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dirt_dobber
09-26-2007, 06:20 AM
Marion: 'Time for me to move on'
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/0925marion-ON.html

Paul Coro
The Arizona Republic
Sept. 25, 2007 09:30 PM
Shawn Marion trade talk is one thing. A Marion trade request is quite another.

Marion is fed up with another summer of the Suns considering to trade him. Marion is irked that the team is not willing to talk about a contract extension. After eight years in Phoenix, Marion wants to leave the Suns and has let the team know in recent weeks.

"I'm tired of hearing my name in trades," Marion said by phone from his Chicago home Tuesday night. "I love my fans in Phoenix but I think it's time for me to move on."

Marion, the highest paid Suns player, has two years remaining on his maximum-level contract - $16.4 million for this year and a $17.8 million salary if he did not opt out before the 2008-09 season. He said the Suns' unwillingness to extend his deal is "only a part of why" he wants to leave but would not confirm that he has asked for a three-year, $60 million extension, saying, "The numbers aren't important."

Suns General Manager Steve Kerr declined comment.

There are two known trade suitors in the Utah Jazz (for Andrei Kirilenko, if not others) and the Los Angeles Lakers (for Lamar Odom and a teammate), with Marion showing an interest in the latter because of a friendship with Kobe Bryant.

"Regardless of everything that went on with the extension, I'm tired of hearing my name in trade rumors," Marion said. "It's time for me to move on. I felt like they tried to force my hand to Boston with the (Kevin) Garnett stuff."

In June, there was the possibility of a three-way trade sending Garnett to Phoenix, a Boston pick package going to Minnesota and Marion to Boston with a contract extension but the Marion camp killed it.

"I haven't done anything wrong," said Marion, a four-time All-Star. "I leave it on the floor night in and night out. Sometimes, it's just time, and it's time to go. "It's been like a nightmare. It hurts me making this phone call. It's hurting me in my stomach."

Marion said he has no problem with any of his teammates but did not want to comment on the Suns staffers, saying, "It's just a bad marriage. I'm not talking about anyone. It's just time for me to go."

He said he has talked to Kerr, Coach Mike D'Antoni and Managing Partner Robert Sarver.

There is a strong possibility that no trade occurs this week and Marion is asked to come to work Monday, the mandatory reporting date, and join the quest for a championship.

"I'll do what I've got to do," Marion said, noting he would show up no sooner than required. "I'm a professional. I'm not bitter. I love the fans but I've got to take care of me."

With Boris Diaw expected to be in today, each Suns player but Marion will be in Phoenix this week for the voluntary workouts. Some, like Grant Hill, Steve Nash and Amaré Stoudemire, have been coming into the arena for weeks.

Marion, 29, pulled himself off the USA Basketball roster for a second straight summer this year. He cited the plantar fasciitis in his left foot ("I played all season with that," Marion said Tuesday) in early July, when talk of his dissatisfaction with the lack of extension talks began to surface.

In Kirilenko and Odom, the Suns are looking at versatile forwards with different skill sets and financial factors.

Kirilenko, who is even more disgruntled with Utah this summer, is a former All-Star coming off a career-worst season, but is a great defender with a knack for shot-blocking. He does not shoot well from the perimeter but is a crafty scorer inside at 6 feet 9 and can run the floor. Kirilenko, 26, is due $63 million over the next four years. That would give Phoenix some instant relief but create later payroll issues.

Odom, who is 6-10 and 27 years old, is a superb passer and good shooter who can play various positions but has been inconsistent, depending on how assertive he plays. Odom has two years remaining on his deal at $13.2 million this season and $14.1 million in 2008-09.

bradleywillcrushyou44
09-26-2007, 06:42 AM
cool, they will have no one to guard dirk.

DevinHarriswillstart
09-26-2007, 07:18 AM
Yeah trading for Kirilenko makes 0 sense money wise. Their issues with Marion are mainly money related.

MavsX
09-26-2007, 07:21 AM
hmmm, where could he possibly go?

Jack.Kerr
09-26-2007, 08:06 AM
Yeah trading for Kirilenko makes 0 sense money wise. Their issues with Marion are mainly money related.

It sounds like more than money.

dirt_dobber
09-26-2007, 08:28 AM
discord in Suns-land.......yeah buddy!

DevinHarriswillstart
09-26-2007, 08:47 AM
It sounds like more than money.

The point later in the article was to trade for Kirilenko though....something that makes no sense at all for the money conservative Suns.

TripleDipping
09-26-2007, 08:49 AM
Why would the Lakers want to trade Odom for Marion? That move would benefit the Suns but not the Lakers. Unless Odom wants out of LA as well, I don't see how this deal would work.

Jack.Kerr
09-26-2007, 08:53 AM
The point later in the article was to trade for Kirilenko though....something that makes no sense at all for the money conservative Suns.

I meant "more than money" from Marion's perspective.

There must be some putrid team chemistry out there with Stoudemire, Marion, D'Antoni, etc.

Nash is earning his money. And it would be interesting to watch Marion's production without Nash feeding him for layups and dunks.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs
09-26-2007, 09:19 AM
Why would the Lakers want to trade Odom for Marion? That move would benefit the Suns but not the Lakers. Unless Odom wants out of LA as well, I don't see how this deal would work.

Strange I totally see it the opposite. I think Marion is a better player than Odom. I think this makes the Lakers slightly better and the Suns slightly worse. Marion is obviously a better fit for the Suns system than Odom would be. So as a Mavs fan I hope this trade goes through.

AxdemxO
09-26-2007, 09:25 AM
I think both are good players...but ODOM is a better offensive player and can do more on his own and he is a better passer..while Marion is a better defender and ODOM is pretty good too

IMO Odom>Marion because of his skill set...not by much thou

mcsluggo
09-26-2007, 09:54 AM
I think they are both more valuable where they are (a trade that makes BOTH teams worse)

Marion fills specific needs/holes for the Suns: rebounding and D (imagine what their D would look like without him) while he still manages to fit into their up tempo slashing style offensive game.

Odom is better at court vision and passing, a key skill for bigs in the triangle, but not at all a need for a team that is run by Steve Nash.


Both teams get worse.... get it done!

Underdog
09-26-2007, 10:32 AM
Let me be the first to beat this notion into the ground:

The Mavs were never in the Marion race in the first place...

alby
09-26-2007, 10:34 AM
If you trade Marion for Odom--Marion will be not be close to the player he is now because he will not have a creator to get him his shots. Kobe can fill that role, but you know when he is in that Laker yellow, he creates but mostly for himself. Odom on the other hand, he would fit very well with the Suns and their system. Can you imagine Nash resting, letting Barbosa worry about scoring, and Odom handling the ball.

fluid.forty.one
09-26-2007, 12:03 PM
"It's hurting me in my stomach"

lol

MavsX
09-26-2007, 12:04 PM
The Mavs were never in the Marion race in the first place

jcb6386
09-26-2007, 12:11 PM
If you trade Marion for Odom--Marion will be not be close to the player he is now because he will not have a creator to get him his shots. Kobe can fill that role, but you know when he is in that Laker yellow, he creates but mostly for himself. Odom on the other hand, he would fit very well with the Suns and their system. Can you imagine Nash resting, letting Barbosa worry about scoring, and Odom handling the ball.

Totally agree - I honestly think this trade would make the Suns a little better offensively (if that's possible) and the Lakers would find out that Marion can't do what he used to because he no longer has Nash feeding him the ball. He could help a little defensively, though, but this is a better trade overall for the Suns.

Tokey41
09-26-2007, 12:34 PM
This is excellent... the Suns aren't going to get anything good in return for Marion unless it's the Jazz and AK (which would suck... but he wouldn't be as good a fit in their system anyway).

Anyway he is way overpaid... anyone see any takers for him?

Flacolaco
09-26-2007, 12:38 PM
Why does he want Batman money? He is robin....

Dtownsfinest
09-26-2007, 12:39 PM
A Marion for Odom trade is a great deal for both teams. Gives Kobe a legit role player who can give a double double every night and it gives the Suns a point foward type in Odom.

DelNegro
09-26-2007, 12:42 PM
Totally agree - I honestly think this trade would make the Suns a little better offensively (if that's possible) and the Lakers would find out that Marion can't do what he used to because he no longer has Nash feeding him the ball. He could help a little defensively, though, but this is a better trade overall for the Suns.

Marion's pre-Nash numbers were pretty damn good. All-star good.

jthig32
09-26-2007, 01:08 PM
I think a trade to the Lakers would improve the Lakers tremendously, and hurt the Suns considerably.

Marion is a big part of what makes things work in Phoenix.

Dtownsfinest
09-26-2007, 01:11 PM
What does Marion make work in Phoenix lol? His presence on the defensive end as far as rebounding, steals and blocks go will be missed but its not like the Suns use defense to win games anyway.

bernardos70
09-26-2007, 01:12 PM
That's what I was thinking. Marion was no slouch without Nash.

ty
09-26-2007, 01:17 PM
discord in Suns-land.......yeah buddy!

woohoo

bernardos70
09-26-2007, 01:28 PM
What does Marion make work in Phoenix lol? His presence on the defensive end as far as rebounding, steals and blocks go will be missed but its not like the Suns use defense to win games anyway.

But it isn't like they can forego defense completely. At least Marion brings some semblance of it.

chumdawg
09-26-2007, 01:31 PM
If the Suns are smart, they will realize that Nash and Amare are never going to reach their true potential until they get out Marion's shadow. Just let the guy go, Suns, so your stars can get even better!

Flacolaco
09-26-2007, 01:32 PM
If the Mavs are smart, they will realize that Dirk is never going to reach his true potential until they get out of Nash's shadow. Just let the guy go, Mavs, so your stars can get even better!


Couldn't resist....

DelNegro
09-26-2007, 01:36 PM
But it isn't like they can forego defense completely. At least Marion brings some semblance of it.

Exactly. Someone's got to cover up Nash and Amare defensively and Raja Bell can't do it alone. Not that anyone was ever going to confuse the Suns with a good defensive team, but the Suns were actually middle of the pack last year in terms of opponents field goal percentage. Moving Marion would put them back near the bottom and even if your calling card is offense, giving up more points doesn't make you better.

nowhereman
09-26-2007, 02:32 PM
Why does he want Batman money? He is robin....

sweet. rep rep rep.

Nash13
09-26-2007, 02:35 PM
Odom's not even that much of an upgrade on offense. Odom and Marion average around the same ppg. I mean, sure his passing would be nice to have, but it'll come at a cost. The more he has the ball, the less Amare and Nash have it.

nowhereman
09-26-2007, 02:38 PM
They could trade him for Joe Johnson?

i don't think either kirilenko or odom have the outside shootinig that really gave marion his offensive niche with nash. odom moreso than kirilenko, but i don't think either is sufficient.

FINtastic
09-26-2007, 03:29 PM
I think people are overlooking these two factors:

Marion's pre-Nash numbers were pretty damn good. All-star good.

I think a trade to the Lakers would improve the Lakers tremendously, and hurt the Suns considerably.

Marion is a big part of what makes things work in Phoenix.

Marion's incredible versatility helps Phoenix get away with a lot of things - point guard that can't defend, an incredibly up-tempo system, and Stoudemires injury in 2006. Heck, I know all anyone remembers from Game Six of the 2005 Suns-Mavs series is Dirk's towel throwing and Nash's shot to send the Game to OT, but Stoudemire had fouled out in OT. The Suns were just able to plug Marion right into the pick-and-roll in Stoudemire's place, and they never missed a beat. Marion I think had 35 or 40 when it was all said and done.

And for those who say the Suns don't play defense anyways... The stats don't necessarily bear that out. IIRC, they grade out at least to be an average defensive team, in large part due to the fact that Marion can cover almost any position on the court. Plus, Marion gives them some much needed rebounding needed from a lineup that isn't great at rebounding due to its lack of size.

I don't really see Odom improving the Suns all that much. They basically have poor man's version of Odom who is rotting on the bench in Boris Diaw. Trading for him would render Boris Diaw completely worthless. Moreover, I've always thought Odom was a major underachiever. I guess he can make up for Marion's rebounding, but I don't really see him as being able to replace Marion's defensive versatility.

purplefrog
09-26-2007, 03:31 PM
The Suns might want to consider a trade to the Lakers involving Marion for Radmonovic and Kwame Brown. Vlade gives them another legitimate 3pt threat and Brown gives them a decent backup for Amare. Brown's salary also comes off the books after this year and Odom seems to be injury prone. Also Radmonovic's defensive prowess fits in perfectly with the Suns' philosophy.

ty
09-26-2007, 03:39 PM
Radmon would be good for run and gun.

Janett_Reno
09-26-2007, 04:58 PM
Marion with the Suns is one of the best players in the nba and can he be one of the best players in the nba without a great point guard? He fills ever stat sheet that is known to man. Can he without a great point guard? Marion is one of the best defenise players in the nba and a very good rebounder. Without Marion, can the Suns get any rebounds?

Do not get me wrong, i do not mind seeing him leave because then it is much easier on Dirk and we should get past the Suns easier. Lamar Odom is good and solid but Nash is so blessed to have a man that can jump out of the roof and Marion is so blessed to have Nash. I do not think Odom will run to the rim dunking every other time down like Marion does with Nash. Nash hits him perfectly at the rim. In other areas i feel Odom is very good. Marion seems to never get tired running up and down on offense or defense.

Marion will be much better in the Suns system than Odom in the Suns system, i feel. AK-47 gets up and down the court good on offense and defense and yes he will be dunking alot on the end of Nash passes. Maybe not as good as Marion but lots better than Odom. Odom and Marion gets hot outside alot of times and this is where AK-47 could be lacking some. I feel AK would be good getting up and down in the open court run and gun but can he be consistent on his outside shot?

This could be a huge mistake for the Suns if they get rid of Marion. I also know Nash would make AK and Odom even better but just how good?

DevinFuture
09-26-2007, 11:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chumdawg
If the Mavs are smart, they will realize that Dirk is never going to reach his true potential until they get out of Nash's shadow. Just let the guy go, Mavs, so your stars can get even better!



Couldn't resist....

wicked burn

Nash13
09-26-2007, 11:09 PM
Marion's pre-Nash numbers were pretty damn good. All-star good.

You got to remember that he still had pretty good point guards before Nash. He had Maubury when he was dishing out 8-9apg, and i believe he had Kidd when he 1st came into the league.

fluid.forty.one
09-27-2007, 12:21 AM
Either way Marion leaving the Suns hurts the team and the system.. so I'm all for it.

FINtastic
09-27-2007, 12:33 AM
You got to remember that he still had pretty good point guards before Nash. He had Maubury when he was dishing out 8-9apg, and i believe he had Kidd when he 1st came into the league.

He also had a out of control rookie point guard Leandro Barbosa running the team the second half of the season before Nash arrived.

Purple&Gold
09-27-2007, 12:44 AM
If the Lakers acquire Marion what were you guys see the Lakers finishing obviously Marion is the better player..

WraithXx
09-27-2007, 01:51 AM
Why does he want Batman money? He is robin....

why do you want any money at all? you're a useless tumbleweed.

DelNegro
09-27-2007, 08:33 AM
You got to remember that he still had pretty good point guards before Nash. He had Maubury when he was dishing out 8-9apg, and i believe he had Kidd when he 1st came into the league.

So what? None of those guys made him a better rebounder or defender. Sure those guys got him some easy buckets here and there, but it's not like he suddenly reverts to a 10 ppg guy if he's not around a good point guard. I still don't see any reason why we shouldn't expect Marion to put up similar numbers in Los Angeles.

Underdog
09-27-2007, 08:36 AM
Forget how good Marion is without Nash - how good will the Suns be without Marion?

DelNegro
09-27-2007, 08:47 AM
Basketball-wise it's a definite step backwards. But their luxury tax situation would improve, and that's their real motivation behind all this.

Tokey41
09-27-2007, 11:14 AM
On a Suns board they seem to be all for Marion to the Jazz for AK and Brewer... personally I don't think Marion is worth AK who has the potential to be the better overall player and a promising young guy.

Other possibilities that were thrown out: A. Jamison, R. Jefferson, L. Odom, J. Oneal, etc.

Marion would be a much better 3 for the Jazz system imo, and it seems the Suns fans think AK would be great in their system (and acquiring Brewer?)... so let's hope this doesn't happen.

mcsluggo
09-27-2007, 11:36 AM
AK is in, what... his 8th year?
I don't think you can talk about him in terms of "potential" anymore...

Nash13
09-27-2007, 11:49 AM
So what? None of those guys made him a better rebounder or defender. Sure those guys got him some easy buckets here and there, but it's not like he suddenly reverts to a 10 ppg guy if he's not around a good point guard. I still don't see any reason why we shouldn't expect Marion to put up similar numbers in Los Angeles.

I'm talking about how point guards effect his offense. Maybe it's just a coincidence he's always had a good pg. Defensively, he's always been fantastic. Rebounding wise, he was always around 9rpg until he officially became a power forward. I think Kobe can create enough for him to average the same amount of ppg. I was just pointing out Marion's connections with good pgs.

LonghornDub
09-27-2007, 01:49 PM
I hope he leaves. Anything that weakens PHX is fine by me.

DelNegro
09-27-2007, 01:59 PM
I'm talking about how point guards effect his offense. Maybe it's just a coincidence he's always had a good pg. Defensively, he's always been fantastic. Rebounding wise, he was always around 9rpg until he officially became a power forward. I think Kobe can create enough for him to average the same amount of ppg. I was just pointing out Marion's connections with good pgs.

I gotcha. Good points, and I agree.

alby
09-27-2007, 07:31 PM
AK is in, what... his 8th year?
I don't think you can talk about him in terms of "potential" anymore...
Marion is turning 30 years old and is entering his 9th NBA season next year
AK is turning 27 years old and is entering his 7th NBA season next year

definitely not considered "young", but definitely younger than Marion and has played a lot less minutes as well. (over 10,000 minutes in fact)

13k minutes for AK v. 23k minutes for Marion

ty
09-27-2007, 07:49 PM
AK wants to go back to the mother country.

xenonvisions
09-27-2007, 07:54 PM
go to LA..play with kobe..they will contend if he does..and if bynum grows up

mqywaaah
09-27-2007, 09:22 PM
If and when Bynum grows up is still a mystery...

alby
09-27-2007, 09:41 PM
bynum is never growing up

Flacolaco
09-27-2007, 09:51 PM
bynum is never growing up

So the rest of the lakers are like the 'Lost Boys' or.....? ;)

sike
09-28-2007, 09:20 AM
I sure hope they lose Marion and gain Odom...anyone who needs the ball like Odom makes me happy...because that is less time the ball is in Nash's hands.

DirkFTW
09-28-2007, 09:29 AM
So the rest of the lakers are like the 'Lost Boys' or.....? ;)

Toys R Us kids? =)

EricaLubarsky
09-28-2007, 10:01 AM
I sure hope they lose Marion and gain Odom...anyone who needs the ball like Odom makes me happy...because that is less time the ball is in Nash's hands.

Odom moves well without the ball but yeah he's unbelievably good with the ball in his hands for the slash or the moving post move. Marion just does so much for them-- hard-nosed defense, shotblocking, rebounding. He does all the dirty work so Nash can play light and airy.

Darth Ape
09-28-2007, 12:54 PM
Note to shawn moron - stop being a p. Thank your lucky stars you got a big contract. Shut your mouth. Play basketball.

dude1394
09-28-2007, 06:57 PM
Note to shawn moron - stop being a p. Thank your lucky stars you got a big contract. Shut your mouth. Play basketball.

Well said 'ape.. But boy o' boy, discension in phoenix land is priceless.

Flacolaco
09-28-2007, 08:58 PM
Note to shawn moron - stop being a p. Thank your lucky stars you got a big contract. Shut your mouth. Play basketball.

This is my favorite post of yours, ever.

I couldn't agree more.

And1
09-29-2007, 11:06 PM
I sure hope they lose Marion and gain Odom...anyone who needs the ball like Odom makes me happy...because that is less time the ball is in Nash's hands.

Yep, I hope they trade him and that they suffer in the Wins column:cool:

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs
09-30-2007, 08:52 AM
Shawn Marion is only going to land with the Lakers if new Suns GM Steve Kerr is willing to take back Kwame Brown and Vlade Radmanovic. That's not happening, and the Suns aren't getting Lamar Odom for Marion, either. New York Daily News

ROFLMAO @ Shawn Marion for Kwame Brown, yeah Suns you should definetely make that move I mean he IS a former #1 draft pick picked by M.J. So that means he has to be at least as good as M.J.

Silk Smoov
09-30-2007, 09:40 AM
If the Suns are smart, they will realize that Nash and Amare are never going to reach their true potential until they get out Marion's shadow. Just let the guy go, Suns, so your stars can get even better!

There is no way you believe what you just wrote?

Silk Smoov
09-30-2007, 09:45 AM
Note to shawn moron - stop being a p. Thank your lucky stars you got a big contract. Shut your mouth. Play basketball.

I agree, and I will forward that same note to AK.