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dirt_dobber
01-16-2008, 08:47 AM
Bulls: More dissension, more disarray
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/mariottiweb/743064,011608mariottiweb.article

January 16, 2008
BY JAY MARIOTTI Sun-Times Columnist

So there was Ben Wallace, $60 million waste, laughing on the bench Tuesday night in Orlando. The Bulls were losing by 20-something points in another hapless, character-less performance, and Big Bum was having such a good time that you wanted to stuff him in a Goofy suit and point him to Disney World.

He wasn't the only quitter and slacker in a 102-88 loss, the latest stinker in a pathetic season of quitting and slacking, which only underscores the thievery taking place. The Bulls are stealing money. They are embarrassing the city and a franchise that 10 years ago, willed by the most cut-throat competitor of all time, won its sixth NBA championship. They admittedly quit on Scott Skiles and got him fired. Now they aren't playing for interim coach/sucker Jim Boylan, which comes after Wallace -- in an incredible bit of hypocrisy-- led the in-house charge against Joakim Noah when he blew up at assistant coach Ron Adams last Friday.

At least Noah, who returned to produce 12 points and a career-high 11 rebounds, cares about winning. Reportedly, Noah and Wallace had a post-game flareup and were separated. Seems Noah was as irked as I was about the apathy of some veterans -- the same mopes who had gone to Boylan and urged him to extend the rookie's one-game suspension to two games for the Adams episode. Shame on Boylan and general manager John Paxson for allowing those veterans any latitude to make disciplinary decisions when some are guilty of far worse sins than Noah.

If the rookie was punished two games, Wallace should be suspended five for laughing. But that won't happen. Know why? His agent, Arn Tellem, is close with Bulls chairman Jerry Reinsdorf. It was Reinsdorf, according to ESPN's Ric Bucher, who fueled the regrettable Wallace signing two summers ago because of his relationship with Tellem. There even was a report, denied by the Bulls, that Reinsdorf met last month with Wallace and Tellem to gauge the players' feelings about Skiles.

So maybe we shouldn't be blaming only Paxson for the Bulls demise. Maybe it's a classic Reinsdorf screwup.

Boylan, who tried to place trust in the players during the Noah episode, was more disgusted than anyone. Nice attempt to rally the troops, Mr. Interim. ``Our lack of effort in the third quarter was unacceptable and probably the worst third quarter I've seen since I've been with the Chicago Bulls, as a head coach or an assistant,'' he said. ``It was a lack of effort all the way across the board, a lack of concentration and focus.

``In the NBA, there's always ebb and flow, but we're letting teams have their way with us. Our defense is soft; our offense is anemic at times. We seem to be casual with the ball. We have to do something about that if we want to get ourselves right. We have to change the way we're playing. I don't have any magic dust to sprinkle over anyone. I have seen these guys compete at a high level. For some reason we are not doing that.''

They're already fired a well-regarded coach. They're already turned a rookie into a peer-pressure scapegoat. Any other solutions?

``It's just embarrassing,'' said Chris Duhon, who said last month that the Bulls stopped playing for Skiles.

The team is a disgrace, a daily subject on national TV shows. Somewhere in Indiana, Skiles must be laughing himself, though surely not as hard as Big Bum.

dirt_dobber
01-16-2008, 12:21 PM
And this from DatzNasty at dallasbasketball.com:

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=114329&src=150

At halftime of the Bulls' lifeless 102-88 loss to the Orlando Magic on Tuesday night, Noah and Ben Wallace had to be separated in the locker room, according to witnesses.

Noah walked into the room loudly complaining about Bulls players laughing on the bench, then Wallace confronted Noah, and Luol Deng had to step in and pull them apart, the witnesses said.

The Bulls finished the first half down 57-52 after trimming a 14-point deficit. When the second half began, the Bulls appeared shell-shocked.

They were outscored 32-10 in the third quarter as the Magic pulled out to a 27-point lead. Some Bulls reserves led a late comeback to make the final score seem respectable.

TripleDipping
01-16-2008, 12:47 PM
Am I the only person who feels that Ben Wallace is not a very good teammate to be around with?

AxdemxO
01-16-2008, 12:59 PM
No I still dont buy it. He deserves some blame...but the whole team is a mess and u cant just point fingers at him.

TripleDipping
01-16-2008, 03:20 PM
No I still dont buy it. He deserves some blame...but the whole team is a mess and u cant just point fingers at him.

Oh yeah, the Bulls' situation of course is not the doing of Wallace himself. I'm just saying that he's been generally an ass in the last few years. From fighting with Saunders in Detroit to the headband thing with Skiles to this.

AxdemxO
01-16-2008, 04:32 PM
Oh yeah, the Bulls' situation of course is not the doing of Wallace himself. I'm just saying that he's been generally an ass in the last few years. From fighting with Saunders in Detroit to the headband thing with Skiles to this.


Idk wht was going on in Detroit, but he should have stayed there because the guys all got along and it was more of a team oriented situation. JHe was one of the leaders and whn he didnt lead other guys picked it up, in Chicago not many player to do that. Most players in Chicago are young and he mite have trouble adjusting to that.

** I think he was right about the the head band thing, that was a stupid rule IMO

horse900703
01-16-2008, 06:58 PM
Why bulls doing so bad this season???
be4 season start i thought bulls can go all the way

dude1394
01-16-2008, 08:22 PM
Idk wht was going on in Detroit, but he should have stayed there because the guys all got along and it was more of a team oriented situation. JHe was one of the leaders and whn he didnt lead other guys picked it up, in Chicago not many player to do that. Most players in Chicago are young and he mite have trouble adjusting to that.

** I think he was right about the the head band thing, that was a stupid rule IMO

Are you kidding?? Detroit wasn't stupid enough to give him those dollars, he took the money and ruined that franchise.

I like that Joakim Noah kid, he'd would be a keeper for me. A very tall najera.

Worst thing that franchise ever did to sign that 6'5 center. He's useless.

AxdemxO
01-16-2008, 09:08 PM
Are you kidding?? Detroit wasn't stupid enough to give him those dollars, he took the money and ruined that franchise.

I like that Joakim Noah kid, he'd would be a keeper for me. A very tall najera.

Worst thing that franchise ever did to sign that 6'5 center. He's useless.

and wht did I say again. I said he should have....thts just my opinon because I dont think they would have these problems because they have more leaders on the team. In Chicago he surrounded by kids and its like babysitting, so somewhere along he too bacame the problem whn no1 was there to take the leadership role.

dude1394
01-16-2008, 09:41 PM
and wht did I say again. I said he should have....thts just my opinon because I dont think they would have these problems because they have more leaders on the team. In Chicago he surrounded by kids and its like babysitting, so somewhere along he too bacame the problem whn no1 was there to take the leadership role.

Ah, I see...It would have been better for him. Not for his pocketbook.

DevinHarriswillstart
01-17-2008, 10:50 AM
No I still dont buy it. He deserves some blame...but the whole team is a mess and u cant just point fingers at him.

The problem is the franchise seems to be making Noah the scapegoat irrationally. Your franchise is a big time loser if you point the fingers at the rookie.

MavsX
01-17-2008, 11:06 AM
who is more likely to get traded: Noah or Big Ben?

dalmations202
01-17-2008, 11:30 AM
who is more likely to get traded: Noah or Big Ben?
Neither, because of Big Bens contract.

IMO, They want to keep Noah, and Big Ben basically can't be traded.