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Drbio
07-29-2006, 11:51 PM
Spurs Throw in for Bonzi Wells
Bill Ingram
for HOOPSWORLD.com
Jul 29, 2006, 14:37
There are two schools of thought when it comes to the San Antonio Spurs (http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_18276.shtml#)' offseason. The first goes something like this: The Spurs (http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_18276.shtml#), who finished the season at 63-19 with the best record in the Western Conference, should make as few changes as possible. Maybe make a tweak here, a tweak there, and try to duplicate the success of last season. After all, Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, and Manu Ginobili are the primary players and as long as they're in place the Spurs will be contenders again in 2006-07.
The second school of thought goes like this: The Dallas Mavericks (http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_18276.shtml#) gave the Spurs a run for their money in the race for the best record in the Western Conference, and may have lost out due to injuries more than anything else. If the Mavs are healthy next season can the Spurs, who ultimately lost to a healthy Mavs team in the playoffs, hope to maintain their advantage in the regular season without making any significant improvements?
I know the Spurs are high on Jackie Butler and Francisco Elson, but from a neutral point of view it's hard to understand where there is any advantage here. Rasho was more expensive, so the Spurs saved some money, but if Popovich is going to try to beat the Mavs at their own game instead of forcing them to play Spurs basketball, the end result will be the same - because Pop won't use these centers, either. Nazr was a much better player than either of the new Spurs' big men, yet he couldn't seem to get playing time under Pop's confusing second round rotation. Frankly, the reason Nazr told HOOPSWORLD that he left San Antonio was because he didn't know for sure that he would have a role. Considering the Spurs had just traded away their only other center, that's a significant statement.
The Spurs have not improved yet this summer, and time is running out. Eric Williams is hardly an impact player. Matt Bonner is a great locker room guy, but does he make you a better team? Doubtful. Michael Finley is a year older, Robert Horry looked a decade older in the playoffs, and the highly-touted Fabricio Oberto seemed to be join the forgotten men (Rasho, Nazr) on the end of the bench. So it's safe to say the Spurs have not yet made any major improvements.
What are they waiting for?
Frankly we do have to give them some credit for trying. Francisco Elson was not their first choice - it's just that Ben Wallace, Alonzo Mourning, and even Joel Przybilla (?) all said no. If the Spurs had managed to lure Wallace or Mourning we wouldn't be having this conversation. Instead we'd be singing the praises of the Spurs' front office and marveling at how they always seem to get the best players and be the odds-on favorite to win it all at the beginning of the season. But that's not where we are.
On Friday we learned that the Spurs have thrown their hat in the race to sign the only remaining big-name free agent: Bonzi Wells. The Spurs know better than any other team what Bonzi's value is, as he was the reason some pundits began predicting a first-round loss for the Spurs. Bonzi was nothing short of a Spurs killer in the first round, averaging 23.2 points, shooting 61% from the field and grabbing 12 rebounds per game.
The Spurs are not the front-runners for Wells, but they are now officially on the radar. The question now becomes whether Wells would rather play with his buddy Jermaine O'Neal in Indiana, as was originally planned, or play for a title in San Antonio, Miami, or Detroit.
The Kings are open to a sign-and-trade, meaning the Spurs could unload some of their redundant talent. Brent Barry's name has been mentioned in almost every trade rumor involving the Spurs, but more recently Oberto and Beno Udrih have been on the table in discussions, as well.
One thing's for sure - the Spurs haven't yet made the deal that makes them better than division rival Dallas. The Mavericks have made some nice upgrades, locked Jason Terry in for the foreseeable future, and had a solid draft. They have not been content to stand pat. There is no question they have improved. It may be that Bonzi Wells is the only way left for the Spurs to keep pace with their Texas Triangle rivals.

V2M
07-30-2006, 12:30 AM
I don't see what Spurs might offer that could even remotely interest the Kings?!

nashtymavsfan13
07-30-2006, 12:36 AM
Uh oh, this isn't good :(

Tokey41
07-30-2006, 01:05 AM
No way they land Bonzi even in a S&T... what do they have? Beno and Oberto!? And then a bunch of veterans on the bench, all of whom are declining slowly but clearly. Sacremento wants to get younger and SA isint really going to help that if they want to get younger AND better so I hope they have something else in mind to keep pace with us.

nashtymavsfan13
07-30-2006, 01:13 AM
I hope this doesn't happen, cuz they'll be even tougher with Bonzi. It seems like a longshot though cuz they don't have much to trade that would appeal to the Kings.

mqywaaah
07-30-2006, 01:36 AM
Not if they trade Finley along with the Spurs dancers. That could interest the Maloofs! :)

Nash13
07-30-2006, 01:47 AM
I'd be shocked if he goes to the Spurs. If he does go, then he'll more than likely be the sixth man, and there's a possibility that if he turns into the sixth man, he'll stay that way for the rest of his career. But if he went to Indiana, i'd give them the same shot as Detroit or Miami to get to the finals.

dirno2000
07-30-2006, 01:53 AM
Very unlikely as the Kings are at about $60.5MM and have no intention of paying the luxury tax. The Barry contract would probably push them over. Plus they have plenty of young players at the swing positions and don't really need Barry anyway.

They'd probably have some interest in Oberto but he only makes $2.5MM so he would have to be combined with another player which would push the Kings over the threshold.

It looks like Bonzi screwed himself by passing up the Kings offer if it was f, as reported, for more than the MLE because he's probably not getting that now.

In reterspect I wish we'd have kept out power dry.

Thespiralgoeson
07-30-2006, 05:10 AM
The Spurs got absolutely nothing to offer.

Stick a fork in the Spurs.

fluid.forty.one
07-30-2006, 06:55 AM
The Spurs got absolutely nothing to offer.

Stick a fork in the Spurs.



And thank god.

aexchange
07-30-2006, 10:15 AM
wishful thinking on the spurs part. they have nothing that would remotely interest the queens.

MavsFanFinley
07-30-2006, 11:05 AM
You know with the Mavs and how you read something in the paper like this that it's probably not true? That's how the Spurs FO works too. I doubt they even called about Bonzi.

nah-vit-ski
07-30-2006, 01:49 PM
............and isn't HoopsWorld the worst rumor bball site in the whole Wide Web?

DevinHarriswillstart
07-30-2006, 01:50 PM
This is good for us. Those morons will [probably spend the entire offseason now waiting for Bonzi to decide....then get burned at the last minute. Then what Spurts? Then what?

Dirkenstien
07-30-2006, 10:38 PM
Getting Bonzi would definitely keep the Spurs up to pace with off-season upgrades, but as has already been mentioned before here...it is highly unlikely.

scorched03
07-30-2006, 11:17 PM
The Spurs got absolutely nothing to offer.

Stick a fork in the Spurs.

thank goodness there's no minors. no b.s like the yanks trade for abreau today. spurs have no young'ens but plenty of foreign players from their 2nd rounders..

Drbio
07-30-2006, 11:30 PM
After carefully considering all of the facts and possible permutations of this proposed situation I have come to the conclusion that the Spurts can still suck it.

Dirkenstien
07-31-2006, 12:11 AM
After carefully considering all of the facts and possible permutations of this proposed situation I have come to the conclusion that the Spurts can still suck it.


Here Here!

mqywaaah
07-31-2006, 12:44 AM
After carefully considering all of the facts and possible permutations of this proposed situation I have come to the conclusion that the Spurts can still suck it.

LOL

spreedom
07-31-2006, 12:51 AM
The Spurs can't afford him unless he signs for the vet. minimum.. but I wouldn't even do that if I was him. His best years are still likely ahead of him, so he might as well take the money and run while he still has the chance.

Does Indy still have the full MLE left? They could be scary looking next year if that's the case.

O'Neal
Harrington
Jackson
Wells
Tinsley

Looks about as good as any other starting 5 in the East to me..

u2sarajevo
07-31-2006, 12:56 AM
After spending the last 4 days in San Antone.........

and having to see Spurs garbage EVERYWHERE just about......

I just want to give a big ol the SPURS CAN SUCK IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

****And on an unrelated note...... the San Antonio newspaper has beaten the Austin and Houston rags as the most liberal I've seen in Texas. Well today at least.... one article equated Bush retiring from Presidency and going to his "brush covered" Crawford, Texas ranch with Hussein hiding out in his spider-hole.....?????

sike
07-31-2006, 09:07 AM
heart skipped a beat reading the thread title...

I'd still love Wells here.

fluid.forty.one
07-31-2006, 06:54 PM
Wells is trouble.

Tokey41
07-31-2006, 11:33 PM
The Spurs can't afford him unless he signs for the vet. minimum.. but I wouldn't even do that if I was him. His best years are still likely ahead of him, so he might as well take the money and run while he still has the chance.

Does Indy still have the full MLE left? They could be scary looking next year if that's the case.

O'Neal
Harrington
Jackson
Wells
Tinsley

Looks about as good as any other starting 5 in the East to me..

If they all stay healthy and active the whole season i'll be surpised... and it seems like forever since that was the case. If they land Wells that division will rival the Southwest as the most competitive. Tough question really, I mean we all know DAL and SA will come out 1 and 2 in the SW and its a little more open out there, does that make it more competitive? I still think we have better teams overall though and make it a tougher division.

birdsanctuary
08-01-2006, 12:24 AM
The Squirts need to get younger not OLDER. Wake up Squirts you are on the decline...!

sike
08-01-2006, 12:40 AM
their supporting cast is old...but Duncan, Manu, and Parker are young enough.

fluid.forty.one
08-01-2006, 07:12 AM
considering duncans health problems (even though they went away during the playoffs somehow), he can be considered old in my book.

sike
08-01-2006, 09:27 AM
injuries are never a sure thing...and considering his playoff run against the Mavs last season, I'd say he still has a good bit of "crazy good" left in the tank...

fluid.forty.one
08-01-2006, 09:49 AM
hope not

sike
08-01-2006, 09:53 AM
hope not
me too, but lets not be foolishly navie.

fluid.forty.one
08-01-2006, 09:54 AM
me too, but lets not be foolishly navie.


why not? people are foolishly naive about dirk every year, when is it going to be our turn?

spreedom
08-01-2006, 10:35 AM
No one's ever said that Dirk was "old" or done before.. he's been regarded as a top 10 player since like 2002..

MavsFanFinley
08-01-2006, 10:39 AM
Obviously everything centers around Duncan but the big quesiton mark is whether or not Ginobli bounces back. I don't just mean the boneheaded plays but whether he can stay healthy enough.

Drbio
08-01-2006, 10:43 AM
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g194/drbio/manu.jpg

The only bounce that Ginobili will be doing this year is bouncing on gorilla laps.

fluid.forty.one
08-01-2006, 10:47 AM
No one's ever said that Dirk was "old" or done before.. he's been regarded as a top 10 player since like 2002..


People underrate dirk all the time, last year was the first time i've seen him get some respect.

Dirkenstien
08-01-2006, 11:35 AM
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g194/drbio/manu.jpg

The only bounce that Ginobili will be doing this year is bouncing on gorilla laps.

Sometimes it can be embarrassing to randomly laugh out loud in the midst of a quiet computer lab. This didn't help.

Drbio
08-01-2006, 04:38 PM
I guess I owe you one. ;)

:D

The Crippler
08-01-2006, 04:50 PM
I hope he does go there....he will spread his cancer all over SA. This would make my day/week/year.

fluid.forty.one
08-01-2006, 04:50 PM
Has bonzi made a decision yet?

DelNegro
08-01-2006, 05:23 PM
No, and whenever he does it won't be the Spurs. Any S&T deal puts the kings over the lux tax so they're not going to be interested unless it's just an absolute sweetheart of a deal which probably involves Kenny Thomas and his bad contract tagging along wherever Bonzi goes.

The Spurs have the LLE and they'll probably make the token phonecall to try and sell Bonzi a story about taking the LLE for 1 year, helping the Spurs win a title and being an unrestricted FA again next year when more teams will have capspace, but Bonzi appears to be all about the $$$ so if he's going to sign a 1 year deal he'd probably be looking for someone's full MLE.

The Spurs next move is probably to wait and see who the Pacers cut out of Marshall & Powell and go after one, or both, of them.

nashtymavsfan13
08-08-2006, 03:22 AM
Any more news on Bonzi? Looks like he made a mistake rejecting the Kings' offer....

MavKikiNYC
08-08-2006, 08:08 AM
The Spurs next move is probably to wait and see who the Pacers cut out of Marshall & Powell and go after one, or both, of them.

Would be nice to see if Marshall could develop into something with the Spurs.

kingmalaki
08-13-2006, 10:12 PM
Ugh, I hope this doesn't happen. SA with Wells as a sixth man would be scary. The Spurs will be scary enough already if everyone is healthy next year.

capitalcity
08-13-2006, 10:55 PM
Ugh, I hope this doesn't happen. SA with Wells as a sixth man would be scary. The Spurs will be scary enough already if everyone is healthy next year.Yep. Old people are scary.

And they smell funny.

MavsX
08-14-2006, 11:40 AM
spurs = joke

George Gervin
08-14-2006, 11:54 AM
spurs = joke


Or the winningest proffessional franchise in the last 10 yrs.

mary
08-14-2006, 01:14 PM
Or the winningest proffessional franchise in the last 10 yrs.

The Yankees might have something to say about that....and certainly the Lakers as well.

mmmfast
08-14-2006, 02:23 PM
Or the winningest proffessional franchise in the last 10 yrs.

^^Selective Mathematics?^^

mmmfast
08-14-2006, 04:19 PM
Seriously though, I certainly would not want to see the Bonz in a Spurs uni next year.
People talk alot around here but the fact remains we went to 7 games with them and had a little luck from our superstar and thier hooknose to get past.

nashtymavsfan13
08-14-2006, 05:03 PM
Bonzi won't go to the Spurs. They won't be able to pay him enough, and they have nothing of interest to trade to the Kings.

EricaLubarsky
08-14-2006, 05:54 PM
The Kings will also do everything in their power to make sure Bonzi doesnt go to a Western playoff team. That includes the Mavs.

dude1394
08-14-2006, 07:29 PM
Seriously though, I certainly would not want to see the Bonz in a Spurs uni next year.
People talk alot around here but the fact remains we went to 7 games with them and had a little luck from our superstar and thier hooknose to get past.

Strangely enough, I think we'll handle the skirts pretty well this year. The monkey is off our back. I think we are a better team, period.

nashtymavsfan13
08-14-2006, 08:49 PM
The Kings will also do everything in their power to make sure Bonzi doesnt go to a Western playoff team. That includes the Mavs.

I seriously doubt Bonzi goes to the Spurs or the Mavs, I expect him to take the most money he can get which will prolly be from a terrible team in the East.

Tokey41
08-14-2006, 08:56 PM
My guess is Indy, especially if the Al Harrington thing is off.

nashtymavsfan13
08-14-2006, 09:08 PM
That could be, but it sounds like the Harrington thing is back on. I've seen from two places that it's back on.