View Full Version : Kirilenko for Marion?

10-15-2007, 12:54 PM
Making slam-dunk sense
Jazz's Kirilenko for Suns' Marion would benefit all involved
October 15, 2007

Finally, an exhibition game to get excited about. Is it possible Shawn Marion and Andrei Kirilenko will be traded for one another at halftime Monday when the Jazz plays the Suns? Could Kirilenko and Marion play against their former teams in the second half? They'd have to pass physicals quickly.

Hard to figure why this deal hasn't happened yet. Here are the NBA's two unhappiest stars this side of Kobe Bryant, and there's good reason for each team to make the deal.

Both teams say there's nothing going on. You have to wonder why.

To digress, Kirilenko and Marion both said they wanted to be traded before training camp began. Kirilenko went so far as to offer to let the Jazz out of the four years and $63 million remaining on his contract if he could return to Russia.

Marion came to training camp and said nothing had changed and he wouldn't discuss it anymore, prompting coach Mike D'Antoni to say: "This is a great time of anyone's life. We've got a great team. Phoenix is probably the best place to live. You make a lot of money (a team-high $16.4 million). I have a hard time getting my mind wrapped around [what's wrong]." Kirilenko also declined to elaborate on why he was unhappy once camp began.

But the Suns were downright complimentary compared with the virtually unprecedented attack on Kirilenko by teammate Deron Williams. He made Bryant's disparaging comments about his Lakers teammates seem like greeting-card sentiments.

Williams ended last season with a barrage that seemed aimed at European teammates Kirilenko, Mehmet Okur and Gordon Giricek. He told a Salt Lake City radio station: "You see (Carlos Boozer) after practice shooting for 25 or 30 minutes. You see Memo (Mehmut Okur) shooting for 20 minutes. You see all the rookies. [Then] you see Andrei being the first one out the door."

Williams admitted refusing to pass the ball to Kirilenko last season: "If he's coming off a screen on one side and Matt [Harpring] is coming off a screen on one side, who do you think you're going to pass to? You think you're going to pass to the guy you see working every day in the gym, or are you going to pass to the guy who never works on his shot but yet wants to shoot 'em every time? … Guys don't want to sit across the locker room from a guy who doesn't want to be here."

Kirilenko's explanation: "I'm stuck. ... I don't have a spark."

The teams had some preliminary talks, but the Jazz supposedly wasn't interested, and owner Larry Miller is now saying there will be no deal.

Why not?

The Jazz can extend Williams after next season, and he's emerging as its key player. Miller has said the former Illinois star is in line for a maximum contract. Marion has two seasons left on his deal, a perfect financial segue to Williams' new deal.

And while his Suns teammates like Marion, Kirilenko would be a terrific fit for the team. He's taller, he offers more of a defensive presence inside and he's practically screaming for a milder coach, such as D'Antoni, after putting up with hard-edged Jerry Sloan.

Marion, meanwhile, would give the Jazz an athletic complement to inside/outside big men Boozer and Okur and a defender who can guard a shooting guard, currently a big weakness. Marion could make the Jazz a legitimate championship contender. How could Utah pass up the chance?

The initial hang-up in the talks was said to be the Jazz's lack of interest in backup point guard Marcus Banks, a frequent subject of trade talks.

Marion had 18 points and 20 rebounds in 29 minutes Saturday against the Hornets. He'll continue to play, though this deal makes too much sense for both teams not to happen.

Link (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/cs-071014smith,1,2640127.column?page=1&coll=cs-bulls-headlines)

10-15-2007, 01:35 PM
The Jazz with Matrix would be pretty sick...

I think Deron could really feed him the ball in many of the ways Nash does.

10-15-2007, 02:40 PM
This could actually help both teams. I hope it doesn't happen, it would make the West that much tougher.

10-15-2007, 03:23 PM

10-15-2007, 03:31 PM
I think Utah would get the better part of the deal.

10-15-2007, 03:42 PM
Kirilenko for Terry.

10-15-2007, 03:53 PM
I think Utah would get the better part of the deal.

True, but if moving Marion creates a happy locker room in Phoenix they still probably come out okay.

10-15-2007, 04:20 PM
Hope that doesn't happen... makes the Jazz tougher, I don't know about Phoenix. AK is an excellent player I don't know how he fits in their offensive system... I don't think it matters since Nash would make him look great anyways. Yeah... really hoping it doesn't happen now.

10-15-2007, 04:28 PM
hah this would be fantastic.. it would make the suns MUCH worse.. and it would make Utah good, but not good enough.

10-15-2007, 04:45 PM
It would make the defense of the Suns much better. Also AK is a way better passer than Marion. I donīt think it will be a downgrade for the Suns and they will get worse.

10-15-2007, 04:55 PM
Kirilenko pretty much sucks though....this article makes it sound like an even trade when it isn't. You're talking about a big drop off in offensive production regardless of how good Nash is getting his teammates involved. Also, who would want someone how doesn't work hard to better their game? If Williams doesn't want to pass to you I don't see Nash just giving out lollipops when he is one of the hardest working pgs.

10-15-2007, 07:49 PM
Marion is the perfect compliment for Williams/Boozer

just like how he is the perfect compliment for Nash/Amare

he's always pissed and whining about being a "compliment" and not the #1 option, it's going to be the exact same story in Utah.

10-16-2007, 02:28 AM
Wow. Both are very similar players with the exception of Marion having the better jumpshot. This is one of those wierd instances where I think both teams end up getting better in the deal.

10-16-2007, 10:14 AM
Kirilenko for Terry.
and while were at you can trade your girlfriend for Eva Mendez...

10-16-2007, 10:18 AM
and while were at you can trade your girlfriend for Eva Mendez...

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overrated imo.

10-16-2007, 10:27 AM
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overrated imo.
His girlfriend? ;)

10-16-2007, 10:28 AM
Nash, Kirilenko, Amare, rest of the Suns? Dang!

10-16-2007, 11:55 AM
Trade Bass for AK47, and then trade DJ, Fazekas and Sampson for Nene and Camby


10-16-2007, 02:43 PM
Trade Bass for AK47, and then trade DJ, Fazekas and Sampson for Nene and Camby


I'll have to think about it

10-16-2007, 03:27 PM
I'll have to think about it

I know our guard spots are kinda poor, but maybe we could trade Howard for Kobe and Farmar.