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DubOverdose
11-07-2004, 10:49 PM
The Sonics played the Spurs tonight and won. Check out Danny Fortson's line...
21min 15pts (8FGA 9-10at the FT) 13rebounds (7 OFFENSIVE boards) 1tech

Mini Shaq at it again.....

turbo.mav
11-08-2004, 12:18 AM
I watched this game and Danny was a BEAST out there. He did his role but was screwed on some calls as usual. He looks like hes slimmed down a bit too.

Max Power
11-08-2004, 02:35 AM
Average players can have great stat lines when they play for REALLY crappy teams. Fortson wouldn't ever hit the court for any team that has title asperations.

dirno2000
11-08-2004, 02:45 AM
His stat line isn't out of wack. You can put Fortson on any team in the league and he'll rebound at an incredibly high rate.

Max Power
11-08-2004, 08:40 AM
Originally posted by: dirno2000
His stat line isn't out of wack. You can put Fortson on any team in the league and he'll rebound at an incredibly high rate.

No he won't because good teams won't play him because of his other deficiencies. He can't defend, can't or won't learn difficult offensive systems, and is a lockerroom cancer. Career spare.

Nash13
11-08-2004, 09:24 AM
Dirno, i'd have to agree with Max. Fortson wasn't that good in Boston. And he only averaged good rebounding numbers on a garbage Warriors team before Murphy got there. Wasn't all that for Dallas.

He'll only put up big numbers if he averaged 20-25mpg. And on the elite teams with Dirk, Duncan, Garnett, Webber/Miller, Howard/Taylor, Martin/Nene, that would be unlikely to happen

4cwebb
11-08-2004, 09:39 AM
Originally posted by: Nash13
Dirno, i'd have to agree with Max. Fortson wasn't that good in Boston. And he only averaged good rebounding numbers on a garbage Warriors team before Murphy got there. Wasn't all that for Dallas.

He'll only put up big numbers if he averaged 20-25mpg. And on the elite teams with Dirk, Duncan, Garnett, Webber/Miller, Howard/Taylor, Martin/Nene, that would be unlikely to happen

I'm inclined to agree with this last statement, but not every team has a PF the likes of those listed, so there's no reason Fortson shouldn't be able to earn some minutes with another team in the NBA and prove that he can rebound and succeed at this level. Playing on the Mavs at C was no place for Fortson, and since Dirk's best position in PF, Fortson is being put in position to fail from the word go.

Of course, he's a bit of a headcase as well, so that doesn't help matters. But on a team like the Sonics that has scoring with Lewis and Ray Allen, he doesn't need to do anything else other than rebound on both ends of the floor, which is a good fit for him. Don't know how much he had to do with Duncan's miserable night, but even if he had a little to do with it, he deserves some credit.

bingocasino
11-08-2004, 09:40 AM
so where did this supreme center named dampier come from again,i guess that's a different story.

EricaLubarsky
11-08-2004, 11:28 AM
Everyone knows what he is capable of (this game is no surprise) and there are reasons that teams havent played him.

FilthyFinMavs
11-08-2004, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by: bingocasino
so where did this supreme center named dampier come from again,i guess that's a different story.

Yea that's what i'm thinking. If Fortson sucks because of the teams he has come from than what does that say about Damp?

Dirkenstien
11-10-2004, 11:30 PM
Fortson is playing on national tele right now and tearing Ostertag a new one.

He looks thinner and is rebounding like a monster. I hate to say it but it with Benga now capable of playing trash minutes at center behind Dampier and Bradley, I'm beginning to wonder if the trade for Booth was a good idea.

Either way we're not in a bad situation...just retrospective speculation

Evilmav2
11-10-2004, 11:54 PM
When Fortson doesn't play he can become a locker room problem, so I still think the Booth-Fort trade was good for all involved parties (except perhaps for poor Cal, cooling his heels on the bench). I always like Fortson though, so it is nice to see him get enough minutes to show the world just what a superior rebounder he is...

sike
11-11-2004, 02:33 AM
Tonight the Baked One went for 16 and 13 in 21 minutes!!!!
nice.

dalmations202
11-11-2004, 09:40 AM
Last night the Baked One brutalized Tag................ouch........

sike
11-11-2004, 10:11 AM
Last night the Baked One brutalized Tag
so old ladies do have something in common with Fortson

MavKikiNYC
11-11-2004, 11:01 AM
Originally posted by: Dirkenstien
Fortson is playing on national tele right now and tearing Ostertag a new one.

He looks thinner and is rebounding like a monster. I hate to say it but it with Benga now capable of playing trash minutes at center behind Dampier and Bradley, I'm beginning to wonder if the trade for Booth was a good idea.

Either way we're not in a bad situation...just retrospective speculation

I still like the Booth acquisition (and the Fortson subtraction) because Booth offers (theoretically) depth at an aspect of the game at which the Mavericks have been thin over the past several years--defending the rim. Fortson was never going to offer this, and at the time of his trade (I believe) rebounding depth was not exactly a problem with Dirk and the Antwins.

Even with the subsequent acquisition of Dampier and the surprising development of Mbenga, Booth could still offer something. From the admittedly very little I've seen of Mbenga so far this year, I think this year will still be a project-year for him. But he's worth investing some minutes in.

And even though in the admittedly very little I've seen of Booth this year, he's looked weaker and slower, I think he could offer the Mavericks 5-10 minutes per game at both the 4 and the 5 spots in relief of Dirk and alongside Mantis in relief of Dampier The Mavericks should be able to keep an active, aggressive rebounding and/or shot-blocking threat on the floor at all times, without having to worry about foul trouble.

Nelson's rotation is working out okay so far, so it's hard to be too critical of him, but I really hate to see a resource like Booth wasted.

EricaLubarsky
11-11-2004, 12:27 PM
The biggest mistake of this organization was trying to make Booth into the backup PF. He failed at that and got placed behind Damp, Bradley and M'Benga on the depth chart of Centers. Booth isnt great, but he's just as competent a backup as Henderson IF he's playing at center.

This off-season, with the exception of Stackhouse, we traded for lockerroom chemistry and defense. Fortson is one of the worst defensive players in the league and a cancer in the lockerroom. That may be mitigated by playing time as he's getting in Seattle, but Fortson would be in the same position that Booth is in, and that spells havoc for this team, especially with a core weakened by injuries.

rakesh.s
11-11-2004, 12:37 PM
i've said it before..fortson is a good player who should've gotten mins on the mavericks last year..he just gets a bad rap because of nellie's dumbass "doghouse" crap..

he has single handedly gotten rid of the finesse tag that seattle had

he is putting up a double double in about 20 mins...that is pretty freakin impressive

sike
11-11-2004, 12:56 PM
[/quote]he has single handedly gotten rid of the finesse tag that seattle had[/quote]
Evans might have something to say about that as well

sike
11-11-2004, 12:59 PM
dreaded and feared

dude1394
11-12-2004, 02:53 PM
Hope danny does well, good luck to him. He IS a rebounding machine but he certainly didn't fit on the mavs.

The Crippler
11-14-2004, 08:50 AM
Friday nite...0 pts on 0-1 shooting, 2 turnovers, 5 fouls in 10 minutes. there's the real Fortson.

mary
11-14-2004, 05:48 PM
Actually, here is the real Fortson


Seattle's Fortson suspended, Clippers' Brand fined


November 14, 2004
NEW YORK (AP) -- Seattle forward Danny Fortson was suspended for one game without pay after a foul in Friday's game against Toronto was upgraded to a flagrant.

Fortson threw an elbow to the head of Raptors forward Chris Bosh in the game at Seattle. Fortson was to miss Sunday night's game against Memphis because of the suspension.

The NBA also said Sunday that Clippers forward Elton Brand was fined $7,500 after his foul against New York Knicks forward Tim Thomas on Friday was upgraded to a flagrant.

bingocasino
11-27-2004, 02:11 AM
Min FG 3Pt FT Off Reb Ast TO Stl Blk PF Pts
22 6-7 0-0 8-9 4 8 0 1 0 0 5 20

forts line against jersey, not too shabby

Evilmav2
11-27-2004, 06:47 AM
Fortson's like money in the bank for my Dallas-Mavs.com, league 1 fantasy team...

aexchange
11-28-2004, 05:05 PM
its jersey, for pete's sake.

donald hodge could come out of retirement and grab 10 boards against that craptacular team.

Arne
11-28-2004, 07:19 PM
Ahh, com'on... Nearly anyone in here hates Forston, but you can't deny, that he'S an awesome rebounder! The best in the NBA, if you look at the per 48 minutes-stats.

Evilmav2
11-29-2004, 05:02 AM
I found this kind of interesting:

Top 10 Scoring Power Forwards per 48 Minutes

1. Amare Stoudemire - 34.2
2. Dirk Nowitzki - 33.6
3. Tim Duncan - 31.7
4. Kevin Garnett - 28.6
5. Antawn Jamison - 28.6
6. Zach Randolph - 26.7
7. Carlos Boozer - 26.2
8. Danny Fortson - 26.0
8. Chris Webber - 26.0
9. Rashard Lewis - 25.6
10. Antoine Walker - 24.6

So, not only is Danny Fortson the NBA's #1 rebounder per 48 minutes this season (at 19.2 rebounds per 48), but he's also the 8th ranked scorer ranked amongst power forwards per 48 (at 26.0 ppg, ranking #23 amongst all NBA players). Now I know the man wasn't a good fit here in Dallas, but I see these per 48 minutes as being pretty darned impressive, and I would say that they clearly attest to the fact that Mr. Fortson just might be a bit more of an NBA impact player than some of his detractors have given him credit for...

#41
11-29-2004, 05:04 AM
The head-to-head comparison with Damp doesn't look too much in favor of the Mavs trading politics, but it's "just" stats of course...

Arne
11-29-2004, 09:00 AM
Dampier isn't a pure rebounder, he's a defensive presence as well and we all know how much an impact he has this season, although his stats suck.

Fortsons Team is succesful and now look at some other per 48 minutes-stats:

2004-05 Regular Season Free Throws Made Per 48 Minutes
Player G FT FTP48
1. Danny Fortson (Seattle SuperSonics) 13 65 14.05
2. Dwyane Wade (Miami Heat) 13 116 11.03
3. Kobe Bryant (Los Angeles Lakers) 14 137 11.00
4. Dirk Nowitzki (Dallas Mavericks) 14 115 10.68
5. Paul Pierce (Boston Celtics) 12 98 10.27
6. Amare Stoudemire (Phoenix Suns) 13 92 9.30
7. Allen Iverson (Philadelphia 76ers) 12 98 9.26
8. Tim Duncan (San Antonio Spurs) 14 92 8.85
9. Steve Francis (Orlando Magic) 12 80 8.31
10. Corey Maggette (Los Angeles Clippers) 13 77 8.07

2004-05 Regular Season Free-Throw Attempts Per 48 Minutes
Player G FTA FTAP48
1. Shaquille O'Neal (Miami Heat) 15 177 16.34
2. Danny Fortson (Seattle SuperSonics) 13 74 16.00
3. Dwyane Wade (Miami Heat) 13 148 14.07
4. Tim Duncan (San Antonio Spurs) 14 144 13.85
5. Kobe Bryant (Los Angeles Lakers) 14 167 13.40
6. Amare Stoudemire (Phoenix Suns) 13 132 13.34
7. Dirk Nowitzki (Dallas Mavericks) 14 137 12.72
8. Paul Pierce (Boston Celtics) 12 116 12.16
9. Allen Iverson (Philadelphia 76ers) 12 121 11.43
10. Kevin Garnett (Minnesota Timberwolves) 13 107 10.13

2004-05 Regular Season Offensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes
Player G OFF ORP48
1. Danny Fortson (Seattle SuperSonics) 13 44 9.5
2. Alan Henderson (Dallas Mavericks) 15 36 7.5
3. Nazr Mohammed (New York Knicks) 12 49 7.3
4. Loren Woods (Toronto Raptors) 15 41 6.2
5. Curtis Borchardt (Utah Jazz) 12 15 6.1
6. Dwight Howard (Orlando Magic) 12 45 5.9
6. Dale Davis (Golden State Warriors) 13 25 5.9
8. Eduardo Najera (Golden State Warriors) 13 20 5.8
8. Dikembe Mutombo (Houston Rockets) 14 23 5.8
10. Tim Duncan (San Antonio Spurs) 14 58 5.6

And the most important:

2004-05 Regular Season Efficiency Rating Per 48 Minutes

Efficiency Formula: ((PTS + REB + AST + STL + BLK) - ((FGA - FGM) + (FTA - FTM) + TO)) / G
Player G EFF48
1. Kevin Garnett (Minnesota Timberwolves) 13 42.32
2. Tim Duncan (San Antonio Spurs) 14 37.42
3. Dirk Nowitzki (Dallas Mavericks) 14 37.23
4. LeBron James (Cleveland Cavaliers) 13 35.10
5. Danny Fortson (Seattle SuperSonics) 13 35.03
6. Amare Stoudemire (Phoenix Suns) 13 34.36
7. Dwyane Wade (Miami Heat) 13 34.12
8. Shawn Marion (Phoenix Suns) 13 32.91
9. Manu Ginobili (San Antonio Spurs) 14 31.92
10. Steve Nash (Phoenix Suns) 13 31.50

He's just awesome coming off the bench this season and if we wouldn't have that many options and no Dirk Nowitzki, we could really use him. But he's really no good fit for us.

EricaLubarsky
12-02-2004, 05:01 PM
I'll admit that Fortson is an incredible rebounder. I'll even say that sometimes his offense is efficient. I will not say that he's a defensive force. The numbers just don't support that.

The team scores more efficiently with him off the court (-0.5% overall, -5% on assisted FGs), and the defense (both assisted and effective) is worse with him on the court (-4%, -1.6%), The team gets blocked significantly more when he is on the court (+2%) and they also are worse at shotblocking (2%).

The opponents shoot 3 more FTs per 48 when he is on the court, and the Sonics foul 6 more times (per 48)

There is also a net discrepancy in Turnovers per 48 of 4TOs.

all data from 82games.com

He can do a very few things very well. But if he was that efficient, then he would be averaging a double-double and he'd be playing more than 18mpg. He is a great role player, but he ain't even close to KG, Dirk or Duncan.

GP
12-03-2004, 12:50 AM
You know, you just don't hear Seattle's coach complaining about Fortson not being in the right "spots" on offense. I think that Nellie just tried to fit a square peg into a round hole as usual. Fortson is a good NBA player. Always has been and always will be. He's just what he is. An undersized power forward who can really rebound well. He's been a boon to Seattle because they aren't asking him to be something that he isn't. They understand what he is and utilize him accordingly. Nellie just needs to figure out that 6'7" guys can't play center in the NBA no matter what.

EricaLubarsky
12-03-2004, 12:53 AM
Nellie should have learned last year because Damp is the same type of player offensively. Both Fortson and Dampier are really only effective when they are in the low, low-post and get good entry passes.

I don't know if Nellie knows a thing about low-post players anymore and how to integrate the post with the rest of the offense. That is a concern.

EricaLubarsky
12-18-2004, 12:50 AM
Fortson's having a heck of a night. 5 fouls in 12 minutes.

Pirate
12-18-2004, 03:08 AM
He usually fouls out in less than that, doesnt he? Last I saw, his per-48 minute stat on fouls was something like 14 per game or so. Wow.

Max Power
12-19-2004, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by: GP
You know, you just don't hear Seattle's coach complaining about Fortson not being in the right "spots" on offense. I think that Nellie just tried to fit a square peg into a round hole as usual. Fortson is a good NBA player. Always has been and always will be. He's just what he is. An undersized power forward who can really rebound well. He's been a boon to Seattle because they aren't asking him to be something that he isn't. They understand what he is and utilize him accordingly. Nellie just needs to figure out that 6'7" guys can't play center in the NBA no matter what.

How was Nellie wrong about Fortson? We had THREE power forwards who were better than Fortson last year (Dirk, Jamison, and Walker) and a fourth who deserved some playing time (Najera). The only minutes available were at center. Nellie wasn't trying to "fit a square peg into a round hole", he was trying to get a guy some minutes and there was only ONE spot available (center).

I'll blame Nellie for a lot but not that.

dirno2000
12-19-2004, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by: Max Power

Originally posted by: dirno2000
His stat line isn't out of wack. You can put Fortson on any team in the league and he'll rebound at an incredibly high rate.

No he won't because good teams won't play him because of his other deficiencies. He can't defend, can't or won't learn difficult offensive systems, and is a lockerroom cancer. Career spare....a month later, Fortson continues to prove his detractors wrong