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endrity
03-26-2007, 07:11 PM
here's all i can get as of right now

magic @ knicks
mms://a1575.l2035344255.c20353.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/1575/20353/v0001/reflector:44251

raptors@celts
mms://a1575.l2035344255.c20353.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/1575/20353/v0001/reflector:44216

rmacomic
03-26-2007, 07:19 PM
You keep posting these on the gameday thread and you can be my friend.

endrity
03-26-2007, 07:20 PM
yeah let's hope I can keep finding them
I guess if you play with the last two digits of the reflector number you can find other games, so help me out guys, start searching for those last two digits. It should be the same thing for mavs games

roxfan55
03-26-2007, 07:29 PM
whoa exactly how do u do this? This is another way..

http://www.myp2p.eu/TVUPlayer.htm

Hawks @ Heat 7.30 EST channel number 54268
Nuggets @ Pistons 7.30 EST channel number 20324
Bucks @ Rockets 8.30 EST channel number 10007
Spurs @ Warriors 10.30 EST channel number 54268

endrity
03-26-2007, 07:30 PM
We all know the p2p thing but the live streams are soooo much better, and really that's all the information you will get since dewsaw screwed us over yesterday by making too much info public

roxfan55
03-26-2007, 07:34 PM
humm anyways, thanks this is a great find

endrity
03-26-2007, 07:40 PM
Rockets and bucks, dedicated to you roxfan but please don't make it too public

mms://a1575.l2035344255.c20353.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/1575/20353/v0001/reflector:44229

roxfan55
03-26-2007, 07:40 PM
rockets and bucks, dedicated to you roxfan but please don't make it too public

mms://a1575.l2035344255.c20353.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/1575/20353/v0001/reflector:44229

thanks, not a problem

endrity
03-26-2007, 07:59 PM
i was hoping more people would be exited about this

endrity
03-26-2007, 08:07 PM
also, i guess you can watch denver kick detroit's ass on tvu right now, denver is looking very good boys, they will scare someone in the playoffs this year and be a contender next year.

endrity
03-26-2007, 08:09 PM
here are some more

Washington@Utah
mms://a1575.l2035344255.c20353.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/1575/20353/v0001/reflector:44282

Portland@Chicago
mms://a1575.l2035344255.c20353.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/1575/20353/v0001/reflector:44341

nowhereman
03-26-2007, 08:44 PM
MSG is dead. isn't this a crucial playoff matchup?

in other news, JJ Redick is pretty good.. as long as he's not driving recklessly. if you know what i mean.

The Crippler
03-26-2007, 08:44 PM
endrity, once again, you are the f'n man.

endrity
03-26-2007, 08:45 PM
hopefully we will have the links to the spurs and suns later on as those are the teams we are really interested in today

endrity
03-26-2007, 08:46 PM
MSG is dead. isn't this a crucial playoff matchup?

in other news, JJ Redick is pretty good.. as long as he's not driving recklessly. if you know what i mean.
i hope we can get darko away from the magic next year, they have no idea on how to use him and I still believe all the potential, I saw what he did in the world championships

endrity
03-26-2007, 08:46 PM
endrity, once again, you are the f'n man.
thank you sir

nowhereman
03-26-2007, 08:47 PM
endrity, once again, you are the f'n man.

agreed!

The Crippler
03-26-2007, 08:51 PM
MSG is dead. isn't this a crucial playoff matchup?

in other news, JJ Redick is pretty good.. as long as he's not driving recklessly. if you know what i mean.

No doubt, Reddick is not bad at all. If you can shoot it like he can, they'll find a place for you.

endrity
03-26-2007, 08:53 PM
In other news denver is about to win in detroit, watching it in TVU
chauncey just missed a ft, he is a choker then

The Crippler
03-26-2007, 08:58 PM
In other news denver is about to win in detroit, watching it in TVU
chauncey just missed a ft, he is a choker then

The more games that Denver wins the better in my opinion to secure them in the #6 or #7 spot. I'd rather play Clipps, GS or the Hornets and don't want Denver slipping to 8...

The Crippler
03-26-2007, 09:02 PM
HOLY SHIT!!! Sheed just drained from past half court to tie the game. Probably 15 feet beyond half court.

Wow! what a shot!

endrity
03-26-2007, 09:03 PM
Oh we will not play Denver in the first round, that is almost sealed at this point. I hope they play Suns..... oh man Sheed.... from beyond halfcourt... we are going to overtime

nowhereman
03-26-2007, 09:04 PM
jameer nelson = super clutch.

nowhereman
03-26-2007, 09:04 PM
also, NY got jobbed on a no call goaltend by d-ho.

endrity
03-26-2007, 09:05 PM
jameer nelson = super clutch.
that was HUGE, and no TO left

nowhereman
03-26-2007, 09:05 PM
sheed probably thinks he deserves MVP now.

richard_
03-26-2007, 09:07 PM
clear goaltend, how do you not call that

Dirkadirkastan
03-26-2007, 09:08 PM
I can't get this game to play

Flacolaco
03-26-2007, 09:08 PM
here are some more

Washington@Utah
mms://a1575.l2035344255.c20353.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/1575/20353/v0001/reflector:44282

Portland@Chicago
mms://a1575.l2035344255.c20353.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/1575/20353/v0001/reflector:44341

thanks for these.

where'd you find them?

Flacolaco
03-26-2007, 09:09 PM
oh and if anyone finds one to SA @ GS....that would be awesome

The Crippler
03-26-2007, 09:09 PM
I can't get this game to play

which one dirka?

Dirkadirkastan
03-26-2007, 09:10 PM
I can't get this game to play

nvm

Flacolaco
03-26-2007, 09:10 PM
I wonder what phoenix will do to memphis tonight to follow up their loss.

endrity
03-26-2007, 09:11 PM
the pistons are shooting a lot of open jumpers and missing them

The Crippler
03-26-2007, 09:11 PM
oh and if anyone finds one to SA @ GS....that would be awesome

no doubt.

nowhereman
03-26-2007, 09:11 PM
howard with a monster block on nate. who inexplicably took 15 seconds to shoot a 2 when they were down by 3. new york sucks.

the nba. it's faaaaantastic.

The Crippler
03-26-2007, 09:12 PM
and I was wondering what the hell I was going to do tonight with no Mavs on...

this is great.

endrity
03-26-2007, 09:15 PM
everybody, just play with the reflector numbers you might find the games before I do

nowhereman
03-26-2007, 09:15 PM
is it too late to reinsert nene into my fantasy lineup?

also - the piston's D is damn overrated.

The Crippler
03-26-2007, 09:15 PM
I'm looking for the suns/grizz game now as well...

endrity
03-26-2007, 09:16 PM
is it too late to reinsert nene into my fantasy lineup?

also - the piston's D is damn overrated.
I have been a huge fan of Nene since he came into the league, I still am, he is a monster and to think he has missed so much time with the knee injuries. And this year, the pistons's D is nowhere what it used to be.

JR Smith had a great game... until that shot

endrity
03-26-2007, 09:18 PM
Memphis@Phoenix
mms://a1575.l2035344255.c20353.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/1575/20353/v0001/reflector:44257

The Crippler
03-26-2007, 09:21 PM
Memphis@Phoenix
mms://a1575.l2035344255.c20353.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/1575/20353/v0001/reflector:44257


damn, beat me. I was at 253, I think.

endrity
03-26-2007, 09:21 PM
:)

endrity
03-26-2007, 09:22 PM
arghhhhh the pistons won this, unbeliavable the nuggets had this game wrapped up

endrity
03-26-2007, 09:23 PM
even gasol can dominate the suns on the boards

Flacolaco
03-26-2007, 09:23 PM
I want so desperately for the Nuggets to stay in 7th place and play the Suns in round 1

endrity
03-26-2007, 09:25 PM
Got it:
Spurs VS Warriors

mms://a1575.l2035344255.c20353.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/1575/20353/v0001/reflector:44226

I am watching this, I don't think Memphis will offer much of a challenge, they are already thinking Oden or Durant

George Gervin
03-26-2007, 09:29 PM
this is the coolest shit i've seen in a while. is this legal? where did you find these?

Flacolaco
03-26-2007, 09:30 PM
ah man the Warriors play by play guys are a beating....still I guess I shouldn't complain

endrity
03-26-2007, 09:35 PM
this is the coolest shit i've seen in a while. is this legal? where did you find these?
Just enjoy the link, but please don't make it public anywhere. I could post it myself at spurstalk and have not.

The Crippler
03-26-2007, 09:39 PM
this is the coolest shit i've seen in a while. is this legal? where did you find these?

don't ask questions, just enjoy it.

nashtymavsfan13
03-26-2007, 09:53 PM
ah man the Warriors play by play guys are a beating....still I guess I shouldn't complain

I agree, it sucks having to listen to them when I watch Mavs-Warriors games on TV, they are SO biased.

nashtymavsfan13
03-26-2007, 09:59 PM
endrity, you rock. Thanks for the links, could you please post these for Mavs games when you can?

George Gervin
03-26-2007, 10:02 PM
Just enjoy the link, but please don't make it public anywhere. I could post it myself at spurstalk and have not.


cool man.

endrity
03-26-2007, 10:02 PM
oh don't worry Mavs links are the first ones I search for everyday

nashtymavsfan13
03-26-2007, 10:07 PM
oh don't worry Mavs links are the first ones I search for everyday

Nice, thanks :)

chumdawg
03-26-2007, 10:08 PM
Got it:
Spurs VS Warriors

mms://a1575.l2035344255.c20353.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/1575/20353/v0001/reflector:44226

I am watching this, I don't think Memphis will offer much of a challenge, they are already thinking Oden or DurantThe absolute mother of all kick-ass!! Thanks, endrity!!

endrity
03-26-2007, 10:12 PM
Even in a game like this where the spurs are playing almost perfect the warriors can still be dangerous if they get in their rhythm. One thing to learn was how Pop called a timeout after the tempo started to get really high. IF we play them in the playoffs, AJ will have to be really careful with that.

endrity
03-26-2007, 10:23 PM
Spurs pulling ahead, Suns pulling ahead =====> me not happy

nashtymavsfan13
03-26-2007, 10:24 PM
Man, these links are so darn cool. Thanks endrity :)

nashtymavsfan13
03-26-2007, 10:25 PM
Man, Jazz-Wizards is a great game. I've watched the whole 4th so far, right now it's tie game with 3 mins to play.

dirno2000
03-26-2007, 10:25 PM
Even in a game like this where the spurs are playing almost perfect the warriors can still be dangerous if they get in their rhythm. One thing to learn was how Pop called a timeout after the tempo started to get really high. IF we play them in the playoffs, AJ will have to be really careful with that.

Pop would just be wasting his time outs. The difference is, we can play at the Spurs pace.

endrity
03-26-2007, 10:26 PM
Man, Jazz-Wizards is a great game. I've watched the whole 4th so far, right now it's tie game with 3 mins to play.
I might watch that for a little bit

dirno2000
03-26-2007, 10:27 PM
Man, Jazz-Wizards is a great game. I've watched the whole 4th so far, right now it's tie game with 3 mins to play.

I'm watching that one too. Boozer is a monster...39 and 15!

endrity
03-26-2007, 10:28 PM
Pop would just be wasting his time outs. The difference is, we can play at the Spurs pace.
We can, but against them we want to play faster against them

Flacolaco
03-26-2007, 10:29 PM
Come on Utah.... you can do it. Gotta stay ahead of the Rockets and keep home court if they're going to make a series out of it

dirno2000
03-26-2007, 10:30 PM
Jamison is the worst defensive player in the league.

dirno2000
03-26-2007, 10:31 PM
Come on Utah.... you can do it. Gotta stay ahead of the Rockets and keep home court if they're going to make a series out of it

OTOH Washington is battling Miami for home court advantage in the first round. A wizzards loss helps the heat

endrity
03-26-2007, 10:33 PM
Yes more than the Rox, I would like the Heat to struggle.
Fisher can still shoot.

Flacolaco
03-26-2007, 10:35 PM
I see your point. But I really dont want to see Yao and Crazy eye in the 2nd round, and I think Utah has a better chance of beating them in the 1st round if they maintain home court advantage. And the mavs can beat Utah in 5 easy. The Rockets might not be as easy as we'd like.

roxfan55
03-26-2007, 10:36 PM
Yes more than the Rox, I would like the Heat to struggle.
Fisher can still shoot.

None of them are "elite" why do you care. ;)

endrity
03-26-2007, 10:36 PM
That FT Arenas missed was crucial. It would have been a one possesion game.

chumdawg
03-26-2007, 10:37 PM
Jamison is the worst defensive player in the league.Former Mavericks great.

Flacolaco
03-26-2007, 10:37 PM
Arenas is a hoot. I like that guy when the mavs aren't trying to defend him.

endrity
03-26-2007, 10:37 PM
None of them are "elite" why do you care. ;)
Hey I never said anything about the Heat. Dwhistle can take over if the refs want him to. Heart of a champion, you should know all about it.

chumdawg
03-26-2007, 10:41 PM
Is Finley looking like a guy who we should have paid to go play for our rival?

dude1394
03-26-2007, 10:43 PM
Is Finley looking like a guy who we should have paid to go play for our rival?

Yes...he's got no place on the mavs now.

Flacolaco
03-26-2007, 10:43 PM
Is Finley looking like a guy who we should have paid to go play for our rival?

I was thinking the same. (to be fair some nights the answer to that question is definitely yes)

Spurs shooting 78% in the quarter.

chumdawg
03-26-2007, 10:44 PM
Damn, 73 in a half!?!?!

dirno2000
03-26-2007, 10:44 PM
Is Finley looking like a guy who we should have paid to go play for our rival?

Well, technically we just paid him to get out of Dallas. The rest was up to him. But yea, it did almost bite us in the ass last year.

On a somewhat related note, how about him choosing S.A. over Miami to stick it to Cuban?

chumdawg
03-26-2007, 10:45 PM
Yes...he's got no place on the mavs now.Well, of course not. He's got a place on the Spurs now.

That was kinda the point.

Flacolaco
03-26-2007, 10:45 PM
Damn, 73 in a half!?!?!

geez for Milwaukee sometimes thats a whole nights work.

What do you think Nellie does at half time when the other team score 73 on you already?

nowhereman
03-26-2007, 10:49 PM
geez for Milwaukee sometimes thats a whole nights work.

What do you think Nellie does at half time when the other team score 73 on you already?

puts up a banner that says how many dunks and layups they had?

DelNegro
03-26-2007, 10:50 PM
geez for Milwaukee sometimes thats a whole nights work.

What do you think Nellie does at half time when the other team score 73 on you already?

What Nellie's always done. Put more shooters on the floor and yell at his guys for not scoring 74.

endrity
03-26-2007, 10:51 PM
he says they can't beat the pismo beach panthers

Flacolaco
03-26-2007, 10:51 PM
The Rockets and Jazz meet 2 more times this season apparently, In addition to the 6 or 7 times they'll meet after that in round 1. Sounds like the makings of a good series.

chumdawg
03-26-2007, 10:51 PM
Well, technically we just paid him to get out of Dallas. The rest was up to him. But yea, it did almost bite us in the ass last year.

On a somewhat related note, how about him choosing S.A. over Miami to stick it to Cuban?Good call, I guess.

Another thing that was lost last year when Dirk got the and-one to push us over the edge was the big three Finley made with about a minute left, to set up that potential gamewinner by Ginobli. Man, I don't know any self-respecting Mavs fans could have handled two years in a row being hoist on our own petard.

Flacolaco
03-26-2007, 10:52 PM
he says they can't beat the pismo beach panthers

swish

chumdawg
03-26-2007, 10:54 PM
geez for Milwaukee sometimes thats a whole nights work.

What do you think Nellie does at half time when the other team score 73 on you already?Add spice and stir!

endrity
03-26-2007, 10:54 PM
Good call, I guess.

Another thing that was lost last year when Dirk got the and-one to push us over the edge was the big three Finley made with about a minute left, to set up that potential gamewinner by Ginobli. Man, I don't know any self-respecting Mavs fans could have handled two years in a row being hoist on our own petard.
Oh I remember, I almost threw up. I hit the tv with an empty bottle of mountain dew.

rakesh.s
03-26-2007, 10:54 PM
if there were some way to run through all the links and just screw with the reflector part with a program to check if there's video or audio data, that would be cool...

endrity -- nice work man, but i can't imagine that you're enjoying sitting around and trying link after link.

dude1394
03-26-2007, 10:55 PM
Yea the mavs and cubes have really stunk it up letting finley/nash go. Ever since then they've been in the tank.

endrity
03-26-2007, 10:58 PM
if there were some way to run through all the links and just screw with the reflector part with a program to check if there's video or audio data, that would be cool...

endrity -- nice work man, but i can't imagine that you're enjoying sitting around and trying link after link.
don't worry, I didn't

dirno2000
03-26-2007, 10:58 PM
Good call, I guess.

Another thing that was lost last year when Dirk got the and-one to push us over the edge was the big three Finley made with about a minute left, to set up that potential gamewinner by Ginobli. Man, I don't know any self-respecting Mavs fans could have handled two years in a row being hoist on our own petard.

Yea, that's what I meant by it almost bit us in the ass. Fin played as consistently well in that series as he did in any series here.

If they can't get a similar effort from him or someone else in May/June, they're going to have a tough time.

chumdawg
03-26-2007, 10:59 PM
Yea the mavs and cubes have really stunk it up letting finley/nash go. Ever since then they've been in the tank.If "in the tank" means minus a ring or two...you're right, sadly enough.

endrity
03-26-2007, 11:00 PM
Yea, that's what I meant by it almost bit us in the ass. Fin played as consistently well in that series as he did in any series here.

If they can't get a similar effort from him or someone else in May/June, they're going to have a tough time.
It's alright, they got Elson, the Dirk stopper.

endrity
03-26-2007, 11:01 PM
If "in the tank" means minus a ring or two...you're right, sadly enough.
Please, this is not the time to reopen this theme. Why is it that every thread ends up at this point. We have done well without Nash and Finley, let's move on. The team has grown to something totally new, which it would not have with the other guys around.

dude1394
03-26-2007, 11:06 PM
It's the one thing I agreed with the "doc's" about chum. He just can't let it go. Damn...it's tiresome pining for the past.

dude1394
03-26-2007, 11:07 PM
If "in the tank" means minus a ring or two...you're right, sadly enough.

yea if we only had finley last year, we'd have won it all. Good grief, what a broken record.

endrity
03-26-2007, 11:08 PM
alright, stop it, all of us

chumdawg
03-26-2007, 11:08 PM
It's the one thing I agreed with the "doc's" about chum. He just can't let it go. Damn...it's tiresome pining for the past.If it were in the past that would be nice. As it is, Enemies number One and Two have the two guys who we decided to part with.

It's not going to be "past" for a good long time, bro.

chumdawg
03-26-2007, 11:10 PM
yea if we only had finley last year, we'd have won it all. Good grief, what a broken record.Good grief, you don't think we could have used a little perimeter shooting?

It would be nice if you could be as objective as you demand me to be.

dude1394
03-26-2007, 11:10 PM
If it were in the past that would be nice. As it is, Enemies number One and Two have the two guys who we decided to part with.

It's not going to be "past" for a good long time, bro.

obviously when I can't see a nellie, suns, spurts game without you dragging it out of the mud again. I'm surprised that we don't hear the same crap about griffin, najera and daniels.

dude1394
03-26-2007, 11:11 PM
Good grief, you don't think we could have used a little perimeter shooting?

It would be nice if you could be as objective as you demand me to be.

I am being objective. If finley were on this team two years ago, there wouldn't be a certain dirkster on it imo. It's not video games, we tried that once.

The mavs (cubes, donnie, aj) thought that letting finley go they could still be better and save a lot of cash and they were right. That's as objective as it gets.

chumdawg
03-26-2007, 11:21 PM
I am being objective. If finley were on this team two years ago, there wouldn't be a certain dirkster on it imo.
Every time I hear someone throw that argument out, I grimace at how much they underestimate Dirk Nowitzki.

Dtownsfinest
03-26-2007, 11:22 PM
Fin's still my favorite player in the league but my only complaint with the release of him is that we were still going to have to pay him for the remainder of his contract which was what? 3 more years? And that last year I can't imagine a team not wanting to clear cap space and try and obtain his contract. I'm over losing Fin and Nash now but can't say that I don't miss the old times. But can't say that I don't love watching this current team try to do what no other Mavs team could do in franchise history.

Fin's having a hell of a game. Had 14 in 11 minutes. He's been coming along as of late. Spurs fans should be happy to see that.

Dtownsfinest
03-26-2007, 11:23 PM
Damn now he's at 20 in 15 minutes shooting 90% from the field. He's beasting.

nashtymavsfan13
03-26-2007, 11:24 PM
Wow, the Warriors are getting absolutley owned.

nashtymavsfan13
03-26-2007, 11:26 PM
Geez, Jrich with 0 points on 0-7 shooting...ouch.

Dtownsfinest
03-26-2007, 11:27 PM
Is that THE JAMES WHITE playing? Game must be over lol.

dude1394
03-26-2007, 11:29 PM
Every time I hear someone throw that argument out, I grimace at how much they underestimate Dirk Nowitzki.

I'm not underestimating dirk at all. I'm just acknowledging what I think are dynamics in their personalities, relationships and acceptance of ultimate responsibilities. More than one person has commented that dirk had to finally realize that the teams success was on his shoulders and his alone. Not steves, not mikes, his.

It's not a detriment to him that when you have other's that have held control of the team for so long that he would defer to them. Dirk NEEDED last year to be the only guy who could really score on the team when they needed one. He needed to be double-teamed all of the time and to have to learn to take it inside or his team would LOSE. It was necessary.

And imo it wouldn't have gotten through to him if steve and mike were still here, it just wouldn't.

He didn't do it when they were here did he? Not that I recall.

And it's a convenient way to not argue the success they've had since.

Dtownsfinest
03-26-2007, 11:33 PM
I think Dirk taking a leadership role had nothing to do with Nash and Fin's departure. I think it had more to do with Nellie's departure and Dirk getting better with age. He was what? 24 or 25 when Nash and Fin were here? That's relatively young to expect a guy to lead your team. And the team currently has Jerry Stackhouse who's a lot more aggressive vocally tehn Nash and Fin ever were. If Fin and Nash had so much to do with Dirk taking more of a backseat leadership role than i'd believe the same would happen with Stack here.

dirno2000
03-26-2007, 11:37 PM
Fin's last two years have been the worst of his career. He's clearly on the decline and like dude said, would have no place here. He caught lightning in a bottle in the playoffs last year but it still wasn't good enough and it probably won't be this year either. Not sure why we'd lament his loss other than the fact that he's a good good guy. Well look out that window.

dude1394
03-26-2007, 11:38 PM
Possibly..but I don't buy it. Finley was still the second gun on the team before he left. He was still taking the second most shots on the team and was the unquestioned leader of the team imo.

Many people have to have to be shoved out of their ruts for change to occur. People don't like change. It was a good thing to re-make the team in dirks image. Letting stevie go for nothing was a crime, letting mike go had to occur imo.

chumdawg
03-26-2007, 11:38 PM
I'm not underestimating dirk at all. I'm just acknowledging what I think are dynamics in their personalities, relationships and acceptance of ultimate responsibilities. More than one person has commented that dirk had to finally realize that the teams success was on his shoulders and his alone. Not steves, not mikes, his.

It's not a detriment to him that when you have other's that have held control of the team for so long that he would defer to them. Dirk NEEDED last year to be the only guy who could really score on the team when they needed one. He needed to be double-teamed all of the time and to have to learn to take it inside or his team would LOSE. It was necessary.

And imo it wouldn't have gotten through to him if steve and mike were still here, it just wouldn't.

He didn't do it when they were here did he? Not that I recall.

And it's a convenient way to not argue the success they've had since.Gimme a break, dude. You make Dirk sound like a mental midget. Not to mention that this year--and in the last couple years--there have been huge games where Terry and/or Howard and/or Harris carried the team to victory. Honestly, in '05, would the Mavs have won against Houston without Terry? The line of argument that says Dirk needs to be a one-man-team is a little crazy.

Especially since that's kinda what happened in the Finals, when we lost four games in a row.

So I'm sorry, but to suggest that Dirk does better without a sidekick (which I don't understand, because he has and has always had sidekicks) makes no sense to me at all.

Or...perhaps you can point to how well Kobe is doing without his sidekick. Perhaps you can imagine DWade without Shaq, or vice versa. Gimme a break. That's psychobabble. It is precisely BECAUSE Dirk was a one-man show that the Heat were able to hold us off last year.

But, puhhlease, let's not hear this talk about how Dirk can't play beside another strong player. I think we all know he is stronger than that. And for that matter, he has proven it. You can talk all you want about the success we've had since Finley/Nash were jettisoned, but we had just the same success with them here (which is to say, we played one series for it all).

chumdawg
03-26-2007, 11:40 PM
Possibly..but I don't buy it. Finley was still the second gun on the team before he left. He was still taking the second most shots on the team and was the unquestioned leader of the team imo.Fin was FIFTH on the team in FGA in the '05 playoffs.

Flacolaco
03-26-2007, 11:42 PM
whatever. Jet and Josh are monsters. Definitely.

But maybe it was in Dirks head. Maybe Nash and Fin were mental obstacles to overcome. Whatever it was..... doesn't matter. Dirk is Dirk.

the thing that matters is Avery Johnson. And Avery Johnson couldn't do what Avery Johnson does with Nash and Fin here. you'll never convince me otherwise. All the success last year and this, I thank Avery for.

endrity
03-26-2007, 11:44 PM
Chum, I will respectfully disagree. Last year's team and of course this year's are way better than anyone with Nash and Fin around. Would we be better with them around? That is very hypothetical. But the fact is we are better than we were, and that we can't discuss. I am not implying that the reason we are better is because Nash and Fin are not around, not at all. There are many reasons why we are better, one of which is Damp as well as JET and Howard growing in their roles. To say that we would win with Nash and Fin still around is just as hypothetical as the rest of us saying we are better because they left. We don't know. But let's enjoy the current ride, because we are most likely going to win a championship here very soon.

dude1394
03-26-2007, 11:44 PM
I'm not saying that dirk CAN'T play beside a strong player. I just do not feel that he could shake himself out of the idea that it was mike's team. People stay in their safe places all of the time, all of the time. It's why people stay in jobs they don't particularly like, but when forced to move, they can move to a better place, with even more success. I don't think it's much different from an athelete quite frankly. You can call it psychobabble, I call it life and I've seen it way too many times, been exposed to it as well.

Dirk can play with any player now, but it's unquestionably his team now. He IS the face of the franchise and their leader. Whether jason/stack/josh carried the team to victory in a certain game is irrelevant. Of course they do, they wouldn't win 60 games if they didn't. Pretty silly argument. Ginobbli/parker lead the spurs sometimes but it's duncans team.

u2sarajevo
03-26-2007, 11:44 PM
endrity is the man....

the warriors are not, however...

Flacolaco
03-26-2007, 11:45 PM
endrity is the man....

the warriors are not, however...

like I said earlier. I'm sure Avery's watching this one

Dtownsfinest
03-26-2007, 11:45 PM
Fin's last two years have been the worst of his career. He's clearly on the decline and like dude said, would have no place here. He caught lightning in a bottle in the playoffs last year but it still wasn't good enough and it probably won't be this year either. Not sure why we'd lament his loss other than the fact that he's a good good guy. Well look out that window.


They've been the worst of his career but not because of his play. It has more to do with him getting 20 minutes per game rather than the 40 he got in Dallas. He had a stellar post season last year. This year statisically his stats aren't really appealing but as of late it looks as if he's starting to gear up for the post season. Its hard to get a grasp from how good a player is on the Spurs statisically because there starters play in the 30-32 minute range and the bench is in the 18-20 range. Makes you wonder if they will benefit from come post season. This is there second straight game beating a team by 40 minutes. That's 80 points in 2 nights. That has to be some sort of record.

dude1394
03-26-2007, 11:46 PM
You can talk all you want about the success we've had since Finley/Nash were jettisoned, but we had just the same success with them here (which is to say, we played one series for it all).

Your opinion, that team wasn't anywhere near as good as the spurts that year.

chumdawg
03-26-2007, 11:46 PM
the thing that matters is Avery Johnson. And Avery Johnson couldn't do what Avery Johnson does with Nash and Fin here. you'll never convince me otherwise. All the success last year and this, I thank Avery for.If that's the case, it doesn't say much for Avery Johnson. In fact, that's prima facia evidence for D'Antoni to be COY, wouldn't you say?

dude1394
03-26-2007, 11:48 PM
Fin was FIFTH on the team in FGA in the '05 playoffs.

Nice cherry-pick. Finley took 907 shots in '05 to jason's/joshs 743, 79?.
Maybe his failure to show up in the playoffs is what caused cubes/donnie/aj to think they should let him go as well.

chumdawg
03-26-2007, 11:50 PM
Your opinion, that team wasn't anywhere near as good as the spurts that year.Please. They came off a grueling seven-game series against a brutal opponent--CLEARLY in the top three of the league--and then they won a WCF playoff game on the road against a rested team. Then they lost their best player to injury while playing the home games. Then Finley--this guy who "doesn't have a place here"--strapped the team on his freakin' back to win ANOTHER road game against those Spurs.

And you say that with Dirk we didn't have a chance. For shame, for shame, for shame.

u2sarajevo
03-26-2007, 11:51 PM
I don't understand what happens to some posters that were true blue fans..... and then something changes.... like Bayliss did for awhile (although he doesn't post here anymore). There are more, but I can't remember their names (chiwas but that was a najera thing). It's like when a specific subject comes up (which for them is THE subject) you can just read the bitterness in their words.

For the love of God we have a great team. We have a great coach. We have a great owner. Enjoy it. Or don't... but please don't bring the rest of us down with you.

Or is that the goal? If you aren't happy no one else is going to be either, by God!?

dude1394
03-26-2007, 11:51 PM
Please. They came off a grueling seven-game series against a brutal opponent--CLEARLY in the top three of the league--and then they won a WCF playoff game on the road against a rested team. Then they lost their best player to injury while playing the home games. Then Finley--this guy who "doesn't have a place here"--strapped the team on his freakin' back to win ANOTHER road game against those Spurs.

And you say that with Dirk we didn't have a chance. For shame, for shame, for shame.

Whatever chum..Again it's your opinion and you can have it. I saw how we had to triple-team tim duncan that series and the way we had to hit 50-51 fts to get a win. I wanted that team to stay together as well but we weren't as good as the spurs then, we just weren't. We had a punchers chance imo.

chumdawg
03-26-2007, 11:52 PM
Nice cherry-pick. Finley took 907 shots in '05 to jason's/joshs 743, 79?.
Maybe his failure to show up in the playoffs is what caused cubes/donnie/aj to think they should let him go as well.You can take Donnie out of that mix, since he was "punched in the gut" when Cuban decided not to pay the freight on Nash.

Windmill360
03-26-2007, 11:52 PM
*CoughNoDEFENSECough*

dude1394
03-26-2007, 11:53 PM
Please. They came off a grueling seven-game series against a brutal opponent--CLEARLY in the top three of the league--and then they won a WCF playoff game on the road against a rested team. Then they lost their best player to injury while playing the home games. Then Finley--this guy who "doesn't have a place here"--strapped the team on his freakin' back to win ANOTHER road game against those Spurs.

And you say that with Dirk we didn't have a chance. For shame, for shame, for shame.

They came off grueling 7 game series of their own makings for the most part. If I recall they were up 3-0 against portland and let it go 7 and then they did have to beat the kings without weber. If you are going to say that having dirk would have gotten us over the top against the spurs, then you've got to give the kings the same benefit don't you?

Flacolaco
03-26-2007, 11:54 PM
Its unfathomable that anyone who is a mavericks fan would express one iota of negativity towards Avery Johnson

u2sarajevo
03-26-2007, 11:55 PM
Its unfathomable that anyone who is a mavericks fan would express one iota of negativity towards Avery JohnsonAnd here comes the "How dare thee question my ability to take an objective look at my teams coach", or something along those lines....

Or your post will be ignored like mine was...

dude1394
03-26-2007, 11:56 PM
You can take Donnie out of that mix, since he was "punched in the gut" when Cuban decided not to pay the freight on Nash.

Who the hell was the gm? He was punched in the gut but he obviously misread the market and steve as much as anyone or he would have tried to get something for him. Does anyone in the front office have any responsiblity on anything?

It's truly amazing to me how this works. It's cubans fault for everything EXCEPT having a team that's arguably the best in the league or the best in a decade. He's screwed it all up, so bad that here we sit with what might be a team for the ages.

chumdawg
03-26-2007, 11:57 PM
I don't understand what happens to some posters that were true blue fans..... and then something changes.... like Bayliss did for awhile (although he doesn't post here anymore). There are more, but I can't remember their names (chiwas but that was a najera thing). It's like when a specific subject comes up (which for them is THE subject) you can just read the bitterness in their words.

For the love of God we have a great team. We have a great coach. We have a great owner. Enjoy it. Or don't... but please don't bring the rest of us down with you.

Or is that the goal? If you aren't happy no one else is going to be either, by God!?U2, I get infuriated when I watch other teams win with our players. San Antonio right now is looking like a bulldozer. The Suns are on the horizon. The Spurs would probably be near as good without Finley (though not quite), but the Suns would the freakin' Warriors without Nash.

I'm true blue, brutha, and I'm pissed to see these other teams playing so well with OUR players, because our owner started to put money ahead of our interests.

Didn't Dirk say in a recent article that he thought he might already have a ring or two if Nash were still here?

u2sarajevo
03-26-2007, 11:58 PM
chum... they are not our players. Nash plays for the Suns. Finley plays for the Spurs.

They aren't OUR players. OUR players are doing great without them.

dude1394
03-26-2007, 11:59 PM
I don't understand what happens to some posters that were true blue fans..... and then something changes.... like Bayliss did for awhile (although he doesn't post here anymore). There are more, but I can't remember their names (chiwas but that was a najera thing). It's like when a specific subject comes up (which for them is THE subject) you can just read the bitterness in their words.

For the love of God we have a great team. We have a great coach. We have a great owner. Enjoy it. Or don't... but please don't bring the rest of us down with you.

Or is that the goal? If you aren't happy no one else is going to be either, by God!?

It's almost like talking to an espn columnist or something. So if the mavs win the championship last year, then cubes is still stupid, right? Since they didn't then cubes is an idiot.

dirno2000
03-27-2007, 12:00 AM
Its hard to get a grasp from how good a player is on the Spurs statisically because there starters play in the 30-32 minute range and the bench is in the 18-20 range.

Not if you know what stats to look at.

chumdawg
03-27-2007, 12:00 AM
They came off grueling 7 game series of their own makings for the most part. If I recall they were up 3-0 against portland and let it go 7 and then they did have to beat the kings without weber. If you are going to say that having dirk would have gotten us over the top against the spurs, then you've got to give the kings the same benefit don't you?Good point. Except that when Webber went down we were busy hanging 83 on their ass and generally controlling the series. The Spurs weren't going to get away from us near that easy.

endrity
03-27-2007, 12:01 AM
And Dirk was wrong, because steve would allow just as much penetration as always, leaving our big man in foul trouble again. And Mike Bibby would own him again.. I am done with this thread, I did not want it to turn into the Cuban v. Nash/Fin theme but it did. I hope you enjoyed the links, I will try to do it again. As for our rivals, Spurs are wayyy better than the Suns and it doesn't have to do much with Finley.

dude1394
03-27-2007, 12:01 AM
U2, I get infuriated when I watch other teams win with our players. San Antonio right now is looking like a bulldozer. The Suns are on the horizon. The Spurs would probably be near as good without Finley (though not quite), but the Suns would the freakin' Warriors without Nash.

I'm true blue, brutha, and I'm pissed to see these other teams playing so well with OUR players, because our owner started to put money ahead of our interests.

Didn't Dirk say in a recent article that he thought he might already have a ring or two if Nash were still here?

Roster: Dirk, Josh, Jason, Damp, Stackhouse, Diop, Buckner, George.

Don't see nash/finley there anywhere.

As far as dirk saying that he would, great.. He thinks so but I don't believe it. Not without some center play and not with nellie coaching. I don't believe it for a second after watching this team now. Dirks engaging in some wishful thinking I think.

endrity
03-27-2007, 12:03 AM
Good point. Except that when Webber went down we were busy hanging 83 on their ass and generally controlling the series. The Spurs weren't going to get away from us near that easy.
One could also argue we got lucky with Webber going down, seeing how Keon F...ing Clark owned our frontline during the regular season. The kings probably win the championship that year if Webber hadn't gotten injured especially since they would have delt with the Spurs and not the lakers in the WCF.

dirno2000
03-27-2007, 12:03 AM
Good point. Except that when Webber went down we were busy hanging 83 on their ass and generally controlling the series. The Spurs weren't going to get away from us near that easy.

Can you control a series after two games when all you managed was a split on your home court? I'd say no.

chumdawg
03-27-2007, 12:03 AM
Who the hell was the gm? He was punched in the gut but he obviously misread the market and steve as much as anyone or he would have tried to get something for him. Does anyone in the front office have any responsiblity on anything? Cuban was the one and only GM when that happened. If you believe the published reports, that is indisputable. Cuban wrote in his blog that Donnie wanted him to offer 4 and 40, but that Cuban felt it was too much. Cuban wrote how he took Nash's phone calls and decided on the spot. It's clear that Cuban was the GM there, and that Donnie didn't have a single hand in it.

Which, of course, would only surprise you if it were otherwise.

endrity
03-27-2007, 12:06 AM
Our problem in the Finals was Wade right? I fail to see how Nash or Finley help solve that problem.

dude1394
03-27-2007, 12:07 AM
Good point. Except that when Webber went down we were busy hanging 83 on their ass and generally controlling the series. The Spurs weren't going to get away from us near that easy.

Hmm...is that why it was tied 2-2? I seem to recall that webber went down in the second game and they took us to 7. Dirk went down at the end of the third and they finished us off. I don't see it nearly as close as you did.

dude1394
03-27-2007, 12:08 AM
And Dirk was wrong, because steve would allow just as much penetration as always, leaving our big man in foul trouble again. And Mike Bibby would own him again.. I am done with this thread, I did not want it to turn into the Cuban v. Nash/Fin theme but it did. I hope you enjoyed the links, I will try to do it again. As for our rivals, Spurs are wayyy better than the Suns and it doesn't have to do much with Finley.

Sorry endrity...I think I'll take your advice on this as well and let chum play hate-cuban by himself.

dirno2000
03-27-2007, 12:09 AM
G.S. needs the Clippers to start losing.

They're down 3 in the loss column, they have 10 games remaining and 5 of them are against Dallas, PHX, S.A., Houston and Utah.

chumdawg
03-27-2007, 12:09 AM
Can you control a series after two games when all you managed was a split on your home court? I'd say no.Fair enough. But they came in rested, while we battled seven games with Portland, and after the first game we more of less exerted our dominance.

At worst, it's the same situation we faced with San Antonio. But at best, it's a whole lot better.

roxfan55
03-27-2007, 12:12 AM
are you going to be doing this tomorrow endrity?

chumdawg
03-27-2007, 12:13 AM
Hmm...is that why it was tied 2-2? I seem to recall that webber went down in the second game and they took us to 7. Dirk went down at the end of the third and they finished us off. I don't see it nearly as close as you did.They didn't win two on our home court, one without their best player. Trust me, when you two on the road in the playoffs, you are right there in the series.

endrity
03-27-2007, 12:14 AM
are you going to be doing this tomorrow endrity?
I will try, however this is a mavs forum so during the mavs game I will not post anyother links. I don't know if the rox play tomorrow, but you might look at your friends at clutchcity for help on that if the rox play at the same time.

StackAttack
03-27-2007, 06:30 PM
Anybody have the link for tonight's Mavs-Hornets game?

rakesh.s
03-27-2007, 07:12 PM
dewsaw has links tonight, but they're inaccessible