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vinnieponte
02-17-2005, 07:00 PM
AP: Iraqi Died While Hung From Wrists

2 hours, 57 minutes ago Politics - AP


By SETH HETTENA, Associated Press Writer

SAN DIEGO - An Iraqi whose corpse was photographed with grinning U.S. soldiers at Abu Ghraib died under CIA interrogation while in a position condemned by human rights groups as torture suspended by his wrists, with his hands cuffed behind his back, according to reports reviewed by The Associated Press.

The death of the prisoner, Manadel al-Jamadi, became known last year when the Abu Ghraib prison scandal broke. The U.S. military said back then that the death had been ruled a homicide. But the exact circumstances under which the man died were not disclosed at the time.

The prisoner died in a position known as "Palestinian hanging," the documents reviewed by The AP show. It is unclear whether that position was approved by the Bush administration for use in CIA interrogations.

The spy agency, which faces congressional scrutiny over its detention and interrogation of terror suspects at the Baghdad prison and elsewhere, declined to comment for this story, as did the Justice Department.

Al-Jamadi was one of the CIA's "ghost" detainees at Abu Ghraib prisoners being held secretly by the agency.

His death in November 2003 became public with the release of photos of Abu Ghraib guards giving a thumbs-up over his bruised and puffy-faced corpse, which had been packed in ice. One of those guards was Pvt. Charles Graner, who last month received 10 years in a military prison for abusing detainees.

Al-Jamadi died in a prison shower room during about a half-hour of questioning, before interrogators could extract any information, according to the documents, which consist of statements from Army prison guards to investigators with the military and the CIA's Inspector General's office.

One Army guard, Sgt. Jeffery Frost, said the prisoner's arms were stretched behind him in a way he had never before seen. Frost told investigators he was surprised al-Jamadi's arms "didn't pop out of their sockets," according to a summary of his interview.

Frost and other guards had been summoned to reposition al-Jamadi, who an interrogator said was not cooperating. As the guards released the shackles and lowered al-Jamadi, blood gushed from his mouth "as if a faucet had been turned on," according to the interview summary.

The military pathologist who ruled the case a homicide found several broken ribs and concluded al-Jamadi died from pressure to the chest and difficulty breathing.

Dr. Michael Baden, a distinguished civilian pathologist who reviewed the autopsy for a defense attorney in the case, agreed in an interview that the position in which al-Jamadi was suspended could have contributed to his death.

Dr. Vincent Iacopino, director of research for Physicians for Human Rights, called the hyper-extension of the arms behind the back "clear and simple torture." The European Court of Human Rights found Turkey guilty of torture in 1996 in a case of Palestinian hanging a technique Iacopino said is used worldwide but named for its alleged use by Israel in the Palestinian territories.

The Washington Post reported last year that after the Abu Ghraib scandal broke, the CIA suspended the use of its "enhanced interrogation techniques," including stress positions, because of fears that the agency could be accused of unsanctioned and illegal activity. The newspaper said the White House had approved the tactics.

Navy SEALs apprehended al-Jamadi as a suspect in the Oct. 27, 2003, bombing of Red Cross offices in Baghdad that killed 12 people. His alleged role in the bombing is unclear. According to court documents and testimony, the SEALs punched, kicked and struck al-Jamadi with their rifles before handing him over to the CIA early on Nov. 4. By 7 a.m., al-Jamadi was dead.

Navy prosecutors in San Diego have charged nine SEALs and one sailor with abusing al-Jamadi and others. All but two lieutenants have received nonjudicial punishment; one lieutenant is scheduled for court-martial in March, the other is awaiting a hearing before the Navy's top SEAL.

The statements from five of Abu Ghraib's Army guards were shown to The AP by an attorney for one of the SEALs, who said they offered a more balanced picture of what happened. The lawyer asked not to be identified, saying he feared repercussions for his client.

According to the statements:

Al-Jamadi was brought naked below the waist to the prison with a CIA interrogator and translator. A green plastic bag covered his head, and plastic cuffs tightly bound his wrists. Guards dressed al-Jamadi in an orange jumpsuit, slapped on metal handcuffs and escorted him to the shower room, a common CIA interrogation spot.

There, the interrogator instructed guards to attach shackles from the prisoner's handcuffs to a barred window. That would let al-Jamadi stand without pain, but if he tried to lower himself, his arms would be stretched above and behind him.

The documents do not make clear what happened after guards left. After about a half-hour, the interrogator called for the guards to reposition the prisoner, who was slouching with his arms stretched behind him.

The interrogator told guards that al-Jamadi was "playing possum" faking it and then watched as guards struggled to get him on his feet. But the guards realized it was useless.

"After we found out he was dead, they were nervous," Spc. Dennis E. Stevanus said of the CIA interrogator and translator. "They didn't know what the hell to do."

FishForLunch
02-17-2005, 09:49 PM
That guy just blew up your close friends and is plotting to blow up more with his IED's. If only the guards were polite he would have been forthcoming with information. I have no pity for those terrorists.

mavsman55
02-17-2005, 10:25 PM
They can capture our innocent social workers, women, and other innocent civilians, chop their heads off, and shoot them in the heads... this is nothing compared to what they would have done in the situation. I agree with Vinnie to the extent that this could have been prevented and didn't need to happen, but I can't force myself to feel sympathy for this man.

vinnieponte
02-18-2005, 10:38 AM
we condemn their tactics yet we turn around and torture them to death, now how do we look

Epitome22
02-18-2005, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by: FishForLunch
That guy just blew up your close friends and is plotting to blow up more with his IED's. If only the guards were polite he would have been forthcoming with information. I have no pity for those terrorists.


I'm sorry, do you have direct evidence that this man was implicable an any terrorist attacks? what's the basis for your knowledge that he was also planning to participate in terrorist attacks in the future?

I know arabs must all look alike to you, but simply having brown skin is not in itself acrime worthy of death.


You're a pathetic excuse for an American.

mavsman55
02-18-2005, 09:04 PM
Originally posted by: Epitome22

Originally posted by: FishForLunch
That guy just blew up your close friends and is plotting to blow up more with his IED's. If only the guards were polite he would have been forthcoming with information. I have no pity for those terrorists.


I'm sorry, do you have direct evidence that this man was implicable an any terrorist attacks? what's the basis for your knowledge that he was also planning to participate in terrorist attacks in the future?

I know arabs must all look alike to you, but simply having brown skin is not in itself acrime worthy of death.


You're a pathetic excuse for an American.


When did he say the man should have died because he's an Arab. Point it out in his post and then I'll understand why he's a "pathetic" American.

Ninkobei
02-18-2005, 10:00 PM
This just goes to show that there are monsters on both sides of the battle.