View Full Version : Kobe is overrated

04-07-2002, 09:33 AM
Here's the link (http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/columnists/dan_le_batard/3014668.htm)

Miami Herald
Posted on Sun, Apr. 07, 2002

Pro-con: Kobe is good, but clearly not the best

There has been this fashionable myth making its way around basketball, embraced by the lazy who simply like to repeat what they've heard elsewhere, and it states that Kobe Bryant is the game's best player.

The myth excludes Shaquille O'Neal from the equation, giving him the title of ''most dominant'' instead, because Shaq is so much bigger and stronger than everyone else in the league that ''player'' is an understatement and ''monster'' might be, too.

Bryant, a champion, is excellent and versatile and nice (when he isn't punching people), but he's something else, too: overrated.

Not terribly overrated because he's very good, but overrated nonetheless if you think he's the game's best player. Because there are at least half a dozen players who could put up Kobe numbers, and better, if they had the absurd luxury of playing with Shaq.

I'm sure this is blasphemy to all the marketing people making sneakers and Sprite for Kobe, but among the group of players I'd rather have than their spokesperson is Tracy McGrady, Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Chris Webber and maybe even Gary Payton, to name a few.

It is impossible to overstate how much Bryant benefits from having Shaq swallow double- and triple-teams. The floor opens up for him in a way it doesn't for, say, McGrady and Pierce and even Shareef Abdur-Rahim, none of whom has real big-man help.

Those three all put up Kobe-like numbers and they do this without Shaq's help, mind you. Bryant passes a little better than, say, McGrady (5.5 assists per game to 5.3) but, again, even that is skewed by the 7-1, 350 pounds of assistance he gets that McGrady doesn't. Even Jeff Miller would have five assists a game if he were passing to Shaq -- which he wouldn't be because Miller is a selfish ballhog, but Shaq would push him down and take the ball five times a game, thus giving Miller his five assists.

Doesn't it stand to reason that they (McGrady, Pierce and Abdur-Rahim, not Miller) would be even better with Shaq's presence in the middle? As it is, all their shooting percentages are right up there with Bryant's even without Shaq's help.

The easiest job in basketball is being Shaq's teammate, which is how the Rick Foxes and Robert Horrys of the world stay relevant.

Bryant is not the player defenses worry about stopping first when they play the Lakers, not unless Shaq is out of the lineup, at which point the Lakers tend to become a .500 team.

Remember Penny Hardaway? He was supposed to be the next Michael Jordan, right? You saw what happened to Hardaway when he left Shaq's side, right? His career hit the ground as if a puppeteer had let go of the strings. Shaq inflated his value, made him look better than he was, far better.

Remember Scottie Pippen? He was, absurdly, named one of the greatest 50 players in NBA history. People were fooled by how much he was helped by playing next to that Jordan guy. You saw what Pippen really was when he flopped in Houston and is now just another guy in Portland.

Bryant? Maybe not as much as Hardaway and Pippen, but he'll get exposed, too, if he ever leaves Shaq's side.

04-07-2002, 11:49 AM
Good article. I dont agree, but still a good article. The Hardaway and Pippen comments are correct, but the Kobe take is hard to swallow. Does Shaq make Kobe better- Yes, he would make anyone better. Would Kobe have worse numbers if Shaq was off the team? NO. The lakers would be much much worse of a team, but Kobes numbers would actually probably be better. He would have to score more, which he could do. I know you cant alway judge talent in an all-star game- but who was the best player out there this year? KOBE- without question. That had a collection of the best players in the World-Period. And they might not care who wins, but personal pride takes over and they are out to prove a point. Jordan had some awsome all-star games, as did Bird, Magic,etc...all the great ones. The cream rises to the top, as they say. Of course, we may never know who is correct- I dont feel you can judge Kobe on games Shaq is out- i think he would have to play a whole season without him, and who knows if that will ever happen?

I am probably too "pro-Kobe"- I just feel he is the best out there...

04-07-2002, 02:24 PM
Make no mistake about it....I hate that punk Kobe. However, to say he is overrated is a stretch. He has mad skills and plays hard every night. He is an intelligent guy and to demonstrate that, strike up a conversation with him in either english, italian, french or greek if you can. He will follow you all the way. The guy has good business sense, etc. No doubting his smarts or athletic ability. I just don't like him. His attitude pisses me off and he is a pompous sonofabitch. But I have a hrad time calling him overrated. Does he get too much credit sometime? Absolutely, but great players get the benefit of the doubt because they are great players.

04-07-2002, 06:28 PM
Kobe overrated?


04-07-2002, 09:43 PM
See Drbio's post on trade value- and what it says about KOBE....any questions?

04-07-2002, 10:23 PM
This article is out of line, While I agree that Kobe can be overrated, this guy doesen't know much about Basketball. Especially if he's comparing one trick ponies like Pierce and Abdur-Rahim to Kobe Bryant. Nothing is more revealing than his comments on Scottie Pippen. Only naive sports journalists who have never picked up a basketball for any other reason than to throw it back on the court think Pippen did little more than ride Jordan's coat-tails or that Bryant isn't as good as either Webber,Pierce or Abdur-Rahim. These are the same people that confidently predicted that the Kobester would be decimated by the all powerful twin towers in the WC Finals. when the reality is that Pippen with his sheer defensive versatility, rebounding, playmaking and scoring capability, is one of the 50 greatest players of all time. To call Kobe Bryant anything less than the best guard in the game is doing him an injustice.

04-07-2002, 11:00 PM
Dude, that is <u>totally</u> out of line. Make your point, but to make light of 9-11 to make an analogy to sports is totally in poor taste.

04-08-2002, 12:05 AM
That was completely out of line epitome. I cannot believe anyone would show that kind of disrespect in public.

I edited your post and removed the line from yours too Doc.

**Sorry, I mentioned Scooters name previously, before someone corrected me.**

04-08-2002, 07:23 AM
no problem MFF..that should have been removed.