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#1MavsFan
01-30-2005, 11:27 PM
If you really believe the election went smoothly by watching fox news, your way off.

Confusion surrounds Iraq poll turnout
...Iraqis in the Sunni Muslim city of Samarra stayed home on Sunday, too frightened or angry to vote in the election.

"Nobody came. People were too afraid," Madafar Zeki, in charge of a polling centre in Samarra, said.

According to preliminary figures provided by a joint US and Iraqi taskforce that safeguarded the vote, fewer than 1400 people cast ballots in the city of 200,000.

The figure includes votes from soldiers and police, most of whom were recruited from the Shia south...

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/B49A6A7B-9FE7-4C65-BA06-11461071FEAA.htm


Iraqis show mixed response to polls
In war-ravaged Falluja, nearly all residents stayed at home despite the presence of five polling stations. Only one man was reported to have voted.

Meanwhile, the head of the local council in Samarra said no citizens would vote because of the poor security situation.

"Nobody will vote in Samarra because of the security situation," said Taha Husain, the head of Samarra's local governing council.

No employees turned up at polling centres in Samarra and police were not to be seen on the streets, an agency correspondent reported.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/674D4BC3-BDA3-41AF-9D40-B80D79F812F9.htm


AMS critical of Iraq elections
"The voter goes to the polling stations not knowing who he is voting for in the first place. There are more than 7700 candidates, and I challenge any Iraqi voter to name more than half a dozen."

He also criticised the huge number of groups on voting lists in which it was virtually impossible to know who was standing for election and what the candidate's background was.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/F1149ACC-43EE-4BA6-AD8A-AC9D62290514.htm


Summary of attacks on election day
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/15F23DED-17B3-4F3F-A1DA-A1E502E1DB74.htm

Iraqi women find the election as a cruel joke:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/209809_iraqiwomanvote.html?searchpagefrom=1&searchdiff=2

another thing. Seems like security in Sunni Muslim area's was much better than in the other areas.... Same thing like in ohio election in the areas with maybe 200 registered voters theres 10 voting machines while in the largely populated areas theres only 1 machine for thousands of people... Fair elections hah.

u2sarajevo
01-30-2005, 11:36 PM
Pessimism... it's the liberal way. If it's bad news, we can blame it on Bush.

It's funny though, I doubt al Jazeera would have any reason to slant stories in a particular way to make a World Super-Power look bad.

u2sarajevo
01-30-2005, 11:37 PM
Maybe your bitter that no voters got killed...????

edit: I just read that 44 did die. Died doing their civic duty for their Country's future. I can't believe you didn't blame that on Bush.... maybe that's vinnie's job?

u2sarajevo
01-30-2005, 11:48 PM
Warning to #1MavsFan, reeds, vinnie.... I wouldn't bother reading this because it is good news about the election...

If you want to hear good news about today's elections, carry on...
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Iraqis Defy Threats to Vote for Assembly (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050131/D87UQ7200.html)
By SALLY BUZBEE

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Iraqis embraced democracy in large numbers Sunday, standing in long lines to vote in defiance of mortar attacks, suicide bombers and boycott calls. Pushed in wheelchairs or carts if they couldn't walk, the elderly, the young and women in veils cast ballots in Iraq's first free election in a half-century.

Iraqi election officials said it might take 10 days to determine the vote's winner and said they had no firm estimate of turnout among the 14 million eligible voters. The ticket endorsed by the Shiite Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani was the pre-voting favorite. Interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi's slate was also considered strong.

"We broke a barrier of fear," said Mijm Towirish, an election official.

Uncertain Sunni turnout, a string of insurgent attacks that killed 44 and the crash of a British military plane drove home that chaos in Iraq isn't over yet.

Yet the mere fact the vote went off seemed to ricochet instantly around a world hoping for Arab democracy and fearing Islamic extremism.

"I am doing this because I love my country, and I love the sons of my nation," said Shamal Hekeib, 53, who walked with his wife 20 minutes to a polling station near his Baghdad home.

"We are Arabs, we are not scared and we are not cowards," Hekeib said.

With helicopters flying low and gunfire close by, at least 200 voters stood calmly in line at midday outside one polling station in the heart of Baghdad. Inside, the tight security included at least four body searches, and a ban on lighters, cell phone batteries, cigarette packs and even pens.

The feeling was sometimes festive. One election volunteer escorted a blind man back to his home after he cast his vote. A woman too frail to walk by herself arrived on a cart pushed by a young relative. Entire families showed up in their finest clothes.

But for the country's minority Sunni Arabs, who held a privileged position under Saddam Hussein, the day was not as welcome.

No more than 400 people voted in Saddam's hometown of Tikrit, and in the heavily Sunni northern Baghdad neighborhood of Azamiyah, where Saddam made his last known public appearance in early April 2003, the four polling places never even opened.

"The world is hearing the voice of freedom from the center of the Middle East," said President Bush, who called the election a success. He promised the United States would continue training Iraqi soldiers, hoping they can soon secure a country America invaded nearly two years ago to topple Saddam.

Iraqis, the U.S. president said, had "firmly rejected the anti-democratic ideology" of terrorists.

The vote to elect a 275-National Assembly and 18 provincial legislatures was only the first step on Iraq's road to self-rule and stability. Once results are in, it could take weeks of backroom deals before a prime minister and government are picked by the new assembly.

If that government proves successful by drawing in the minority Sunni Arabs who partly shunned the election, the country could stabilize, hastening the day when 150,000 U.S. troops can go home.

Iraqi interior minister, Falah al-Naqib, told Britain's Channel 4 News he expected there would be no need for U.S. troops any longer than 18 months because that's when he anticipates Iraq's security forces will be trained well enough to handle the job themselves.

But in comments to CBS'"Face The Nation," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice would not say whether U.S. forces would leave the country in great numbers now that the vote is complete, and Bush did not mention any U.S. military withdrawals in his statement.

On Sunday, coalition soldiers raced through Baghdad's streets in Humvees and tried to coax people to vote with loudspeakers in Ramadi, a Sunni city where anti-U.S. attacks are frequent. Iraqi police served as guards at most polling stations and U.S. troops had strict orders to stay away unless Iraqi security forces called for help.

At the Louisiana National Guard headquarters near Baghdad, nervous U.S. officers paced the halls, muttering, "So far, so good," after the first 30 minutes of polling passed without attacks.

But the violence soon broke out.

While a driving ban seemed to discourage car bombs, the insurgents improvised, strapping on belts of explosives to launch their suicide missions.

At least 44 died in the suicide and mortar attacks on polling stations, including nine suicide bombers. The al-Qaida affiliate led by Jordanian terror mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi claimed responsibility for at least four attacks.

Most attacks were in Baghdad, but one of the deadliest came in Hillah to the south, when a bomber got onto a minibus carrying voters and detonated his explosives, killing himself and at least four others.

In another reminder of the dangers that persist in Iraq, a British C-130 Hercules transport plane crashed north of Baghdad. The wreckage was strewn over a large area. No cause was given, but Britain's Press Association, quoting military sources, said about 10 British troops were believed to have died. Elsewhere, one U.S. serviceman died in fighting in the Sunni stronghold of Anbar province west of Baghdad.

Despite the string of attacks and mortars that boomed first in the morning and then after dark, a people steeled to violence by years of war, sanctions, the brutality of Saddam's regime and U.S. military occupation were not deterred from the polls.

In the so-called "triangle of death" south of Baghdad, a whiskery, stooped Abed Hunni walked an hour with his wife to reach a polling site in Musayyib. "God is generous to give us this day," he said.

And in heavily Shiite areas in the far south and mostly Kurdish regions in the north, some saw the vote as settling a score with the former dictator, Saddam.

"Now I feel that Saddam is really gone," said Fatima Ibrahim, smiling as she headed home after voting in Irbil. She was 14 and a bride of just three months when her husband, father and brother were rounded up in a campaign of ethnic cleansing under Saddam. None have ever been found.

Many cities in the Sunni triangle north and west of the capital, particularly Fallujah, Ramadi and Beiji, were virtually empty of voters also.

A low Sunni turnout, if that turns out to be the case, could undermine the new government that will emerge from the vote and worsen tensions among the country's ethnic, religious and cultural groups.

Adnan Pachachi, a Sunni elder statesman and candidate for the National Assembly, said he believes the best hope for harmony lies in giving Sunnis a significant role in drafting the country's new constitution.

"The main thing, I think, is we should really have a constitution written by representatives of all segments of Iraq's population," Pachachi said. "I think it would improve the security situation."

Across the largely authoritarian-ruled Arab world, where dislike and distrust of U.S. power and American intentions dominates the public debate, some dismissed the poll as a U.S.-orchestrated sham. Others hoped it might prove a catalyst for a region-wide democratic push.

Iraq's elections are a "good omen for getting rid of dictatorship," said Yemeni political science student Fathi al-Uraiqi.

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak - sure to win his own country's much-less-democratic vote later this year - telephoned Allawi to congratulate him on the smooth election, saying he hoped it would "open the way for the restoration of calm and stability" in Iraq.

dude1394
01-31-2005, 01:30 AM
Originally posted by: u2sarajevo
Warning to #1MavsFan, reeds, vinnie.... I wouldn't bother reading this because it is good news about the election...

If you want to hear good news about today's elections, carry on...
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Iraqis Defy Threats to Vote for Assembly (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050131/D87UQ7200.html)
By SALLY BUZBEE

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Iraqis embraced democracy in large numbers Sunday, standing in long lines to vote in defiance of mortar attacks, suicide bombers and boycott calls. Pushed in wheelchairs or carts if they couldn't walk, the elderly, the young and women in veils cast ballots in Iraq's first free election in a half-century.



DANG IT!! i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

FishForLunch
01-31-2005, 07:55 PM
Will Jesse, Boxer et al.. go over to Iraq to protest the disenfranschisement of Sunni Voters. The liberals must really feel for the oppressed Sunni minority.

#1MavsFan
01-31-2005, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by: u2sarajevo
Maybe your bitter that no voters got killed...????



no, I'm bitter thousands of soldiers, and approximately 50k civilians died for nothing and that the idiot running our country is responsible.

capitalcity
01-31-2005, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by: #1MavsFan ...approximately 50k civilians died...
LINK? - (al-jazeera doesn't count)

#1MavsFan
01-31-2005, 11:11 PM
Even fox news say's about 45k~ have died by the numbers released from the goverment. And that doesn't include the amount thats gone uncounted.

edit: It's WAY more:

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/nation/4874382.htm?1c

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2004/10/28/iraq_deaths041028.html

dude1394
02-01-2005, 01:32 AM
You think that you'd at least have an atricle that wasn't from 2003.

the 158,000 this person is talking about is from the 1991 gulf war. Were you against that one too??

FishForLunch
02-01-2005, 05:48 PM
Mavsfan Cheer up Gorbachev says the elections were Fake

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Gorbachev calls Iraq elections fake


Tuesday 01 February 2005, 23:18 Makka Time, 20:18 GMT


Former Soviet president Mikhail Gorbachev has called the Iraqi parliamentary elections a desecration, according to Moscow News, an English-language sister publication of Gazeta.ru.



Interfax news agency quoted the pioneer of glasnost and perestroika as saying the 30 January elections in Iraq were "very far from what true elections are".



Gorbachev said: "And even though I am a supporter of elections and of the transfer of power to the people of Iraq, these elections were fake.

"I don't think these elections will be of any use. They may even have a negative impact on the country. Democracy cannot be imposed or strengthened with guns and tanks," Gorbachev said, according to Interfax.



Current Russian President Vladimir Putin, however, said he believed elections this weekend in Iraq were a "positive event" on the road to normalising the situation in the country, Interfax news agency said on Monday.


Aljazeera + Agencies