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Windmill360
02-21-2008, 11:29 AM
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GMs: Miami Shopping Marion
February 21, 2008 - 11:23 am
Philadelphia Daily News -
In regards to the reported Cleveland blockbuster trade, David Aldridge writes that the Grizzlies and Heat are said to be involved.

Aldridge was told by six GMs during All-Star weekend that the Heat were actively shopping Shawn Marion.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/51011/20080221/gms_miami_shopping_marion/

This guy is usually reliable, so I am bending my rule about forwarding trade speculation from others. As to the substance of it, this is the only thing I hear: Miami and Memphis may be the other players involved. That makes sense because of the following sentence fragment: I was told by no less than six general managers during All-Star weekend that the Heat was shopping Shawn Marion around.

Yup. Marion.

My guess is that they know it will be very difficult to re-sign Marion if he doesn't opt out of his contract after this season and plays out the 2008-09 season. He has one of the toughest agents in the business, Dan Fegan, and Fegan has one goal and one goal only--to get his guys the absolute max. He usually succeeds. If Riles or Micky Arison blanches at that price tag, it would make sense for them to ask around and see what they can get for the Matrix.

If--if--it's Marion, that would certainly give LeBron James some serious help.

My guess is that Miami would wind up with Mike Miller, and Memphis would get that Jason Williams-Ricky Davis slew of expiring contracts. But what would Cleveland donate to the party? That's what's stumping me. Can't imagine Riles would be excited about Larry Hughes, for example. Drew Gooden is on a much shorter contract, though. Ilgauskas? Well, Riles does believe in power basketball, and Z is still 7-2, last time we checked.

Stay tuned. I'm on the bird for a couple of hours, but I'll get back to you before 3 p.m.

Underdog
02-21-2008, 11:30 AM
Josh Howard for Shawn Marion in a heartbeat...

Jack.Kerr
02-21-2008, 11:34 AM
I can't see any team maxing Marion. A contender won't have the cap room, and a rebuilding team won't anchor on a 30-something small forward.

DirkFTW
02-21-2008, 11:34 AM
But his shooting form is so ugly!

u2sarajevo
02-21-2008, 11:40 AM
I thought there were rules against trading a player you just acquired from trade after 24 or 48 hours.....

Did that change?

MavsX
02-21-2008, 11:46 AM
that is crazy...i thought they wanted to rebuild with wade and marion...guess not.

Underdog
02-21-2008, 11:53 AM
I thought there were rules against trading a player you just acquired from trade after 24 or 48 hours.....

Did that change?


Those rules only apply to teams owned by Mark Cuban...

DevinHarriswillstart
02-21-2008, 12:05 PM
I thought there were rules against trading a player you just acquired from trade after 24 or 48 hours.....

Did that change?


I thought it was that you could trade them by themselves but not packaged? I dunno, the CBA is ever so confusing.

Dr.Zoidberg
02-21-2008, 12:13 PM
I thought it was that you could trade them by themselves but not packaged? I dunno, the CBA is ever so confusing.Right!

AxdemxO
02-21-2008, 01:00 PM
Kidd to Marion ally oooppps

Dr.Zoidberg
02-21-2008, 01:23 PM
Agent: Marion Not Being Shopped
February 21, 2008 - 2:02 pm

Philadelphia Inquirer - Dan Fegan, agent for Shawn Marion (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/161/shawn_marion/), has informed David Aldridge that his client is not being shopped and is not involved in the Cleveland rumors.

Link (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/51015/20080221/agent_marion_not_being_shopped/)

Dr.Zoidberg
02-21-2008, 01:27 PM
About the Cleveland blockbuster:Wallace And Duhon For Hughes?
February 21, 2008 - 2:06 pm

Ric Bucher/ESPN - The Cavaliers are discussing a deal where Ben Wallace (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/436/ben_wallace/) and Chris Duhon (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/982/chris_duhon/) would go to Cleveland for Larry Hughes (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/131/larry_hughes/), according to ESPN's Ric Bucher.

Chad Ford reports that a source tells him the deal would send Wallace, Duhon and Joe Smith (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/438/joe_smith/) for Hughes and Drew Gooden (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/718/drew_gooden/).

The holdup in the deal, according to Ford, is Cleveland's instance that Hughes be included. If the Cavs drop that demand, the Bulls will reportedly agree.

Bucher also reports that if the Cavs make the Bulls trade, they would then deal Donyell Marshall (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/341/donyell_marshall/) and Ira Newble (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/318/ira_newble/) to Seattle for Wally Szczerbiak (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/296/wally_szczerbiak/).

RealGM Note: The Cavaliers would need to add more salary in order to make the deal work, which could lead to the inclusion of Shannon Brown (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/680/shannon_brown/).

Link (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/51016/20080221/wallace_and_duhon_for_hughes/)

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs
02-21-2008, 01:43 PM
If the trade is supposed to be Larry Hughes for Ben Wallace and Duhon and the Bulls don't want Larry Hughes how exactly is this close to being done exactly?

MavsFanFinley
02-21-2008, 01:51 PM
Report: Gerald Green Traded To Houston

February 21, 2008 - 2:45 pm
MyFox Houston -
Gerald Green is telling FOX 26 Sports he has been traded to his hometown Houston Rockets for guard Kirk Snyder and a second-round draft pick.

"It's like a dream come true. Never in my life did I think this would happen," Green said. "I am on cloud nine."

Portland Sending T. Green To Denver For Von Wafer

February 21, 2008 - 2:47 pm
Philadelphia Inquirer -
Portland is sending Taurean Green to Denver for G Von Wafer, according to David Aldridge

Underdog
02-21-2008, 02:03 PM
Report: Gerald Green Traded To Houston

February 21, 2008 - 2:45 pm
MyFox Houston -
Gerald Green is telling FOX 26 Sports he has been traded to his hometown Houston Rockets for guard Kirk Snyder and a second-round draft pick.

"It's like a dream come true. Never in my life did I think this would happen," Green said. "I am on cloud nine."

Portland Sending T. Green To Denver For Von Wafer

February 21, 2008 - 2:47 pm
Philadelphia Inquirer -
Portland is sending Taurean Green to Denver for G Von Wafer, according to David Aldridge


Damn - this trading stuff is getting out of hand...

MavsFanFinley
02-21-2008, 02:05 PM
Eddie Najera for Delonte West/Damien Wilkens

Not confirmed yet but some Nuggets fans are keeping us updated on another board.

Dr.Zoidberg
02-21-2008, 02:05 PM
WOW

The Twolves management is a bunch of morons. How can they trade one of their best prospects to the Rockets for Snyder and a second round pick?

The Southwest Division is getting more and more stacked...

ty
02-21-2008, 02:14 PM
Why? Green is like their 5th-6th guard. All the guy can do is dunk.

Foye, Jaric, Mccants, Brewer, Telfair. Tell me where Green ranks in that rotation.

Dirkenstien
02-21-2008, 02:20 PM
If Denver gets West and other for freeking Najera I'll be pretty upset.

Dirkenstien
02-21-2008, 02:22 PM
Why? Green is like their 5th-6th guard. All the guy can do is dunk.

Foye, Jaric, Mccants, Brewer, Telfair. Tell me where Green ranks in that rotation.

Yeah but he really is exactly what they needed to get. Fresh young legs to run the court while Ming is out.

Edit: I think Minny should have gotten more than that for him.

MavsFanFinley
02-21-2008, 02:23 PM
ESPN News said a 10 player trade between the Bulls, Cavs, and Sonics is being finalized.

Underdog
02-21-2008, 02:24 PM
ESPN News said a 10 player trade between the Bulls, Cavs, and Sonics is being finalized.

wtf?

Dr.Zoidberg
02-21-2008, 02:26 PM
Why? Green is like their 5th-6th guard. All the guy can do is dunk.

Foye, Jaric, Mccants, Brewer, Telfair. Tell me where Green ranks in that rotation.18th first round pick with a lot of potential. He was used only rarely by the Twolves (?) and therefore had no chance to develop. And could do a lot more than only dunk. Here a little scouting report of him:NBA Comparison: Tracy McGrady

Everything this kid does is silky smooth, even hard drives to the lane capped with the empahatic dunk seem easy... Has supreme athleticism, and gets many points off ally oop dunks as well as on drives to the hole... Has a very quick, effortless release on his jump shot. Combine that with great elevation and you have an almost unblockable shot... Most of the shots go in, in fact his jump shot from midrange to outside is one of his defining qualities... Loves to spot up for the open three, or stop and pop for the 15 footer... Overall just a sick scorer from outside ... Even At 6'8 he handles the ball like a guard, often starting (and finishing) the fast break... Loves to run the floor for the ally oop dunk, but also knows when to pass the ball... Most of those passes get right where they need to be ... However, those fast breaks don't just start themselves, Gerald is often the one creating the turnovers... His long arms and tremendous athleticism lead to lots of blocked shots and steals. Often creating the turnover, starting the break, and finishing with a monster dunk... Also rebounds exceptionally well for a guard/forward his size... The total package, an all around player who will do whatever it takes to win. There aren't many with his gifts at his size... With time and effort this kid will be something special.

Weaknesses: Effort seems suspect at times, can often be seen walking or resting on the court... Kind of has that I'll do what I want domineer when on the court, and sometimes appears to put style over substance... Also, he'll be spectacular one game, but then he'll forget to dominate...where is he? Needs to put up the monster performances that brought him where he is on a more consistent basis... Needs to bulk up, right now gets pushed around easily. Will have to improve his leg and upperbody strength to finish his drives... He has broad shoulders and a great frame, just needs to put in the work... Still dominating high schoolers, needs to bring his game to a point where he can do it at the next level as well.

Notes: College could launch his game to a whole n'other level. Early this year, he Began making some noise in Texas, but was relatively unknown until his breakout performance at the 2004 Reebok's ABCD camp, where he averaged about 20 ppg, was named to the all-star team, and won the MVP of the all star game.

-Rob Salvador 11/6/04

Link (http://nbadraft.net/profiles/geraldgreen.asp)

MavsFanFinley
02-21-2008, 02:26 PM
I'm trying to get the details but it's a combination of what we've already been hearing this morning.

Something like Duhon, Wallace and Smith to Cleveland for Hughes and Gooden

Then Cleveland sends Newble, Marshall, and Brown to Seattle for Szerbiak

Dirkenstien
02-21-2008, 02:27 PM
ESPN News said a 10 player trade between the Bulls, Cavs, and Sonics is being finalized.

From the chat with Ford session it seems like Cleveland will be landing Wally Szcerbiak, Ben Wallace, and Duhon.

I don't know who they'd be sending, though.

10 players...sheesh.

Dirkenstien
02-21-2008, 02:29 PM
I'm trying to get the details but it's a combination of what we've already been hearing this morning.

Something like Duhon, Wallace and Smith to Cleveland for Hughes and Gooden

Then Cleveland sends Newble, Marshall, and Brown to Seattle for Szerbiak

Cleveland is brave if they want to try to take on that Ben Wallace contract. Although I do think Wallace will play better beside a legitimate 7-footer.

AxdemxO
02-21-2008, 02:29 PM
Can we get Wlcox for cheap or some other big from a team thts apperently trying to get rid of every1

Dirkenstien
02-21-2008, 02:29 PM
Unless it's already happened it aint gunna happen.

Dor
02-21-2008, 02:31 PM
Wally Szcerbiak, Ben Wallace, and Delonte West.

MavsFanFinley
02-21-2008, 02:34 PM
Update:

Cavs get: Ben Wallace, Wally Szerbiak, Joe Smith, Delonte West

Bulls get : Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden, Cedric Simmons

Sonics get : Chris Duhon, Ira Newble, Donyell Marshall

DevinHarriswillstart
02-21-2008, 02:35 PM
WOW

The Twolves management is a bunch of morons. How can they trade one of their best prospects to the Rockets for Snyder and a second round pick?

The Southwest Division is getting more and more stacked...


Antoine Wright is better then Gerald Green so relax.

ty
02-21-2008, 02:35 PM
18th first round pick with a lot of potential. He was used only rarely by the Twolves (?) and therefore had no chance to develop. And could do a lot more than only dunk. Here a little scouting report of him:

Who doesn't have potential? Mo Ager had a nice scouting report and he had potential too.

IMO, I just don't think it's that big of a trade/deal. *yawns

Dr.Zoidberg
02-21-2008, 02:39 PM
Antoine Wright is better then Gerald Green so relax.I am relaxed! As long, as itīs not the Mavs... :p

Dr.Zoidberg
02-21-2008, 02:40 PM
Who doesn't have potential? Mo Ager had a nice scouting report and he had potential too.

IMO, I just don't think it's that big of a trade/deal. *yawnsWe will see...

By the way, Ager will develop in a big force at the Nets. ;)

twistaeffect2004
02-21-2008, 02:41 PM
I have no link to this, just saw it as Breaking News on ESPNEWS

The trade as I believe it's assembled looks like this

Cavs Receive: B. Wallace, Wally, D. West, J. Smith

Bulls Receive: L. Hughes, D. Gooden, C. Simmons

Sonics Receive: C. Duhon, I. Newble, D. Marshall

MavsFanFinley
02-21-2008, 02:44 PM
Cavs Get Wallace, Smith, West And Wally

February 21, 2008 - 3:35 pm
ESPN News -

The Cavaliers have acquired Ben Wallace, Joe Smith, Delonte West and Wally Szczerbiak in a three-team trade.

The Bulls receive Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden, while Seattle gets Chris Duhon, Ira Newble and Cedric Simmons.

The deal is currently under league review.

MavsFanFinley
02-21-2008, 02:44 PM
Already being discussed in the trade thread.

ty
02-21-2008, 02:46 PM
We will see...

By the way, Ager will develop in a big force at the Nets. ;)

I hope he + Devin = 1, 2 punch to get a ring.

MavsFanFinley
02-21-2008, 02:50 PM
WTF?

Dixon Traded, Destination Unknown

February 21, 2008 - 3:43 pm
Toronto Star -

Juan Dixon has been traded by the Toronto Raptors , but he still doesn't know where his final destination will be.

It will be a one-for-one deal with some cash likely involved

Dirkenstien
02-21-2008, 02:53 PM
Good deal for the Cavs. I was hoping we could nab West.

Dirkenstien
02-21-2008, 02:53 PM
WTF?

Dixon Traded, Destination Unknown

February 21, 2008 - 3:43 pm
Toronto Star -

Juan Dixon has been traded by the Toronto Raptors , but he still doesn't know where his final destination will be.

It will be a one-for-one deal with some cash likely involved

Haha. That's Classic.

MavsFanFinley
02-21-2008, 02:56 PM
Juan Dixon was traded to Detroit for Primoz Brezec.

Dirkenstien
02-21-2008, 02:57 PM
Juan Dixon was traded to Detroit for Primoz Brezec.

Meh.

MavsFanFinley
02-21-2008, 03:00 PM
Yeah, not real big on the Dixon/Brezec trade.

However, ESPN News is reporting that the 3 team trade between the Cavs-Sonics-Bulls is now an 11 player trade but the update they have right now only shows 9.

New Details Of Cleveland Three-Way

February 21, 2008 - 3:54 pm
Philadelphia Inquirer -

According to David Aldridge, the Cavaliers, Bulls and Sonics have agreed to a three-way trade.

The Cavaliers receive Ben Wallace, Joe Smith, Wally Szczerbiak and Delonte West.

The Bulls receive Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden.

The Sonics receive Ira Newblem, Donyell Marshal and Chicago's Adrian Griffin

DevinHarriswillstart
02-21-2008, 03:00 PM
Why did detroit ever trade Nazr?

DevinHarriswillstart
02-21-2008, 03:01 PM
Yeah, not real big on the Dixon/Brezec trade.

However, ESPN News is reporting that the 3 team trade between the Cavs-Sonics-Bulls is now an 11 player trade but the update they have right now only shows 9.

New Details Of Cleveland Three-Way

February 21, 2008 - 3:54 pm
Philadelphia Inquirer -

According to David Aldridge, the Cavaliers, Bulls and Sonics have agreed to a three-way trade.

The Cavaliers receive Ben Wallace, Joe Smith, Wally Szczerbiak and Delonte West.

The Bulls receive Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden.

The Sonics receive Ira Newblem, Donyell Marshal and Chicago's Adrian Griffin

Yes....I hope the Sonics buyout Grif....Waive Jones and sign Griffin.

MavsFanFinley
02-21-2008, 03:07 PM
Marc Stein reports the trade as follows:

Cavs get: Wallace, Wally, Smith, West, Bulls future 2nd round pick

Bulls get: Hughes, Gooden, Simmons, Brown

Sonics get: Newble, Marshall, Griffin

LonghornDub
02-21-2008, 03:11 PM
I'm not sure how that trade makes any of the involved teams better. I guess it makes the Cavs a bit better. I thought Gooden was pretty good, though.

Dirkenstien
02-21-2008, 03:11 PM
Well,

The Spurs didn't get Miller or Artest.

Denver didn't get Miller or Artest.

PHX didn't get their extra defensive swingman.

I'd call that a success from the Mavs perspective.

DelNegro
02-21-2008, 03:14 PM
It's cap space for Seattle, so I get their motives. The Cavs come out okay, so I get their motives too. But Larry Hughes has damn near as much $$$ on his deal as Wallace has on his, so other than just really, really, really being tired of Big Ben's act I don't see what they get out of it.

Underdog
02-21-2008, 03:15 PM
Jesus Balls - all this action & nothing more for the Mavs...

Janett_Reno
02-21-2008, 03:18 PM
Wow the trades. Seattle looks like they are just trying to sell off. Grizz seems to be doing this some as well. I like this for the Cavs. Wally is a good shooter and has some height and will try hard. He will really benefit from a guy like James. They need bench guys like him or if he starts. I thing Z is pretty good but on offense. I thought Cleveland lacked bad on defense in the paint. Duncan killed them. Now they have a good defensive center and a good offensive center. It is just sad not many can play both ways anymore in the nba at center. I know Ben Wallace is over paid but they needed to move Hughes so bad and also they needed help on defense in the paint.

The funny thing is, all the playoff teams are looking for help. They are wanting centers. So teams go out looking and it is no centers left playing basketball or many that are to good and they are still trading and shuffling Mutombo, Mourning, Magloire, Shaq, Ben Wallace, Kurt Thomas around. The Nets wanted Diop.

This might help the Bulls on scorring. The Cavs are back in the mix.

bernardos70
02-21-2008, 03:21 PM
Well,

The Spurs didn't get Miller or Artest.

Denver didn't get Miller or Artest.

PHX didn't get their extra defensive swingman.

I'd call that a success from the Mavs perspective.

Yup, that basically sums it up.

LonghornDub
02-21-2008, 03:23 PM
Well,

The Spurs didn't get Miller or Artest.

Denver didn't get Miller or Artest.

PHX didn't get their extra defensive swingman.

I'd call that a success from the Mavs perspective.

Agreed. Big success as far as we're concerned.

I was glad to hear that the Spurs got KT, simply because it meant that they weren't getting Artest.

DelNegro
02-21-2008, 03:27 PM
I'd rather have KT instead of Artest. Everyone in the west, save one, made moves to get bigger. Thomas is probably starting by year's end.

Dirkenstien
02-21-2008, 03:28 PM
Yeah I think Lebron has a better team around him now than this morning

Illgouskas / Verajao
Wallace / Smith
Lebron / Pavlovic
Sczerbiak / Gibson
Duhon / West / Jones


Their backcourt got a lot more athletic and they now have a decent inside outside game for Lebron to utilize.

Dirkenstien
02-21-2008, 03:34 PM
You'd rather have KT than Artest? If Artest can keep his head on straight with the SA guys around him they would be the favorites to win it all, in my opinion. KT in San Antonio doesn't worry me at all, although it does make them a little deeper.

LonghornDub
02-21-2008, 03:36 PM
I'd rather have KT instead of Artest. Everyone in the west, save one, made moves to get bigger. Thomas is probably starting by year's end.

Then you're crazy. Artest would have made SA the prohibitive favorite. As it is, they've improved their size by lost their best perimeter threat (IMO).

I'm less scared of the Spurs now than I was 2 days ago. With Artest, I would have been 50x more scared.

Janett_Reno
02-21-2008, 03:48 PM
They say Wally still shoots a good % and West is athletic and good. Hughes has been a thorn in their side. Boston and Detroit was best i thought but now i think they will also have to deal with the Cavs. One funny thing to observe, is Shaq and Ben Wallace shooting ft's as they have to get ready because the ball could hit and bounce off anywhere. Maybe not even hit the rim.

DelNegro
02-21-2008, 03:50 PM
You'd rather have KT than Artest? If Artest can keep his head on straight with the SA guys around him they would be the favorites to win it all, in my opinion. KT in San Antonio doesn't worry me at all, although it does make them a little deeper.

That's one pretty big "IF", if you ask me. And I'm not talking about him starting another riot, although you can't completely discount that possibility either. Sure he puts up numbers, but he's out there doing his own thing. The Spurs are pretty structured both on offense and defense. That all falls apart if you put a 5 man lineup on the floor where only 4 of them are interested in running the plays. Great talent. I don't dispute that. But sometimes there are more important things than talent.

Plus, I've seen Fabricio Oberto try to guard Shaq and Yao and I didn't like it too much.

DelNegro
02-21-2008, 03:55 PM
Then you're crazy. Artest would have made SA the prohibitive favorite. As it is, they've improved their size by lost their best perimeter threat (IMO).

I'm less scared of the Spurs now than I was 2 days ago. With Artest, I would have been 50x more scared.

You're thinking like a fantasy basketball GM instead of a real basketball GM. Thomas will fit perfectly next to Duncan. He can guard both PF and C which frees up Duncan to freelance on defense. He's good on the boards, and rebounding has been a problem for the Sprus. And if you leave him defensively he can hit that 15 footer to make you pay. Plus, he replaces a guy in Elson who wasn't being used anymore. Bring in Artest and you have to sit someone who currently is producing.

LonghornDub
02-21-2008, 04:03 PM
You're thinking like a fantasy basketball GM instead of a real basketball GM. Thomas will fit perfectly next to Duncan. He can guard both PF and C which frees up Duncan to freelance on defense. He's good on the boards, and rebounding has been a problem for the Sprus. And if you leave him defensively he can hit that 15 footer to make you pay. Plus, he replaces a guy in Elson who wasn't being used anymore. Bring in Artest and you have to sit someone who currently is producing.

Artest can essentially guard every position (except big C's). He's also a much better player than KT on the offensive end.

Sorry, but I'm not buying it. I understand what you're saying, but the difference between the two in terms of talent is too big for any reasonable argument that this is actually a better move for SA.

Dirkenstien
02-21-2008, 04:10 PM
Artest can essentially guard every position (except big C's). He's also a much better player than KT on the offensive end.

Sorry, but I'm not buying it. I understand what you're saying, but the difference between the two in terms of talent is too big for any reasonable argument that this is actually a better move for SA.

I agree. If SA would have gotten Artest for Barry, Elson and a future pick I would've been devastated. The West would've just been too damn tough to believe.

But they didn't so I'm a happy camper.

DelNegro
02-21-2008, 04:12 PM
Artest can essentially guard every position (except big C's). He's also a much better player than KT on the offensive end.

Sorry, but I'm not buying it. I understand what you're saying, but the difference between the two in terms of talent is too big for any reasonable argument that this is actually a better move for SA.

You're right. Ron Artest can guard every position except big C's. Pretty much every contender in the western conference has one of those though.

In any event, nothing wrong with "agree to disagree".

untitled
02-21-2008, 04:23 PM
The Cavs just got a good bit older and a little worse, IMO. Seems to me that their management just wanted to make a trade to fit in with everyone else.

BigD
02-21-2008, 04:25 PM
Per Fox Sports

LonghornDub
02-21-2008, 04:25 PM
You're right. Ron Artest can guard every position except big C's. Pretty much every contender in the western conference has one of those though.

In any event, nothing wrong with "agree to disagree".

KT fills a need, there's no doubt.

BigD
02-21-2008, 04:27 PM
Don't have any other details bc I dont have access at work. Can somebody please post the article.

Why couldnt we get Ben Wallace? He would have been perfect.

DirkFTW
02-21-2008, 04:55 PM
Wow, BigD that sig is... old. =)

StackAttack
02-21-2008, 05:30 PM
Don't have any other details bc I dont have access at work. Can somebody please post the article.

Why couldnt we get Ben Wallace? He would have been perfect.

Think of all the "retired" Mavs that would have to be involved in a trade for a 60 million dollar contract.

Dtownsfinest
02-22-2008, 10:45 AM
Maybe I overrate what the Cavs did but they came out great IMO. They get 3 potential starters in Delonte West, Wally and Ben Wallace and not to mention Joe Smith who's solid as well. They trade Hughes and Marshall basically? Good deal for the Cavs. Got the interior defense upgraded as well as got more outside shooting to go with Boobie Gibson and Pavlovic.

sike
02-22-2008, 01:12 PM
Cavs just got way better....Wally is a great support option.