryant, who scored 15 of his team's first 20 points and had 35 points in Tuesday's loss. "And he feels like he needs to show this league and the people in this country that he is better without Shaq. He can win championships without Shaq. So offensively, he's going to jump out and say, 'I can average 30 points. I can still carry the load on this team.'

"I think the point production is not going to be so much what people are going to look at because (Tracy) McGrady did it in Orlando, Allen (Iverson) did it in Philly. Can you win a championship? I think that's the question. Carrying guys on your back and making everybody better."

Can Bryant do that?

"He has the talent, he can do it," Allen said. "But is his attitude going to allow him to take a back seat and let Lamar Odom shine and let Caron Butler have his nights and bring those big guys along with him?"

Allen said Bryant's ability and willingness to incorporate others will be the gauge for the Lakers' success. Bryant was re-signed for seven years at more than $130 million this summer.

"If Kobe doesn't see he needs two and a half good players to be a legitimate playoff contender or win a championship in about a year or two he'll be calling out to Jerry Buss that 'We need some help in here,' or 'Trade me,' " Allen said. "And we'll all be saying, 'I told you so,' when he says that."

Butler, who like Allen attended UConn, is in his third year in the league.

"His successes now is going to be based on if Kobe allows him to eat," Allen said of Butler. "If Kobe allows him to sit at the dinner table with him."

Allen was asked about the personal part of his game against Bryant. At different times, Bryant bumped into Allen and talked trash. After blocking a fast-break layin attempt by Allen, Bryant stared down at Allen, who had fallen to the floor, allowing Luke Ridnour to grab the loose ball and pass to Rashard Lewis for a dunk.

"I think he talks because he feels like he has to talk," Allen said. "He's out there playing, and if he does something good I feel like he needs to pat himself on the back because to me, it seems like he's isolated out there. As much as it's five-on-five, I don't see much camaraderie going on out there with his teammates."

Allen and Bryant were drafted the same year, 1996. Allen said that's one reason he thinks Bryant tries to turn any head-to-head meeting into a one-on-one battle. Bryant scored 15 of his team's 20 points in the first quarter and finished with 35. Allen scored 18 of his team-high 25 points in the second half.

"He thinks -- in his mind -- that he's going to shoot and try to show me up at any point in time on the floor," Allen said. "But his mentality and mine are different. I've got to do what it takes to help the team win."

One exchange captured what Allen was talking about. In the third quarter, Bryant made a 3-pointer over Allen and on Seattle's ensuing possession Allen made a 3-pointer over Bryant. Bryant answered with a 3-pointer, bumped into Allen at halfcourt and started talking.

"It was typical of the way he approaches the game and the way I approach it," Allen said. "I know it was set up for me to take that shot, no matter what situation I was in because that's what he did. And I wasn't going to fall into that trap because we were winning and he put himself in the situation where he has to come from behind."

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EricaLubarsky
10-17-2004, 11:53 PM
he'll fail, but as far as the roster is concerned, he needs to take over like Dirk does. He really is the team.

alby
10-18-2004, 12:13 AM
and thats why kobe will be a fantasy beast =]

FilthyFinMavs
10-18-2004, 05:10 PM
I disagree with Ray. I think at the beginning of the season he's going to try and show everyone that he can score and dish. And then when the Lakers are 0-10 that's when he's going to start trying to be MJ-Like.

Phil Helmuth
10-18-2004, 06:50 PM
Kobe sucks.

EricaLubarsky
10-22-2004, 01:45 AM
Kobe is going to have a long season when he has to score 35 points a game. It's going to be longer when he puts up 35, 4 and 7 and he loses.

jayC
10-22-2004, 12:12 PM
People need to layoff this guy. Don't get me wrong I hate kobe, but it is really giving me tired head. The guy is a great basketball player and if given the choice between Shaq and Kobe I would have taken Kobe.

I am not sure who I would take Dirk or Kobe? Dirk is the better pure shooter, Kobe is the better all-around player.

Phil Helmuth
10-25-2004, 12:12 AM
Let me reiterate, Kobe sucks.

Chiwas
10-27-2004, 05:39 PM
I am not sure who I would take Dirk or Kobe? Dirk is the better pure shooter, Kobe is the better all-around player. I'd choose Dirk, just for the chemical thing.

LRB
10-27-2004, 07:03 PM
Kobe is an incredibly talented basketball player. Unfortunately his ego far outstrips his talent. Kobe is also an incredibly immature and selfish player with very limited people skills when it comes to dealing with other players and coaches. Kobe's own worst enemy is Kobe. Incredible talent without the abilty to properly focus and direct it to the best interests of your team, will always make a difficult row to hoe.

Phil Helmuth
10-27-2004, 10:06 PM
Uh Kobe also had that adultry/rape charge. I'll take Dirk over that assclown Kobe 100 times out of 100.

Drbio
10-28-2004, 09:54 AM
People do NOT need to lay off showbe the drama puss. Take an aspirin for your tired head. showbe is a rapist and should be thankfuly that he is even free, much less still an NBA player. I wish the league should suspend his butt. I'm sick of showbe and his patently me-first ruination of this game. He can suck it. I wish Shaq would have gone kobe on showbe before he had left LA and ensured that showbe had a little ass swagger to him all year. Would have served him right.

seal614
10-28-2004, 12:24 PM
Starting in 2001 I hated the LAKERS more than anything...

but now I realized... I just hate Kobe (thanks to fisher's departure and rick's retirement)

Just hate Kobe.... I've actually grown to like Shaq and his game (even if it is one big offensive foul)

- Brian

FilthyFinMavs
10-29-2004, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by: jayC
People need to layoff this guy. Don't get me wrong I hate kobe, but it is really giving me tired head. The guy is a great basketball player and if given the choice between Shaq and Kobe I would have taken Kobe.

I am not sure who I would take Dirk or Kobe? Dirk is the better pure shooter, Kobe is the better all-around player.

MJ took this same abuse in the late 80's. No one laid off him and look at what he became. Kobe single handedly destroyed the Lakers franchise. In one year they went from having one of the most dominating players to ever play the game, one of the best coaches to ever coach and two great hall of famers to having Lamar Odom and Kobe Bryant. I'm not a Laker fan but if I were one i'd be all over this guy right now.