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Dtownsfinest
11-21-2008, 04:19 PM
Clippers nearing trade for Knicks’ Randolph

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The New York Knicks have agreed in principle to send power forward Zach Randolph to the Los Angeles Clippers, two league sources said Friday afternoon.

The Clippers would send Tim Thomas and Cuttino Mobley to the Knicks for Randolph and guard Mardy Collins.

After trading Jamal Crawford to the Golden State Warriors for Al Harrington on Friday morning, the Knicks will clear approximately $27 million in salary-cap space for the summer of 2010 when their obsession, Cleveland’s LeBron James, can become a free agent.

Randolph will be making $17.3 million and Crawford, $10.1 million, in 2010. For the Knicks, this would create significant flexibility as that historic free-agent class of James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh hits the market.

The teams had previously discussed a Randolph trade over the summer and the Clippers began even motivated to do a deal after opening the season 2-10.

Randolph, who is averaging 20.6 points this season, gives the Clippers an accomplished low-post scorer to work with guard Baron Davis.

Looks like Knicks are clearin' cap space and are actually finding takers.

basketballgirl25
11-21-2008, 04:25 PM
Looks like Knicks are clearin' cap space and are actually finding takers.

lucky them:mad:, I hope every team kills and beats them for the rest of the season

Caseman
11-21-2008, 04:34 PM
Why so early? Isn't the Lebron sweepstakes 2 years from now?

mac222b
11-21-2008, 04:35 PM
Does this mean Clips are planning on trading Kaman or Camby? Can't have 3 low post guys making 10 million+ per year.

Dtownsfinest
11-21-2008, 04:39 PM
Why so early? Isn't the Lebron sweepstakes 2 years from now?

Anybody who was willing to take on Crawford or Randolph's contracts......man you have to jump on it. I'm shocked they found takers. I just think you're playing with fire bankin' on a race in 2010. NETS are also in the race and are expected to be the front runners for Lebron right now. There's some big time free agents though.


Player Team Type
Maurice Evans Atlanta Unrestricted F.A.
Al Horford Atlanta Restricted F.A.
Acie Law Atlanta Restricted F.A.
Kendrick Perkins Boston Unrestricted F.A.
Paul Pierce Boston Unrestricted F.A.
Jared Dudley Charlotte Restricted F.A.
Nazr Mohammed Charlotte Unrestricted F.A.
Jason Richardson Charlotte Unrestricted F.A.
Joakim Noah Chicago Restricted F.A.
Darnell Jackson Cleveland Restricted F.A.
LeBron James Cleveland Unrestricted F.A.
Delonte West Cleveland Unrestricted F.A.
Jose Barea Dallas Unrestricted F.A.
Erick Dampier Dallas Unrestricted F.A.
Josh Howard Dallas Unrestricted F.A.
Dirk Nowitzki Dallas Unrestricted F.A.
Kenyon Martin Denver Unrestricted F.A.
J.R. Smith Denver Unrestricted F.A.
Sonny Weems Denver Restricted F.A.
Arron Afflalo Detroit Restricted F.A.
Tayshaun Prince Detroit Unrestricted F.A.
Rodney Stuckey Detroit Restricted F.A.
Kelenna Azubuike Golden State Unrestricted F.A.
Marco Belinelli Golden State Restricted F.A.
Jamal Crawford Golden State Unrestricted F.A.
Richard Hendrix Golden State Restricted F.A.
Brandan Wright Golden State Restricted F.A.
Shane Battier Houston Unrestricted F.A.
Aaron Brooks Houston Restricted F.A.
Chuck Hayes Houston Unrestricted F.A.
Carl Landry Houston Unrestricted F.A.
Ming Yao Houston Unrestricted F.A.
Mike Dunleavy Indiana Unrestricted F.A.
T.J. Ford Indiana Unrestricted F.A.
Jeff Foster Indiana Unrestricted F.A.
Troy Murphy Indiana Unrestricted F.A.
Jamaal Tinsley Indiana Unrestricted F.A.
DeAndre Jordan L.A. Clippers Restricted F.A.
Mike Taylor L.A. Clippers Restricted F.A.
Al Thornton L.A. Clippers Restricted F.A.
Kobe Bryant L.A. Lakers Unrestricted F.A.
Pau Gasol L.A. Lakers Unrestricted F.A.
Vladimir Radmanovic L.A. Lakers Unrestricted F.A.
Sasha Vujacic L.A. Lakers Unrestricted F.A.
Greg Buckner Memphis Unrestricted F.A.
Mike Conley Memphis Restricted F.A.
Javaris Crittenton Memphis Restricted F.A.
Marc Gasol Memphis Restricted F.A.
Hamed Haddadi Memphis Restricted F.A.
Marko Jaric Memphis Unrestricted F.A.
Antoine Walker Memphis Unrestricted F.A.
Marcus Banks Miami Unrestricted F.A.
Mario Chalmers Miami Restricted F.A.
Daequan Cook Miami Restricted F.A.
Dwyane Wade Miami Unrestricted F.A.
Dan Gadzuric Milwaukee Unrestricted F.A.
Richard Jefferson Milwaukee Unrestricted F.A.
Luc Mbah a Moute Milwaukee Unrestricted F.A.
Michael Redd Milwaukee Unrestricted F.A.
Corey Brewer Minnesota Restricted F.A.
Sebastian Telfair Minnesota Unrestricted F.A.
Keyon Dooling New Jersey Unrestricted F.A.
Chris Douglas-Roberts New Jersey Restricted F.A.
Yi Jianlian New Jersey Restricted F.A.
Sean Williams New Jersey Restricted F.A.
Tyson Chandler New Orleans Unrestricted F.A.
Morris Peterson New Orleans Unrestricted F.A.
Peja Stojakovic New Orleans Unrestricted F.A.
Julian Wright New Orleans Restricted F.A.
Wilson Chandler New York Restricted F.A.
Eddy Curry New York Unrestricted F.A.
Jared Jeffries New York Unrestricted F.A.
Zach Randolph New York Unrestricted F.A.
Nick Collison Oklahoma City Unrestricted F.A.
Kevin Durant Oklahoma City Restricted F.A.
Jeff Green Oklahoma City Restricted F.A.
Samuel Dalembert Philadelphia Unrestricted F.A.
Reggie Evans Philadelphia Unrestricted F.A.
Willie Green Philadelphia Unrestricted F.A.
Jason Smith Philadelphia Restricted F.A.
Thaddeus Young Philadelphia Restricted F.A.
Amare Stoudemire Phoenix Unrestricted F.A.
Alando Tucker Phoenix Restricted F.A.
Greg Oden Portland Restricted F.A.
Joel Przybilla Portland Unrestricted F.A.
Spencer Hawes Sacramento Restricted F.A.
John Salmons Sacramento Unrestricted F.A.
Ian Mahinmi San Antonio Restricted F.A.
Tony Parker San Antonio Unrestricted F.A.
Chris Bosh Toronto Unrestricted F.A.
Kris Humphries Toronto Unrestricted F.A.
Jason Kapono Toronto Unrestricted F.A.
Roko Ukic Toronto Restricted F.A.
Andrei Kirilenko Utah Unrestricted F.A.
Caron Butler Washington Unrestricted F.A.
Oleksiy Pecherov Washington Restricted F.A.
Darius Songaila Washington Unrestricted F.A.
DeShawn Stevenson Washington Unrestricted F.A.
Nick Young Washington Restricted F.A.

basketballgirl25
11-21-2008, 04:46 PM
Anybody who was willing to take on Crawford or Randolph's contracts......man you have to jump on it. I'm shocked they found takers. I just think you're playing with fire bankin' on a race in 2010. NETS are also in the race and are expected to be the front runners for Lebron right now. There's some big time free agents though.

yeah there are some big time free agents, I don't think the Nets will have a great chance at getting Lebron, I would love it if it happened, but there are some other players that are free agents that are good and might help the Nets.

Dtownsfinest
11-21-2008, 04:50 PM
yeah there are some big time free agents, I don't think the Nets will have a great chance at getting Lebron, I would love it if it happened, but there are some other players that are free agents that are good and might help the Nets.

Well you can't ignore the friendship of Lebron and Jay-Z. Not that it makes it a sure deal but its something you have to look at. I honestly think Lebron stays in Cleveland.

dirno2000
11-21-2008, 05:03 PM
One thing that rarely gets mentioned is that Cleveland could get below the cap and make a run at a big name FA to put with Lebron.

That being said I don't think the Nets and the Knicks are taking huge gambles. Getting rid of overpaid players is never a bad thing. You can turn things around pretty quickly with a good GM and cap room.

horse900703
11-21-2008, 06:01 PM
we should get him~

alby
11-21-2008, 07:14 PM
I can easily see Lebron and Wade signing with the same team in 2010.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs
11-21-2008, 07:15 PM
lol @ Ming Yao

Dtownsfinest
11-21-2008, 09:08 PM
I can easily see Lebron and Wade signing with the same team in 2010.


What team is going to have atleast 45 million under the cap lol?

alby
11-21-2008, 11:20 PM
What team is going to have atleast 45 million under the cap lol?
The knicks...

that's the whole point of these moves...

alby
11-21-2008, 11:22 PM
with Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Dirk, Amare, Joe Johnson, Nash, etc. all FA's that year... The Knicks are going to be stacked heading into the 2010/2011 season.

Dtownsfinest
11-22-2008, 01:05 AM
The knicks...

that's the whole point of these moves...

Yea but they won't have 45 million worth of cap space. Unless they just go into the season with no one on the roster. They're just going to let Nate Robinson and David Lee go? Remember they're on their rookie contracts and they too are a part of that 2010 free agent class. And you know Gallinari is gonna be there. You can't clear up 45 million dollars worth of cap space and expect for anyone to come join your team. This is why I think he stays with Cleveland. He has a pretty good supporting cast around him now. Especially compared to what NY may have in 2010.

Dirkenstien
11-22-2008, 09:35 AM
Honestly I think a lot of people are overlooking one team who poses a serious threat to get Lebron but has been flying under the radar in the Lebron sweepstakes. Portland. For three reasons.

1) Cleveland will be the only team with the ability to pay Lebron $220 mil as opposed to $200 mil, meaning a sign and trade would not be out of the question considering Lebron is a business man and wants to get paid.

2) Portland at the moment is the future of the NBA. In two years Greg Oden will probably be the most dominant center in the game and Portland will be a legitimate title contender. They have the young dominant Center, they have the star swingman, and they have a TON of talent and depth everywhere on the depth chart. Cleveland will not want to lose the best player in the league for nothing and with a S&T with Portland they can get some serious talent/picks etc. in return. They're also in the Western conference, which Cleveland would undoubtedly prefer Lebron goes to.

3) Lebron is smart. He knows that it doesn't matter what market you're in. It doesn't matter if you're in New York or Charlotte, if you're the greatest player in the game, a global icon, and play on the best team in the league then endorsements will be piled up on your door step begging for you to take them. People buy into success, Lebron wants success (championships) and this allows him to have the best opportunity for success barring any major injuries to Greg Oden and Brandon Roy. They would be a force in this league that would probably result in a dynasty and make a mark in NBA history forever.

So in essence, Lebron gets paid and gets his chance to win lots of championships while Cleveland gets something back in return for the best player in the league. It's going to catch the league and media by surprise because so many people are focusing on teams clearing cap space just to have a "chance" that they are overlooking the most legitimate threat.... a sign and trade to an already contending team.

alby
11-22-2008, 11:35 AM
How LeBron Could Kick Off Knicks' Shopping Spree

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/columnists/Stein_Marc_55.jpg (http://search.espn.go.com/marc-stein/) By Marc Stein
ESPN.com
(Archive (http://search.espn.go.com/marc-stein/))

Just LeBron James (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1966)? Why do the New York Knickerbockers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=nyk) have to stop there?

The Knicks made two payroll-slashing trades Friday that suggest they have far more grandiose ideas about the delicious free-agent summer of 2010. When I ran this past a few people who would know how they think in the executive suite at Madison Square Garden, I wasn't exactly dissuaded from the following claim: Donnie Walsh and Mike D'Antoni are brazen enough to think they'll have enough flexibility to try to sign LeBron, Chris Bosh (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1977) and Steve Nash (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=592) for Nash's last hurrah when the bidding opens, oh, about 586 days from now.

And here's the thing: That might just be mathematically possible now.

It is often said that those of us in the media tend to get a bit hysterical when we start talking about the NBA signing frenzy that looms in July of Twenty-Ten. To which I can only say: Us?

We're really only taking our cue from the teams we cover.

Seriously. Thanksgiving 2008 is still days away, and we've already seen Detroit and New York combine to push through three league-shaking trades, each of them with a run at LeBron that can't start for more than 19 months accounting for most, if not all, of the trigger-pulling motivation.

No one seems terribly interested in that famed cautionary tale which reminds us that Shaquille O'Neal (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=0614) is the only max-contract free agent in league history to switch teams and win a championship, racking up three rings with the Lakers (and one after being traded to the Heat) after leaving the Magic.

As noted in our LeBron opus earlier this month (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-081108-09), no fewer than 15 teams -- including the Cavaliers -- awoke Friday morning with less than $40 million in committed salaries on their books for 2010-11, hoarding salary-cap space for a free-agent class so tantalizing that we scarcely talk about folks such as Amare Stoudemire (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1727), Dirk Nowitzki (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=609) and Joe Johnson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1007).

Yet that list has a new A-Team after the Knicks managed to shed their long-term salary obligations to Zach Randolph (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1017) and Jamal Crawford (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=165) in a matter of hours in separate deals with the Clippers and Warriors. Doing what Walsh has vowed to do since he arrived -- but doing it faster than even he could have dreamed -- leaves only four current players on the payroll beyond 2009-10: Eddy Curry (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=990) (scheduled to earn $11.3 million in 2010-11), Jared Jeffries (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1717) (unlikely to opt out of the $6.8 million he's due), Danilo Gallinari (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3428) ($3.3 million) and Wilson Chandler (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3194) ($2.1 million).

So …

Although it'll take ongoing personnel diligence to keep that many spots open for the summer of truth, starting with the decisions that certainly have to be made soon on extensions for David Lee (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2772) and Nate Robinson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2782), it's suddenly presumed all over the league that the team in the most irresistible market to James will look even more attractive than expected with room to sign two elite players ... just as it is instantly presumed that the Knicks will have too much money, too much big-city appeal and too much fun potential with D'Antoni coaching not to come away with top talent no matter what happens with James.
"Imagine how sick Danny Ferry (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=240) must be feeling right now," one top executive said, referring to the Cavaliers' GM.

Imagine, too, what happens if the Knicks find a way to move Curry in the next 19 months and create more flexibility.

Remember that warning we ran last week from our Team USA insider about the likes of James and Bosh or Bosh and Dwyane Wade (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1987) wanting to play together full time? "All of these players," he said, "want to play with each other in the NBA."

It shouldn't be too difficult, if Curry goes, to envision D'Antoni urging Nash to finish his career on a short-term deal as a Stocktonesque setup sage for the young guns who plays less than 30 minutes a night in a city where the 34-year-old spends his offseasons playing soccer. Especially if the Suns don't start to rediscover the fun that clearly has drained out of some Phoenix faces since D'Antoni left.

I haven't budged from the belief that it's still way too soon for anyone to state with certainty that James is leaving Cleveland, or that Cleveland has lost its status as the favorite to keep him, even with teams such as San Antonio, Miami, Detroit, Portland and Dallas also expected to making pitches to the likes of LeBron, Bosh and Wade. I will likewise continue to say that the Cavs have much greater hope for re-signing their would-be Global Icon than Orlando ever had of keeping O'Neal, given LeBron's lifelong connections to Ohio, their owner's willingness to spend to keep James in perpetual championship contention and Shaq's thirst at the time to go Hollywood.

You're going to hear it ad nauseam until LeBron actually signs that next contract -- King James to the Knicks is a done deal! -- and we're going to keep countering with this: Why would LeBron decide anything so soon?

Remember, things change fast in this league. Take Friday, for example. Years of wasteful spending in Gotham, which gradually sucked the life and hope out of the greatest basketball arena in the world, were seemingly undone by one afternoon of heavy New York trading.

Isiah Thomas (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3507), incidentally, does get an assist here. The Knicks plummeted so far on Zeke's watch that Walsh could interrupt an unexpectedly positive 6-5 start by dumping D'Antoni's top two scorers on the fourth Friday of the season and still immediately convince his fan base that waiting 586 days to see whom the Knicks finally land with all that spending money is the right play.

LeBron?
And Bosh?
And Nash?

OK, OK. It's going to be a long time before we get any of those answers, so we'll try to show some restraint from here.

At least we'll try until Tuesday night. That's when LeBron's Cavs visit MSG … and when the media pests swarm James with those uncomfortable questions that teams such as the Knicks won't allow us to save for a later date.

---


To me, I think it'll be Nash/Lebron/Amare joining New York and Bosh coming back home to Dallas. But, we'll see.

Burn this City
11-22-2008, 12:02 PM
Looks like LeBron to the Knicks is a done deal - at least in Donnie Walsh's mind.

1) Become GM of a major market team in the NBA. Check.
2) Make sure they play in what is consistently called the Mecca of basketball. Check.
3) Hire a coach that every player wants to play for. Check.
4) Clear enough cap space to sign any free agents you want in 2010. Check.
5) Make sure 1 of those free agents is named LeBron James.

I'm just hoping all the major FA's decide to stay with their current teams so this strategy just blows up in Walsh's face.

basketballgirl25
11-22-2008, 12:13 PM
Looks like LeBron to the Knicks is a done deal - at least in Donnie Walsh's mind.

1) Become GM of a major market team in the NBA. Check.
2) Make sure they play in what is consistently called the Mecca of basketball. Check.
3) Hire a coach that every player wants to play for. Check.
4) Clear enough cap space to sign any free agents you want in 2010. Check.
5) Make sure 1 of those free agents is named LeBron James.

I'm just hoping all the major FA's decide to stay with their current teams so this strategy just blows up in Walsh's face.

if that blows up in Walsh's face I'd laugh, not because I dislike Walsh or anything just because the Knicks are one of the teams people say Lebron will go to and if he doesn't I think Knicks fans would go crazy

craggmac
11-22-2008, 12:27 PM
I hate the Knicks. If Lebron goes to the Knicks I will hate Lebron.

Dtownsfinest
11-22-2008, 12:46 PM
Honestly I think a lot of people are overlooking one team who poses a serious threat to get Lebron but has been flying under the radar in the Lebron sweepstakes. Portland. For three reasons.

1) Cleveland will be the only team with the ability to pay Lebron $220 mil as opposed to $200 mil, meaning a sign and trade would not be out of the question considering Lebron is a business man and wants to get paid.

2) Portland at the moment is the future of the NBA. In two years Greg Oden will probably be the most dominant center in the game and Portland will be a legitimate title contender. They have the young dominant Center, they have the star swingman, and they have a TON of talent and depth everywhere on the depth chart. Cleveland will not want to lose the best player in the league for nothing and with a S&T with Portland they can get some serious talent/picks etc. in return. They're also in the Western conference, which Cleveland would undoubtedly prefer Lebron goes to.

3) Lebron is smart. He knows that it doesn't matter what market you're in. It doesn't matter if you're in New York or Charlotte, if you're the greatest player in the game, a global icon, and play on the best team in the league then endorsements will be piled up on your door step begging for you to take them. People buy into success, Lebron wants success (championships) and this allows him to have the best opportunity for success barring any major injuries to Greg Oden and Brandon Roy. They would be a force in this league that would probably result in a dynasty and make a mark in NBA history forever.

So in essence, Lebron gets paid and gets his chance to win lots of championships while Cleveland gets something back in return for the best player in the league. It's going to catch the league and media by surprise because so many people are focusing on teams clearing cap space just to have a "chance" that they are overlooking the most legitimate threat.... a sign and trade to an already contending team.

You may be right. I'm looking at the Blazers and all of their key guys join free agency in 2011. Damn........................I wonder why they aren't in discussions. They're guys are still under their rookie contracts.

dirno2000
11-22-2008, 01:18 PM
That Stein article is called needing to fill up space for the Daily Dime. Here's the most important sentence:

I haven't budged from the belief that it's still way too soon for anyone to state with certainty that James is leaving Cleveland, or that Cleveland has lost its status as the favorite to keep him

Stranger
11-22-2008, 02:34 PM
A bigger market might be attractive to Lebron. But by cleaning house like this, teams like NY may look like bad places to go if you want to win a ring. Cleveland's supporting cast seems pretty solid right now. Combine that with a larger contract, and I think there's a pretty good chance Lebron stays put.

alby
11-22-2008, 02:56 PM
If Lebron goes to the Knicks, his jersey will be the #1 seller for the next decade.

Caseman
11-22-2008, 03:48 PM
Maybe this is just wishful thinking, but is there any chance Lebron would sign with Dallas? He might have to take a slightly lesser paycheck, but Dirk+Lebron could be quite a force [/drool]

alby
11-22-2008, 04:46 PM
I think there is definitely a chance of that. Don't forget about Amare/Bosh/Wade/JoeJohnson.

basketballgirl25
11-22-2008, 04:46 PM
Maybe this is just wishful thinking, but is there any chance Lebron would sign with Dallas? He might have to take a slightly lesser paycheck, but Dirk+Lebron could be quite a force [/drool]

if he wants a ring more he could sign with Dallas I think because Cuban wants to win, but if he wants more money I think it would be less likely if you guys still have Dirk because you mention he might have to take a lesser paycheck.

Dtownsfinest
11-22-2008, 07:25 PM
The guy I want the Mavs to sign is Bosh. A Lincoln High School product. It would take a lot to get under the cap to get him though.

Burn this City
11-22-2008, 07:29 PM
Maybe this is just wishful thinking, but is there any chance Lebron would sign with Dallas? He might have to take a slightly lesser paycheck, but Dirk+Lebron could be quite a force [/drool]

I don't think LeBron would leave Cleveland for Dallas and I don't see Dwayne Wade leaving South Beach either, but any of those other guys on that list of free agents is worth targeting.

Hitman
11-23-2008, 05:52 AM
I would bet the farm that LeBron is going to the Knicks.

He wants to be the biggest sports icon of all time, and that simply is not going to happen if he spends his career in Cleveland. He wants to play in the mecca.

alby
11-23-2008, 09:09 AM
Anywhere but Cleveland will be an improvement.

BGMaverick9
11-23-2008, 11:17 AM
It'll be hard to say that if they keep winning at the rate they're winning now.

Dtownsfinest
11-23-2008, 11:37 AM
I would bet the farm that LeBron is going to the Knicks.

He wants to be the biggest sports icon of all time, and that simply is not going to happen if he spends his career in Cleveland. He wants to play in the mecca.

But he's making Cleveland a sports town again like MJ did for Chicago. MJ never played for a huge market team like LA or New York. I think that's just the least of what Lebron wants IMO. I don't see him downgrading just to play in New York.

Hitman
11-23-2008, 01:36 PM
But he's making Cleveland a sports town again like MJ did for Chicago. MJ never played for a huge market team like LA or New York. I think that's just the least of what Lebron wants IMO. I don't see him downgrading just to play in New York.

I guess we shall see. But if the Knicks have Lee, Robinson, Gallinari and this years lottery picks signed, and can also sign another max player to go with LeBron, then it would be hard for LeBron, at 25 years old and signing the biggest contract of his life, to say no to playing on Broadway. I just have a hunch he will say yes.

And Cleveland is not Chicago.

Burn this City
11-23-2008, 02:53 PM
But he's making Cleveland a sports town again like MJ did for Chicago. MJ never played for a huge market team like LA or New York. I think that's just the least of what Lebron wants IMO. I don't see him downgrading just to play in New York.

Isn't Chicago the 3rd biggest media market in the country after NY and LA?

dirno2000
11-23-2008, 04:21 PM
I guess we shall see. But if the Knicks have Lee, Robinson, Gallinari and this years lottery picks signed, and can also sign another max player to go with LeBron, then it would be hard for LeBron, at 25 years old and signing the biggest contract of his life, to say no to playing on Broadway. I just have a hunch he will say yes.

And Cleveland is not Chicago.

You're assuming that they can sign two max players without doing a sign and trade. I can't recall it even happening once. Maybe with the extra Nike money Lebron would be willing to give up the 6th year and 12% raises but would anyone else? I doubt it.

FreshJive
11-23-2008, 05:29 PM
Isn't Chicago the 3rd biggest media market in the country after NY and LA?

Chicago 3rd, Ceveland 17th
1 New York, NY; 2 Los Angeles, CA; 3 Chicago, IL; 4 Philadelphia, PA; 5 Dallas - Ft. Worth, TX; 6 San Francisco - Oakland - San Jose, CA; 7 Boston, MA; 8 Atlanta, GA; 9 Washington, DC; 10 Houston, TX; 11 Detroit, MI; 12 Phoenix, AZ; 13 Tampa - St. Petersburg - Sarasota, FL; 14 Seattle - Tacoma, WA; 15 Minneapolis, MN; 16 Miami - Ft. Lauderdale, FL; 17 Cleveland - Akron, OH

Kidd Karma
11-23-2008, 05:54 PM
You're assuming that they can sign two max players without doing a sign and trade. I can't recall it even happening once. Maybe with the extra Nike money Lebron would be willing to give up the 6th year and 12% raises but would anyone else? I doubt it.

Yea, rarely happened, closest i recall was orlando with Hill and McGrady....but that's out of pure recall. Knicks will have the space to bring in 2 in 2010. Will Lebron do it? HE went against the grain when he signed this contract, when Anthony and Denver had agreed to a max 6 year contract, LBJ wanted a 4 year option contract because of the CBA.....I think in the end LBJ will stay in Cleveland.

dirno2000
11-23-2008, 05:57 PM
Yea, rarely happened, closest i recall was orlando with Hill and McGrady....but that's out of pure recall. Knicks will have the space to bring in 2 in 2010. Will Lebron do it? HE went against the grain when he signed this contract, when Anthony and Denver had agreed to a max 6 year contract, LBJ wanted a 4 year option contract because of the CBA.....I think in the end LBJ will stay in Cleveland.

Not sure about McGrady but Hill was a sign and trade. That's how the Pistons got Ben Wallace.

FINtastic
11-23-2008, 06:04 PM
And the one Orlando really wanted to land - Duncan - ended up saying no anyways. It's not like it never happens, but these megastars rarely leave their teams for another. And it's virtually impossible for a team to land two at once (like the Knicks apparently want to do). If LeBron ends up in New York with David Lee, Nate Robinson, and whatever other scrubs they fill the roster with, is he really in any better shape than he was in Cleveland?

chumdawg
11-23-2008, 06:26 PM
If Lebron moves from CLE to NY, he is definitely in better shape.

BGMaverick9
11-23-2008, 06:42 PM
That's the question though, is he really in better shape? NY has put itself in prime condition for 2010, but at the price of leaving themselves pretty questionable for now and heading into that season. D'Antoni really will have to maximize the talent he has around him with his style. He was doing so with Randolph, so maybe he can with the new pieces.

But if he doesn't, and Cleveland stays on par with what they're doing in terms of talent coming in and wins...I would think Lebron stays. He also gets more money via Cleveland than anyone else can offer.

Bayliss
11-23-2008, 07:15 PM
But in two years how good of shape will Cleveland truly be in? Ben Wallace will be gone or useless by that time. Big Z will be a shell of himself.

BGMaverick9
11-23-2008, 08:16 PM
Who knows...that's why I really can't buy into any full speculation right now. It's absurd for people to legitimately try to project where he will go. There are too many variables in play. Maybe this time next year...you might be able to have a better grasp.

dirt_dobber
11-23-2008, 09:08 PM
we are never promised tomorrow - even more so for an athlete.

especially an NBA player, knees are so fragile.

All the more reason to carpe diem with Dirk & company!

Dtownsfinest
11-23-2008, 11:25 PM
I guess we shall see. But if the Knicks have Lee, Robinson, Gallinari and this years lottery picks signed, and can also sign another max player to go with LeBron, then it would be hard for LeBron, at 25 years old and signing the biggest contract of his life, to say no to playing on Broadway. I just have a hunch he will say yes.

And Cleveland is not Chicago.

No its not but Lebron hasn't brought a championship to Cleveland yet. I just think at this point the Knicks are a horrible team once they let all of their guys walk to free agency. Lee is a solid guy as is Nate Robinson. The jury is out on Gallinari but would I rather be surrounded by Nate Robinson and David Lee or Ilgauskaus, Szcberiak, Mo Williams and Boobie Gibson? But you're right. Chicago was a pretty good sports town before MJ got ahold to it but right now it isn't what it was when MJ was there.

Dtownsfinest
11-23-2008, 11:28 PM
But in two years how good of shape will Cleveland truly be in? Ben Wallace will be gone or useless by that time. Big Z will be a shell of himself.

Two years is not that far from now lol. I think Ben will be the same player he is now. Its not like he relies on offense and his athleticism to play. Ilgauskaus I don't know. I think he'll still be solid but older. But even then David Lee and Robinson is suppose to make Lebron leave Cleveland? Now the Nets on the other hand thats another story. Especially with Yi and Harris there. But I want to hear more about this Portland situation. They have a great team now. All are under their rookie contracts until the 2011 season. Aldridge, Oden, Bayless, Roy and Lebron? That scares the shi* out of me.

Kidd Karma
11-23-2008, 11:56 PM
Two years is not that far from now lol. I think Ben will be the same player he is now. Its not like he relies on offense and his athleticism to play. Ilgauskaus I don't know. I think he'll still be solid but older. But even then David Lee and Robinson is suppose to make Lebron leave Cleveland? Now the Nets on the other hand thats another story. Especially with Yi and Harris there. But I want to hear more about this Portland situation. They have a great team now. All are under their rookie contracts until the 2011 season. Aldridge, Oden, Bayless, Roy and Lebron? That scares the shi* out of me.

LBJ is of the silk stone as Kidd, he won't leave a team to join a ring. Kidd had a similar decision in moving to SA and joining Duncan, he passed on it to earn his ring. I can't see Lebron joining a star studded team. He knows MJ created his own legacy, Kobe wanted it so bad. He has that in Cleveland and I believe he will stick there.

Dtownsfinest
11-24-2008, 12:17 AM
LBJ is of the silk stone as Kidd, he won't leave a team to join a ring. Kidd had a similar decision in moving to SA and joining Duncan, he passed on it to earn his ring. I can't see Lebron joining a star studded team. He knows MJ created his own legacy, Kobe wanted it so bad. He has that in Cleveland and I believe he will stick there.

But even Kobe plays with 2 or 3 other all stars lol. But I actually agree with you. I don't buy into this hype which is why I thought the Knicks should be careful on what they give up in thinking that Lebron is a sure thing. I think he stays in Cleveland. His supporting cast is better. Now if the Trailblazers start calling I think it would be in his best interest to join that team. In two years they'll still be struggling due to their youth. He would be the final piece.

Hitman
11-24-2008, 01:23 AM
LeBron wants to be bigger than Jordan, bigger than Kobe.

He will be 25 years old and about to make the decision that will shape his legacy. Commit to playing his prime years in Bumble-f**k, or come to the entertainment, media and basketball capital of the world.

The decision will not be a hard one. He has already made it.

dirno2000
11-24-2008, 01:33 AM
Jordan's legacy is six titles. Lebron doesn't become bigger than Jordan simply by signing with the Knicks.

Hitman
11-24-2008, 01:34 AM
A bigger market might be attractive to Lebron. But by cleaning house like this, teams like NY may look like bad places to go if you want to win a ring. Cleveland's supporting cast seems pretty solid right now. Combine that with a larger contract, and I think there's a pretty good chance Lebron stays put.

If you don't think Nike would make up the difference in salary, then you are smoking crack.

LeBron James playing on the big stage of NYC is Nike's wet dream.

xavier
11-24-2008, 03:31 AM
Does anyone think dirk would jump ship for either more money or a better chance of a championship?

Thespiralgoeson
11-24-2008, 06:24 AM
Why the hell would New York want Nash?

alby
11-24-2008, 08:38 AM
Lebron could bring only 1 championship to New York and he'll be remembered for it for the rest of his life.

Underdog
11-24-2008, 08:55 AM
Lebron could bring only 1 championship to New York and he'll be remembered for it for the rest of his life.

Yeah, he'll be remembered for having 1/6 the titles that Jordan has...

(I'd rate Kobe higher all-time if that's all Bron-Bron can muster for a career...)


And I think you're overrating how much anyone gives a sh!t about the city of New York - LeBron's "market" is the entire country (as far the money goes into HIS pocket - endorsements are worldwide)... He'll make more money than God no matter where he plays, so winning a title should be more of a priority than playing in a large market...

The way I see it - New York has more to gain from LeBron than LeBron does from New York... Might as well stick in Cleveland if the team is better...