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Mavdog
08-23-2005, 12:32 PM
whoa. he is out of control. crazy. out of his mind.
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Robertson Calls for Chavez Assassination By SUE LINDSEY, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 7 minutes ago

Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson has suggested that American agents assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez to stop his country from becoming "a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism."

An official of a theological watchdog group on Tuesday criticized Robertson's statement as "chilling."

"We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability," Robertson said Monday on the Christian Broadcast Network's "The 700 Club."

"We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator," he continued. "It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with."

Chavez has emerged as one of the most outspoken critics of President Bush, accusing the United States of conspiring to topple his government and possibly backing plots to assassinate him. U.S. officials have called the accusations ridiculous.

"You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it," Robertson said. "It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war ... and I don't think any oil shipments will stop."

On Tuesday, critics objected to Robertson's statements.

"It's absolutely chilling to hear a religious leader call for the murder of any political leader, no matter how much he disagrees with such a leader's policies or practices," said the Rev. Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State.

David Brock, president of Media Matters, a liberal media watchdog group, said the remarks should discredit Robertson as a spokesman for the religious right.

Robertson, 75, founder of the Christian Coalition of America and a former presidential candidate, accused the United States of failing to act when Chavez was briefly overthrown in 2002.

A Robertson spokeswoman, Angell Watts, said he would not do interviews Tuesday and had no statement elaborating on his remarks.

A call seeking comment from the U.S. State Department was not immediately returned Tuesday.

Chavez was believed to be in Cuba, but his whereabouts were unknown and no media access was announced.

In Caracas, pro-Chavez legislator Desire Santos Amaral accused Robertson of shedding his Christian values.

"This man cannot be a true Christian. He's a fascist," Santos said. "This is part of the policies of aggression from the right wing in the North against our revolution."

Santos said she thinks U.S.-Venezuelan relations could still improve but comments by "charlatans and fascists" like Robertson only get in the way.

Venezuela is the fifth largest oil exporter and a major supplier of oil to the United States. The CIA estimates that U.S. markets absorb almost 59 percent of Venezuela's total exports.

Venezuela's government has demanded in the past that the United States crack down on Cuban and Venezuelan "terrorists" in Florida who they say are conspiring against Chavez.

Robertson has made controversial statements in the past. In October 2003, he suggested that the State Department be blown up with a nuclear device. He has also said that feminism encourages women to "kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians."

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Bystander
08-23-2005, 12:39 PM
Is this the benefit of merging "church and state"?

u2sarajevo
08-23-2005, 01:02 PM
What a great representative of the Christian faith.......


.....or NOT.

dalmations202
08-23-2005, 03:48 PM
Talk about some "out of context" stuff. Wow.... But still that is very shocking coming from a proclaimed "Christian".

Although he has a point, even as a Christian. If all life is valuable (and it is), then wouldn't removing one be better than causing a revolution(war) that would take many lives?

Just a thought, and I am by no way endorsing Robertson. I have pondered this one a long time though, and do not know the answer. I guess it will take alot more study, fasting, and prayer.

If you had the chance to kill Hilter, before he killed all the Jews, would you - especially knowing what you know now?

u2sarajevo
08-23-2005, 04:04 PM
Kill him? No.

Arrest him? You bet.

MavKikiNYC
08-23-2005, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by: u2sarajevo
Kill him? No.

Arrest him? You bet.

So why not arrest Pat Robertson, pre-emptively? Just in case......

kg_veteran
08-23-2005, 04:31 PM
I wish I could see the contexts in which these remarks were made. Unfortunately, this would not be the first time Robertson has stuck his foot in his mouth.

u2sarajevo
08-23-2005, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by: MavKikiNYC

Originally posted by: u2sarajevo
Kill him? No.

Arrest him? You bet.

So why not arrest Pat Robertson, pre-emptively? Just in case......Because Pat Robertson hasn't done anything in the past that I know would kill tons of innocent people. Hitler did. He said "knowing what I now know".

dude1394
08-23-2005, 07:22 PM
Funny...Robertson (if these remarks are true) will be comdemned by the republican party as inappropriate. If he was a democrat he'd be in the presidential box at the convention.

madape
08-24-2005, 09:20 AM
That sounds like something I would say! Go Pat!

Bystander
08-24-2005, 11:44 AM
I'm new here. Is dude in high school? In Crawford?

u2sarajevo
08-24-2005, 03:27 PM
Evangelist backs off Chavez assassination call (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/08/24/MTFH81183_2005-08-24_16-59-47_SCH362917.html)
Aug 24 12:51 PM US/Eastern


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Conservative U.S. evangelist Pat Robertson, who called for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, said on Wednesday he was misinterpreted and there were a number of ways to "take him out" including kidnapping.

"I said our special forces could take him out. Take him out could be a number of things including kidnapping," Robertson said on his "The 700 Club" television program.

"There are a number of ways of taking out a dictator from power besides killing him. I was misinterpreted," Robertson added.

Robertson, the founder of the Christian Coalition and a presidential candidate in 1988, said on Monday of Chavez, one of Bush's most vocal critics: "If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it."

"We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability." He made the comments during his "The 700 Club" television program.

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on Tuesday dismissed Robertson's remarks, but the White House remained silent despite calls for repudiation from Venezuela and religious leaders including the Rev. Jesse Jackson. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack called "without fact and baseless" any ideas of hostile action against Chavez or Venezuela.

The leftist Chavez has often accused the United States of plotting his overthrow or assassination. Alongside Cuban President Fidel Castro in Havana on Sunday, Chavez scoffed at the idea that he and Castro were destabilizing troublemakers.

Chavez survived a short-lived coup in 2002 that he says was backed by the United States. Washington denies involvement.

Venezuelan officials said Robertson's remarks, while those of a private citizen, took on more significance given his ties to President George W. Bush's Christian-right supporters.

"Mr Robertson has been one of this president's staunchest allies. His statement demands the strongest condemnation by the White House," Venezuela's ambassador to the United States Bernardo Alvarez said.


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The man must think we are idiots.

capitalcity
08-24-2005, 03:41 PM
The man must think we are idiots....and sandinista sympathizers.

Robertson's a bumbling sheperd of the ederly - OTOH, You'll never hear Jack Van Impe make an ass of himself.

MavKikiNYC
08-24-2005, 08:45 PM
Mr. Robertson appears to be a liar.

Robertson Apologizes but Says He Was 'Misinterpreted'

By LAURIE GOODSTEIN
Published: August 24, 2005

The Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson issued a statement today apologizing for his televised remarks calling for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez.

"Is it right to call for assassination?" he said in the statement. "No, and I apologize for that statement. I spoke in frustration that we should accommodate the man who thinks the U.S. is out to kill him."

But Mr. Robertson was far from apologetic on his television show today, instead insisting that he had been been "misinterpreted" by The Associated Press and that he had never used the word "assassination."

"I said our special forces should 'take him out.' 'Take him out' could be a number of things, including kidnapping," Mr. Robertson told his audience on the show "The 700 Club" today.

The video from Monday's telecast, easily available on the internet, shows Mr. Robertson saying of the Venezuelan president: "If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war, and I don't think any oil shipments will stop." Mr. Robertson went on at length about Mr. Chávez, suggesting that "covert operatives" could "do the job and then get it over with."

Political and religious leaders continued to denounce Mr. Robertson today. The World Evangelical Alliance issued a statement saying, "Robertson does not speak for evangelical Christians. We believe in justice and the protection of human rights of all people, including the life of President Chavez."

On Tuesday, Mr. Robertson's comments were denounced by both the State Department and by Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld. In Caracas, Mr. Robertson was criticized by the vice president of Venezuela, and in Havana by President Fidel Castro.

Smiles
08-25-2005, 01:00 PM
Pat's comment sounds like something you'd hear from many military personnel who have seen combat. Sometimes they will point out a way to avoid an all out war by killing the "point man". Of course, that's never overtly condoned by the politicians because it seems so much more intentional and brutal than waging an official war where the deaths are more random and numerous.

It is surprising that Pat would make such a public statement - considering his supposed position in the global community. He's been hanging out with too many Marine Recons and Army Special Forces. That line of thought is better kept among close comrads and tight friends - not in the media.

Drbio
08-25-2005, 07:44 PM
Pat learned how to respond straight out of the libidiot guide to sache and flip flop.

MavKikiNYC
11-11-2005, 10:33 AM
''I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: if there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God. You just rejected Him from your city.''

-- Pat Robertson, Nov. 2005

Televangelist Robertson Warns Town of God's Wrath
Directs Words to Voters Who Ousted Pro-'Intelligent Design' School Board

By Alan Elsner, Reuters

WASHINGTON (Nov. 11) - Conservative Christian televangelist Pat Robertson told citizens of a Pennsylvania town that they had rejected God by voting their school board out of office for supporting "intelligent design" and warned them on Thursday not to be surprised if disaster struck.


Robertson, a former Republican presidential candidate and founder of the influential conservative Christian Broadcasting Network and Christian Coalition, has a long record of similar apocalyptic warnings and provocative statements.

Last summer, he hit the headlines by calling for the assassination of leftist Venezuelan Present Hugo Chavez, one of President George W. Bush's most vocal international critics.

"I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: if there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected Him from your city," Robertson said on his daily television show broadcast from Virginia, "The 700 Club."

"And don't wonder why He hasn't helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I'm not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that's the case, don't ask for His help because he might not be there," he said.

The 700 Club claims a daily audience of around one million. It is also broadcast around the world translated into more than 70 languages.

In voting on Tuesday, all eight Dover, Pennsylvania, school board members up for re-election lost their seats after trying to introduce "intelligent design" to high school science students as an alternative to the theory of evolution.

Adherents of intelligent design argue that certain forms in nature are too complex to have evolved through natural selection and must have been created by a "designer." Opponents say it is the latest attempt by conservatives to introduce religion into the school science curriculum.

The Dover case sparked a trial in federal court that gained nationwide attention after the school board was sued by parents backed by the American Civil Liberties Union. The board ordered schools to read students a short statement in biology classes informing them that the theory of evolution is not established fact and that gaps exist in it.

The statement mentioned intelligent design as an alternate theory and recommended students read a book that explained the theory further. A decision in the case is expected before the end of the year.

In 1998, Robertson warned the city of Orlando, Florida that it risked hurricanes, earthquakes and terrorist bombs after it allowed homosexual organizations to put up rainbow flags in support of sexual diversity.

kg_veteran
11-11-2005, 11:33 AM
Once again, Pat Robertson's comments get twisted against him.

This is much more about people who don't like Pat Robertson than about Pat Robertson.

Usually Lurkin
11-11-2005, 12:23 PM
yeah. I read him saying "if" a disaster comes.

But more shocking to me is that his advice for them is "don't turn to God." Maybe he knows more about the situation than I do, but that advice doesn't strike me as Christian.

Am I not correct in remembering that even when the biblical prophets warn people that disaster is imminent, the point is: turn to the Lord?

mary
11-11-2005, 12:30 PM
The headline is misleading, but Pat Robertson is still a douche bag.

Smiles
11-11-2005, 01:55 PM
My mom used to work for Pat Robertson, as did a couple of her friends. Sure, he gets misrepresented by the media sometimes, and there's always someone "going after him". He's a smart man and sincere, but we all acknowledge he gets pretty excited and makes some pretty radical statements. I used to watch him on TV all the time. I'm not bagging on his him either - being radical is totally cool among most Christians in that part of the country (shows strong faith and dedication).

Drbio
11-11-2005, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by: Usually Lurkin
yeah. I read him saying "if" a disaster comes.

But more shocking to me is that his advice for them is "don't turn to God." Maybe he knows more about the situation than I do, but that advice doesn't strike me as Christian.

Am I not correct in remembering that even when the biblical prophets warn people that disaster is imminent, the point is: turn to the Lord?

The answer to your last question is....Absolutely.

Epitome22
11-13-2005, 08:03 PM
Pat Robertson is a moron.

MavKikiNYC
01-02-2007, 08:12 PM
So no details about where and when, not to mention how to prevent?

What a sorry _ -_-_-_-_-_. Rhymes with "huckster".
Pat Robertson says God told him about '07 terror attack

06:36 PM CST on Tuesday, January 2, 2007

Associated Press VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. – In what has become an annual tradition of prognostications, religious broadcaster Pat Robertson said Tuesday God has told him that a terrorist attack on the United States would result in "mass killing" late in 2007.

"I'm not necessarily saying it's going to be nuclear," he said during his news-and-talk television show The 700 Club on the Christian Broadcasting Network. "The Lord didn't say nuclear. But I do believe it will be something like that."

Robertson said God told him during a recent prayer retreat that major cities and possibly millions of people will be affected by the attack, which should take place sometime after September.

Robertson said God also told him that the U.S. only feigns friendship with Israel and that U.S. policies are pushing Israel toward "national suicide."

Robertson suggested in January 2006 that God punished then-Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon with a stroke for ceding Israeli-controlled land to the Palestinians.

The broadcaster predicted in January 2004 that President Bush would easily win re-election. Bush won 51 percent of the vote that fall, beating Democratic Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts.

In 2005, Robertson predicted that Bush would have victory after victory in his second term. He said Social Security reform proposals would be approved and Bush would nominate conservative judges to federal courts.

Lawmakers confirmed Bush's 2005 nominations of John Roberts and Samuel Alito to the Supreme Court. But the president's Social Security initiative was stalled.

"I have a relatively good track record," he said. "Sometimes I miss."

In May, Robertson said God told him that storms and possibly a tsunami were to crash into America's coastline in 2006. Even though the U.S. was not hit with a tsunami, Robertson on Tuesday cited last spring's heavy rains and flooding in New England as partly fulfilling the prediction.

Nemesis
01-02-2007, 08:24 PM
lol

FishForLunch
01-02-2007, 09:24 PM
Moral of the Story, NEVER TRUST A REV (Pat, Jesse, Sharpton and others...)

capitalcity
01-02-2007, 09:37 PM
Watch what you say asshats, Pat's my boy.

alexamenos
01-03-2007, 12:14 PM
"The Lord didn't say nuclear...."

... Robertson said God told him during a recent prayer retreat that major cities and possibly millions of people will be affected by the attack, which should take place sometime after September.

I really wish the Lord would be more specific about these things.

I nonetheless am quite pleased to note that the attacks will occur after September, and that thankfully we will be able to enjoy this year's NBA finals before then.

I'll plan on repenting mid-august or so.

"the Lord didn't say nuclear...." That'll make a nice sig.

cheers

jacktruth
01-03-2007, 12:34 PM
So, what happens if he is right?

Flacolaco
01-03-2007, 01:32 PM
So, what happens if he is right?

maybe we'll be lucky, and we wont really have to worry about it.

either way, Im emptying my savings account before then, and having lots of unprotected sex. He's got to be right.....

Drbio
01-03-2007, 01:38 PM
either way, Im emptying my savings account before then, and having lots of unprotected sex. He's got to be right.....

u2 and sike will not like this at all.

Smiles
01-03-2007, 03:56 PM
I used to think that Pat actually meant well, but I don't know anymore. Today it kind of hit me that he's so often wrong, yet he always makes money off of the false prophecies.

So, I'm gonna go ahead and live as if he's wrong and just "in it for the money".

He just another another example of Christians making a mockery of God. It's too bad.

MavKikiNYC
01-03-2007, 07:56 PM
I really wish the Lord would be more specific about these things.

I nonetheless am quite pleased to note that the attacks will occur after September, and that thankfully we will be able to enjoy this year's NBA finals before then.

I'll plan on repenting mid-august or so.

"the Lord didn't say nuclear...." That'll make a nice sig.

cheers

What I think this clearly means is that the Lord doesn't feel comfortable entrusting Pat with details.

alexamenos
01-04-2007, 09:23 AM
What I think this clearly means is that the Lord doesn't feel comfortable entrusting Pat with details.

maybe the Lord is just having a little fun at Pat's expense....you know, He's telling Pat just enough that Pat will make himself look crazy.

mcsluggo
01-04-2007, 10:02 AM
....

"the Lord didn't say nuclear...." That'll make a nice sig.

cheers

"the Lord didn't say nuclear....he said 'nukular' "

alexamenos
01-04-2007, 10:22 AM
if Jesus said nukular, then by gum it's nukular.

MavsX
01-04-2007, 01:10 PM
What I think this clearly means is that the Lord doesn't feel comfortable entrusting Pat with details.


hahahaha, niiiiiiice

Nemesis
01-04-2007, 02:54 PM
I used to think that Pat actually meant well, but I don't know anymore. Today it kind of hit me that he's so often wrong, yet he always makes money off of the false prophecies.

So, I'm gonna go ahead and live as if he's wrong and just "in it for the money".

He just another another example of Christians making a mockery of God. It's too bad.

The word and definition of Christian has nothing to do with Pat. Sorry if that breaks your heart.
Pat = $Money$ from dumb ass people that can't think for themselves.

Smiles
01-04-2007, 03:35 PM
The word and definition of Christian has nothing to do with Pat. Sorry if that breaks your heart.
Pat = $Money$ from dumb ass people that can't think for themselves.
Doesn't break my heart. I've learned to expect it.

He doesn't take a paycheck from the 700 Club or any of it's affiliates. The money he lives off of comes entirely from the books he sells. His prophecies always generate more book sales (especially when he writes books about those prophecies).

If he's right, then good for him - he got one right. If he's wrong, it won't be the first time.

Drbio
01-04-2007, 04:22 PM
if Jesus said nukular, then by gum it's nukular.

Now THAT'S signature material. ;)

kg_veteran
01-04-2007, 05:11 PM
Doesn't break my heart. I've learned to expect it.

He doesn't take a paycheck from the 700 Club or any of it's affiliates. The money he lives off of comes entirely from the books he sells. His prophecies always generate more book sales (especially when he writes books about those prophecies).

If he's right, then good for him - he got one right. If he's wrong, it won't be the first time.

This comment by Robertson really caught my attention:

"I have a relatively good track record," he said. "Sometimes I miss."

If his prophecies were truly coming from God, Pat wouldn't miss any of them. That's the real danger of holding yourself up to be a prophet. If you proclaim to speak for God, you'd better get it right. False prophets in the Bible were typically put to death.

If I were in Pat's shoes, I certainly wouldn't make light of the situation by saying, "I have a relatively good track record," as if he's some sort of palm reader or soothsayer.

dalmations202
01-04-2007, 05:16 PM
This comment by Robertson really caught my attention:

"I have a relatively good track record," he said. "Sometimes I miss."

If his prophecies were truly coming from God, Pat wouldn't miss any of them. That's the real danger of holding yourself up to be a prophet. If you proclaim to speak for God, you'd better get it right. False prophets in the Bible were typically put to death.

If I were in Pat's shoes, I certainly wouldn't make light of the situation by saying, "I have a relatively good track record," as if he's some sort of palm reader or soothsayer.
Bingo........if he were a true prophet, 100% accurate is the ONLY way.

Nemesis
01-04-2007, 05:30 PM
Whatever sells....I don't believe that was Peter and Paul's philosophy.

kg_veteran
01-04-2007, 06:31 PM
Whatever sells....I don't believe that was Peter and Paul's philosophy.

No, it wasn't.

Pirate
01-05-2007, 12:44 AM
If I make enough outrageous predictions, I'm bound to hit one here and there. Is that the new standard?

I am saddened by this sort of thing. A man claims he has the "word of prophecy" to be able to dispense wisdom from God, then starts spewing randomly hoping to hit on something as proof. God who knows the future never dispenses erroneous messages.

capitalcity
01-05-2007, 02:16 AM
All you doubt'n Thomas' are in for a shitty 07.