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dirno2000
04-09-2005, 12:13 AM
After beating PHX, they've won 8 straight, 11 of their last 12 (the one loss was at the hands of your Dallas Mavericks) and 17 out of their last 24.

Now that they have a PG to get the ball to their young guns: Pietrus, Cabarkapa, Dunlevy, Murphy and Richardson to name a few, I wouldn't be suprised to see them challenge for a playoff spot in the already crowded West next season.

poohrichardson
04-09-2005, 12:15 AM
Not to mention they'd be a top seed if they had any legit big men..

DubOverdose
04-09-2005, 01:32 AM
Originally posted by: poohrichardson
Not to mention they'd be a top seed if they had any legit big men..
AKA: Erick Dampier instead of Foyle

MavKikiNYC
04-09-2005, 08:47 AM
SPORTS OF THE TIMES
The Old College Try May Work After All
By WILLIAM C. RHODEN

Published: April 9, 2005



OAKLAND

NEARLY a year ago, Mike Montgomery seemed to have made a Faustian pact. After 18 seasons as basketball coach at nearby Stanford, Montgomery leaped to the Golden State Warriors, a franchise that had not made the playoffs since the 1993-94 season. By the All-Star Game break, critics were using Montgomery as the latest example of a college coach struggling to make the transition to the pros.

In 26 seasons as a college coach, Montgomery had endured only one losing campaign. At one point in his last season at Stanford, the Cardinal was 26-0. After defeating Atlanta on Feb. 23, Golden State's record was 16-38. Then the next day, Chris Mullin, the Warriors' vice president for basketball operations, acquired Baron Davis at the trading deadline.

Davis was as miserable in New Orleans with the foundering Hornets as Montgomery was in Oakland with the sinking Warriors. The trade revitalized Golden State. Davis is the league's hottest player, Montgomery is the league's hottest coach and, after knocking off the Phoenix Suns last night for their eighth straight victory, the Warriors are the N.B.A.'s hottest team.

The Warriors (31-45) will not make the playoffs, but if they had not turned their season around, Montgomery was not sure how he would have survived.

"If we had continued to struggle it would have been very, very difficult," Montgomery said earlier this week.

Golden State is 15-7 with Davis in the lineup. The Warriors have given Davis, who is averaging 18.5 points and 8 assists a game with Golden State, a new lease on life in the N.B.A. He has played for Paul Silas, Tim Floyd and Byron Scott and is now flourishing with Montgomery.

"Me and Paul Silas had communication," Davis said earlier this week. "Tim Floyd was a guy from college who hadn't won in the league and he still had that college coaching style of a dictatorship. He didn't want to listen. Playing with Coach Scott, it was more like he was a dictator. It was his way or the highway. What Coach Montgomery is doing is listening. He's still dictating, but at the same time, at least the players know that they can voice their opinion."

In the N.B.A., players make teams, players make coaches. Montgomery has learned to stay out the way. N.B.A. players have enormous talent, they have a union, they have money and they have power. The transition from college can be an impossible one, especially for a white coach whose relationship with mostly black players has often been authoritarian and paternalistic. The coach holds all the cards in college. The N.B.A. is one of the rare free spaces in society where white and black men meet eye to eye on a relatively level playing field. Not everyone can handle that challenge.

The last college coach the Warriors hired, P. J. Carlesimo, wound up on the wrong side of a Latrell Sprewell chokehold.

"One of the things about the pros you've got to understand is that this is a game of the big boys now, and occasionally they're going to say something to you that nobody would say to you in college, and you've got to understand that, 'Hey, grow up, be a big boy,' " Montgomery said. "Don't get all upset about stuff."

The one time he did not stay out the way, Montgomery was run over. During Tuesday night's victory over Houston, the Rockets' Bob Sura, infuriated over an official's call, bumped into Montgomery as he was running down court. Montgomery said he thought the contact was accidental. The official knew better and called a technical. In college, Sura may have been kicked out the game. A technical will suffice in the N.B.A.

"There are probably some teams where guys are really not having much fun because of the dynamics," Montgomery said. "We went through that early in the year with some of the guys, not really overt, but pretty subtle, with stuff going on and it makes it a lot harder, and that's the nature of this league."

I wrote with runaway idealism last year that Montgomery was a college basketball lifer. Montgomery, I wrote, had "made peace with the limitations, the below-market salaries and the restrictions on accepting some blue-chip recruits."

Three months later, in May, he was introduced as the coach of the Golden State Warriors, signing a four-year contract for about $10 million. So much for peace.

"I was proud of what I accomplished in college," Montgomery said. "I had as good a job as there is in college basketball. There comes a point when it's never going to be enough. If you win 500, you have to win 700. If you win 700, you have to win 800. Nobody ever wants to let you out. I always knew that, that you're just going to have to make a choice based on what you wanted to do."

There is a buzz here over the Warriors. Everyone is talking about next season in a way they haven't in decades. This is great news for the Warriors' marketing department and good news, in the short term, for the coach. But Montgomery has coached long enough to know that the downfall of most coaches is the failure to live up to expectations.

The Golden State fans are turned on again, thanks in large part to Davis, who had 15 points and 15 assists last night against the Suns.

"I think they enjoy watching him play," Montgomery said. "That's what they see professional basketball being. He has some showmanship to him, he entertains, but at the same time he's winning for us. I think it's more the excitement of having a chance to win games, what the future may bring with a guy like that."

The N.B.A.'s best quality is also its worst: players and coaches learn to deal with losing, and learn how to win enough to keep a job. The challenge, as Montgomery has quickly discovered, is to cast idealism aside, maintain integrity, get as much as you can get - and smile.

rakesh.s
04-09-2005, 09:05 AM
I watched the whole game last night, and meant to post a thread, but never got around to it.

The game was incredible, especially in the 4th quarter..Amare got to the foul line 8 straight times, but GS answered every time with a 3 ptr from dunleavy or pietrus.

I'd like to think that GS was incredibly hot last night...There's no way they beat phoenix if Pietrus doesn't shoot 6-6 from downtown. It was just silly.

Amare threw down some slams in Foyle's face...Talk about getting posterized, damn!! I hope you guys were able to see it on Sportscenter.

I'm not sold on the Warriors..Every year, they make a push in the last 25 games and the following season looks promising. Then next season comes around, and they play like total crap again.. I thought it was rather amusing that the announcers were going on and on about how the game felt like a playoff game..How the hell would they know? They call Warriors games.

Some hilarious post game quotes, courtesy of yahoo recap -

Stoudemire also dunked twice on Adonal Foyle's head -- knocking down the Golden State shot-blocking specialist, then popping his jersey after the second incredible slam in the third quarter.

"I gave up my body to science -- at least to the Amare Stoudemire Foundation,'' said Foyle, who grabbed 17 rebounds, blocked five shots and had a career-high five assists.

kg_veteran
04-09-2005, 09:06 AM
dirno - I agree with you. I was talking to someone about this last night. The Warriors are really playing great ball. I think they've saved Montgomery's job, if nothing else.

If they can get any center play, they darn well might be a playoff team, because they're really athletic and talented.

rakesh.s
04-09-2005, 09:09 AM
Originally posted by: kg_veteran

If they can get any center play, they darn well might be a playoff team, because they're really athletic and talented.

They're in the same situation the mavs were in for the last 2.5 years. They have a center but don't play him consistently...Foyle probably had his best game of the season last night, but the guy can definitely block shots. Sometimes they play him 35 mins, sometimes they play him 15 mins.

EricaLubarsky
04-09-2005, 10:59 AM
they may be the Hornets of last year, and as much a fan as I was of the Warriors, they are still a soft team, and they are really at the mercy of the Baron's back.

MavKikiNYC
04-09-2005, 11:30 AM
Interesting comments by Davis about coaching styles of Silas and Montgomery as opposed to those of Coach BS and Tim Floyd.

OTOH, Silas is out of a job and Coach BS is still snarfing beignets.

Makes a man wonder.

chumdawg
04-09-2005, 12:42 PM
The main theme I heard from Davis is that he doesn't take dictation well.

dirno2000
04-09-2005, 01:09 PM
I thought it was rather amusing that the announcers were going on and on about how the game felt like a playoff game..How the hell would they know? They call Warriors games.We were thinking the same thing "what does a Warriors announcer know about a playoff atmosphere".

The game played out a lot like our last game with PHX, Amare would go to the basket and he'd get the call EVERY TIME. The difference is, we missed our wide open three's in the 4th and GS made theirs.


and they are really at the mercy of the Baron's back.This is the key to their season next year. I'm normally up pretty late so I catch the last half of a lot of their games and they've been a rudderless ship. I have no idea why they poured the kind of money that they did into Fisher...he's more of a spot up shooter then a pg. What was happening was, J-Rich would dominate the ball in the 4th quarter and Dunlevey would pout because when Richardson gets the ball it's going up. Now Barron dominates the ball, but at least he'll pass it if someone is open. So Richardson’s touches are down and in the last month they've gotten big 4th quarter performances from guys who used to just stand around.


Amare threw down some slams in Foyle's face...Talk about getting posterized, damn!! I hope you guys were able to see it on Sportscenter.That dunk was ridiculous...probably watched it ten times on tivo because you shouldn't be able to dunk on somebody sideways when you take off from outside the charge circle. He's so good sometimes it's scary...(as an aside, these players were picked before him in the draft: Yao, Jay Williams, Dunleavy, Gooden, Skita, Dejuan Wagner, Nene, and Chris Wilcox).

Thespiralgoeson
04-10-2005, 03:26 AM
Originally posted by: rakesh.s
I watched the whole game last night, and meant to post a thread, but never got around to it.


I'm not sold on the Warriors..Every year, they make a push in the last 25 games and the following season looks promising. Then next season comes around, and they play like total crap again.. I thought it was rather amusing that the announcers were going on and on about how the game felt like a playoff game..How the hell would they know? They call Warriors games.

I have to agree, I think this team is truly incapable of making the playoffs. I went to a Mavs/Warriors game in the 2002-2003 season, and I remember being amazed at all the talent on that roster. Antawn Jamison, Jason Richardson, Gilbert Arenas, Erick Dampier, Earl Boykens, Mike Dunleavy Jr. among others. If they couldn't make the playoffs with that roster, I doubt Baron Davis will get them there next season.

Mandyahl
04-10-2005, 04:39 AM
as for my second favorite team, i'd say the warriors. i get to watch them a lot out here in california and i like what i've seen since the davis trade. they're not doing too much this year, but a young core of b-diddy, j-rich, dunleavy, and the supremely underrated troy murphy should be fun to watch for years to come.

who said that a month ago? dang, i like it when i'm right...

seriously, though, whoever said that the warriors do this every year is partially right...i think that they have come on strong at the end of the season for the past few years, creating hope for the next year. problem is, they seem to lose someone every summer (first jamison and arenas, then dampier). so then they start out abysmally the next year because they have a new assortment of players and have lost a lot of the talent that they had. then, as their young players mature and get used to one another, they close out the year strong, much like what is happening now. it's sort of like the bulls model...lots of young talent, but they started the year 0-9 before putting it all together and becoming one of the better teams in the east. golden state just seems to take a longer time to figure it all out. but they seem to do it every year and then come back and suck again at the beginning of the next season.

the key difference this time (i hope) is that they will keep this core together next year. they have murphy, j-rich, and foyle locked up in long term deals, and dunleavy, pietrus, and baron all have at least one more year on their contracts. also, the warriors have an interesting assortment of young international prospects in skita, zarko, and biedrins. so, all in all, i think the warriors do have a bright future (and i certainly hope they do because it will make going to their games a lot more fun).

fin4life
04-10-2005, 02:05 PM
I know that the warriors have good talent and they are playing good ball right now.... but this happens every year. They always finish the year with a great run that comes after they are out of playoff contentsion. It has happened the last 3 years. It is very easy for talented, young NBA players to play relaxed basketball when there is absolutely no pressure on them.

Until the warriors can play inspired ball for a first half of the season, they wont be able to make the playoffs.

dirno2000
04-10-2005, 03:28 PM
The thing that separates this late season run by GS from the past few years is the fact that this year there’s a basketball reason for it. They’ve been dangerous all season, the problem was that they signed Derrick Fisher to be their point guard. He’s spent his whole career playing in a motion offense that uses the pg as a spot up shooter. As a result Jason Richardson ended up handling the ball way too much.

If Barron Davis goes down with his annual long term injury then they’re pretty much in the same boat, but if they can keep him upright, I wouldn’t be so quick to write them off for a run at the 7th or 8th spot in the West.

fin4life
04-10-2005, 07:43 PM
I hope that you are right Dirno... i just remember thinking at the end of each of the last few years that they are just a year away from the playoffs. I am always rooting for them, but they just havent been able to turn the corner. Maybe Baron Davis will be the catalyst that gets them over the hump.