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some-dude
06-22-2006, 09:34 AM
Official Press Release - Larry Brown has been relieved of his responsibilities as head coach of the New York Knicks it was announced today. Isiah Thomas, who serves as the team's president and general manager, will also assume the role of head coach, effective immediately.

"Larry has had a long and storied career. We hired him last summer with the expectation that he would be with the Knicks for a long time. Sometimes decisions work and sometimes they don't. After careful consideration, despite the best intentions from everyone involved, this current structure did not work for us last season and I did not think it was going to improve next season," MSG Chairman James L. Dolan said. "I have great personal admiration for Larry, but have concluded that it is best for our franchise if we make this change. We understand that fans were not happy with the performance of the team last season and neither were we. We are committed to making major improvements next season towards our goal of producing a winning basketball team."

"No one in our organization is happy with last season and we all accept responsibility for our performance," Thomas said. "This has been a difficult time for the entire organization and our fans. Today begins the 2006-07 season for the Knicks, and I strongly believe we are on the right track to take major steps in our rebuilding process to achieve our goal of being one of the premier teams in the NBA. Larry Brown is a great coach, but for various reasons, bringing him to the Knicks did not turn out the way we had hoped and we wish him the best in the future."

Thomas, who joined the Knicks as president and general manager on Dec. 22, 2003, previously served as a head coach with the Indiana Pacers for three seasons from 2000-01 through 2002-03. Coaching a youthful Pacers team, he compiled a record of 131-115 record, making the playoffs in each of his three seasons. [READ]

Arne
06-22-2006, 09:45 AM
A 131-115 record with that Indianna team is not what you call impressive.

TripleDipping
06-22-2006, 09:46 AM
Isaiah becomes the coach. Anybody didn't see this coming?

Dooby
06-22-2006, 10:01 AM
What is the status of Brown's asssistants, specifically Mark Aguire? I would expect Aguire to stay with Pistons-pal Thomas, but with Isaiah, you never know. If he is let go, he needs to come back here, which is what should have happened last year.

MavKikiNYC
06-22-2006, 10:07 AM
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MavKikiNYC
06-22-2006, 10:09 AM
According to sources, the Knicks have told Brown they are not going to pay him the full $40 million he is owed over the last four years of his deal. Sources indicate that the Knicks are going to allow NBA commissioner David Stern to arbitrate what compensation is owed to the Hall of Fame coach.

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MavKikiNYC
06-22-2006, 10:10 AM
Dolan and Thomas are absolute lying slime.

Zeke is in so way over his peanut head.

nashtymavsfan13
06-22-2006, 10:20 AM
Wow, so where's he going to go?

some-dude
06-22-2006, 10:36 AM
Wow, so where's he going to go?

I would imagine that he wouldn't go to any team this year to coach. Maybe take a year or so off a la Phil Jacskon and if his health is fine maybe give it one more go, but his coaching days are all but over IMO.

MavKikiNYC
06-22-2006, 10:38 AM
Seriously, given the way Dolan and Thomas have dealt with Brown (and Wilkens, and Chaney...and let's not even start naming players)....

does anyone doubt that they treated Anucha Browne-Sanders even worse?

MavsFanFinley
06-22-2006, 11:05 AM
I feel so sorry for the Knicks. Can you imagine having to root for that team? I like some of the players but can you really root for that team from top to bottom?

spreedom
06-22-2006, 11:52 AM
Fuck Larry Brown. Good riddance; I don't know if a JV high school coach could have done a worse job with the Knicks than you did.

GP
06-22-2006, 02:08 PM
Shouldn't this thread be titled: Knicks Back to the Lottery thread part II or something. It looks like Thomas has set this franchise back at least 8 - 10 years. If they would have kept Layden or got a real GM they'd be just about complete with their rebuilding process. Now............................................... ..what do they have to look forward to a 30-52 record, no draft picks and the highest and most inflexible payroll in the history of the league. This is one of the most poorly constructed teams in the history of sports.

FINtastic
06-22-2006, 06:54 PM
Fuck Larry Brown. Good riddance; I don't know if a JV high school coach could have done a worse job with the Knicks than you did.

There area a lot of coaches who could have done worse. That team was built to fail. Isiah is going to find that out this year when he has to coach this mess. I wouldn't be surprised to see them win less than 20 games this year. The team is just that bad.

fluid.forty.one
06-22-2006, 06:56 PM
I can't wait to see Thomas try and coach that team, he's in for a bumpy ride.

madape
06-22-2006, 07:31 PM
No excuses now for Isiah. He build this abortion. Now he has to coach it.

GP
06-22-2006, 08:08 PM
I am no fan of Larry Brown. He can be utterly ridiculous at times. However, if he can't win with a team then nobody can. The Knicks were going to be terrible whoever coached them. On the bright side for Larry Brown though. How much money is he getting from both the Pistons and the Knicks not to coach. 60 or 70 million? This guy must be one of the smartest guys in the world.

MavKikiNYC
06-22-2006, 09:22 PM
On the bright side for Larry Brown though. How much money is he getting from both the Pistons and the Knicks not to coach. 60 or 70 million? This guy must be one of the smartest guys in the world.

Dolan and the NYKs are not agreeing to pay him off. That is, they're saying that they don't intend to pay him the remaining years of his contract--that they fired him "for cause".

Brown's contract stipulates that Stern will arbitrate the amount of any payoff. Should be interesting.

GP
06-22-2006, 10:37 PM
I think Dolan's argument is monumentally weak. Brown has a guaranteed contract and he can easily go to court with all the damning information that was leaked to the press. Just because the NBA has a collective bargaining agreement with the players and a federal antitrust exemption doesn't mean they can do an end around New York law which heavily favors the workers. I can see Stern ruling in favor of Dolan; however, that certainly wouldn't be the end of it. If he does then I am sure Brown can take it to court. Probably should in the first place.

fluid.forty.one
06-22-2006, 10:41 PM
I hope he's not trying to pull a riley and expect a ring this year.

Dtownsfinest
06-23-2006, 12:06 AM
Wow. Larry Brown got fired for not turning around a horrible team into a championship contender in less than a season. MJ in his prime couldn't do a damn thing for that Knicks team. I was willing to give Isiah the benefit of hte doubt but he's been horrible and this just put the finishing touches on a long overdue firing.

Nash13
06-23-2006, 12:57 AM
Am i the only one that's sick to death of hearing about the Knicks? What have they ever done to deserve the media attention they've been getting the past 2 years? When they were in the playoffs a few years ago, no one mentioned them. And when they suck hard, everybody want to talk about them. I'd rather listen to how the Heat deserved to win the finals than listen about the New York Knicks.

Dtownsfinest
06-23-2006, 01:04 AM
Its the East Coast bias which is why I pray the Knicks never get a young star like a Wade or a Lebron. Imagine if Wade played for the Knicks? Damn.

Dooby
06-23-2006, 02:40 PM
Its the East Coast bias which is why I pray the Knicks never get a young star like a Wade or a Lebron. Imagine if Wade played for the Knicks? Damn.

Oh, I am sure they think they are going to trade Stve Francis for Wade or LeBron straight up.

MavKikiNYC
06-23-2006, 02:43 PM
Am i the only one that's sick to death of hearing about the Knicks? What have they ever done to deserve the media attention they've been getting the past 2 years? When they were in the playoffs a few years ago, no one mentioned them. And when they suck hard, everybody want to talk about them. I'd rather listen to how the Heat deserved to win the finals than listen about the New York Knicks.

You're sick of hearing about it? Imagine if you were the New Jersey Nets.

dude1394
06-23-2006, 05:34 PM
Larry Brown can suck it. He's (again) managed to get a 5 year contract and only play 1.

He's never been anyone who someone can stand to have around more than a few seasons, the guy has to have some serious, serious issues.

MavKikiNYC
06-25-2006, 03:41 PM
I wonder if Stern can decide to increase the amount that Brown is owed.

Five-ofan
06-26-2006, 12:04 PM
Thank god everyone finally can see that brown is such a ridiculously overrated coach. Sadly isiah is a terrible coach so we wont get to see the extreme improvement that we would have if dantoni or nellie would have went there. Oh well even as bad as isiah is i GUARANTEE they win more games this year than last year. If there was a reverse coach of the year award for the worst coaching job last year brown would have been the consensus worst COTY.

MavKikiNYC
06-26-2006, 01:48 PM
Thank god everyone finally can see that brown is such a ridiculously overrated coach. Sadly isiah is a terrible coach so we wont get to see the extreme improvement that we would have if dantoni or nellie would have went there. Oh well even as bad as isiah is i GUARANTEE they win more games this year than last year. If there was a reverse coach of the year award for the worst coaching job last year brown would have been the consensus worst COTY.
I think you may be one of the few seeing that Brown is a "...ridiculously overrated coach."

What far, far more people are becoming aware of is what terrible ownership the NYKs have. J-Do's daddy felt the need to write a "He's-a-good-boy!-Really-he-is!" letter to the editor to try to deflect some of the searing criticism being heaped on his dullard son. Surprisingly (or not) he left out any mention whatsoever of J-Do's protracted substance-abuse problems.


To the Sports Editor:

Selena Roberts asks ("A Bad Seed Is to Blame for the Mess at the Garden (http://select.nytimes.com/2006/06/23/sports/basketball/23roberts.html)," June 23): "Does Charles F. Dolan (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/d/charles_f_dolan/index.html?inline=nyt-per) lie awake at night counting his black sheep son?" The answer is I really sleep very well.
After all, why shouldn't I?

We are fortunate to have three sons and three daughters. We are very proud of them, none more than Jim.

Jim began with Cablevision more than 30 years ago loading freight on a dock. After college, he undertook one after the other of the most difficult and challenging tasks involved in our growth. He came to know our business the only way you can: by experiencing firsthand all of its operations.

I don't know of anyone with broader or more rigorous training or who has worked harder and accomplished more for the company. As chief executive for the past 10 years, he has led the company to a strategic focus on the New York area while offering the nation's best-selling cable, phone and Internet services. Thus, he has created an organization that is widely recognized as one of the most competitive in the telecom industry, rewarding both its customers and its owners.

Jim has five devoted sons. As Ms. Roberts pointed out, he has overcome addiction. However, she did not mention that he now gives unsparingly of his time helping others with similar difficulties. Jim is unafraid in facing unpopular problems whether investing unhesitatingly in support of the Knicks (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/sports/probasketball/nationalbasketballassociation/newyorkknicks/index.html?inline=nyt-org), sitting in the front row for nearly every game or revising some of his father's favorite business plans.

What does startle me, I'll admit, is reading in The New York Times, of all places, such a rancorous column about the dynamics of a family-owned media company.

Charles F. Dolan
New York


As for Chuck-Daddy's surprise at seeing a "rancorous" column about his son in the NYT, the pin-headed SOB ought to hop on a subway wearing a NYKs cap.

One can only hope for a crash of the helicopter ferrying the moron son from the Hamptons to Manhattan, and pray that there are not too many on-the-ground casualties.

MFFL
06-26-2006, 01:58 PM
Knicks say Brown violated MSG policy by talking
Associated Press

NEW YORK -- The Knicks contend Larry Brown broke Madison Square Garden policy with his roadside interviews, a decision the team believes could wind up saving them millions.

The Knicks fired Brown on Thursday after one season as their coach and replaced him with team president and general manager Isiah Thomas. Brown has four years and a reported $40 million left on his contract, but the Knicks say the Hall of Fame coach is not entitled to all of it because of his disregard for team policy.

Since James Dolan became owner of the Knicks and Rangers, Madison Square Garden policy specifies that any interviews must be done with a public relations official present -- with no exceptions, according to a person familiar with the policy, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because this matter has not been resolved.

After reports surfaced in May that Dolan was considering buying out Brown's contract, the Knicks made neither Brown nor Thomas available after they worked out potential draft prospects.

Reporters soon began waiting near the entrance to the Knicks' training facility in Greenburgh, N.Y. On a few occasions, Brown pulled his car over to speak, saying during one interview he felt like a "dead man walking."

Brown's agent, Joe Glass, would not address the contention that the Hall of Fame coach was violating company rules.

"I'm not going to comment on any alleged misconduct," he said Friday. "It will be taken care of in the proper format at the proper time."

Told the Knicks are citing a specific infraction, Glass said, "We will answer all of the alleged allegations at the appropriate time at the appropriate format."

Glass, in any event, expects his client to be properly taken care of.

"I'm sure he will be," he said.

The Knicks went 23-59 -- matching the franchise record for losses in a year -- despite carrying the highest payroll in the league. Brown's criticism of Stephon Marbury and other players through the media clearly rankled Dolan. Now the coaching job belongs to Thomas, the Knicks' fifth coach in the last three years.

"I'm disappointed, I love this franchise, but I didn't do what I was paid to do," Brown said in Friday's New York Post. "I didn't do the job. I wish them well and I move on.

"I had a great opportunity. ... They feel I didn't do what I came to do. I mean, I won 23 games."

Five-ofan
06-26-2006, 02:08 PM
Will you admit that brown is ridiculously overrated when isiah(a bad coach) takes essentially the same players and wins more games?

MavKikiNYC
06-26-2006, 02:13 PM
Will you admit that brown is ridiculously overrated when isiah(a bad coach) takes essentially the same players and wins more games?
No.

Look, there is plenty to criticize about the job Brown did THIS year with the NYKs, although the whole season was complicated by management mistakes past and present. . And plenty not to like about the way Brown has left teams hanging in previous jobs. But to call him overrated---he's coached in 3 NBA Finals, winning one of them. (If you're gonna call Brown overrated, how do you describe Flip Saunders? ) And he has a record of making winning teams out of losing teams at every stop before NY. He also has a very strong record in the NCAA, where he also won a championship.

You may not admire him personally. But to say he's overrated as a coach just goes against a very established body of evidence.

I'd go so far as to say that Brown brought more to the NYKs as a coach, could have made MORE positive difference as a coach, than any three players currently on the roster will make as players. Further, you could dump the whole roster, fire Isiah, give Brown control of personnel decisions and he'd have them back in the playoffs within 3 years, STARTING FROM SCRATCH.

Five-ofan
06-26-2006, 02:52 PM
Brown is a good coach there is no arguing that and im not arguing that. I am arguing he is overrated which he without question is. He was widely considered the best coach in the nba going into this season which is an absolute joke because the best coach in nba history happens to be coaching now. I think him and nellie are roughly equivalents as coaches. Since i think alot of nellie that means that i think he is a good coach but he is a top 10 coach and not the best coach. There is a huge difference. Its like nash. i think he is an amazing player. I also think he is overrated. You can be both.

MavKikiNYC
06-26-2006, 06:09 PM
Dolan and Thomas held a "press conference" with only selected reporters and news outlets allowed to attend.

Reportedly, Dolan said that Thomas had one year to turn things around, or he'd be gone too.

Would be good news, but who trusts Dolan to live up to his word anymore?

MavsFanFinley
06-27-2006, 12:47 AM
Is this a joke? Would any coach make a request like that?

Brown Wanted Knicks To Waive Marbury, Francis, James, Rose and Taylor

27th June, 2006 - 12:54 am

New York Times - After finally addressing the press, Knicks owner James Dolan revealed that working with Brown in the future would be unachievable after Brown made questionable demands.

The most questionable had Brown request that the team waive Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis, Jerome James, Jalen Rose and Maurice Taylor - a move that would have cost the Knicks roughly $150 million in salary.

Late last season, Brown admitted that he had lost the faith of many of his players.

Dolan claimed that Brown focused too much on trying to be the GM of the team and not enough on coaching them.

EricaLubarsky
06-27-2006, 12:52 AM
Brown Wanted Knicks To Waive Marbury, Francis, James, Rose and Taylor
Wow, maybe Brown isnt so stupid after all.

chumdawg
06-27-2006, 01:12 AM
That would have been BAD ASS!

MavKikiNYC
06-27-2006, 07:26 AM
Is this a joke? Would any coach make a request like that?

Brown Wanted Knicks To Waive Marbury, Francis, James, Rose and Taylor

27th June, 2006 - 12:54 am

New York Times - After finally addressing the press, Knicks owner James Dolan revealed that working with Brown in the future would be unachievable after Brown made questionable demands.

The most questionable had Brown request that the team waive Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis, Jerome James, Jalen Rose and Maurice Taylor - a move that would have cost the Knicks roughly $150 million in salary.

Late last season, Brown admitted that he had lost the faith of many of his players.

Dolan claimed that Brown focused too much on trying to be the GM of the team and not enough on coaching them.

If waiving them all was a "questionable demand", what the hell was the decision to sign them all?

Five-ofan
06-27-2006, 01:08 PM
I still say the knicks are in the top half of the nba in terms of talent.

EricaLubarsky
06-27-2006, 03:23 PM
If waiving them all was a "questionable demand", what the hell was the decision to sign them all?
You can "question" the intelligence of Brown, but there is no "question" gathering the Knick roster was pure stupidity.

rakesh.s
06-27-2006, 06:33 PM
how can you waive all those guys? They're owed what, hundreds of millions over the next several years? That's a lot, even for the knicks.

Brown wanted those guys waived, yet he was the one who brought francis in..what a dumbass.

EricaLubarsky
06-27-2006, 07:17 PM
I think he got there and just didn't have the support that he needed to do what he wanted. Brown was hard-headed and wanted to create a core of young talent and completely leave out all the arrogant, selfish players that the organization brought in. I think thats why the lineup changed so dramatically the whole year.

MavKikiNYC
06-29-2006, 09:44 PM
On draft night, Thomas said he took Balkman early because was sure he would be gone when the Knicks selected again at No. 29 (they did not have a second-round pick). According to Thomas, the Phoenix Suns (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/sports/probasketball/nationalbasketballassociation/phoenixsuns/index.html?inline=nyt-org) were set to draft Balkman with one of their two picks, at 21 or 27.


"That's funny," Mike D'Antoni, the Suns' president and coach, told a Phoenix radio station. "He wasn't even on our radar."


What a pitiful liar.

dude1394
06-29-2006, 09:51 PM
Quote:
On draft night, Thomas said he took Balkman early because was sure he would be gone when the Knicks selected again at No. 29 (they did not have a second-round pick). According to Thomas, the Phoenix Suns were set to draft Balkman with one of their two picks, at 21 or 27.


"That's funny," Mike D'Antoni, the Suns' president and coach, told a Phoenix radio station. "He wasn't even on our radar."

What a pitiful liar.

Which one?

nashtymavsfan13
06-30-2006, 12:46 AM
What a pitiful liar.

LOL, he's just looking for an excuse. What a terrible pick.

some-dude
06-30-2006, 12:52 AM
While I don't think it is a good pick, I think people are taking it to far. The Knicks orginization scouted this guy and saw something they liked. To the Knicks, he was the kind of player they need, a defensive hustle player. The Knicks already have enough selfish ballhog players so I don't think they needed a scorer.

We'll just have to wait and see how it pans out. Either way, no matter who they picked they still werent winning 30 games this year.

MavKikiNYC
06-30-2006, 01:36 AM
While I don't think it is a good pick, I think people are taking it to far. The Knicks orginization scouted this guy and saw something they liked. To the Knicks, he was the kind of player they need, a defensive hustle player. The Knicks already have enough selfish ballhog players so I don't think they needed a scorer.


Funny how Thomas is trying to say that Larry Brown liked this guy. So they're seriously taking the recommendations of the guy they just fired? Would be hilarious if Brown totally snowed them in the pre-draft workouts they forced him to conduct, while doing their damndest to humiliate him.

I half believe that Zeke took this guy because he looks like a thug-punk and Zeke thought that would market well locally. Surprise!

The mood is very poison toward Isiah in NYKdom at the moment (not to mention Dolan, though he's not as easy to get rid of). A lot of long-time Zeke apologists have even given up and shuffled off in disgust and resignaton. Gotta enjoy it for now. Can't decide whether I want them to be so bad that Dolan actually cuts Zeke loose before a year is up, or if I want him to die a slow death of a thousand cuts and degradations.

dude1394
06-30-2006, 07:43 AM
I don't care if he's the absolute guy they wanted, they have to be intelligent enough to know he won't get picked at that high a spot. It's just the knicks not even caring about salaries. Maybe it's a new york thing to just wildly overspend as part of the mystique.

Big Boy Laroux
06-30-2006, 01:52 PM
i agree, dude.

I like balkman. he will be a good fit for their team. but at # 20? with marcus williams still on the board?

EricaLubarsky
06-30-2006, 02:17 PM
New York had San Antonio's 29th pick-- 1 option.

New York could have traded their 20th pick down in exchange for something. Something for nothing-- 2nd option

New York probably could have acquired the 27th pick overall from Phoenix for cash-- its not like anyone actually looks at the payroll, or wants to.-- option 3

New York probably could have purchased or traded for a high second rounder.-- option 4

MavKikiNYC
06-30-2006, 03:58 PM
I don't care if he's the absolute guy they wanted, they have to be intelligent enough to know he won't get picked at that high a spot. It's just the knicks not even caring about salaries. Maybe it's a new york thing to just wildly overspend as part of the mystique.

Don't think that's it exactly. There's the rookie scale, so it's not like they can exceed that.

Are 2nd round picks bound by the scale? Seems like that was the loophole they used to sign Lampe (Who?) a couple of years ago, drafting him in the 2nd round. If I'm remembering/understanding correctly, they could actually have paid this guy more as a 2nd rounder.

It's just Isiah trying to be Slick Zeke, gambling against fate to try to make someone, anyone, think that he knows something about being a GM, about evaluating talent, about....about...about....anything.

I guess Thomas wanted this kid, had the 29, but no 2nd rounder. So he reached and took him. But it was just dumb. Reading that he's listed as 6.8, but is probably under 6.7, and does not have great lateral movement. Sounds like a young Malik Rose at best. AT BEST.

GP
06-30-2006, 07:56 PM
I really, really hope that the Knicks show just enough improvement for Dolan to keep Isaiah. This whole situation is a riot. I just can't wait until the next screw up. Maybe, Thomas will grope a cross dresser or something by mistake. Whatever it is going to be it is going to be big and hilarious. Just can't pay for better entertainment than the Knicks.

Five-ofan
06-30-2006, 09:10 PM
I have kinda been an isiah supporter by my comments about brown and the amount of talent on the team but good god man. What the heck was he thinking??? I dont think williams does them any good as their 4th pg either but he could have been traded or something.

Dooby
07-03-2006, 08:28 AM
http://www.yaysports.com/nba/images/renaldo%20balkman%201.jpg

nashtymavsfan13
07-04-2006, 04:20 PM
Coach Isiah Thomas might save Isiah the GM

By Dave D'Alessandro - SportingNews

Now that the hysterical mass displays of angst over the Larry Brown Era have turned into a muted slobber, a harsh reality remains: The Knicks are contractually obligated to play another season.

That will be the summer focus in New York, which is to basketball what Islamic fundamentalism is to Iran. And though I still maintain that the fans are daft to care about a team owned and operated by creepy people, I submit the following: This team is not really as bad the 23-59 mudslide would suggest, and at least now it has a coach who must care about achievement as much as he does spit-polishing his legacy.

As an executive, Isiah Thomas is a human pratfall. But coaching always has been his passion, and when you take an objective look at his track record in Indiana, he is good at it. Of course, talking about something good on the Knicks is like talking about a good song on a Michael Bolton album. Everything is relative. Compared with a day at the endodontist, it's not terrible.

Granted, considering the task Zeke faces, perhaps his track record is irrelevant. "It's his ship to steer," owner Jim Dolan, the co-author of this farce, says.

And as Dolan dropped the punch line -- the one about how Thomas has exactly one season to show "significant . . . evident progress" -- Zeke somehow avoided wearing the haunted look of a fugitive who just heard bloodhounds in the distance.

That's because he can do this. He always has prided himself on his leadership skills, not realizing that you can't lead from a corner office on the 14th floor at 2 Penn Plaza or a vomitory at the Garden. You lead from the practice floor, the bus and the locker room.

Before he changes into sweats, of course, he has to move out at least two extraneous pieces -- Jalen Rose and Steve Francis, for starters -- and that won't be easy. But it's not all about personnel. It's about imparting a vision (think Phoenix East), infusing some affinity, settling on a rotation and restoring the confidence Brown methodically shattered.

Then he must get Eddy Curry to defend and turn him into the fulcrum of the offense. Beyond that, he has to hope there will be some coruscating moments from his resident jewel, Stephon Marbury. (OK, that part was sarcasm.)

But, yes, Thomas can do this. He proved it in Indy. He took a team of children to the playoffs three straight years. On his watch, Jermaine O'Neal became a star. On his watch, Ron Artest became a beast.

He has let the Knicks deteriorate for 30 months. Over the next six, he may establish one of two things: that he was the right coach for this group all along or that his team had a meatball for a general manager. I'm guessing it will be both.

Dave D'Alessandro is the NBA writer for The Star-Ledger of Newark, N.J.

nashtymavsfan13
07-04-2006, 04:21 PM
Lol, that's genius Dooby!

Knickfan
07-07-2006, 06:51 AM
I'm SO glad they finally put Thomas as coach. The reason why, it will only be HALF of the season before this man is finally fired and OUT of New York. I am (rather) was probably one of the biggest Isiah Thomas fans in the world, but since he's come to New York, he's done NOTHING but RUIN this franchise. Dolan is a pretty big moron too but Isiah has been making all the moves and EVERY SINGLE MOVE has left me scratching my head. Well he's built this team, now he can coach them and he'll coach them right to their demise!!!!

Anyone whose a Knick fan here, don't worry it will all be over soon enough.

nashtymavsfan13
07-08-2006, 09:09 PM
Renaldo Balkman: Injures Ankle in Summer League Game
RotoWire.com Staff - RotoWire.com
Saturday, July 8, 2006
Update: Balkman (knee) had six points and four rebounds in his Knick debut in the Vegas Summer League, but was forced to leave the game when he rolled his left ankle in the third quarter, vegassummerleague.com reports.

Recommendation: Balkman had sprained his knee earlier in the week.

MavKikiNYC
07-29-2006, 09:57 AM
Gee Wiz! Knicks offer Jared $30M


BY FRANK ISOLA
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER Isiah Thomas spent the past two years pursuing Jared Jeffries and now he finally has Jeffries' signature on a contract.

The Knicks offered their mid-level exception to Jeffries yesterday, a deal that would pay him $30 million over the next five years. However, since Jeffries is a restricted free agent, his current club, the Washington Wizards, has seven days to match the offer.

The Daily News reported two weeks ago that Thomas was considering signing the 24-year-old Jeffries.

Sources indicated the Wizards might be prevented from matching the Knicks' offer because the contract would place them right at the luxury tax threshold.

In the event that Washington decides to pass, the addition of the 6-11 Jeffries would give the Knicks a versatile small forward who can play three positions. His presence likely would force Thomas to make another deal, since the Knicks have a surplus of small forwards.

Jalen Rose and Quentin Richardson are expected to compete for the starting job. The Knicks also used the first of their two first-round picks to select a small forward, Renaldo Balkman. Second-year forward David Lee is another option.

If Jeffries joins the Knicks, Rose and Richardson become the most logical candidates to be traded. Rose has more value because he is entering the final year of his contract. Richardson, who has a history of back problems, is coming off his worst season as a pro.

Both Rose and Richardson are more polished offensively than Jeffries, who is a jack-of-all-trades type of player. He averaged 6.4 points and 4.9 rebounds in 77 games last season. Washington made a one-year qualifying offer to Jeffries last month for approximately $3 million.

"Jared is very excited to be joining the Knicks," said Jeffries' agent, Andy Miller. "He's known Isiah for half of his life and this is a thrill for him."

nashtymavsfan13
07-29-2006, 01:07 PM
Wow, a little pricey for Jefferies.

mqywaaah
07-29-2006, 02:59 PM
The Knicks has a lot of money. They've already got huge contracts on their present rosters. Think they have a shot of getting better this coming season with Thomas at the wheel?

nashtymavsfan13
07-29-2006, 05:53 PM
Think they have a shot of getting better this coming season with Thomas at the wheel?

Nope.

The Crippler
07-29-2006, 11:26 PM
wait, wait, wait, the knicks already have jalen rose, drafted balkman and now are going to sign Jeffries? Seriously, wtf? Issah's moves make absolutely no sense at all. how many 3's do you need?

MavKikiNYC
07-29-2006, 11:57 PM
wait, wait, wait, the knicks already have jalen rose, drafted balkman and now are going to sign Jeffries? Seriously, wtf? Issah's moves make absolutely no sense at all. how many 3's do you need?

You left out Richardson.

nashtymavsfan13
07-30-2006, 12:43 AM
wait, wait, wait, the knicks already have jalen rose, drafted balkman and now are going to sign Jeffries? Seriously, wtf? Issah's moves make absolutely no sense at all. how many 3's do you need?

They are looking to trade Rose and Jeffries can play multiple positions, but I agree they do have plenty of 3's.

Five-ofan
07-30-2006, 04:16 PM
he paid way too much but this isnt a bad signing for them. I still say that team has an enormous amount of talent.

HexNBA
07-30-2006, 04:22 PM
"he paid way too much but this isnt a bad signing for them"

There's no way Washington wont match this anyway

atrewsfan
07-30-2006, 08:58 PM
I still say the knicks are in the top half of the nba in terms of talent.

You mean "in the top half of the nba in terms of egotistical ball-hogs, PG's who turn the ball over like doing so starts fast breaks for THEIR team, and soft pudgy post players who don't want to play D because they're afraid people might see them touching a guy on the other team and think that they're gay."

MavKikiNYC
08-07-2006, 09:15 PM
"he paid way too much but this isnt a bad signing for them"

There's no way Washington wont match this anyway

August 7, 2006
Wizards Pass on Jeffries

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 4:26 p.m. ET
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Having found a cheaper and more enthusiastic alternative in DeShawn Stevenson, the Washington Wizards (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/sports/probasketball/nationalbasketballassociation/washingtonwizards/index.html?inline=nyt-org) said Monday they won't match the New York Knicks' (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/sports/probasketball/nationalbasketballassociation/newyorkknicks/index.html?inline=nyt-org) offer sheet for restricted free agent Jared Jeffries.


The Wizards had seven days to match the Knicks' five-year, $30 million deal. They spent the week signing Stevenson -- who, like Jeffries, is known for his perimeter defense -- to a contract that will pay him the NBA minimum of $932,000 for the upcoming season.


''Jared's representative made it crystal clear that he preferred being in New York,'' Wizards president of basketball operations Ernie Grunfeld said. ''And we feel we have plenty of players who can take up the slack. We have players that want to be here.''


The 6-foot-11, 240-pound Jeffries, selected by Washington with the 11th overall pick in the 2002 draft, has averaged 6.1 points and 4.9 rebounds in four seasons with the Wizards. Last season he started 77 games and averaged 6.4 points, but his greatest asset was his versatility as a defender.


Grunfeld said the Wizards will make up for Jeffries' absence with Stevenson and the return of Jarvis Hayes, who missed most of last season with a knee injury. The Wizards have also signed forward Darius Songaila and have high hopes for second-year player Andray Blatche, who played well during summer league games.


''We've added a lot of toughness to this ballclub,'' Grunfeld said. ''Our toughness is going to get better, as well as our competitiveness. We're deep at every position. In all likelihood, this is the team we're going to camp with, and we're very comfortable with it.''


A tentative Wizards starting lineup has either Stevenson or Hayes playing next to All-Star point guard Gilbert Arenas, with forwards Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison and probably center Brendan Haywood in the frontcourt. Training camp begins in early October.


When listing the key contributors for the upcoming season, Grunfeld did not mention first-round draft pick Oleksiy Pecherov, the latest indication that the Wizards are leaning against buying out the contract the 20-year-old Ukrainian has with a French team. With Washington's roster more or less set, Pecherov could benefit from the greater playing time he would get from another year in Europe before coming to the NBA.


''We think he has a good future in front of him,'' Grunfeld said. ''But he's only 20 years old, so we don't want to put too much pressure on him at this time.''

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