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TheKid
04-09-2001, 08:48 AM
You know I haven't been hearing much about Don Nelson getting coach of the year this year and I wonder if it's because he left for a while to take care of his cancer problem. I've heard people mention Popavich, Nate McMillan, Larry Brown and Nelson's name I've heard once or twice, however I feel he should be the front runner.

NO ONE anticipated the Mavericks playing this well this year, and as much as we may argue on this board about whose more important, this team has been built by Nelson and the development of the players has been by Nelson. I think he should be the COACH OF THE YEAR!! Does anyone agree?

Hales233
04-09-2001, 09:14 AM
Kid...I'm with you....either him, Adelman, or Brown...but I'd give the edge to Don!!!

TheKid
04-09-2001, 09:23 AM
Oh yeah, I've heard Adelman's name too. However I'm more in favor of Don though. I don't think I'm being biast either. Dallas was expected to make the playoffs in the 8th spot if they were lucky. Now they're in the running to have home court advantage through the first round of the playoffs. HE DEFINATELY needs to get coach of the year.

dallaslaker
04-09-2001, 10:51 AM
I agree that he should AT LEAST be nominated. I think Nelson image as a "clown coach" really puts him at a disadvantage. I find it extremely interesting to see some of his "questionable" strategies being used by other teams. The infamous hack-a-shack being used by Doc Rivers after he said that he wouldn't ever do that. With teams not having true centers to match up against Shaq, you see more small ball with 3 or more guards.

I'll admit that I've not been a big fan of Nelson, even wishing Cuban would have sent him packing when he bought the team. But, it's almost like Nelson is really redifining the game. Like he making people look at it differently that the *traditional* 2 guard, 2 forward, 1 center set.

Is there a list of nominees for COY or do people just pick one? And who does the actual voting? I'm pretty sure it is the sports writers, but who else?

TheKid
04-09-2001, 11:38 AM
I'm pretty sure it's sportswriters, but I was listening to this talk show this weekend that was talking about all of the candidates and they talked about all those other coaches and finally one of the guys said, "what about Don Nelson?" That's what made me think of it.

I asked that once before on this board, I know there were people when Cuban first came who wanted to get rid of Nelson, but there seems to be far less talk of that around Dallas lately.

Flying Tiger
04-09-2001, 10:27 PM
I agree that Nelson has done a great job turning this team around as head coach, but he's also a great GM. He has a wonderful nose for talent and seems to find it in places that others over look.

MFFL
05-11-2001, 12:10 AM
Everybody get your votes in.

Who will be coach of the year?

Executive of the year?

MVP?

djb
05-11-2001, 12:20 AM
Coach of the Year: Larry Brown
Executive of the Year: Michael Jordan
MVP: Bid Daddy Shaq

I don't agree with the first two but you just KNOW the league is going to overlook Nellie and go for the more conventional choices.

TheKid
05-11-2001, 09:09 AM
I really don't think Jordan should get executive of the year. If anyone would get it I would think Pat Croce should get it or Don Nelson.

Murphy3
05-11-2001, 09:35 AM
jordan unloaded juwan's contract, that alone should get him executive of the year

djb
05-11-2001, 10:46 AM
I don't think Croce should get it because I think he really tinkered too much with the team by trading for Deke. Of course if they win it all, then I'll change my mind i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif I REALLY don't think Jordan should get it, but that's probably what the public wants.

Murphy3
05-11-2001, 10:49 AM
personally, that's one award i could care less about

TheKid
05-11-2001, 11:00 AM
To be honest NELLIE should get coach and GM of the year!!! Hell he built this team, people said he was crazy (me included) for bring Dirk here. He looks like a genius now! After his Antsey experiment, I thought he was nuts for going that route again. If Wang turns out, this man will be the next Marty Blake.

Murphy3
05-11-2001, 12:37 PM
he wouldn't get gm of the year because alot of people around the league thinks that he got the short end of the juwan howard trade

TheKid
05-11-2001, 02:27 PM
Well they think that but from a record standpoint, that helped the Mavs out. Booth has played well for us and Juwan ended up being one of the teams leading rebounder (which is a joke) and in the last two months he played very well for us compared to how he played in Washington so from a statistical standpoint, we really didn't get shafted in that deal.

Murphy3
05-11-2001, 02:34 PM
the jury is still out.
as of this point, i would have to give the edge to washington.
yes, juwan is a slightly better player than laettner, but he's not much of an improvement.
and the mavs are stuck with him.. he will probably be a guy making an obscene amount of money coming off of the bench.

booth, i hope he pans out, but i don't know if he'll ever be strong enough to be an effective player down low.

TheKid
05-11-2001, 03:27 PM
No he never will be a dominant low post presence, but he was a throw in on the trade and he's given major contributions to the Mavs to this point. He wasn't doing ANYTHING with the Wizards. Actually Juwan wasn't doing much with them either. All Jordan did was dump a bunch of salary and if THAT makes him GM of the year, then whoever does the voting is DUMB!

Murphy3
05-11-2001, 03:36 PM
like it or not, alot is based on money today.
jordan did a great job finding a sucker that would take on juwan (future sixth man) at that outlandish salary.

yes, i know booth has made some contributions, and i think he can make more in the future.
hopefully, picking up juwan won't be a snake that constantly bites the mavs in the future though

Murphy3
05-11-2001, 03:36 PM
and booth wasn't a throw in.
the mavs weren't going to make the trade unless they got booth. that's definitely not a throw in

TheKid
05-11-2001, 03:59 PM
All that nonsense about them liking Booth, that was Nellie at his best. They wanted another big guy and he was what they had and his "salary" fit perfectly into the picture. One of the publications in DC said originally Dallas inquired about Jahidi White but the Wizards said, "NO WAY"! Then Booth name came up. Then Nellie started saying all this stuff about how great he thought Booth was, etc. etc. I'm not mad though, I think Booth is great coming off the bench, he needs to improve in some areas, but I like him.

Unfortunately, I don't think they're going to make Juwan a sixth man. I think they're going to try and MAKE it seem like they got the better end of the deal. In the end we're just going to get stuck with this big ass salary though. I think the guy could be good if used properly. However right now, he's an a below average power forward, atleast since the playoffs have started.

Murphy3
05-11-2001, 04:04 PM
howard would be best as a guy coming off of the bench

the only situation i see him starting is if the mavs get a dominating inside presence from the center position.

obviously, the deal wasn't going to get done without jahidi white or a booth. so it's not a throw in.
a throw in is kevin costner in bull durham, the "player to be named later"

TheKid
05-11-2001, 04:13 PM
With the salary cap, you can't just say a player to be named later. What I'm saying is, if they weren't trying to get Juwan, they wouldn't have tried to get Booth or Jahidi, so they're a throw in my eyes.

Murphy3
05-11-2001, 04:17 PM
i know they can't do that in basketball like they do in baseball. no shit.

however, if the mavs aren't going to make a deal without a big man, whether it was jahidi or calvin, then they are not throw ins.
if that is your definition, then it is wrong
yes, i know juwan was the primary person in the trade.

TheKid
05-11-2001, 04:19 PM
You just want to try and argue everything I say. If I said the sky was blue, you'd try and tell me, "No, actually it's light blue!"

LonestarROB
05-11-2001, 04:19 PM
ahh crap. Here we go again.

Big Boy Laroux
05-11-2001, 04:28 PM
no kidding, rob.

arguments all the time.

Murphy3
05-11-2001, 04:29 PM
come up with a valid point, and i won't argue.
it's that easy

TheKid
05-11-2001, 04:48 PM
If you're not Lam, you have to be a brother OR A COUSIN!!!

Mavinator
05-11-2001, 05:26 PM
So, Jordan traded a top-ten power forward and a talented young shotblocker for two rookies and three benchwarmers, put his team in a slightly worse salary cap position, and he cut his starting point guard late in the season with no one as a legitimate replacement.



Well, let's make him Executive of the Year!

MFFL
05-11-2001, 10:03 PM
Kid - I like most of your opinions, but I have to disagree with you here. If Booth was just a throw in, we could have kept one of the two rookies we traded and thrown in Bryant instead. The salaries match. I think Nellie really wanted Booth and asked about Jahidi to get the Wizards thinking that we wanted Jahidi when we really wanted Booth.

MFFL
05-11-2001, 10:06 PM
Mavinator - I really think you hit the nail on the head. We traded potential and bench players for an established player at our weakest position. Finally, if Juwan's contract really works the way the paper said it does, we will be able to outbid ANY team for a free agent in two years.

MFFL
05-11-2001, 10:10 PM
murph stated the mavs weren't going to make the trade unless they got booth. Absolutely! The Mavs looked at Booth and saw potential at a position where they were very weak. Nellie really wanted a chance to get a solid player AND a chance to hit a home run with Booth.

Murphy3
05-12-2001, 07:17 AM
actually, washington did a very good job with getting out of long term salary cap trouble by getting rid of juwan. and that in itself is a miracle.
the mavs did get a guy that's probably going to be a sixth man and a guy that's probably going to be a back up center and power forward in the years to come

MFFL
05-13-2001, 12:04 AM
But one of the players we gave up was the largely useless Loy Vaught. He was earning 6 mil or so as the 12th man. Howard is earning 14 mil, so it's only an upgrade of 8 mil for the 6th man. That's a hell of a deal in my opinion. Especially because the Vaught contract is also for another 2 years and also escalates in value.

TheKid
05-13-2001, 06:07 PM
Once again we're trying to figure out the psyche of Nelson. All I was doing was stating what the original trade was suppose to be. According to that, we wanted Jahidi White and Washington didn't want to do it. Now we can speculate and say, Nelson really wanted Booth, we can say all this stuff, but facts are the facts. He inquired about White first, if the Wizards say yes, we have White right now.

Murphy3
05-13-2001, 11:39 PM
and what's your point?

TheKid
05-14-2001, 08:50 AM
The point was, Booth was not the focus of the trade, if Nelson didn't want Howard, he wouldn't have wanted or went after Booth. If Jahidi White was available we still wouldn't have Booth. So my point about US getting the better end of the trade (IMO) because Booth was a throw in is my point!

Murphy3
05-14-2001, 09:44 AM
well, now your point is changing.
before, it was that booth was a throw in, which is not and was not the case.

TheKid
05-14-2001, 10:12 AM
IMO, if he's not the focus of the trade then he's a throw in. Maybe for salary cap purposes, or to fill in other needs, but if he's not the focal point of the trade then they're a throw in.

For instance the trade that sent Kidd to Phoenix and Fin to Dallas. I can't even remember all of the players that were involved in it, because those two were the main players in the trade.

Murphy3
05-14-2001, 10:53 AM
your definition of a throw in isn't a very good one.

TheKid
05-14-2001, 12:42 PM
You only think that because you disagree with it. You think Booth was something Nelson really was looking for and wanted, I personally feel he wasn't looking for Booth and something good fell into his lap. He was the only other player that fit into the salary category and he was big. If there was another player there in Washington that fit into that mold, whose to say that Nelson wouldn't have taken that other player instead. So my point being, Booth was never a HIGH PRIORITY of Nelson's. What I'm trying to say is, if we weren't interested in Howard, we would have NEVER acquired or even thought about Booth. NEVER! If that never happened, this discussion wouldn't even be taking place right now. So why even dispute the fact that he was a throw in, something we were very fortunate to come across.

Murphy3
05-14-2001, 02:48 PM
would the mavericks have made the trade to washington without getting booth or jahidi white?
NO!!!!!
therefore, they are not throw-ins

giostar
05-14-2001, 04:18 PM
Hey Murph... I think he is saying that we couldnt have made the trade if they were not thrown in. Salary Cap issues would have prevented it. So maybe Booth was thrown is as that extra player to sweeten the deal. maybe we wanted White but ended up with Booth. But either way, the key is that we wanted Howard, and would have accepted either one.

Murphy3
05-14-2001, 04:27 PM
i know the mavs wanted howard most of all., but they would not have made the trade without booth or white, therefore, booth isn't a throw in.
ekezie, maybe he's a throw in, but not booth.

MFFL
05-14-2001, 04:38 PM
One of the players we got in the Kidd/Finley trade was Sam Cassell. The only reason he was traded was his contract situation. Nellie got here and found out that Sam wanted an ungodly contract or he was going to leave via free agency.

TheKid
05-14-2001, 05:08 PM
thank you Gio star, I knew it wasn't that complicated what I was saying.

Mavinator
05-14-2001, 05:46 PM
Murphy3- I believe you're incorrect about Washington's salary cap position. I believe Cuban did the math and figured that when Juwan's contract expires, Washington will actually have more players on their roster with a higher cumulative salary than Juwan's, so they are in fact a bit worse off in terms of the salary cap and the free agent market. The ONLY way they benefited from this trade was to pick up the young and talented Courtney Alexander and Etan Thomas...

MFFL
05-14-2001, 08:32 PM
I liked Alexander, but I wasn't too disappointed in losing either player. This was one of the worst rookie classes in the last 10 years. The Mav took those two players with the 12th and 13th pick in a bad draft. They probably would have been late 1st rounders in a more talented draft class.

djb
05-14-2001, 09:03 PM
Sacramento Kings' vice president of operations, Geoff Petrie, was selected Monday as the NBA Executive of the Year. Billy King of the Sixers finished second.

MFFL
05-14-2001, 09:14 PM
What the hell? i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif

Fidel
05-14-2001, 09:58 PM
Hmmm yeah second for destroying the sixers future, that makes sense.
Even if the sixers reach the finals they will be swept there.

MFFL
05-14-2001, 10:15 PM
dj - did Nellie get any votes? I haven't seen an article on it yet.

djb
05-14-2001, 10:17 PM
Here's a link (http://espn.go.com/nba/news/1999/0804/39601.html) to the article. It only mentions Petrie receiving nine votes and King receiving six.

MFFL
05-14-2001, 10:49 PM
According to the Sporting News, MARK CUBAN got 4 votes! i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/articles/20010514/316725.html

Murphy3
05-15-2001, 08:39 AM
i know the wizards may have the higher payroll than before, but they ARE NOT in a worse position.
they got rid of the one guy that was untradeable because of his contract.
now, they can wheel and deal, they have guys on their roster that can be traded without a miracle occurring

MFFL
05-15-2001, 08:44 AM
They might have a lighter anchor, but Loy Vaught is still expensive dead weight.

Murphy3
05-15-2001, 09:27 AM
i do agree, but it is a much lighter anchor