View Full Version : Is Carl Levin from planet earth?

07-14-2005, 07:39 PM
So durbin honestly thinks that an islamofacist will give a **** what we do at gitmo if they capture an american. Someone take away his car keys as well, he's obviously not responsible enough to operate heavy machinery.

captainquarters (http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/004955.php)

The Latest Gitmo Stupidity: Islamists May Mistreat US Soldiers

Sometimes I wish I could buy some people a clue in the same manner as Wheel of Fortune contestants can purchase vowels from Vanna White. The latest meme coming from Senate Democrats regarding Camp X-Ray in Guantanamo Bay -- now that their characterizations of torture chambers worthy of Josef Mengele have been debunked -- holds that our failure to give full POW status to terrorists at Gitmo will lead our enemy to abuse captured US soldiers.

Quit laughing. I'm serious:

The U.S. Congress should pass legislation defining the legal status of enemy combatants at Guantanamo Bay to avoid more damage to the United States' image abroad and reprisals against U.S. soldiers, senators said on Thursday. ...

Senators said harsh interrogation practices and the refusal to grant prisoner of war status to detainees could backfire when U.S. soldiers are captured.

"Our troops are looking at us to see whether we're going to adopt a standard that if they were captured would be acceptable," said Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, the committee's top Democrat.

07-21-2005, 01:07 AM
Carl Levin is a communist infiltrator. He should be tried for treason.

01-03-2006, 02:40 PM
Seems that Durbin(surprise) is full of it, as expected. He and Teddy really should go retire somewhere. The bolded items burn my butt!

From poweline (http://powerlineblog.com/archives/012722.php)

Ronald Rotunda is the Foundation Professor of Law at the George Mason University Law School. He is one of the most prominent scholars of constitutional law and legal ethics in the United States. A look at his Web page shows that, in addition to his scholarly attainments, he is also distinguished within the legal profession by a good sense of humor.

In order to help the Defense Department sort out some of the difficult legal issues it confronts in the war, he recently served a year as the special counsel to the general counsel of the department. Yesterday the Sueddeutsche Zeitung published an edited version of Professor Rotunda's column on the American detention facility in Guantanamo, a subject of Professor Rotunda's work as special counsel. Professor Rotunda's column was translated into German for him by a German law professor and edited by the newspaper.

Professor Rotunda describes the Sueddeutsche Zeitung as comparable to the New York Times -- Germany's most liberal daily, with a subscription base of one-and-a-half million readers. Though I may be mistaken, it occurs to me that the some of the information Professor Rotunda presents in this column hasn't appeared in English in America's New York Times and would in any event be of interest to our readers. Professor Rotunda has kindly provided us the original version of his column "Guantanamo, another story":

The news media prominently publicize the mistakes that the United States has made while conducting its war against terror, and they should, because newspaper criticism is an important check on the abuse of power. The recent publicity surrounding the abduction of the Lebanese-born German national, Khaled al-Masri, is an example. Because terrorists, contrary to the Geneva Conventions, do not wear uniforms or other insignia visible from a distance, civilians are put at risk. In this case, Macedonian police apparently turned over al-Masri to agents of the Central Intelligence Agency because the police and agents mistook him for an al Qaeda operative with a similar name. Then, it appears that they wrongly imprisoned him for several months in Afghanistan until they discovered their mistake.

While we should know about such blunders, there is another side of the story -- what the United States is doing in its prison in Guantanamo Bay. I visited several times and was given complete access to all parts of the base I cared to see. I visited the prisoners’ cells, where they were interrogated, where they played volleyball, and where they ate.

It was not what I had expected. The news media talked of each prisoner isolated in their individual cells. Most of the cells are separated by chain-link fence, so the prisoners talk to each other and play games with the checkers, chess, and backgammon that the military has supplied.

This is an American base, so the tap water is drinkable except for a few well-marked locations. The detainees, however, prefer bottled water, so they drink that while their guards drink tap water. The military even flew in fresh dates and other fruits from the Mideast so the detainees could celebrate Muslim feast days like Ramadan and Eid al Fitr in style. The International Red Cross inspects the base on a regular basis.

The detainees receive the same medical care as the soldiers. Some receive, for the very first time, eyeglasses and crucial medicine. When they are released, some have told the press that they were well-treated; others have claimed torture, but that does not mean it occurred, because the al Qaeda training manual advises its members to always claim torture.

There have been unfortunate instances where soldiers behaved very badly, and the military has punished them. For example, one detainee collected his own urine and threw it at a guard, who responded by hitting the detainee; the military responded by punishing the guard.

After the U.S. Supreme Court decisions of last year, the military created a special tribunal to decide if each detainee was properly captured. The government informs the detainee why the military is holding him and gives him an opportunity to respond and present his evidence. Some detainees waive their right to participate. In addition, the military created another level of hearings (not required by the U.S. Supreme Court) that determines if the detainee, even if a member of al Qaeda or the Taliban, should nonetheless be released because he is no longer dangerous.

Through these two proceedings, the military has released several hundred detainees from Guantanamo. Some of these releases are mistakes: about 5 percent to 10 percent of them are later recaptured or killed in battle. Others will return to battle but we will never know that. One released detainee later killed a judge leaving a mosque in Afghanistan. Another detainee, Abdullah Meshoud, bragged that he fooled interrogators into releasing him, so he could return to battle.

In other cases, the government will release someone wrongly held. For example, the military stopped a truck in Afghanistan holding about 21 people, all dressed like local farmers, along with many weapons. One of them said that he was not part of the group and was just a farmer hitching a ride on the truck. The other 20 refuse to talk to the Americans because they are infidels. They were all taken to Guantanamo and, after several months, some of the people, impressed by their treatment, started talking and confirmed the first person’s story. The military released that person. Given the fact that the terrorists masquerade as civilians, these mistakes are both very unfortunate and unavoidable.

Each cell has an arrow telling detainees where to face east when they recite their Muslim prayers. Islamic mullahs minister to the detainees in their own language, and there is a call to prayer five times a day. Each detainee receives a copy of the Quran. Sometimes detainees cut out pages of their Quran to send secret messages to each other. At least once, a detainee threw his copy down a toilet in an effort to obstruct the plumbing. (Rumors about that incident led to story, later found to be false, that a U.S. soldier had intentionally thrown a copy of the Quran down the toilet. However, the rules do not even allow the soldiers to touch the Quran.)

The military is under orders to respect the detainees’ religion. Detainees know that and use that information to their advantage. At Camp Bucca Detention Center in Iraq, the military set up tent as a mosque and told the American soldiers that they could not go there out of respect for the detainees. The detainees used that tent to build a massive underground escape tunnel over 120 meters long. The tunnel’s walls were smooth and sculpted with concrete, water and milk from the food the Americans had supplied. The detainees safely stored their tools and make-shift weapons inside this mosque because it was off limits to the guards. When the guards learned about the expected prison break from a detainee, they stopped it and the detainees fought back, using floorboards as shields, and socks filled with a cocktail of feces, dirt and flammable, slow-burning hand sanitizer. One of these crude bombs even ignited a Polaris all-terrain vehicle. On the fourth day of the riot, the guards called in air support and the detainees surrendered.

The government must treat all detainees humanely because it is the right thing to do and because that is what U.S. law requires. The government will make missteps because all human institutions are fallible. Yet we should know that there is another side to the story and the government is learning from its mistakes.

Sincere thanks to Professor Rotunda for letting us publish his column.

01-03-2006, 02:47 PM
Just follow the law. that simple rule seems to have been forgotten by the current administration.

Good to see that this writer agrees with my point.

01-03-2006, 03:06 PM
Sort of agree Mavdog. Hope you'll be right with me when the imprison those classified leakers...

01-03-2006, 03:11 PM
you mean the whistleblowers? give them an award, that's what is typically done for those who step forward and reveal/expose the lawbreakers.