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mary
04-21-2006, 12:09 PM
I'm having trouble deciding who I should root for.

Please help me out here :)

Believe or not, I think the Lakers have a genuine shot of winning this one.

u2sarajevo
04-21-2006, 12:11 PM
I'm rooting for Phoenix. And not because I can't stand Kobe, but because I want an eventfull WCF.

jthig32
04-21-2006, 12:18 PM
I think the Lakers have a shot too.

BTW, love that pic U2.

Dortmund
04-21-2006, 12:24 PM
Lakers have NO SHOT! They have one scorer... and that is not enough against the Suns. 5 games at most.

chumdawg
04-21-2006, 12:35 PM
I'm rooting for Steve Nash and Raja Bell and the Suns.

TripleDipping
04-21-2006, 12:49 PM
I checked at the predictions at ESPN and most of the geniuses predicted a Lakers win. I think Kobe alone will give Suns' defense fits... coupled with Lamar Odom's occasional contribution, the Lakers may win 1 or 2 games. That's about it.

u2sarajevo
04-21-2006, 01:37 PM
BTW, love that pic U2.Thanks. I pilfered it though, just wanted that out of the way since I'm feeling guilty about not knowing who to thank for it.

WHEW! Got that out of the way.

dirno2000
04-21-2006, 02:34 PM
I'm looking forward to this series. it's always fun to see great scorers play against the Suns...Kobe could easily average 45.

The question is, how many minutes per game can he spend on Nash without getting worn down and hurting his offense? Probably not many but Phil has that ace in his pocket if it's close in the last five minutes.

EricaLubarsky
04-21-2006, 02:35 PM
Lakers, then Lakers then Lakers.

or should I say, not pnx, not pnx, not pnx

vjz
04-21-2006, 02:39 PM
Root for a wildly entertaining seven game series, with Game 7 going to triple-OT time...

dalmations202
04-21-2006, 03:19 PM
Rooting for the Lakers, but fairly certain that the Suns put them away fairly early.

MavsFanFinley
04-21-2006, 04:12 PM
I hope the Suns mop the floor with the Lakers.

nashtymavsfan13
04-21-2006, 04:32 PM
I want the Lakers to win, even though I hate them and absoulutley despise Kobe with a burning passion. I think the Suns have the best chance of beating us out of all the teams we would possibly play. It would be nice to have them be eliminated early, so we can focus on the Spurs and Pistons, two teams which I feel we matchup with better.

Hitman
04-21-2006, 04:36 PM
I am behind the Suns here, and quite honestly, I think they are going to run the Lakers out of the building.

Kobe is going to try and run with the Suns, and the Suns are going to drop 130 and dare the Lakers too top it.

nashtymavsfan13
04-21-2006, 04:43 PM
I am behind the Suns here, and quite honestly, I think they are going to run the Lakers out of the building.

Kobe is going to try and run with the Suns, and the Suns are going to drop 130 and dare the Lakers too top it.

Yeah, I fully expect the Suns to trounce the Fakers. Kobe will score a ton, but the Fakers will only win one game at the most.

I would like the Fakers to knock the Suns out of the playoffs though.:rolleyes:

DirkGoesNuclear
04-23-2006, 03:13 PM
I want the Lakers to win, even though I hate them and absoulutley despise Kobe with a burning passion. I think the Suns have the best chance of beating us out of all the teams we would possibly play. It would be nice to have them be eliminated early, so we can focus on the Spurs and Pistons, two teams which I feel we matchup with better.

Exactly. You don't mess with a team like Phoenix. You take them out the first chance you get. And Raja Bell is a cocky thug.

nashtymavsfan13
04-23-2006, 04:00 PM
Game 1 is pretty good so far, 64-55.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but C'mon Lakers!

DirkGoesNuclear
04-23-2006, 04:05 PM
Go get'em Kobe!!

rakesh.s
04-23-2006, 04:11 PM
Are you guys watching the same game that I am?

They are playing a half court walk it up game - totally NOT suns tempo....This is the genius of Phil Jackson.

If teh mavs meet the suns in the conference finals, they better be reviewing film from this game very closely.

nashtymavsfan13
04-23-2006, 04:20 PM
Tie game after 3, 75-75!!

nashtymavsfan13
04-23-2006, 04:21 PM
Maybe the Fakers do have a chance......

nashtymavsfan13
04-23-2006, 04:28 PM
Tim Thomas is shooting lights out right now, 7-7 with 18 points

nashtymavsfan13
04-23-2006, 04:29 PM
This must be discouraging for the suns, the Fakers are only down 2, and Kobe really hasn't done a whole lot.

nashtymavsfan13
04-23-2006, 04:30 PM
Odom is dominating the glass

nashtymavsfan13
04-23-2006, 04:38 PM
wow, can someone make a layup?!

nashtymavsfan13
04-23-2006, 04:41 PM
Now Kobe is trying to do everything himself. This is why I hate him, he either doesn't pass or doesn't shoot, his pass vs. shoot balance is terrible.

TheBlueVan
04-23-2006, 04:52 PM
this is the best game of tim thomas' career

TheBlueVan
04-23-2006, 04:53 PM
nash = clutch

AxdemxO
04-23-2006, 04:57 PM
Mann i started a thread a while ago bout gettin Thomas and like 99% said NO.
Well look at the guy...he is a beast....i kno he got a bad rep and all but still a beast.
My point is we should have gotten him and we wouldn even be payin him anything.
Dammmmm

nashtymavsfan13
04-23-2006, 05:01 PM
Well that's it, Fakers lose.

MFFL
04-23-2006, 05:03 PM
Mann i started a thread a while ago bout gettin Thomas and like 99% said NO.
Well look at the guy...he is a beast....i kno he got a bad rep and all but still a beast.
My point is we should have gotten him and we wouldn even be payin him anything.
Dammmmm

Thomas = KVH. Since Kitten was healthy at the point where Phoenix signed Thomas we didn't need him.

And I don't want Thomas any more than I want Charmin back.

nashtymavsfan13
04-23-2006, 05:06 PM
Odom had a hell of a game, 21 points 15 boards.

AxdemxO
04-23-2006, 05:11 PM
Thomas is much more physical than KVH...and probably has a lot more talent, athletism, and years left than KVH. He looks really big out there on the court....maybe hes on steroids....but anyway...whocares the Lakers lost...I m happy.

nashtymavsfan13
04-23-2006, 05:18 PM
Thomas is much more physical than KVH...and probably has a lot more talent, athletism, and years left than KVH. He looks really big out there on the court....maybe hes on steroids....but anyway...whocares the Lakers lost...I m happy.

I hate the Lakers, but I want the Suns out of the playoffs, which is better for the Mavs.

And, why would a basketball player take steroids, does it even help?

AxdemxO
04-23-2006, 05:19 PM
Idk i m just sayin it cuz he looks so big compared to the other players....he looks huge.
I want the Lakers out first...then the Suns can go

MFFL
04-23-2006, 05:40 PM
Idk i m just sayin it cuz he looks so big compared to the other players....he looks huge.

Both Kitten and Thomas are 6-10 and 240 pounds. KVH is 30 and has averaged 6.8 boards for his career. Thomas is 29 and has only averaged 4.0 boards for his career.

Thomas is Kitten-lite

Locked_Up_Tonight
04-23-2006, 06:02 PM
Thomas is Kitten-lite

Looks great but less filling?

dude1394
04-23-2006, 06:29 PM
Lakers won't sniff a win. And I really hate that because I want phoenix to get spanked.

mary
04-23-2006, 06:44 PM
Lakers won't sniff a win. And I really hate that because I want phoenix to get spanked.

A five point loss isn't a sniff?

dude1394
04-23-2006, 06:56 PM
A five point loss isn't a sniff?

Nope. :) I'm feeling ornery today!

nashtymavsfan13
04-23-2006, 07:04 PM
I think Kobe will go off for 45 one game, and the Lakers will get one win. Other than that though, Phoenix will dominate.

Drbio
04-23-2006, 08:17 PM
The rapist can suck it.

nashtymavsfan13
04-23-2006, 08:41 PM
The rapist can suck it.

My thinking exactly ;)

Stranger
04-24-2006, 12:32 AM
I'm actually rooting for the Lakers in this series, but ESPN's Kobe-worship makes me ill. ESPN.com is running a Marc Stein piece right now that says basically that after this loss, Kobe has the Suns right where he wants them. The Lakers were "willing to sacrifice this game" apparently. It seems Kobe is so great he gave up his own game to get his team-mates involved (despite his 7-21 shooting), so now the Lakers are primed for an upset. Hey, lets just give Kobe the trophy and finals MVP now. Wow, he willingly only scored 22 points on 21 shots in a loss to help his team? What a player!

http://proxy.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2006/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=2419091

Stranger
04-24-2006, 12:34 AM
I bet in game two Kobe will only score 15 points on 30 shots in a loss just to show Luke Walton and Kwame Brown the ropes. He's that good. He's not just a great player, he's a great teacher.

Dtownsfinest
04-24-2006, 03:10 AM
Lakers have got to feel like crap. They start the series off with everyone playing above their capablities while their superstar plays one of his worse performances. This game was very winnable for the Lakers. Not sure how many more chances they are going to get like this from the Suns. They could've easily stole a home game today.

digit
04-24-2006, 04:28 AM
The Lakers do have a decent chance in the series. I really liked the Lakers' game plan yesterday, too bad they went away from it in the 4th qrt. TT saved the game for Phx, for sure he won't shoot like that again.

The Lakers need to pound the ball inside every effin' time, make a move to the glass or find the open man out of the double team.

I'm with the Lake show here. This one needs to go to seven...

EricaLubarsky
04-24-2006, 11:30 AM
I was honestly hoping for the Lakers to win, but honestly I dont see any home team losing. The only reason I thought the Lakers might win was because of the Kobe/Laker mystique-- which is a bunch of hooey. Lakers are a crappy team full of spares, with terrible coaching and a star that just can't cut it.

Five-ofan
04-24-2006, 12:04 PM
can anyone imagine the shit dirk would take if the rest of his team played as well as they did in that game and he played as bad as kobe did?

chumdawg
04-26-2006, 07:53 PM
Anybody else looking forward to seeing the newest member of the multiple-MVP club play tonight?

I'm expecting quite a show.

MavsFanFinley
04-26-2006, 08:14 PM
I'm looking forward to the game. I'll be at work for part of it but I've discovered a tv in one of the little rooms in back that I might have to turn on.

Go Phoenix.

TVI
04-26-2006, 09:17 PM
can anyone imagine the shit dirk would take if the rest of his team played as well as they did in that game and he played as bad as kobe did?Yes. And if it cost his team the game, then he'd deserve it.

FINtastic
04-26-2006, 10:01 PM
Maybe the Lakers will steal one here. They have the early lead - only 3 points though.

FINtastic
04-26-2006, 10:24 PM
Kobe is playing like he is sore about not getting the MVP. He's well on his way to a triple double.

FINtastic
04-26-2006, 10:39 PM
Lakers with a 14 point lead late in the 2nd quarter.

dude1394
04-26-2006, 10:41 PM
Go lakers... I've become nash/bron-bron hata's. :)

chumdawg
04-26-2006, 11:00 PM
Oh, goodness! This one looks bleak for the Suns!

Unless Nash can single-handedly bring his team back from the brinks of oblivion, this series is getting ready to be tied 1-1. I can only relish in the fact that the extra game for the Suns will prove beneficial for our Mavericks, in terms of a potential WCF grudge match.

FINtastic
04-26-2006, 11:05 PM
Of course, you have to consider this a pretty bad start to Nash's MVP defense.

chumdawg
04-26-2006, 11:10 PM
It is, it is! But there is still a second half to be played, FIN. There is still a second half to be played. We all know that Nash doesn't bring it until money time.

FINtastic
04-26-2006, 11:12 PM
We all know that Nash doesn't bring it until money time.

True, he brought it all the way to Phoenix when it was money time. ;)

FINtastic
04-26-2006, 11:14 PM
Something about this game reminds me of the 50 point game Nash had against us last year.

MavsFanFinley
04-26-2006, 11:36 PM
You can feel the Suns run to take game 2.

FINtastic
04-26-2006, 11:45 PM
Well, the Suns managed to cut that 15 point lead in half during the 3rd quarter, but they have kind of stalled since then.

chumdawg
04-26-2006, 11:54 PM
True, he brought it all the way to Phoenix when it was money time. ;)Did.....he.....ever.

MavsFanFinley
04-26-2006, 11:59 PM
I'm not sure if the Suns are teasing me or not. They've cut it down to 5 with about 2 and half minutes left.

FINtastic
04-27-2006, 12:02 AM
Well, they certainly are making it interesting.

FINtastic
04-27-2006, 12:13 AM
Well, the Lakers are going to tie up the series. This is going to be a fun one to keep an eye on.

MFFL
04-27-2006, 12:17 AM
If the Lakers can take care of business in LA then the Suns will have a VERY difficult series.

chumdawg
04-27-2006, 12:17 AM
The reigning--and soon to be repeat--MVP takes a tumble tonight. Trust me, the Suns are flirting with disaster. I said before the beginning of the postseason that both the Spurs and the Suns, and even the Mavericks, were vulnerable to outside threats. The Mavericks have thus far weathered the storm better than either of the pretenders in the West, but they are themselves not without chinks. Once these series go to the road, we will see who is for real and who is pretending.

My predictions after four games:

SAS 2 SAC 2
DAL 3 MEM 1
PHX 2 LAL 2

It's going to be a hell of a war in the west this year.

MavsFanFinley
04-27-2006, 12:18 AM
Nash and Bell needed some offensive help out there and no one stepped up to the plate.

dirno2000
04-27-2006, 12:36 AM
I read something on a Lakers board that reeked of sour grapes but was interesting nonetheless. Did the league leak the MVP earlier than usual this year because they’re concerned that he may not make it to the 2nd round? I guess the answer depends on when they make the official announcement and schedule the ceremony.

chumdawg
04-27-2006, 12:40 AM
Are you suggesting that they inflated interest in a PHX-LAL series that wouldn't have had enough interest otherwise?

Maybe so, but it's the most interesting series--BY FAR--as it is.

dirno2000
04-27-2006, 12:43 AM
Are you suggesting that they inflated interest in a PHX-LAL series that wouldn't have had enough interest otherwise?

Maybe so, but it's the most interesting series--BY FAR--as it is.

No, I'm saying that it would be embarassing for the league if the MVP was finished playing before they could get to the pre-game award ceremony.

I don't know if I buy that but it made me think.

I doubt interst would be a problem either way...I can't remember a more compelling 2/7 series.

Nash13
04-27-2006, 01:26 AM
Watching game 2 of this serious made me realize that if the Lakers don't beat the Suns, the Clippers will. The main thing you have to do against the suns is make their frontcourt players really guard somebody which they get away with most of the time. Also, go through or under picks set for Nash and make a scorer out of him. The Clippers have those abilities. Either way, the suns aren't playing anybody in the WCF.

mary
04-27-2006, 10:42 AM
I'm not sure if this is working properly, since I'm on my crappy AOL dial-up at work.

But here ya go.

http://www.filelodge.com/files/hdd2/11452/kobe%20nash.gif

sixeightmkw
04-27-2006, 10:46 AM
I'm not sure if this is working properly, since I'm on my crappy AOL dial-up at work.

But here ya go.

http://www.filelodge.com/files/hdd2/11452/kobe%20nash.gif
theres is YOUR MVP!!!!!!
no not the one flying thorugh the air but the one on the ground about to get stepped on. good D Nashy.

Male30Dan
04-27-2006, 11:16 AM
I'm not sure if this is working properly, since I'm on my crappy AOL dial-up at work.

But here ya go.

http://www.filelodge.com/files/hdd2/11452/kobe%20nash.gif

Thank you Mary... I could not possibly see that enough!

madape
04-27-2006, 12:00 PM
Doug Collins called it a charge. Looks like a charge to me!

Male30Dan
04-27-2006, 12:05 PM
Doug Collins called it a charge. Looks like a charge to me!

Yeah... It was definitely close... I would probably call it a charge myself, but I still love the dunk on Nash! :)

Five-ofan
04-27-2006, 12:09 PM
He was moving when kobe jumped. Once the guy starts to jump if you arent set it cant be a charge. It was a close call though.

Male30Dan
04-27-2006, 12:11 PM
He was moving when kobe jumped. Once the guy starts to jump if you arent set it cant be a charge. It was a close call though.

The only moving I see is him falling backwards trying to avoid the contact of a super slam by Kobe!!! ;)

mary
04-27-2006, 12:14 PM
Nash was outside the circle, but Kobe left the ground before Nash ever took position.

Here's another pic. This will make a great poster.

http://images.sportsline.com/u/ap/photos/PNU113042701_1024x768.jpg

Male30Dan
04-27-2006, 12:18 PM
Nash was outside the circle, but Kobe left the ground before Nash ever took position.

Here's another pic. It looks like Nash is trying to avoid being...molested.

http://images.sportsline.com/u/ap/photos/PNU113042701_1024x768.jpg

It is too bad I can't give you any more rep!!! ;)

Five-ofan
04-27-2006, 12:21 PM
There is another pic on a different board that I cant post because of this crappy computer but nash's hand is clearly on kobe's ummmm little kobe.

sixeightmkw
04-27-2006, 12:23 PM
he's gettin face full of crotch.

u2sarajevo
04-27-2006, 12:25 PM
There is another pic on a different board that I cant post because of this crappy computer but nash's hand is clearly on kobe's ummmm little kobe.sike told me that you said that you know from first hand experience what you are calling his "little kobe" "wasn't little at all"..... not sure what that means....

Wait..... wrong thread......

mary
04-27-2006, 12:34 PM
Uncomfortable......

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1746/kobedeez4xx.jpg

Male30Dan
04-27-2006, 12:37 PM
Uncomfortable......

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1746/kobedeez4xx.jpg

Is anyone suprised???

I mean really:

http://www.nba.com/media/nash_gq_051202_02.jpg

Five-ofan
04-27-2006, 12:38 PM
Haha basically the same picture i was talking about.

Stranger
04-28-2006, 03:34 PM
I read something on a Lakers board that reeked of sour grapes but was interesting nonetheless. Did the league leak the MVP earlier than usual this year because they’re concerned that he may not make it to the 2nd round? I guess the answer depends on when they make the official announcement and schedule the ceremony.

I did a little research and found that if the Lakers upset the Suns, Nash would be the third MVP to lose in the first round. The first two were Wes Unseld and Moses Malone. Moses, Kareem, and Bob McAdoo all won MVP's in years that they didn't make the playoffs! However, more than half (27 out of 51) of all MVPs either advanced to the Finals or won the championship.

chumdawg
04-28-2006, 04:24 PM
Moses, Kareem, and Bob McAdoo all won MVP's in years that they didn't make the playoffs!So much for all the talk about the specific criteria laid down in stone by history, eh?

Stranger
04-28-2006, 04:58 PM
To follow up...

In the 49 seasons that they have been handing out the award (up to this season), the MVP has had the following playoff success:

20 have won the championship (Jordan X 4, Russell X 4, Bird X 2, Kareem X 2, Cousy, Shaq, Duncan, Magic, Moses, Wilt, Reed, Hakeem)

7 have lost in the finals (Iverson, Malone, Barkley, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Russell)

10 have lost in the conference finals (Chamberlain X 3, Pettit X 2, Kareem, Cowens, Robinson, Garnett, Nash)

8 have lost in the conference semis (Duncan, McAdoo, Malone, Magic, Jordan, Dr. J, Walton, Kareem)

3 have lost in the first round (Moses X 2, Unseld (only 3 rounds that year, no round of 8))

1 has missed the playoffs (Kareem)

Edited to make corrections.

a.weidner
04-28-2006, 05:59 PM
Moses, Kareem, and Bob McAdoo all won MVP's in years that they didn't make the playoffs!
So much for all the talk about the specific criteria laid down in stone by history, eh?

McAdoo lost in the conference finals the year he was MVP. Moses Malone lost in the first round twice, but always reached the playoffs. Only Kareem won an MVP while missing the playoffs. Just a quick lookup, so no guarantees.

Anyways, that is irrelevant, since back then the MVP was voted by the players, not the media. There probably wasn't much exchange of arguments between the players, so there were no "specific criteria", just personal preferences. Obviously the voting system had to be adjusted because it wasn't objective enough.

MavKikiNYC
04-28-2006, 06:36 PM
Only Kareem won an MVP while missing the playoffs. Just a quick lookup, so no guarantees.

That was Kareem's 1976 MVP, right?

Couple of thoughts about that:

Lakers did miss the playoffs that year, but at that time, only 10 teams made it to the post-season. It's somewhat more 'inclusive' now.

Also, at that point, Jabbar already had a league championship, was a 3-time NBA MVP award winner, had been named Rookie of the Year, Finals MVP, all-NBA First team for 4 consecutive years, 5-time All-Star, and 2-time NBA All Defensive Team.

He was established.

In the modern era of the NBA, and with the current dilution of talent, I'd think it would be very improbable that a player whose team failed to make the playoffs would bould be named MVP.

Stranger
04-28-2006, 07:40 PM
That was Kareem's 1976 MVP, right?

Couple of thoughts about that:

Lakers did miss the playoffs that year, but at that time, only 10 teams made it to the post-season. It's somewhat more 'inclusive' now.

Also, at that point, Jabbar already had a league championship, was a 3-time NBA MVP award winner, had been named Rookie of the Year, Finals MVP, all-NBA First team for 4 consecutive years, 5-time All-Star, and 2-time NBA All Defensive Team.

He was established.

In the modern era of the NBA, and with the current dilution of talent, I'd think it would be very improbable that a player whose team failed to make the playoffs would bould be named MVP.

Yeah, I actually think its a testament to Kareem to have won without making the playoffs--it takes a damn special player to make an exception like that. Sort of like Jerry West getting the finals MVP even when his team lost.

Stranger
04-28-2006, 07:46 PM
McAdoo lost in the conference finals the year he was MVP. Moses Malone lost in the first round twice, but always reached the playoffs. Only Kareem won an MVP while missing the playoffs. Just a quick lookup, so no guarantees.

Anyways, that is irrelevant, since back then the MVP was voted by the players, not the media. There probably wasn't much exchange of arguments between the players, so there were no "specific criteria", just personal preferences. Obviously the voting system had to be adjusted because it wasn't objective enough.

Thanks for the correction: I double-checked and you are right. I missed both Buffalo's and Houston's playoff appearances in those years.

chumdawg
04-28-2006, 09:30 PM
I hope I don't have to watch this game tonight instead of the beat-down the Kings are going to administer to the Spurs.

Drbio
04-28-2006, 09:44 PM
I hope I don't have to watch this game tonight instead of the beat-down the Kings are going to administer to the Spurs.
Word.

chumdawg
04-28-2006, 10:00 PM
Luckily the Deuce has the Kings game. I was fixin' to go WraithX on somebody.

raefformvp
04-28-2006, 10:02 PM
wow - things getting chippy early with Walton's hard foul. some good games going on tonight. holds me over for tomorrow's game!

chumdawg
04-28-2006, 10:06 PM
If you're staying with this one, Raef, please don't hesitate to give regular updates. I'll be watching the Kings put one more nail in the former champs' coffin.

By the way, early on, the Kings are kicking the crap out of the Spurs. Right now the Kings faithful are mad because some Spur just split Bonzi's upper lip. Doesn't bother me in the least, though!

DirkGoesNuclear
04-28-2006, 10:09 PM
Two great games, two teams to root against.

u2sarajevo
04-28-2006, 10:13 PM
If you're staying with this one, Raef, please don't hesitate to give regular updates. I'll be watching the Kings put one more nail in the former champs' coffin.

By the way, early on, the Kings are kicking the crap out of the Spurs. Right now the Kings faithful are mad because some Spur just split Bonzi's upper lip. Doesn't bother me in the least, though!Yeah, but no foul was called. I thought that was crap.

Drbio
04-28-2006, 10:20 PM
I guarantee you that there will be no suspension either. ;)

Drbio
04-28-2006, 10:23 PM
Long live Luke Walton!!! Nice foul on that puss Tim Thomas. I didn't see it earlier.

DirkGoesNuclear
04-28-2006, 10:25 PM
When did Tim Thomas turn into a deadly 3pt shooter?

u2sarajevo
04-28-2006, 10:25 PM
Long live Luke Walton!!! Nice foul on that puss Tim Thomas. I didn't see it earlier.That Luke Walton.... he's, um........ not a very attractive human being. I think he capitalizes on the timeout breaks so he can call back his momma and beg to be beaten again with the ugly stick.

chumdawg
04-28-2006, 10:29 PM
Who is #18 for the Lakers? That pass he made to Walton under the basket a few minutes ago was turr-bull. When a guy has managed to find a wide open spot under the basket, you need to whip it to him real fast. Luke had to pass it off, and then the other guy--who was it, Cook or something?--had to go and get blocked and lose his shoe.

Why is it that I don't know any Lakers player men? Is 18 Sasha Danilovic?

Drbio
04-28-2006, 11:53 PM
Ouch. Thomas might have just torn a knee ligament. That looked bad.

Drbio
04-28-2006, 11:54 PM
That Luke Walton.... he's, um........ not a very attractive human being. I think he capitalizes on the timeout breaks so he can call back his momma and beg to be beaten again with the ugly stick.
Cold....funny though. :p

Drbio
04-28-2006, 11:55 PM
Chum - it doesn't matter. It's four spares and the rapist.

Drbio
04-28-2006, 11:59 PM
How friggin stupid are Raja Bell and D'Antoni????

wow.

Actually...after seeing the replay, Raja probably got hosed there.

chumdawg
04-29-2006, 12:10 AM
The Suns are selling pussy here. I know it's good for the Mavs, but it is still pissing me off. The Mavs can beat the Suns. In fact, the Mavs OWE the Suns. I don't want Kobe's Fakers to win this series.

rakesh.s
04-29-2006, 12:14 AM
the mavs have a hard time with the suns because dirk acts like a pussy whenever nash goes to the bucket. He doesn't want to foul him hard because they're buddies.

The lakers don't give a damn...they're playing physical and pounding the ball inside which is the way the mavs should play.

MFFL
04-29-2006, 12:18 AM
OH HAPPY DAYS! The Spurs and the Suns both lose playoff games in the same night.

raefformvp
04-29-2006, 12:20 AM
If you're staying with this one, Raef, please don't hesitate to give regular updates. I'll be watching the Kings put one more nail in the former champs' coffin.

By the way, early on, the Kings are kicking the crap out of the Spurs. Right now the Kings faithful are mad because some Spur just split Bonzi's upper lip. Doesn't bother me in the least, though!

sorry for not giving some updates. after I posted that, I went and parked my butt on the sofa and switched back and forth between games. great, intense basketball tonight. wow, the lakers and suns HATE each other right now. pretty interesting stuff. as much as I can't stand Kobe, I thought he played great tonight and unselfishly (at least for him). I don't really know who I would rather see win this series. I just am enjoying seeing them beat each other up.

Thespiralgoeson
04-29-2006, 12:30 AM
I'm loving every minute of this series. I'm especially enjoying getting to watch Kwame finally come into his own.

Murphy3
04-29-2006, 12:34 AM
the mavs have a hard time with the suns because dirk acts like a pussy whenever nash goes to the bucket. He doesn't want to foul him hard because they're buddies.

The lakers don't give a damn...they're playing physical and pounding the ball inside which is the way the mavs should play.
Rakesh, don't be stupid..you're better than that.

chumdawg
04-29-2006, 12:42 AM
I'm loving every minute of this series. I'm especially enjoying getting to watch Kwame finally come into his own.Did you say "come into his own" or "push the opposing players to the floor"?

dirno2000
04-29-2006, 12:45 AM
I wouldn't go so far as to call Dirk a pussy but rakesh hit on something that's annoyed me for the past year. Dirk needs to give a hard (and by hard I mean borderline flagrant) foul on Nash if we face them in the playoffs. Like Magic slamming Isiah early in the first Lakers/Pistons series it would send a message to his teammates.

Plus the Suns appear to be less than effective in a series where emotions run high.

dirno2000
04-29-2006, 12:46 AM
Did you say "come into his own" or "push the opposing players to the floor"?

Diaw pulled his arm and sold it.

rakesh.s
04-29-2006, 12:46 AM
Rakesh, don't be stupid..you're better than that.

yeah, i know :) ...but you gotta admit that Phil Jackson is a freakin genius. He is pounding the ball into Odom and Brown and they are absolutely refusing to run with the suns.

WraithXx
04-29-2006, 12:46 AM
Luckily the Deuce has the Kings game. I was fixin' to go WraithX on somebody.

lmao... I love you for that

raefformvp
04-29-2006, 12:47 AM
That Luke Walton.... he's, um........ not a very attractive human being. I think he capitalizes on the timeout breaks so he can call back his momma and beg to be beaten again with the ugly stick.

Well, look at his dad. Apple/tree...also, have you ever seen Bill Walton's mother? Oh my. Poor woman. Looks just like Bill, except she's a woman. Ouch. In Luke's defense, he does have pretty eyes. :o

chumdawg
04-29-2006, 01:00 AM
I wouldn't go so far as to call Dirk a pussy but rakesh hit on something that's annoyed me for the past year. Dirk needs to give a hard (and by hard I mean borderline flagrant) foul on Nash if we face them in the playoffs. Like Magic slamming Isiah early in the first Lakers/Pistons series it would send a message to his teammates.

Plus the Suns appear to be less than effective in a series where emotions run high.Would you, however, approve of a mouth-to-cheek kiss in the pre-game handshakes?

jleefilled
04-29-2006, 01:01 AM
Would you, however, approve of a mouth-to-cheek kiss in the pre-game handshakes?

NO!!! : )

dirno2000
04-29-2006, 01:03 AM
Would you, however, approve of a mouth-to-cheek kiss in the pre-game handshakes?

No doubt, that was gay but the body slam made up for it.

chumdawg
04-29-2006, 01:06 AM
Well, look at his dad. Apple/tree...also, have you ever seen Bill Walton's mother? Oh my. Poor woman. Looks just like Bill, except she's a woman. Ouch. In Luke's defense, he does have pretty eyes. :oDUUUUNNNN, dun, dun, dunnnnn, DUN...dun, DUN, DUN, DUUUUUNNN, DUNNNNNN....dun, DUN...dun, DUN...dun, DUN

dirno2000
04-29-2006, 01:21 AM
If I didn't know better I'd say that Shawn Marion is on a mission to prove just how valuable he his. Replace Marion with an average SF/PF (about what he's playing like now) and the Suns are no better than a 45 win Lakers team.

I imagine the effect would be about the same if you replaced nash with and average to above PG...say Jason Terry.

chumdawg
04-29-2006, 01:24 AM
Brutal, juice. You can't seriously be suggesting that. Goes contrary to...like, everything.

dirno2000
04-29-2006, 01:29 AM
I've said it before...Marion is just as valuable as Nash. While Nash exploits the mismatches, Marion causes them.

You can't successfully run that small ball system if you don't have a 6'7 SF who can:
1) Rebound like a 4/5
2) Block shots like a 4/5
3) Guard the opossing 2-4 and sometimes 5
4) Rack up steals like a 1

You need Marion to be Marion (just like you need Nash to be Nash) for that system to work. I don't care what Nash does, if Marion doesn't pick it up they're going down.

chumdawg
04-29-2006, 01:40 AM
I give you the task of finding another Marion and finding another Nash. Which task do you finish first?

I realize we are in circular argument here, but I, I for one, think it is clear that Nash can do it without Shawn Marion in specific. We can look at Diaw, for example. What role did he play in Atlanta, versus his role now?

Or we can look at Nash's former teams. Did he have Marion on his Mavericks teams? Well, no, he didn't. Did he quarterback the best offesne in the league? Well, yes, he did.

All Nash needs is a willing a GM. Don't try to fit a square peg in a round hole. Don't give him a slow-footed center. Don't give him perimeter players who can't hit the side of a barn. Basically, if you can beat those two criteria, you are good.

You see Marion and you laud Marion. But if Marion left tomorrow, Diaw could do that. Or someone else they would get could do that. I mean, c'mon on. What did anyone think James Jones would do? Or Raja Bell?

Steve Nash is by FAR the most underrated player on these boards. Not in basketball, by those who should know, though. Among those guys, he was awarded Most Valuable twice.

So keep on with the Marion talk. Trust me, I've heard it many, many times before.

Nice player, Marion. A lot better player playing alongside Steve Nash.

dirno2000
04-29-2006, 01:54 AM
I realize we are in circular argument here, but I, I for one, think it is clear that Nash can do it without Shawn Marion in specific. We can look at Diaw, for example. What role did he play in Atlanta, versus his role now?

Wasn’t Marion an All-Star without Nash? Is it possible that Diaw in his 3rd year and in a system geared to his talents was going to make th leap anyway? I mentioned this before but Diaw as the 2nd best player (right behind dirk) at Eurobasket this summer…and he was on a team with Tony Parker. Be careful giving Nash all the credit for that kids development.

Or we can look at Nash's former teams. Did he have Marion on his Mavericks teams? Well, no, he didn't. Did he quarterback the best offesne in the league? Well, yes, he did.

Did the team get better when he left…well yes, it did. Did his best offensive team stall in the playoff and get knocked out by a weak Kings team…well yes they did. And don’t give me the collection of ill fitting parts argument. if you’re going to take credit for the regular season take credit for what came after that.

Edit: It's probably better if I say that our offense has remained very efficient without Nash. The teams overall improvement is due to a number if factors, and some (like rebounding) have nothing to do with the PG position.

You see Marion and you laud Marion. But if Marion left tomorrow, Diaw could do that. Or someone else they would get could do that. I mean, c'mon on. What did anyone think James Jones would do? Or Raja Bell?

Like hell he could. Marion is a physical freak. What have you seen from Diaw that leads you to believe that he could rebound and block shot like Marion? He’s good at what he does but he doesn’t have the athleticism to fill Marion's role. Few do as he’s one of, if not the, quickest leapers in the league.

Steve Nash is by FAR the most underrated player on these boards. Not in basketball, by those who should know, though. Among those guys, he was awarded Most Valuable twice.

Maybe, maybe not but you severely underrate Marion. He’s one of the more unique players in the league and he’s just as essential to what they do as Nash is.

Again, we’re seeing it in this series.

nashtymavsfan13
04-29-2006, 01:57 AM
Nice, both Lakers and Kings take care of bidness tonight!!!

chumdawg
04-29-2006, 02:19 AM
Wasn’t Marion an All-Star without Nash? Is it possible that Diaw in his 3rd year and in a system geared to his talents was going to make th leap anyway? I mentioned this before but Diaw as the 2nd best player (right behind dirk) at Eurobasket this summer…and he was on a team with Tony Parker. Be careful giving Nash all the credit for that kids development.Yeah, sure that's possible. But of course, if there was no Steve Nash, there would be no system. Personally, I think there are a lot of super-athletic guys in the NBA who don't get to let their talents show. That's really the main reason I love Nash: He's a guy who, if he's on your team, let's the rest of the team's athleticism show.

But I don't mean to dismiss Diaw, regardless. If you noticed, I was saying last postseason that the Suns did not get raped in that trade--and that once they acquired James Jones with the leftovers they were at least as well off.

Athleticism will always find a place in the pro leagues, if the coaches will allow it.

Did the team get better when he left…well yes, it did. Did his best offensive team stall in the playoff and get knocked out by a weak Kings team…well yes they did. And don’t give me the collection of ill fitting parts argument. if you’re going to take credit for the regular season take credit for what came after that.Oh, I'm about sick and tired of this simpleton's warped logic argument. Honestly, I've heard it so many times that by now it makes it makes me sick. And I expected you to see through it. It goes like this: Did the team get better by replacing Walker with Dampier? Yes, it did. A lot. Did the team get better by replacing Nash with Terry/Harris? No, it did not. It got worse. A lot. Did the sum of all the moves, the aforementioned and others, make the team better? Evidently it did, if you go by games won. But still note that it put them behind where the franchise was two years before.

Like hell he could. Marion is a physical freak. What have you seen from Diaw that leads you to believe that he could rebound and block shot like Marion? He’s good at what he does but he doesn’t have the athleticism to fill Marion's role. Few do as he’s one of, if not the, quickest leapers in the league.As you yourself said, Diaw is a young kid with tons of upside. Honestly, I I expect that Marion-level is underestimating him. But I'll be glad to concede this point if you like. It makes no difference. Marion is a Sun and is going to be a Sun for quite a while.

Maybe, maybe not but you severely underrate Marion. He’s one of the more unique players in the league and he’s just as essential to what they do as Nash is.

Again, we’re seeing it in this series.He's NOWHERE NEAR "just as essential" as Nash is, for the simple reason that he needs someone to get him the ball.

If you believe that, then you severely overestimate the quality of average point guard play in this league.

nashtymavsfan13
04-29-2006, 02:37 AM
Well said chumdawg. Nash deserves a lot of credit, but he didn't deserve the MVP award as much as Dirk.

dirno2000
04-29-2006, 02:45 AM
Yeah, sure that's possible. But of course, if there was no Steve Nash, there would be no system. Personally, I think there are a lot of super-athletic guys in the NBA who don't get to let their talents show. That's really the main reason I love Nash: He's a guy who, if he's on your team, let's the rest of the team's athleticism show.

Of course there are a lot of super athletic guys but with very few exceptions, they’re not as skilled as Marion.

I also don’t agree that the system doesn’t exist without Nash. Plenty of PG's could run that system. Not as well but they could do it. It's probably one of the easier systems to play in if you have the shooters.

Oh, I'm about sick and tired of this simpleton's warped logic argument. Honestly, I've heard it so many times that by now it makes it makes me sick. And I expected you to see through it. It goes like this: Did the team get better by replacing Walker with Dampier? Yes, it did. A lot. Did the team get better by replacing Nash with Terry/Harris? No, it did not. It got worse. A lot. Did the sum of all the moves, the aforementioned and others, make the team better? Evidently it did, if you go by games won. But still note that it put them behind where the franchise was two years before.

I edited my point because I knew how you were going to attack it.

The only thing that’s really germane to this conversation is how the offense performed because like I said, some of the factors that led to the teams improvement had nothing to do with the PG position.

The bottom line is this: we replaced Nash with a PG who could shoot just as well (debatable I know) and who couldn’t make plays. While we lost a little offensive efficiency we still remain in the top five. We were 2nd in the league in offensive efficiency this year. Maybe we weren’t fully utilizing his talents because our offense is just fine without Nash.

I have no idea where you get off saying that the team got a lot worse by replacing Nash with Terry/Harris. How do you even begin to back that up unless you think a lot more of Damp that you’ve let on.

As you yourself said, Diaw is a young kid with tons of upside. Honestly, I I expect that Marion-level is underestimating him. But I'll be glad to concede this point if you like. It makes no difference. Marion is a Sun and is going to be a Sun for quite a while.

His upside has more to do with his skills then the ability to rebound and block shots.

He's NOWHERE NEAR "just as essential" as Nash is, for the simple reason that he needs someone to get him the ball.

If you believe that, then you severely overestimate the quality of average point guard play n this league.

And Nash needs somebody to get the ball to. He ahlso benefits from somebody that can make the other team go small…Marion is a big part of that because he kills most 4's offensively.

But forget about the ball for a minute. If you’re going to play 6’9 Boris Diaw at center, you have to have someone to rebound, block shots and defend and you don’t want it to be Pat Burke. Marion allows them to play that offensive lineup with success because he’s doing things that are normally reserved for big slow guys. Nash is essential but so is the Matrix.

You underrate that guy.

Thespiralgoeson
04-29-2006, 06:23 AM
As usual, I agree with D2K. The bottom line is that Marion is the Suns' leading scorer, rebounder, and by a wide margin their best defender. If Nash is the "straw that stirs the drink" as Chum once put it, then Marion is the friggin drink.

Arne
04-29-2006, 07:29 AM
We can look at Diaw, for example. What role did he play in Atlanta, versus his role now?
The first game I saw him play without Nash at the end of the season, he had a triple double...

It's the system and himself that makes Diaw such a good player, not Nash.

jthig32
04-29-2006, 08:58 AM
So Chum, we lose a ton on the Nash Terry/Harris exchange according to you. We also lost a ton when Nelson walked out the door, according to you. And of course, while Damp has provided some improvement, certainly he's not making up for both of those detractions.

So where, I ask, are our wins coming from? How are we a better team now than then. And don't even try to bring in WCF and say we're still trying to get back there. This is unquestionably a better, more balanced team than that team.

orangedays
04-29-2006, 09:36 AM
If Nash is the "straw that stirs the drink" as Chum once put it, then Marion is the friggin drink.

I'm going to go ahead and stay out of this particular Nash argument; but my goodness spiral - poetic genius.

Murphy3
04-29-2006, 09:48 AM
Of course, it's easy to find a guy that can lead your team in scoring, rebounding, and be your best defender especially when the guy also shoots for a great percentage from everywhere on the court.

Mavdog
04-29-2006, 09:53 AM
this really hurts to say, but it's the truth...

phil jackson is doing a tremendous job with his team, and kobe is acting like a good teammate.

Murphy3
04-29-2006, 10:14 AM
He really is. If Kobe would have been less selfish the entire season, this Laker team would have looked alot more imposing going into the playoffs.

However, things worked out perfectly for them. They have the defenseless Suns in the first round with a chance to play Denver or the Clippers in the second round. If the Lakers win, when would be the last time that there was such a miserable second round matchup in the Western Conference?

endtroducing MASKED
04-29-2006, 10:26 AM
a Clippers-Lakers matchup in the second round would be great for the NBA. not good for the people who want good basketball, but good for ratings and angles for TV people to come up with.

Mavdog
04-29-2006, 11:06 AM
I must be in the minority with the view that the clips are a fairly good team.

brand is strong, has improved his mid range shot. cassell is, and has always been, a tough hard nosed pg with a swagger.

then there is the supporting group of mobley, maggette and kaman...all decent. livingston is going to be a good pg.

dunleavy has them playing good ball, and watching the clips taking down the lakers in rd 2 would be delicious.

Murphy3
04-29-2006, 11:31 AM
The Clippers are definitely a good team. However, it's a second round matchup in the Western Conference without a legit title contender. That's a bit rare, isn't it?

rabbitproof
04-29-2006, 02:05 PM
I don't know if that is fair. That is saying only Dallas and San Antonio are the legit contenders in the West - which can make sense as they are the only 60+. However, in that sense, it's kind of pointless to talk about a lack of legit contenders when they are only two who qualify. Personally, I would call Dallas and SA the best contenders but I would also disqualify the Clippers as being legit contenders, as a distant 3rd.

If LA can topple Phoenix and the Clippers, all without HCA, I think that also makes them a legit contender. It's not easy to bet against PhilJax in the playoffs.

nashtymavsfan13
04-30-2006, 01:47 AM
I really don't think the Lakers are a title contender. They will be really lucky to beat the Suns, even though I think they will. If they somehow manage to beat the Suns, the Mavs will kick their asses, so they aren't a legit title contender.

u2sarajevo
04-30-2006, 07:40 AM
I really don't think the Lakers are a title contender. They will be really lucky to beat the Suns, even though I think they will. If they somehow manage to beat the Suns, the Mavs will kick their asses, so they aren't a legit title contender.If they beat the Suns they will still have to get by the Clippers/Nugs before they could meet the Mavs or the Spurs/Sac. All this forgone conclusion talk is driving me nuts.

u2sarajevo
04-30-2006, 08:28 AM
Fearless prediction!!! - If the Lakers win today the NBA will announce the regular season MVP on Tuesday.

MavsFanFinley
04-30-2006, 12:19 PM
Phoenix, please get back on track. Dispose of this Laker team.

dude1394
04-30-2006, 12:27 PM
I really want to the suns to be exposed as the fun-run team they are.

Go lakers.

chumdawg
04-30-2006, 01:16 PM
Honestly, I don't think there's any way the Lakers win this series. The Suns will show their pedigree.

DirkGoesNuclear
04-30-2006, 01:19 PM
Shoot! Hubie Brown as game analyst. Biggest nut cradler.

Five-ofan
04-30-2006, 01:21 PM
This is the advantage of having the best coach in the history of the sport if not the best coach in the history of sports. I hate the guy but PJ is an incredible friggin coach.

dirno2000
04-30-2006, 01:40 PM
Honestly, I don't think there's any way the Lakers win this series. The Suns will show their pedigree.

You could be right about the Suns (we’ll see in a couple of hours) but I'm puzzled as to why you feel so strongly about the Suns yet continue to discount the Spurs. If we're talking pedigrees the Spurs are a pure breed and the Suns are a mutt.

orangedays
04-30-2006, 01:47 PM
If we're talking pedigrees the Spurs are a pure breed and the Suns are a mutt.

...and the Mavs are a Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder.

Murphy3
04-30-2006, 02:06 PM
I don't know if that is fair. That is saying only Dallas and San Antonio are the legit contenders in the West - which can make sense as they are the only 60+. However, in that sense, it's kind of pointless to talk about a lack of legit contenders when they are only two who qualify. Personally, I would call Dallas and SA the best contenders but I would also disqualify the Clippers as being legit contenders, as a distant 3rd.

If LA can topple Phoenix and the Clippers, all without HCA, I think that also makes them a legit contender. It's not easy to bet against PhilJax in the playoffs.
To make it sound more fair for you, I'll add this:

Unless God strikes down Dirk Nowitzki or Tim Duncan, the Mavs and Spurs are the only legit contenders.

Did I make it fair enough for you?

rabbitproof
04-30-2006, 02:22 PM
I am okay with that.

If you want to take it a step further, Dallas is the only legit contender from the West.

u2sarajevo
04-30-2006, 03:42 PM
So far that "pedigree" is showing they are an equal to the Lakers.

Dirkenstien
04-30-2006, 05:09 PM
I hate the Suns. Sick 'em Kobe.

Dirkenstien
04-30-2006, 05:12 PM
Wow, Smush connecting with the prayer. 88-90 Suns, with 7 seconds left. Suns will have to hit both free throws to close it out.

Dirkenstien
04-30-2006, 05:14 PM
Wow, Kobe with the steal and then the lay-up to tie the game and send it into overtime.

edit: Sorry, Smush makes the steal and Bryant gets the layup

Stranger
04-30-2006, 05:18 PM
Holy cow, what a shot by Kobe!

Smush with two really clutch plays.

NXperience
04-30-2006, 05:21 PM
Wow now I'm hoping that the Lakers win in overtime ... so that either the series goes to 7 for Phoenix or they just loose before =D

MavKikiNYC
04-30-2006, 05:36 PM
Wow.

Gonna be some really embarrassed voters after that performance by Nash.

Stranger
04-30-2006, 05:36 PM
What a finish! TWICE the MVP turns it over and the other MVP beats the buzzer!

NXperience
04-30-2006, 05:37 PM
HAHAHAHHAHA Nash with the turnover ^^

I still think Phoenix can win this series ... and they should but I'm glad it will go to 7 if that happens

DirkGoesNuclear
04-30-2006, 05:37 PM
Kobe just stuck a dagger in Phoenix's heart.

Male30Dan
04-30-2006, 05:37 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

rabbitproof
04-30-2006, 05:38 PM
I *ALMOST* feel sorry for NASH!!

Wow, may your bags of cash and two MVP trophies feel real good because your season is D-U-N.

Kobe, THE BASKETBALL PLAYER, is amazing. The Lakers team is taking this series!

Dirkenstien
04-30-2006, 05:38 PM
Idiots should have voted for Dirk.

Dirkenstien
04-30-2006, 05:39 PM
How did Kobe score the last basket?

DubOverdose
04-30-2006, 05:39 PM
PHX is DONE!

rabbitproof
04-30-2006, 05:40 PM
What a crazy fricking weekend of basketball finishes... ALL IN THE MAVS' FAVOR..

Kings vs Spurs.. Martin at the buzzer off the steal..
Mavs vs Grizz.. Dirk with the big 3 to tie and a strong OT to seal..
Lakers vs Suns.. off the jumpball, Kobe at the buzzer in OT to win..

I LOVE THE PLAYOFFS!!

Dtownsfinest
04-30-2006, 05:40 PM
This was easily the biggest screw job by the officials i've ever seen in in a playoff game. I'm not even Suns fan. I guess its homeecourt advantage or whatever but goodness this was the 2nd time Nash was fouled and the first time took the game into OT and the 2nd cost them the game.

Male30Dan
04-30-2006, 05:41 PM
How sweet it will be to see the Suns get knocked out of the playoffs... Some MVP...

WraithXx
04-30-2006, 05:41 PM
Kobe Bryant is just insane... what a freaking shot

he's so good.

MFFL
04-30-2006, 05:41 PM
That, my friends, is what an MVP looks like.

He wills his team to a win. Just like Dirk did yesterday.

DirkGoesNuclear
04-30-2006, 05:41 PM
How did Kobe score the last basket?

18 ft jumper

WraithXx
04-30-2006, 05:41 PM
Kobe Bryant is just insane... what a freaking shot

he's so good.

MFFL
04-30-2006, 05:42 PM
This was easily the biggest screw job by the officials i've ever seen in in a playoff game. I'm not even Suns fan. I guess its homeecourt advantage or whatever but goodness this was the 2nd time Nash was fouled and the first time took the game into OT and the 2nd cost them the game.

Sure, why don't we IGNORE the fact that Nash did a MAJOR pushoff in order to get that final inbounds.

Nash choked twice today.

Male30Dan
04-30-2006, 05:42 PM
I have been trying to tell all of you that in the other thread!!! Kobe is pretty damn special!

Stranger
04-30-2006, 05:42 PM
How did Kobe score the last basket?

Nash got tied up in the trap, which led to a jump ball against Walton... Lakers got it, passed to Kobe... who drove, stopped, and hit the 15-footer at the buzzer.

MavKikiNYC
04-30-2006, 05:42 PM
The intensity level of several of these first round games has been NCAA-tourney level---Chicago-Miami, NJ-Indiana, Phoenix-LA, even yesterday's Memphis-Dallas game.

endtroducing MASKED
04-30-2006, 05:43 PM
Kobe Bryant is the man. I cannot believe I just said that.

Dtownsfinest
04-30-2006, 05:43 PM
And props to Kobe. He just displayed why I think he's by far the best player in the league. You can hate him all you want but you can't deny that he's the most talented player to play this game since Jordan.

Male30Dan
04-30-2006, 05:44 PM
But Nah... He doesn't deserve any MVP consideration! :rolleyes:

Member
04-30-2006, 05:44 PM
It has really gotten to the point where in the last seconds I EXPECT kobe to make that shot, and he steps up yet again.

Gotta give credit where credit is due. He is one clutch player.

Dtownsfinest
04-30-2006, 05:45 PM
Sure, why don't we IGNORE the fact that Nash did a MAJOR pushoff in order to get that final inbounds.

Nash choked twice today.


Come on now. When is the last time a referee has called a pushoff to decide the game? They let travels and everything slide in closing minutes. I'm aware of that. But the refs gave the closing minutes to the Lakers. That was evident.

Stranger
04-30-2006, 05:46 PM
Kobe actually had a pretty mediocre game... 7 to's, 5 pf's... but he is so clutch its ridiculous.

MFFL
04-30-2006, 05:49 PM
Come on now. When is the last time a referee has called a pushoff to decide the game? They let travels and everything slide in closing minutes. I'm aware of that. But the refs gave the closing minutes to the Lakers. That was evident.

You can't have it both ways. A foul is a foul. If Nash commits a foul to get open then he shouldn't whine that he got fouled afterwards.

And the whiney bitch showed his true colors by running up the ramp after the game without showing any respect to the opponents who had just beaten his ass. First one up the ramp - probably crying the whole way.

nashtymavsfan13
04-30-2006, 05:49 PM
What clutch plays by Smush and Kobe!!!

I hate the Lakers, but it's better for the Mavs if they win. PHX is done!!!!

rakesh.s
04-30-2006, 05:49 PM
get ready for lakers vs clippers round 2...I expect a clipper beat-down. They actually have a real inside presence, a free throw machine (maggette) and a clutch go to guy in Cassell.

Phoenix had none of these.

Male30Dan
04-30-2006, 05:52 PM
TGID = THANK GOD FOR DIRK

???

orangedays
04-30-2006, 05:53 PM
???

Haha, I was wondering about this too.

raefformvp
04-30-2006, 05:54 PM
I feel so dirty. Rooting for the Lakers and ALMOST liking Kobe. This is most definitely new territory for me. Great game!

nashtymavsfan13
04-30-2006, 05:54 PM
???

lol typo :o

dude1394
04-30-2006, 05:54 PM
This was easily the biggest screw job by the officials i've ever seen in in a playoff game. I'm not even Suns fan. I guess its homeecourt advantage or whatever but goodness this was the 2nd time Nash was fouled and the first time took the game into OT and the 2nd cost them the game.

Did they let someone take 7 steps to get the last score? I didn't see it.

raefformvp
04-30-2006, 05:55 PM
Haha, I was wondering about this too.

as was I. :)

dude1394
04-30-2006, 05:55 PM
I have been trying to tell all of you that in the other thread!!! Kobe is pretty damn special!

I'm not sure anyone was saying he wasn't. Just that he shouldn't be the mvp.

DirkGoesNuclear
04-30-2006, 05:56 PM
now, why is d'antoni is such a great mood in the press conference?

rabbitproof
04-30-2006, 05:56 PM
Even before the end/OT, the Suns had several chances to put this game away. They got up by 7, by 8 multiple times and could not seal the deal. Nash alone missed several open jumpers. Don't let the refs, end of game TO or even Kobe's clutchness be the reason the Suns lost.

Suns choked.

nashtymavsfan13
04-30-2006, 05:57 PM
I feel so dirty. Rooting for the Lakers and ALMOST liking Kobe. This is most definitely new territory for me. Great game!

Yeah same here. That game was definetly entertaining.

dude1394
04-30-2006, 05:58 PM
Go kings!

raefformvp
04-30-2006, 05:59 PM
now, why is d'antoni is such a great mood in the press conference?

I was just about to post the exact same thing. Can you imagine Avery in that situation (player trying to call a time out but official misses it and leads to the opponent winning the game)? So weird.

Dtownsfinest
04-30-2006, 05:59 PM
You can't have it both ways. A foul is a foul. If Nash commits a foul to get open then he shouldn't whine that he got fouled afterwards.



Wait what lol? So if he fouls a guy that means he should just shut up and not say he was fouled? That's ridiculous. What are the refs even out there for if they just let guys get away with anything? Throw away your hate for Nash just for one second. What if this was JET or Dirk? You'd just say well JET fouled to get open in the first place so the refs aren't allowed to call a foul that could cost them the game? I'm not even speaking from a Suns perspective. I'm speaking as a fan of the game. The refs shouldn't swallow their whistle on a foul. Do it for a pushoff, charge or whatever but if there's a foul espeically a game changing one than it should be called. Walton was actually trying to intentionally foul Nash.


And the whiney bitch showed his true colors by running up the ramp after the game without showing any respect to the opponents who had just beaten his ass. First one up the ramp - probably crying the whole way.

Its not mandatory to shake your opponents hand after a loss lol. I don't recall a Spur shaking the hands of any of the Kings a day ago. And yesterday correct me if i'm wrong but I seem to remember Harris shaking the hand of Stackhouse and not any of the opponents on the court yesterday.

The hate for Nash runs deep on this board lol. I just can't hate a guy who brought so many good times to the Mavs. Same reason i'm still a Finley fan.

Stranger
04-30-2006, 05:59 PM
get ready for lakers vs clippers round 2...I expect a clipper beat-down. They actually have a real inside presence, a free throw machine (maggette) and a clutch go to guy in Cassell.

Phoenix had none of these.

But this is going to be a nightmare for the Clippers... because it totally kills their home court advantage. The crowd is going to be chanting KO-BE throughout all of their "home" games. Still, I agree that they should have the advantage talent-wise.

orangedays
04-30-2006, 06:02 PM
Wow...6 fast break points for the Suns.

Lakers are doing a job.

nashtymavsfan13
04-30-2006, 06:03 PM
The hate for Nash runs deep on this board lol. I just can't hate a guy who brought so many good times to the Mavs. Same reason i'm still a Finley fan.

Yeah, I can't figure this out either. I'm still like Nash a lot and I still like Finley. I want them to do well, but not their teams, or when they are playing the Mavs.

FINtastic
04-30-2006, 06:04 PM
Dtown you can't really be arguing that Smush parker fouled Nash on that sequence that sent it into overtime. That was as clean of a pick as you can possibly get.

The second you might have a better case, but in my opinion the refs did a good job by not calling it. At the same time, Nash should have never dribbled into that double team in the first place.

What this game came down to is that fact that one team's best player came up huge down the stretch, while the other team's best player did not.

mary
04-30-2006, 06:05 PM
Dtown you can't really be arguing that Smush parker fouled Nash on that sequence that sent it into overtime. That was as clean of a pick as you can possibly get.

The second you might have a better case, but in my opinion the refs did a good job by not calling it. At the same time, Nash should have never dribbled into that double team in the first place.

What this game came down to is that fact that one team's best player came up huge down the stretch, while the other team's best player did not.

Twice.

Dtownsfinest
04-30-2006, 06:08 PM
Did they let someone take 7 steps to get the last score? I didn't see it.


Not following what you are trying to imply dude.

vjz
04-30-2006, 06:09 PM
HAHAHAHHAHA Nash with the turnover ^^

I still think Phoenix can win this series ... and they should but I'm glad it will go to 7 if that happens

To be fair, Nash almost got raped on that last play before the jump ball... how was that not a foul? There were 3 guys slapping him around.

vjz
04-30-2006, 06:11 PM
I *ALMOST* feel sorry for NASH!!

Wow, may your bags of cash and two MVP trophies feel real good because your season is D-U-N.

Kobe, THE BASKETBALL PLAYER, is amazing. The Lakers team is taking this series!

Is it just me, or does Nash remind anyone else of Peyton Manning? All offense, great regular seasons, MVP trophies, but chokes in the playoffs.

Dtownsfinest
04-30-2006, 06:12 PM
Dtown you can't really be arguing that Smush parker fouled Nash on that sequence that sent it into overtime. That was as clean of a pick as you can possibly get.

The second you might have a better case, but in my opinion the refs did a good job by not calling it. At the same time, Nash should have never dribbled into that double team in the first place.

What this game came down to is that fact that one team's best player came up huge down the stretch, while the other team's best player did not.



Yea I just saw the replay. I take that back. That was a Nash goof up if anything. From my eyes looked like Parker got all ball. I take my statement about that play back. But I stand by the OT statement.

I'm not defending Nash's play. He goofed up twice. Both goof ups were damn near identical. The reason the OT one pissed me off is because it was a foul. It looked like Walton was intentionally fouling him. The refs swallowed the whistle. I'm not much of a complainer when it comes to the refs but that looked like they were giving the Lakers this W. That's not what I want to see from this league.

rabbitproof
04-30-2006, 06:12 PM
Similarly, I don't get how people can root for the advancement of teams who have eliminated the Mavs and of players who robbed a Dallas Maverick of his MVP while proving they, team and player, are OH SO NOT WORTHY.

Nash the Maverick, floor leader of the former Big Three, was great. However, there is a clear distinction from that Nash and the Phoenix Sun Nash, the Sun who steals MVPs and loses to underdogs. Could give a @#$% about the 2nd Nash.

Dtownsfinest
04-30-2006, 06:16 PM
Yeah, I can't figure this out either. I'm still like Nash a lot and I still like Finley. I want them to do well, but not their teams, or when they are playing the Mavs.


I look at it as fans venting their frustration that ex-Mavs are having success on other teams when they wish they would've had that same success on the Mavs. Either that or they're bandwaggon fans but I doubt that.

MFFL
04-30-2006, 06:16 PM
Wait what lol? So if he fouls a guy that means he should just shut up and not say he was fouled? That's ridiculous. What are the refs even out there for if they just let guys get away with anything? Throw away your hate for Nash just for one second. What if this was JET or Dirk? You'd just say well JET fouled to get open in the first place so the refs aren't allowed to call a foul that could cost them the game? I'm not even speaking from a Suns perspective. I'm speaking as a fan of the game. The refs shouldn't swallow their whistle on a foul. Do it for a pushoff, charge or whatever but if there's a foul espeically a game changing one than it should be called.

Sure. But don't tell me that Nash has any case for whining when he FOULED FIRST.

Walton was actually trying to intentionally foul Nash.

IMO Walton was NOT trying to intentionally foul Nash. The Lakers had trapped Nash and Walton was trying to steal the ball.

Its not mandatory to shake your opponents hand after a loss lol. I don't recall a Spur shaking the hands of any of the Kings a day ago. And yesterday correct me if i'm wrong but I seem to remember Harris shaking the hand of Stackhouse and not any of the opponents on the court yesterday.

But Stevie is a NICE GUY...

LOL

The hate for Nash runs deep on this board lol. I just can't hate a guy who brought so many good times to the Mavs. Same reason i'm still a Finley fan.

I'm a Finley fan too. Finley was loyal to the Mavs. But NASH CHOSE THE SUNS. The traitorous little prick can suck it.

Dtownsfinest
04-30-2006, 06:19 PM
Similarly, I don't get how people can root for the advancement of teams who have eliminated the Mavs and of players who robbed a Dallas Maverick of his MVP while proving they, team and player, are OH SO NOT WORTHY.

Nash the Maverick, floor leader of the former Big Three, was great. However, there is a clear distinction from that Nash and the Phoenix Sun Nash, the Sun who steals MVPs and loses to underdogs. Could give a @#$% about the 2nd Nash.


I can. I want to see the Mavs face the Suns and beat them. F the Lakers or the Clippers. I want to see the Mavs go head up with the Spurs and beat them and the next round I want to see the Mavs go up against the Suns and beat them. I believe in this Mavs team therefore I don't fear any team they face. I don't wish the Kings will win because I think the Mavs have a better chance of beating them than the Spurs. That's a cop out. I'm still a Nash and Finley fan so that also factors in to me wanting to see them have success and advance to the next round. When they face the hometown hero's that's when things change but while I like Kobe and Artest I could careless what they're teams do. You don't just quit liking a guy because he plays for a new city. If you can do that than you were never a fan of that player in the first place.

MFFL
04-30-2006, 06:20 PM
To be fair, Nash almost got raped on that last play before the jump ball... how was that not a foul? There were 3 guys slapping him around.

He did the worst thing a point guard can do. He picked up the ball. The Lakers then closed the trap and tried to slap the ball out. Walton came up from behind and tied up the ball.

orangedays
04-30-2006, 06:22 PM
I want them to do well, but not their teams, or when they are playing the Mavs.

I look at it as fans venting their frustration that ex-Mavs are having success on other teams when they wish they would've had that same success on the Mavs. Either that or they're bandwaggon fans but I doubt that.

This is the playoffs. If Nash (and Finley to a lesser extent) do well, then their teams WILL DO WELL. Don't be so short-sighted. If Nash plays well then the Suns will play well, and as they advance they will eventually play the Mavs. The reason why alot of people root against them now is because this is an elimination tournament - Mavs fans will want to maximize the probability of the Mavericks' success. That means, when presented with the choice of playing the Lakers/Suns or Kings/Spurs, we will choose the Lakers and Kings. I don't understand why you guys are surprised that Mavs fans are rooting against players who DON'T PLAY FOR THE MAVS.

Rhylan
04-30-2006, 06:24 PM
Is it just me, or does Nash remind anyone else of Peyton Manning? All offense, great regular seasons, MVP trophies, but chokes in the playoffs.

He had a great Game 3 and Game 5 against Utah in 2001.

He had a game at home against Portland in 2003 (Game 2?) where he hit that three from the top over Dale Davis in the last minute of the game.

And that's... about... it. At least in a Mavs uni. He got straight up schooled by Mini-me in 2002 and 2004.

orangedays
04-30-2006, 06:25 PM
I can. I want to see the Mavs face the Suns and beat them. F the Lakers or the Clippers. I want to see the Mavs go head up with the Spurs and beat them and the next round I want to see the Mavs go up against the Suns and beat them. I believe in this Mavs team therefore I don't fear any team they face. I don't wish the Kings will win because I think the Mavs have a better chance of beating them than the Spurs. That's a cop out. I'm still a Nash and Finley fan so that also factors in to me wanting to see them have success and advance to the next round. When they face the hometown hero's that's when things change but while I like Kobe and Artest I could careless what they're teams do. You don't just quit liking a guy because he plays for a new city. If you can do that than you were never a fan of that player in the first place.

And I don't hear you saying anything when people on this board rag on Kobe the rapist or Artest the headcase. What's so different about ragging on Nash or Finley?

Dtownsfinest
04-30-2006, 06:26 PM
Sure. But don't tell me that Nash has any case for whining when he FOULED FIRST.

Not going to beat a deadhorse but he has a case lol. The guy was fouled. That's a call the refs are suppose to make. The fact that the refs didn't call Nash's pushoff sort of justifies the fact they didn't call the foul on Nash but its not likely the refs call a pushoff anyway. A foul however is something that determines the game. And in this case it cost the Suns.

IMO Walton was NOT trying to intentionally foul Nash. The Lakers had trapped Nash and Walton was trying to steal the ball.


I'll have to see it again. I thought all 3 were intentionally fouling Nash. They were going for ball as well but they did so knowing they had to foul.


But Stevie is a NICE GUY...

Is that the perception Nash has around the league lol? To his credit he's been a good guy. Because had that been me I wouldn't have left that arena without kicking someones ass after what the refs just did to me lol.


I'm a Finley fan too. Finley was loyal to the Mavs. But NASH CHOSE THE SUNS. The traitorous little prick can suck it.

Fair enough. I can see why someone would dislike Nash for that reason. I think they had the Mavs gave Nash the money he demanded he would still be a Mav today.

rabbitproof
04-30-2006, 06:29 PM
I can. I want to see the Mavs face the Suns and beat them. F the Lakers or the Clippers. I want to see the Mavs go head up with the Spurs and beat them and the next round I want to see the Mavs go up against the Suns and beat them. I believe in this Mavs team therefore I don't fear any team they face. I don't wish the Kings will win because I think the Mavs have a better chance of beating them than the Spurs. That's a cop out. I'm still a Nash and Finley fan so that also factors in to me wanting to see them have success and advance to the next round. When they face the hometown hero's that's when things change but while I like Kobe and Artest I could careless what they're teams do. You don't just quit liking a guy because he plays for a new city. If you can do that than you were never a fan of that player in the first place.

Don't try to put words in my mouth. I have never said I don't want to face the Suns or the Spurs. I have no fear of the Suns or the Spurs. They are either old or ill-built. If they are really that good and worthy of fear, then waste the Lakers and Kings. I'll take my Mavs against anybody - Pistons, too. Revenge is always sweet.

However, my aspirations for Dallas is not revenge. It is a championship. I am not particular about where our opponents face failure. Be it at our hands, in a sweep or in a seven game series, as an 8th seed falling to the top seed or as a top seed submiting to an 8th seed. F'em. I don't care who puts them on the ground, where they end up on the ground and how they got on the ground as long as they are on the ground. I just want to be the last one standing. If in the process of this free for all, we personally eliminate our rivals - that's just icing.

Lastly, I was a fan of Nash. I no longer am because he is no Maverick. He is another non-Maverick NBA face playing on a non-Mavericks NBA team. When he retires, I'll see him as something in between. In the meantime, he's playing his ass off and it's not for us. So I don't root for him. I keep it simple.

edit: In the perfect world, I would've liked to play the Lakers, Suns, Spurs and Pistons to win the championship as I have something against all these teams.

Drbio
04-30-2006, 06:31 PM
Nash can suck it hard.

rabbitproof
04-30-2006, 06:48 PM
Just to add.. I think it's a copout to root for other teams and players in the guise of saying "I want them to lose to the Mavericks - nobody else."

What difference does it make if Nash loses in the 1st round or in the WCF?

Plus, there is the Darwinism factor. If indeed you are all about facing the strongest teams, why would you want to face a team that is down 1-3 to a 7th seeder?

dude1394
04-30-2006, 07:02 PM
Let me be quite clear. :)

At the end of the day when the mavs are holding the NBA Championship Trophy no one will remember who they played to get there, no one.

Just like in tennis, ncaa bball tourney, etc. You hope to get the easiest path to the championship.

Right now Nash/Mike play for two teams that are 1st and 3rd in the conference. I wish nothing but failure on them.

IF they get past the mavs then I might root for them, until then, I hope they are swept.

Thespiralgoeson
04-30-2006, 07:05 PM
The folks over at phxsuns.net are a very unhappy bunch. It's pretty funny to read their stuff. Apparently they all seem to think that because of the non-call at the end, the refs and the entire NBA are involved in some kind of anti-Suns conspiracy. Several of them even suggested boycotting NBA Basketball altogether. One reasonable poster tried to explain that the Suns have been badly outrebounded all season, can't seem to win close games, and that Odom has been taking Marion to school. He isn't very popular there anymore.

SaltwaterChaffy
04-30-2006, 07:27 PM
http://i3.tinypic.com/wlzziv.jpg

Dtownsfinest
04-30-2006, 07:30 PM
Just to add.. I think it's a copout to root for other teams and players in the guise of saying "I want them to lose to the Mavericks - nobody else."



How's that a cop out? If you're going to throw half ass comments out there than explain them.

What difference does it make if Nash loses in the 1st round or in the WCF?


As a Nash fan i'd rather see him advance to the Western Conference Finals than be dismissed in the first round. I'm a Nash fan. I'm not ashamed to admit it. As a fan of Nash why would I want to see him dismissed in the first round? I understand that fans are frustrated with Nash because of his decision he made 2 offseasons ago. But it doesn't make you any less of a Mavs fan if you root for a team other than the Mavs. I'm riding with the Mavs to win the championship. So if the Mavs face the Spurs I wish Finley the best but as far as the Spurs go I can care less. Same goes for the Suns.

Plus, there is the Darwinism factor. If indeed you are all about facing the strongest teams, why would you want to face a team that is down 1-3 to a 7th seeder?

I want the Mavs to face the best competition available. I think that's the Suns in this case. The series is over when a team wins 4 games. Not 4. If the Lakers win it than i'm convinced they're the better team.



This is the playoffs. If Nash (and Finley to a lesser extent) do well, then their teams WILL DO WELL. Don't be so short-sighted. If Nash plays well then the Suns will play well, and as they advance they will eventually play the Mavs. The reason why alot of people root against them now is because this is an elimination tournament - Mavs fans will want to maximize the probability of the Mavericks' success. That means, when presented with the choice of playing the Lakers/Suns or Kings/Spurs, we will choose the Lakers and Kings. I don't understand why you guys are surprised that Mavs fans are rooting against players who DON'T PLAY FOR THE MAVS.

You root for whoever you want. I'm not knocking that. And I thought Finley played well last game and what happened? The Spurs lost. Wishing that Fin and Nash play well doesn't result in a win for their teams. This is a team game. Spurs lost even with Finley and Duncan playing their best game in the series. I want to see Finley advance so i'm hoping for a Spurs and Mavs series. I'm hoping the Pistons come out the East since the NBA feels they're the team to beat. I have faith that the Mavs can beat anyone in this league. Therefore there's really no one I fear so I don't mind rooting for Finley and Nash to have good games. It doesn't make me any less of a Mavs fan.




And I don't hear you saying anything when people on this board rag on Kobe the rapist or Artest the headcase. QUOTE]


When there was discussion of the Mavs possibly having interest in Artest and people threw out he could destroy this team's chemistry i'm one of the few that came to his defense and felt he should be pursued by the Mavs.

Posted 12-13-05 at 12:17 PM:


"Do you know Artest personally or is this just pure assumption on your part?"
"The reason I ask is because I never hear bad things about Artest from the Pacers. It seems the only thing they have a problem with are his on court tactics. AJ CAN handle Artest. I know he can. If one man can disrupt a team's chemistry then the chemistry wasn't there to begin with."

And on the Kobe issue:

4-28-06 3:03 AM

"It seems a lot of people were in Colorado that night when Kobe raped the supposed victim. I've yet to hear or see anything that proved that Kobe did or didn't rape her. Especially hearing his comments about how Shaq use to committ adultery and pay his girls off."

So yea I come to the defense of both Artest and Kobe.

[QUOTE]What's so different about ragging on Nash or Finley?

The difference? Kobe and Artest have never been Mavs. Have never sacrificed a goh damn thing for this franchise. That's the difference. I'm not knocking anyone who isn't a fan of them. I understand why to an extent. But going out the way to bash them is what I don't understand. But I could careless about how fans feel about a certain player. Though I come to their defense I know I have no chance on changing someone's opinion of a player over a message board.

Male30Dan
04-30-2006, 07:42 PM
http://i3.tinypic.com/wlzziv.jpg
This should be up for post of the year!

orangedays
04-30-2006, 07:56 PM
You root for whoever you want. I'm not knocking that. And I thought Finley played well last game and what happened? The Spurs lost. Wishing that Fin and Nash play well doesn't result in a win for their teams. This is a team game. Spurs lost even with Finley and Duncan playing their best game in the series. I want to see Finley advance so i'm hoping for a Spurs and Mavs series. I'm hoping the Pistons come out the East since the NBA feels they're the team to beat. I have faith that the Mavs can beat anyone in this league. Therefore there's really no one I fear so I don't mind rooting for Finley and Nash to have good games. It doesn't make me any less of a Mavs fan.

You're not knocking that??? Are you serious? Do you realize that you 'knocking' people's criticisms of Nash and Finley is the reason why this conversation started?

And your example is a very bad one - how is it at all reasonable to think that if Finley continues to have good games that the Spurs won't advance? If Finley has a good game, the Spurs will probably win that game. I'm not going to bother looking up the stats for when Fin has >20 pts a game but I'll tell you right now I'm right. And nice job using Finley in this example instead of Nash as Finley plays a smaller role on the Spurs. Bravo. Do you really think rooting for Nash to have a good game doesn't go hand-in-hand with wanting the Suns to have a good game?? Please. I doubt you are so short-sighted to actually believe that Nash will have a good game but the Suns will lose.

When there was discussion of the Mavs possibly having interest in Artest and people threw out he could destroy this team's chemistry i'm one of the few that came to his defense and felt he should be pursued by the Mavs.

I stand corrected, you are just an all-around nice guy. Nash, Finley, Kobe and Artest are very lucky to have such a faithful advocate on the Dallas-Mavs.com board.

The difference? Kobe and Artest have never been Mavs. Have never sacrificed a goh damn thing for this franchise. That's the difference. I'm not knocking anyone who isn't a fan of them. I understand why to an extent. But going out the way to bash them is what I don't understand. But I could careless about how fans feel about a certain player. Though I come to their defense I know I have no chance on changing someone's opinion of a player over a message board.

Okay. Let's get one thing straight. What do you think is on Nash's mind every time he plays the Mavericks? Do you think he's wondering what his name would look like in the rafters? Do you think, that when he was bitch-slapping us out of the playoffs last year that he felt any remorse? No. He did not. Steve Nash is a good guy - off the court I have nothing against him. The same applies for Michael Finley. I especially like the fact that these guys are HUGE in their respective communities.

BUT

Steve Nash is a Phoenix Sun.
Michael Finley is a San Antonio Spur.

The Dallas Mavericks are Good Guys.

EVERYONE ELSE is a BAD GUY.

This is the PLAYOFFS. Not the regular season. Every game counts.

a.weidner
04-30-2006, 08:14 PM
Funny how the Phoenix fans are blaming Marion for all their problems. Shouldn't they instead complain about Nash not making Marion good enough?

chumdawg
04-30-2006, 08:39 PM
Settle down, folks. The Suns will still win this series. Settle down.

And you guys who are the pimping the Photoshop job, you're coming across like the fat bitch who squeals with delight when the guy who dumped you gets dumped himself by the chic he left you for. You can revel in the troubles of others all you like, but it won't disguise your own troubles at all.

rabbitproof
04-30-2006, 09:11 PM
How's that a cop out? If you're going to throw half ass comments out there than explain them.

No less of a copout then assuming people root against Nash or Finley just because they are ex-Mavs when the fact they are non-Mavericks is probably the main reason.

There is a difference.



As a Nash fan i'd rather see him advance to the Western Conference Finals than be dismissed in the first round. I'm a Nash fan. I'm not ashamed to admit it. As a fan of Nash why would I want to see him dismissed in the first round? I understand that fans are frustrated with Nash because of his decision he made 2 offseasons ago. But it doesn't make you any less of a Mavs fan if you root for a team other than the Mavs. I'm riding with the Mavs to win the championship. So if the Mavs face the Spurs I wish Finley the best but as far as the Spurs go I can care less. Same goes for the Suns.



I have not derided anybody as a Mavs fan. I imagine our allegience to the Mavs is the same whereas we differ upon non-Mavericks.

Regarding first round vs WCF, I don't see a big deal of a difference. Obviously, you want your team/player to advance as far as possible but at the end of the day, you will be hoping for a Nash ousting.... right? I don't know. To me, hoping for Nash's failure, however eventual, whether its 1st round or WCF, really is the same thing. However, I can understand if you feel there is a difference. (I'm very bottom-line based.)



I want the Mavs to face the best competition available. I think that's the Suns in this case. The series is over when a team wins 4 games. Not 4. If the Lakers win it than i'm convinced they're the better team.



Not sure how you reckon the Suns are the better competition today when they're down 1-3 but at the moment, the Lakers look the better team. However, as you say, the series is not over. We will see over the next week who is worthy of advancement.

Dtownsfinest
04-30-2006, 09:52 PM
And your example is a very bad one - how is it at all reasonable to think that if Finley continues to have good games that the Spurs won't advance? If Finley has a good game, the Spurs will probably win that game. I'm not going to bother looking up the stats for when Fin has >20 pts a game but I'll tell you right now I'm right. And nice job using Finley in this example instead of Nash as Finley plays a smaller role on the Spurs. Bravo. Do you really think rooting for Nash to have a good game doesn't go hand-in-hand with wanting the Suns to have a good game?? Please. I doubt you are so short-sighted to actually believe that Nash will have a good game but the Suns will lose.

I brought up Finley because i've watched all the Spurs games. Due to my schedule I can't watch any Suns games except the one today so in all honesty i'm not sure how he's performed this round. And remember you are the one who said if Finley has a good game the Spurs win. Not me. But Finley I can account for because i've watched all his games to see how well he does. We can agree on 1 thing. If Fin puts up 20 than i'm sure the Spurs do win lol. If Diop puts up 20 I bet the Mavs win too. Not sure where you were going with that since Fin hasn't scored 20 yet this round. Looking at Nash's boxscore today would 20 and 11 result into a good game for you? With only 2 turnovers?

I stand corrected, you are just an all-around nice guy. Nash, Finley, Kobe and Artest are very lucky to have such a faithful advocate on the Dallas-Mavs.com board.

Not about being a nice guy. I'm just a fan of the NBA. Because i'm from Dallas and i'm a Mavs fan i'm not allowed to root for other players for other teams?



Steve Nash is a Phoenix Sun.
Michael Finley is a San Antonio Spur.

The Dallas Mavericks are Good Guys.

EVERYONE ELSE is a BAD GUY.

This is the PLAYOFFS. Not the regular season. Every game counts.

That's fine. Like I said above, i'm not knocking your opinion of these guys. I just can't believe these guys are hated worse than the Sheed's and Kobe's in this league. But everyone has their own opinion and as a fellow Mavs fan I can respect it.


Not sure how you reckon the Suns are the better competition today when they're down 1-3 but at the moment, the Lakers look the better team. However, as you say, the series is not over. We will see over the next week who is worthy of advancement.

Like I said, I do feel whoever wins this series is the best team. In a series barring injury the best team usually wins. If the Suns lose than the Lakers are the better team. But i'm not ready to say the Suns will lose this series yet. Winning 3 in a row is not out of the question for the Suns.

nashtymavsfan13
04-30-2006, 10:01 PM
This is the playoffs. If Nash (and Finley to a lesser extent) do well, then their teams WILL DO WELL. Don't be so short-sighted. If Nash plays well then the Suns will play well, and as they advance they will eventually play the Mavs. The reason why alot of people root against them now is because this is an elimination tournament - Mavs fans will want to maximize the probability of the Mavericks' success. That means, when presented with the choice of playing the Lakers/Suns or Kings/Spurs, we will choose the Lakers and Kings. I don't understand why you guys are surprised that Mavs fans are rooting against players who DON'T PLAY FOR THE MAVS.

Yes it's the playoffs, thats why I'm rooting for the Lakers and Kings, two of the teams I hate most in the whole league. I want Nash and Finley to do well in the regular season, not the playoffs, and I should have made that clear. But just because Nash and finley have a good game doesnt mean their team will win. Nash played great the first half of today's game, and the Lakers were still tied with them.

nashtymavsfan13
04-30-2006, 10:05 PM
BUT

Steve Nash is a Phoenix Sun.
Michael Finley is a San Antonio Spur.

The Dallas Mavericks are Good Guys.

EVERYONE ELSE is a BAD GUY.

This is the PLAYOFFS. Not the regular season. Every game counts.

I want their teams to lose, and in the playoffs, them to do bad when it helps the Mavs.

But I just don't see how, after Nash and Finley helped turn this franchise into a winning ballclub you hate them.

The way I see it, is that they were good players on the Mavs, so I continue to like them.

orangedays
04-30-2006, 10:07 PM
I brought up Finley because i've watched all the Spurs games. Due to my schedule I can't watch any Suns games except the one today so in all honesty i'm not sure how he's performed this round. And remember you are the one who said if Finley has a good game the Spurs win. Not me. But Finley I can account for because i've watched all his games to see how well he does. We can agree on 1 thing. If Fin puts up 20 than i'm sure the Spurs do win lol. If Diop puts up 20 I bet the Mavs win too. Not sure where you were going with that since Fin hasn't scored 20 yet this round. Looking at Nash's boxscore today would 20 and 11 result into a good game for you? With only 2 turnovers?

Perhaps those of us who are less short-sighted are referring to a larger sample size? The regular season and not just the playoffs? And my statement was not as simple as, "if Finley has a good game the Spurs win". It was that a corollary exists between Nash (and to a lesser extent, Finley) having a good game and the Suns/Spurs having a good game. Check out my previous posts if you need a reference.

And no, Steve Nash did not have a good game today. 9/22 from the field is awful for him. And need we discuss when those 2 TO came? No, I didn't think so.

Not about being a nice guy. I'm just a fan of the NBA. Because i'm from Dallas and i'm a Mavs fan i'm not allowed to root for other players for other teams?

I see that sarcasm is lost on you.

Nobody said you're not allowed to root. Just don't get in our faces about it when we don't root. This is a what? A Mavericks board. I don't understand how you're surprised when people root for the Mavericks. Golly.

That's fine. Like I said above, i'm not knocking your opinion of these guys. I just can't believe these guys are hated worse than the Sheed's and Kobe's in this league. But everyone has their own opinion and as a fellow Mavs fan I can respect it.

They're not. I'm pretty sure that given a choice between Rasheed Wallace, Kobe Bryant, and Steve Nash - most of us would choose Nash to be our drinking buddy. And if you want to demonstrate that you respect it, don't criticize it. That's not showing respect.

Like I said, I do feel whoever wins this series is the best team. In a series barring injury the best team usually wins. If the Suns lose than the Lakers are the better team. But i'm not ready to say the Suns will lose this series yet. Winning 3 in a row is not out of the question for the Suns.

No it's not. But it would be fair to say that the Lakers have been the better team in this series, thus far. I would say that 3-1 is pretty good evidence to that fact. Anything can happen from here on out - but if you're serious about wanting the Mavericks to play the best possible team - right now? Between the Lakers and the Suns, you would choose the Lakers. They are on top of the mountain until Phoenix proves otherwise.

orangedays
04-30-2006, 10:08 PM
I want their teams to lose, and in the playoffs, them to do bad when it helps the Mavs.

But I just don't see how, after Nash and Finley helped turn this franchise into a winning ballclub you hate them.

The way I see it, is that they were good players on the Mavs, so I continue to like them.

Nope, don't hate them. Just don't want them to win in the playoffs.

nashtymavsfan13
04-30-2006, 10:27 PM
Nope, don't hate them. Just don't want them to win in the playoffs.

ok fair enough, and I feel the same way. I still really like Nash a lot, he's probably my favorite player, behind Dirk.

Dtownsfinest
04-30-2006, 10:35 PM
Perhaps those of us who are less short-sighted are referring to a larger sample size? The regular season and not just the playoffs? And my statement was not as simple as, "if Finley has a good game the Spurs win". It was that a corollary exists between Nash (and to a lesser extent, Finley) having a good game and the Suns/Spurs having a good game. Check out my previous posts if you need a reference.


My fault. I thought we were talking about the bigger picture here. I didn't think we were factoring in regular season.

And no, Steve Nash did not have a good game today. 9/22 from the field is awful for him. And need we discuss when those 2 TO came? No, I didn't think so.

So he had a bad game today? I wish we could get that type of bad production from our 1 spot.

Nobody said you're not allowed to root. Just don't get in our faces about it when we don't root. This is a what? A Mavericks board. I don't understand how you're surprised when people root for the Mavericks. Golly.

Wait, wait a minute. Let's get something straight. Either you missed something I said or you're just putting words in my mouth but I never criticized Mavs fans for rooting for fellow Mavs lol. What I said was i'm shocked that Mavs fans have so much hate towards EX-MAVS players. Of course we're suppose to root for the Mavs(except Stackhouse:D ). And I wouldn't say I got in anyone's face. I just made a comment about it.


And if you want to demonstrate that you respect it, don't criticize it. That's not showing respect.

So criticizing or questioning someone's opinion is disrespecting someone's opinion? Well its settled. Close down D-M.com because this is what forums are all about. I respect every fellow Mav fans opinion. That doesn't mean I have to agree with it however.

No it's not. But it would be fair to say that the Lakers have been the better team in this series, thus far. I would say that 3-1 is pretty good evidence to that fact. Anything can happen from here on out - but if you're serious about wanting the Mavericks to play the best possible team - right now? Between the Lakers and the Suns, you would choose the Lakers. They are on top of the mountain until Phoenix proves otherwise.


I'm not disagreeing. What i'm saying whoever wins this series is the best team. If the Lakers lose this series 3-4 than the Suns are the better team. Simple as that. If Lakers win the series they are the better team. No need to argue for the sake of arguing.

MFFL
04-30-2006, 10:39 PM
Just watched the play again in super slow motion (1/15th speed). Nash crosses midcourt by 6 feet or so and stops just in front of a waiting Odom. Nash has killed his dribble so Walton runs up behind and traps Nash. Nash turns away from Odom and twists his arms past Walton looking for the back outlet but Diaw has screwed up and wasn't there. So Nash pulls his arms in and twists his body in an attempt to split the double team in the other direction. But when Nash was trying this, the ball was right in front of Walton. Walton grabbed the ball and forced the jump. Clean play.

Neither Laker player did anything other than reach for the ball. Two refs were intently watching the action.

orangedays
04-30-2006, 10:46 PM
So he had a bad game today? I wish we could get that type of bad production from our 1 spot.

He, arguably, lost the game for the Suns today. And yeah, I wouldn't mind having an MVP as our PG either. But the last guy we had is a Sun now.

Wait, wait a minute. Let's get something straight. Either you missed something I said or you're just putting words in my mouth but I never criticized Mavs fans for rooting for fellow Mavs lol. What I said was i'm shocked that Mavs fans have so much hate towards EX-MAVS players. Of course we're suppose to root for the Mavs(except Stackhouse:D ). And I wouldn't say I got in anyone's face. I just made a comment about it.

No no, allow me to include an addendum:

"Nobody said you're not allowed to root. Just don't get in our faces about it when we don't root for non-Mavs players. This is a what? A Mavericks board. I don't understand how you're surprised when people root for the Mavericks and against non-Mavs players. Golly."


So criticizing or questioning someone's opinion is disrespecting someone's opinion? Well its settled. Close down D-M.com because this is what forums are all about. I respect every fellow Mav fans opinion. That doesn't mean I have to agree with it however.

No, there's nothing wrong with healthy, open debate. Your original statement was about how it was silly that the people on this board criticize Nash and Finley. I said that there's nothing wrong with that. Then you said, why can't you just respect my opinion? Isn't that an attempt on your part to stifle my ability to question your opinion?


I'm not disagreeing. What i'm saying whoever wins this series is the best team. If the Lakers lose this series 3-4 than the Suns are the better team. Simple as that. If Lakers win the series they are the better team. No need to argue for the sake of arguing.

I understand what you're saying and I think that everyone will agree with that point. I'm not being argumentative - all I am saying is that, as things stand this minute - the Lakers have proven that they are the superior in the series by being up 3 games to 1. So if we are to use your criteria (of wanting the Mavs to beat the superior team) then we would want the Mavs to play the Lakers.

dude1394
04-30-2006, 11:03 PM
I don't hate ex-mavs... I just want the ones who are playing on our rivals to fail.

I still like Antoine Walker for goodness sakes. Pretty glad he's no longer a mav, but I still like him.

But with Little Stevie/Fin being on our chief rivals I cannot do anything other than heap scorn and wish them to get trounced in the playoffs.

Little Stevie unfortunately is also getting my MVP-ire as well this year.

Murphy3
04-30-2006, 11:14 PM
I never liked Antoine Walker... I never liked Nick Van Exel...I never liked Jerry Stackhouse...

I suppose you can see that I don't like:

1. inefficient offensive players that don't offer anything defensively.
2. Players with attitude that more often than not do not back it up
3. players that shoot the three that don't shoot it very well.

But, NVE had one hell of a playoff run...I will give him that.

rabbitproof
04-30-2006, 11:14 PM
I don't hate ex-mavs... I just want the ones who are playing on our rivals to fail.

I still like Antoine Walker for goodness sakes. Pretty glad he's no longer a mav, but I still like him.

But with Little Stevie/Fin being on our chief rivals I cannot do anything other than heap scorn and wish them to get trounced in the playoffs.

Little Stevie unfortunately is also getting my MVP-ire as well this year.

Sums it up!! Except the Toine part. ;)

We root against the opposing teams and unfortunately, their teams hold ex-Mavs. I don't treat Steve Nash any differently then any other Sun. I don't treat Michael Finley any differently then any other Spur. They do nothing for the Mavericks franchise TODAY, like any other Sun or Spur, so I will not cheer them on TODAY. In the past, they did, and I was a fan then. In the meanwhile, all their work and energies go against us or, at the very least, are not for us. Thus, they do not get my support.

It is quite simple.