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birdsanctuary
04-22-2006, 02:26 PM
I started to watch game 1, but as the game began the NBA coverage suddenly switched over to the East Coast Bricklayer Convention 2006.

Washington's bigs were having their way inside against Cleveland on the offensive glass.

Washington in 6.

Lebron for MVP....please....

DubOverdose
04-22-2006, 03:25 PM
this game sucks

orangedays
04-22-2006, 03:27 PM
Bron came to play - 19 pts. on 50% FG, 5 rebs, 7 asts...at halftime.

rakesh.s
04-22-2006, 03:37 PM
this series is just a matchup of mediocre teams...be ready for "exciting" mediocre basketball.. By exciting, I mean that washington will win their home games and then Cleveland will win in game 7.

One thing is for sure...Whoever comes out of this is going to be an appetizer for Detroit.

Drbio
04-22-2006, 04:10 PM
Washington is fading....Cleveland will run away with this one. I mean Donyell Marshall is exerting his will at this point.

dirno2000
04-22-2006, 04:19 PM
Bron came to play - 19 pts. on 50% FG, 5 rebs, 7 asts...at halftime.

I hope Dirk can bring home the MVP this season because I have a feeling that Labron is going to be the favorite for the next decade.

Drbio
04-22-2006, 04:20 PM
Marshall now has 17 points in 16 minutes. wow.

Milles
04-22-2006, 04:24 PM
I had to mute the TV, the Cleveland PA announcer is sooooo loud and annoying.

CLeveland is definately sending a message to the Wizards, you will lose.

Gil is not shooting that well, first game jitters? But you know Gil will be taking names and improve for the next game.

nah-vit-ski
04-22-2006, 05:44 PM
triple deuce

DirkGoesNuclear
04-22-2006, 08:20 PM
When is Hubie Brown going to retire?

birdsanctuary
04-23-2006, 10:20 AM
Did I say Washington in 6?

Well what I meant to say was errrr' Cleveland in 4.

nashtymavsfan13
04-23-2006, 01:49 PM
Clevland in 6.

dude1394
04-23-2006, 06:25 PM
Man this is the kind of media-hero-worship that makes me gag when I hear some of these guys and hope they break a leg or something.

So I'm watching the highlights of the cleveland/washington game.

- Lebron in first playoff
BEGIN
- Lebron Scores
- Lebron dishes
REPEAT UNTIL END.

Not a single, solitary point was scored by washington OR an assist or play made by anyone but king bron-bron. Gag me, gag me.

Even though some guy named Arenas scored 26 points.

God I hope cleveland is bounced from the playoffs so I don't have to have bron-bron shoved down my throat.

nashtymavsfan13
04-23-2006, 07:02 PM
Man this is the kind of media-hero-worship that makes me gag when I hear some of these guys and hope they break a leg or something.

So I'm watching the highlights of the cleveland/washington game.

- Lebron in first playoff
BEGIN
- Lebron Scores
- Lebron dishes
REPEAT UNTIL END.

Not a single, solitary point was scored by washington OR an assist or play made by anyone but king bron-bron. Gag me, gag me.

Even though some guy named Arenas scored 26 points.

God I hope cleveland is bounced from the playoffs so I don't have to have bron-bron shoved down my throat.

It really does get tiring when all you hear about is one player. Unfortunatley it's going to be that way with Lebron for a long time to come:(

Stranger
04-25-2006, 08:54 PM
Arenas outplays LeBron and the Wiz win game two. So far in two games, Larry Hughes is shooting 6-25 against his old team... yikes! Much-liked former Mav Antawn bounces back from a bad game to put up 20 and 6.

NXperience
04-25-2006, 09:03 PM
LeBron almost with a Tripple Double again too bad one of the categories was TO. And missing that 3 at the end wasn't helping either. I so hope for him to just lose all the next three games and be out of the playoff picture.

dude1394
04-25-2006, 09:47 PM
Man I thought Arenas was going to blow that one. He's coming down less than a minute jacking up 3s with 15 seconds on the shot clock and nobody under the board.

I still wonder if all of the highlights will be of bron-bron. Probably.

Bron-bron bites his lip.
Bron-bron with head down after losing HCA.
Bron-bron slinking off to locker room after losing the game by missing fts.

Boo stinkin' hoo. Hope they are swept.

Murphy3
04-25-2006, 10:03 PM
Arenas outplays LeBron and the Wiz win game two. So far in two games, Larry Hughes is shooting 6-25 against his old team... yikes! Much-liked former Mav Antawn bounces back from a bad game to put up 20 and 6.
Pretty much everyone that suited up outplayed LeBron.

rakesh.s
04-25-2006, 10:11 PM
Larry Hughes is quickly approaching Allan Houston as one of the worst contracts ever.

Injury prone and Flip Murray is a better player than him.

Riddle me this --

If a team has cap space and signs players to reach the salary cap, is the idea to simply make the playoffs and get crushed, or is it to become a CONTENDER? In Cleveland's case, it seems to be the former. They went out and spent all their money on mediocrity.

sike
04-26-2006, 01:18 AM
well....we're about to have a non-post MVP who can't be counted on to hit from beyond 16ft.

sixeightmkw
04-26-2006, 08:45 AM
Wow, from watching ESPN I thought Bron Bron was the second coming of Christ. I guess they were wrong.

chumdawg
04-28-2006, 09:56 PM
My goodness, the shot James just made with six seconds late rivals any sort of around-the-rim theatrics I've ever seen. Wow.

raefformvp
04-28-2006, 10:00 PM
what a game! I was hoping the Wiz would win, but oh well. nice showing by both James and Arenas.

rakesh.s
04-29-2006, 12:12 AM
wiz got robbed tonight..Lebron shuffled his feet on that go ahead bucket

and it looked like his previous bucket should've been a jump ball.

looks like the lebron rules are slowly coming into play...they're trying to force-feed this guy to us.

jthig32
04-29-2006, 09:00 AM
My goodness, the shot James just made with six seconds late rivals any sort of around-the-rim theatrics I've ever seen. Wow.

Sure, except that it was a travel. He jump stopped and then took a step...wtf?

aexchange
04-29-2006, 09:04 AM
Sure, except that it was a travel. He jump stopped and then took a step...wtf?

he actually jump stopped and then took 2 steps. it was ridiculous.

chumdawg
04-30-2006, 09:16 PM
Am I the only one who doubts LeBron is only 21? Kid looks 25 to me.

kg_veteran
05-01-2006, 12:07 PM
he actually jump stopped and then took 2 steps. it was ridiculous.

Wow, I've been out of pocket so I missed this video replay until just now.

I think he traveled three times.

He took one step and then jump stopped. That's a travel.

He took another step after a jump stop. That's another travel.

He lifted his pivot foot after coming to a stop. That's another travel.

I guess the most atrocious thing was that the announcers spent the whole time drooling over James like it was a great move without even acknowledging the possibility that, "Hey, that might have been a travel! Or three!"

The footage, for those who don't believe me:

http://www.freepgs.com/datznasty/steps.gif

EricaLubarsky
05-01-2006, 12:08 PM
that is beyond ridiculous, KG. Thanks for the post.

sixeightmkw
05-01-2006, 12:10 PM
I love what Lebron is doing in the playoffs!!!!








against the Wizards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jthig32
05-01-2006, 12:19 PM
Well, I dunno about the first part. It was borderline, but I think it was a legal jumpstop. If nothing else, that move is done every night in the NBA without being called.

The two steps after the jump stop, however, are ridiculous.

sixeightmkw
05-01-2006, 12:22 PM
actaully, a jump stop means both feet hit the floor at the sme time. From there he can take 2 steps. Actually he can take 2 steps, then jump stop, and has to put up a shot or pass after that or jump stop and then take 2 steps. But in watching the video, he definately takes a step, then jump stops,then takes 2 steps. so definately a huge traveling violation.

Five-ofan
05-01-2006, 12:29 PM
You CANNOT jump stop and then take two steps 6-8. That is the purpose of it being called a jump STOP. You CAN declare either foot your pivot foot but you cant take any more steps. I also dont think you can take any steps and then jump stop. Basically the jump stop takes the place of your two steps the way i understand it. The problem is he took a step jump stopped and then took 2 more. Then he landed before he shot the ball. That is 4 travels.

kg_veteran
05-01-2006, 12:45 PM
jthig32 - I agree with you about the first travel. That routinely happens in the NBA. It's still a travel, but it routinely happens.

68 - Your understanding of the rules is incorrect. In order to do a legal jump stop, you have to land with both feet at the same time, and you can't take any steps either before or after the jump stop, because it constitutes your two steps.

5-0 - You can't pivot after doing a jump stop.

Five-ofan
05-01-2006, 12:49 PM
Really? Hrmm good to know. i thought that you could use one pivot foot if you jump stopped but ill take your word for it. Oh well makes it even worse.

kg_veteran
05-01-2006, 01:00 PM
I just looked the rule up at NBA.com. If you land with both feet on the floor at the same time (a jump stop) you can use either foot as a pivot foot, but you have to release the shot before you lift the pivot foot.

I swear that wasn't always the rule. They must have changed it for Shaq. Either way, I wanted to be completely accurate.

In this context, IF LeBron hadn't taken the first step before the jump stop, he would have been entitled to choose a pivot foot and use it, as long as he released the shot before lifting the pivot foot.

EricaLubarsky
05-01-2006, 01:03 PM
my uncle used to ref and a jump stop allows you to move one unit (the jump) but forfeits your ability to pivot. It should be used only to get a shot off or to find extra room for a pass, etc. The only time you can land with two feet and choose a pivot foot is if you receive the ball while in the air and land both feet at the same time (beginning posession). I believe you start having a pivot foot once you land (or choose) and it follows you, alternating as you dribble

Maybe the NBA is different now, but I've seen a lot of players rebound or catch a pass in the air, land with one foot first and then pivot the other foot. I've also seen a lot of times a player will discontinue dribbling more than once, etc. The NBA is a little creative. And while we're talking about creative officiating did anyone else piss themselves a little when Nash didn't get the superstar call he was used to getting in the Lakers game?

Maybe KG is right, but I think that the rule is on start of posession and not on a jump step.

kg_veteran
05-01-2006, 01:08 PM
my uncle used to ref and a jump stop allows you to move one unit (the jump) but forfeits your ability to pivot.

That's what I used to think, too, but that's not how the rule reads.

EricaLubarsky
05-01-2006, 01:16 PM
that just seems too wrong to me. You can dribble, then jump which removes both feet from the ground, then choose which of the two is your pivot foot? Thats a complete reset of the grounding.

Well regardless, there are enough violations to call 2-3 travels on that play.

Five-ofan
05-01-2006, 01:22 PM
There are 3 or 4 depending on if you think he landed before he shot or not. 1 step then jump stop. 1 travel. Takes a 2 steps. Another travel. Leaves both feet(whichever one is the pivot.) before he lands. Yet another travel. Lands before he lets go of the ball. Yet another travel.

sixeightmkw
05-01-2006, 01:26 PM
he landed then let go of the ball? Ididn't see that. I couldn't tell from the replay. Yep, theres another travel.

I guess when Nike and ESPN pump you up, you get all the calls, or NO calls.

jthig32
05-01-2006, 01:35 PM
There are 3 or 4 depending on if you think he landed before he shot or not. 1 step then jump stop. 1 travel. Takes a 2 steps. Another travel. Leaves both feet(whichever one is the pivot.) before he lands. Yet another travel. Lands before he lets go of the ball. Yet another travel.

Yeah, I noticed that after this latest viewing as well. I don't think you can tell from the angle KG posted, but you can certainly tell it's VERY close.

I just don't understand how someone could objectively see that, and not immediately state it was a travel, and discuss nothing but that. I mean, step back and just watch his body. The movement he goes through does not belong on a basketball court.

How any announcer could see that and not immediately point it out is beyond me.

Five-ofan
05-01-2006, 01:43 PM
He travels alot guys. He is just so damn fast that it is sometimes hard to see. Most of the plays that ESPN praises as showing his strength when he does the football player cover up before he shoots it were travels. There is nothing you can do about it. The guy is a freak of nature and the rules or the way they are called now anyway cater so distinctly to him that its really not fair. I mean if he can turn basketball in to rugby at his size and speed what can you do about it?

kg_veteran
05-01-2006, 01:50 PM
Yeah, I noticed that after this latest viewing as well. I don't think you can tell from the angle KG posted, but you can certainly tell it's VERY close.

I just don't understand how someone could objectively see that, and not immediately state it was a travel, and discuss nothing but that. I mean, step back and just watch his body. The movement he goes through does not belong on a basketball court.

How any announcer could see that and not immediately point it out is beyond me.
I just noticed what you guys are pointing out. There WERE four travels. Here it is again, from several different angles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjxZBRjA_Zo

He clearly lands before releasing the ball. And as he returns to the bench, you can clearly read his lips. He's complaining about the "and one."

Wow, just wow.

Five-ofan
05-01-2006, 01:54 PM
I notice it because of the idiots i play with at the local Y. They do that all the time so i have become used to looking for it.

Male30Dan
05-03-2006, 11:02 PM
Maybe some of you want to change your votes now?

orangedays
05-03-2006, 11:05 PM
Clutch. And incredible presence of mind from LeBron. He's shutting up everyone who has questioned his ability to handle pressure situations.

Wow. What a finish.

Male30Dan
05-03-2006, 11:09 PM
He is AMAZING!

dirno2000
05-03-2006, 11:16 PM
Washington is horrible...how do you give up a layup on an inbounds play with 3 seconds left? Reminded me of Bibby going baseline for the game winning layup in Game 4 of the 2002 western conference semi's.

Male30Dan
05-03-2006, 11:20 PM
Washington is horrible...how do you give up a layup on an inbounds play with 3 seconds left? Reminded me of Bibby going baseline for the game winning layup in Game 4 of the 2002 western conference semi's.

I agree, but give LeBron some credit... He is VERY fast and athletic!

Male30Dan
05-03-2006, 11:21 PM
Mike Brown is funny to listen to... He is like most other people watching LeBron as a fan in that he speaks of him in awe rather than talking like a coach generally would.

dirno2000
05-03-2006, 11:24 PM
I agree, but give LeBron some credit... He is VERY fast and athletic!

No doubt, Labron is a freak but there's no way he should have got an uncontested layup in that situation...that was jamison's fine work.

Male30Dan
05-03-2006, 11:28 PM
Ah Jamison... Wasn't he up for defensive player of the year this season???

Damn it, I don't remember how to make that moon appear!!!

Murphy3
05-04-2006, 12:05 AM
LeBron's not playing in the playoffs yet... He's playing against the Wiz...

Male30Dan
05-04-2006, 12:30 AM
LeBron's not playing in the playoffs yet... He's playing against the Wiz...

Ha!

nashtymavsfan13
05-04-2006, 12:33 AM
LeBron's not playing in the playoffs yet... He's playing against the Wiz...

lol

Male30Dan
05-04-2006, 12:35 AM
When asked if LeBron traveled, he said:

Nah, I don't travel. I don't know how to travel!

Funny stuff...

sixeightmkw
05-04-2006, 08:25 AM
LeBron's not playing in the playoffs yet... He's playing against the Wiz...
That is what I have been saying this whole time. Who has he freaking played. The Wiz. WHHOOOOA stop the damn presses, Lebron scored 45 on the Wiz.

sixeightmkw
05-04-2006, 08:26 AM
ESPN just now,

"we are going to talk to Lebron and talk about his run of being Mr. Clutch."

The Mr. Clutch at the beggining of the year that couldn'thit a game winning shot to save his life, or the o ne that has hit only about 5.

sixeightmkw
05-04-2006, 08:32 AM
When asked if LeBron traveled, he said:

Nah, I don't travel. I don't know how to travel!

Funny stuff...
begininng stages of pompous ass.

Five-ofan
05-04-2006, 08:34 AM
That was nice and all but it was god awful defense at the very least as much as it was good O. The question i have is how do you let lebron even catch the ball on the out of bounds play. Its not that hard to take one player away on an out of bounds play. Then even if you let him catch it in the corner you trap him. He doesnt have time for one of his jump passes so all he can do is shoot a crazy tmac like fadeaway 3. If he makes that then you tip your cap but to give him that layup is just horrendous.

dude1394
05-04-2006, 08:38 AM
Good lord...now I have to watch all-lebron all of the time until the next kobe show. Yuck, espn is irritating.

dalmations202
05-04-2006, 09:35 AM
Star power won that game. The NBA said that Lebron has more star power than all the Wiz, so let him do whatever. Officials change calls, allow traveling, and play favoritism, just keep Lebron playing because it means more $$$$.

That third foul being changed just before the half was disgusting. It was obvious he charged, and yet, the offside official who wasn't in position, overturns it, and makes it a defensive block. Disgusting how they did that, even the TNT crew was laughing about it.

Five-ofan
05-04-2006, 10:02 AM
I would feel worse for Washington if they hadnt given the game away with whatever that was that was supposed to be defense in the last 3.7 seconds.

chumdawg
05-05-2006, 10:18 PM
Wow, that was a cool ending. Damon Jones doesn't play the entire game, then gets subbed in at the end of overtime and makes the game winner.

The coolest part, though, was watching all the Cavs run to congratulation Jones after the buzzer, knocking him down, piling on him and stuff. It looked like the NCAA's out there. Pretty cool.

mary
05-05-2006, 10:18 PM
Wow, Gilbert Arenas really choked on that one. Two free throws - missed them both.

That's gonna sting!

Eta: Woops, my bad. They were only up by one at the time.

Dtownsfinest
05-05-2006, 10:21 PM
Gotta feel bad for Arenas. That game was won by the Wiz if he would've hit those 2 free throws.

Drbio
05-05-2006, 10:22 PM
Screw Arenas. Nice series win by Cleveland.

Damon? Not there is a new name for a game winner. :)