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horse900703
01-06-2010, 03:30 PM
NEW YORK -- NBA commissioner David Stern has indefinitely suspended Gilbert Arenas, saying the Washington Wizards guard is "not currently fit to take the court" for a game.
Stern says in a statement Wednesday that Arenas' actions will "ultimately result in a substantial suspension, and perhaps worse."

Because Arenas violated NBA rules by bringing guns into Washington's locker room, Stern decided to punish Arenas now. He said the suspension begins immediately.

Stern says he originally planned to wait for the criminal investigation to be completed before taking action, and directed the Wizards to do the same.

Every game Arenas ends up missing during the suspension will cost him $147,208.


The suspension comes after multiple media reports over the weekend said that a dispute over a gambling debt led to a conflict between Arenas and teammate Javaris Crittenton.

Multiple sources told ESPN.com that an argument commenced during a card game on the team's overnight flight back to Washington from Phoenix on Dec. 19 and escalated into a heated exchange between Arenas and Crittenton. The Wizards had Dec. 20 off, but sources say hostilities between the two resumed Dec. 21 in the locker room on a practice day.

Sources say that Arenas, in response to what was said on the flight, placed the three guns on a chair near Crittenton's locker stall and invited him to pick one before practice on Dec. 21. Sources said that Crittenton subsequently let Arenas know that he had his own gun.

The Washington Post reported in Sunday's editions that Arenas, according to sources, was expecting Crittenton to see the guns on his chair as a joke based on the earlier back-and-forth on the plane, during which Crittenton allegedly said that he would shoot Arenas in his surgically repaired knee. But Crittenton, according to Post, reacted angrily and tossed one of the guns to the floor, saying he had his own.

In his statement, Arenas confirmed that the guns were brought out at the Dec. 21 practice.

"As I have said before, I had kept the four unloaded handguns in my house in Virginia but then moved them over to my locker at the Verizon Center to keep them away from my young kids," the statement read. "I brought them without any ammunition into the District of Columbia, mistakenly believing that the recent change in the D.C. gun laws allowed a person to store unloaded guns in the District. On Monday, December 21st, I took the unloaded guns out in a misguided effort to play a joke on a teammate.

"Contrary to some press accounts, I never threatened or assaulted anyone with the guns and never pointed them at anyone. Joke or not, I now recognize that what I did was a mistake and was wrong. I should not have brought the guns to D.C. in the first place, and I now realize that there's no such thing as joking around when it comes to guns -- even if unloaded."

Arenas met with law enforcement officials on Monday to explain why he had guns at the Verizon Center last month.

Arenas' lawyer issued a statement saying that the player met with federal prosecutors at the United States Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia and detectives of the Metropolitan Police Department for more than two hours.

At the NBA's request, the firearms language was bolstered during collective bargaining in 2005. Players are subject to discipline if they bring guns to the arena or practice facility, or even an offsite promotional appearance.


What an Idiot...

rabbitproof
01-06-2010, 03:49 PM
At first, I thought that's not so bad for a NBA player.

Then I thought man it'd be ridiculous stupid if someone did that at my work.

That's when I realized that things have become ridiculously stupid for NBA players.

There's a good article by Karl Malone about this though.

92bDad
01-06-2010, 04:53 PM
Call me crazy, but I don't see what the big deal is.

So what if he had a gun at work...it was stored and unloaded.

No doubt, other players knew he had it...I'ld be surprised if anyone owns up to this knowledge.

All this self-rightous talk coming out of some sports shows is pretty insane.

Was it a bit stupid of Arenas...sure, but not near as stupid as this over zealous reaction we are seeing.

If the PR machine hadn't overreacted then Stern would have let the court system do it's job before deciding on what to do with Arenas.

This is not much different than when Switzer had a gun in his Gym bag...having forgot that he put his gun in the bag in the first place.

To non-Gun Owners, this seams unbelievable...but for those who own guns and handle them on a regular basis, a gun becomes a tool, a thing...

A thing that deserves car and respect, but nevertheless it's a thing that is on a long list of things that people have.

Now personally, I have no dog in this fight, I don't care about Arenas, I don't care about the Wizards and outside of the Mavs I don't care for the NBA.

Heck, I don't even OWN a gun...but I believe in ones right to own one and I believe that Arenas is being used by a corrupt system that is afraid of Gun Violence.

I say that this is different than Plaxico Buress...after all, he carried a concealed weapon, loaded and shot it off in public.

Arenas, based on all reports had an unloaded weapon...hell, it might as well have been a water pistol...it's useless without the rounds...and provided that the reports to date are accurate and that their were no rounds in the building for Arenas or others to use then it's no big deal.

Final words, this is the Media, some individuals, some political groups/activists and the NBA OVERREACTING to what could have been dealt with IN-House.

sefant77
01-06-2010, 07:13 PM
Arenas isnt funny, he is an egocentric ass

Void him.

Story goes public and he went nuts on his twitter. Then some of his management writes him a lame ass Im sorry-Statement. Then he mocks the whole stuff and the NBA again during a game the next day. Now he is suspended and his management writes the next lame statement in his name...

Underdog
01-06-2010, 07:34 PM
Call me crazy, but I don't see what the big deal is.

So what if he had a gun at work...it was stored and unloaded.

No doubt, other players knew he had it...I'ld be surprised if anyone owns up to this knowledge.

All this self-rightous talk coming out of some sports shows is pretty insane.

Was it a bit stupid of Arenas...sure, but not near as stupid as this over zealous reaction we are seeing.

If the PR machine hadn't overreacted then Stern would have let the court system do it's job before deciding on what to do with Arenas.

This is not much different than when Switzer had a gun in his Gym bag...having forgot that he put his gun in the bag in the first place.

To non-Gun Owners, this seams unbelievable...but for those who own guns and handle them on a regular basis, a gun becomes a tool, a thing...

A thing that deserves car and respect, but nevertheless it's a thing that is on a long list of things that people have.

Now personally, I have no dog in this fight, I don't care about Arenas, I don't care about the Wizards and outside of the Mavs I don't care for the NBA.

Heck, I don't even OWN a gun...but I believe in ones right to own one and I believe that Arenas is being used by a corrupt system that is afraid of Gun Violence.

I say that this is different than Plaxico Buress...after all, he carried a concealed weapon, loaded and shot it off in public.

Arenas, based on all reports had an unloaded weapon...hell, it might as well have been a water pistol...it's useless without the rounds...and provided that the reports to date are accurate and that their were no rounds in the building for Arenas or others to use then it's no big deal.

Final words, this is the Media, some individuals, some political groups/activists and the NBA OVERREACTING to what could have been dealt with IN-House.

The issue isn't that he had a gun on him, but that he actually pulled it on someone.

This isn't a Second Amendment debate, ass.

Dirkadirkastan
01-06-2010, 07:58 PM
The issue isn't that he had a gun on him, but that he actually pulled it on someone.

This isn't a Second Amendment debate, ass.

Quoted for Truth (as well as the fact Underdog is on 92bDad's ignore list)

MavsX
01-06-2010, 09:23 PM
good i hate that guy.

mary
01-06-2010, 09:34 PM
The issue isn't that he had a gun on him, but that he actually pulled it on someone.

This isn't a Second Amendment debate, ass.


Some people will politicize anything, no matter how irrelevant or inappropriate.

sefant77
01-06-2010, 10:54 PM
If that is true Goodbye Crittenton

According to two first-hand accounts of the confrontation, Crittenton responded to Arenas's action -- which included laying the four unloaded weapons in Crittenton's cubicle with a note that read, "Pick One" -- by brandishing his own firearm, loading the gun and chambering a round.

Windmill360
01-06-2010, 11:03 PM
edit?

92bDad
01-07-2010, 10:56 AM
Some people will politicize anything, no matter how irrelevant or inappropriate.

Go figure, a person I ignored politicized an issue.

I'll have to give him credit though, he has an opinion...so for some reason, if you have an opinion it becomes politics.

As for me, I happen to believe that people are quite simply overreacting to the whole thing.

Heck, I laughed one time, as I was at a trade show in Vegas around 2003...and a few of the stands were giving out water guns...being as I worked with kids at home, in our church...I thought I'ld bring these Clear Plastic Water Guns home to give out to the kids and have water gun fights...only to have them confiscated at the airport by security. I laughed it off...they were toys for crying out loud...

The Arenas incident so far, I have only heard that he had Guns stored in his locker with NO Bullets around. He pulled on out, knowing it was empty and used it mockingly at another player. (Poor taste to do so, but nevertheless it was harmless)

At worst, they should confiscate his guns and let him know that this is not allowed at this facility.

Heck make him take another Gun Safety class, don't give him his guns back and move on.

Albeit, I'm not surprised at the rash of reactions against Arenas...we live in a society that is quick to cast stones...this is saddly amusing...best of wishes to those who are directly affected by the incident...to the rest of us, we are like a bunch of posterior holes...we each have an opinion and none of them smell to good:D

mary
01-07-2010, 11:02 AM
I wasn't referring to UD.

DirkFTW
01-07-2010, 12:10 PM
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc168/mouseanony/arenas.jpg

92bDad
01-07-2010, 12:59 PM
I wasn't referring to UD.

I can't imagine who else you were referring to.

I re-read the thread and the only one that brought up politics was the ignored one...which I would not have read or responded to if not for others who felt the need to quote him.

Thank you for feeding this into a political tit for tat...I continue to ignore the one...if you choose to play in his games, then so be it.

Have a great day.

Underdog
01-07-2010, 01:22 PM
I believe in ones right to own one and I believe that Arenas is being used by a corrupt system that is afraid of Gun Violence.

The issue isn't that he had a gun on him, but that he actually pulled it on someone.

This isn't a Second Amendment debate, ass.
Some people will politicize anything, no matter how irrelevant or inappropriate.
I can't imagine who else you were referring to.

I re-read the thread and the only one that brought up politics was the ignored one.


http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h12/acidkidd/Sex.jpg

Have a great day.

ShaggyDirk
01-07-2010, 01:25 PM
Good LORD, you are out of hand!??!.. do you really work with kids? I just couldn't imagine placing my kid in the same room with you.

On a more precise note, never point a weapon at anything you don't intend to shoot. Basic safety law which forest man clearly glossed over because he was to busy talking about irrelevant off topic drivel.

ShaggyDirk
01-07-2010, 01:30 PM
The most disturbing part of this thread is 92bDad works with children..

Underdog
01-07-2010, 01:40 PM
The Arenas incident so far, I have only heard that he had Guns stored in his locker with NO Bullets around. He pulled on out, knowing it was empty and used it mockingly at another player. (Poor taste to do so, but nevertheless it was harmless)

If I put an empty gun (that you didn't know was empty) to your child's head and pulled the trigger, would you start laughing?

Let's meet up and try it for real - I wanna see where the limits of good taste begin and end with you...



EDIT: you're a total hypocrite if you report this post to the mods as harassment (but you would certainly prove my point!)

92bDad
01-07-2010, 02:34 PM
Dang some of you are pretty stupid!!!

First what Arenas did was STUPID...nobody argues that.

Second, the reaction to the incident has gone overboard.

Why sould he be suspended?

Fair punishment is to confiscate his guns, send him to some remedial training...and apply the same punishment to others who were involved in the "Joke"

Deal with this in house, it's clear that those not involved are not equipped to deal with the incident.

And Shaggy, yes I work with kids...coached kids, worked with them on and off through the church's AWANA program. I have a great reputation with the kids and the parents.

You wouldn't want to put your kids in a room with me...it's your choice, but you don't know me, so I really don't care. I would hope that you are the best judge for you own kids and that you have selected some quality people to influence your kids...that's all anyone could want.

Nice to know that on this board, folks can disagree on issues and still get along.

Have a great day my friend...you opinion is duely noted

Dirkadirkastan
01-07-2010, 02:36 PM
Crittenton's gun wasn't empty.

mcsluggo
01-07-2010, 02:38 PM
the story that I heard was that Arenas laid out some (unloaded) guns on a chair near the scrub's (crittendom?) locker with a note that said "choose one".

kinda stupid? ..... yeah
deserving of some punishment ? ...... probably
deserving of the BS circus that will ensue for the next 37 months? hmmm


personally I think the leagues are full of scat EVERY time they try to ride a holy horse and make a statement. They were full of crap in the response to the Artest fight.... baseball's post facto indignation on steroids has been more disgusting than their contemporaneous obvious ignoring of the issue... the Vick affair sanctimony was horseshit .... bah humbug.

muzak
01-07-2010, 03:41 PM
http://www.truthaboutit.net/pictures/arenas-crittenton-way-of-the-gun.jpg

This one's good hehe.

fluid.forty.one
01-07-2010, 04:04 PM
Why hasn't Crittenton been suspended yet?

Underdog
01-07-2010, 04:11 PM
Why hasn't Crittenton been suspended yet?

Good point.

mavsgirl4134
01-07-2010, 04:45 PM
First, I thought I read somewhere that Arenas doesn't even have a license to own a gun. That's against the law right? Second, if any "normal" person took a gun to work and jokingly did that to someone, I'm pretty sure they would be fired and put in jail. Guns aren't a joke. I don't care if he was just "joking" or if they weren't even loaded. It's not a joke and it's not funny. It's serious, and his ass deserves to be suspended, as well as the other guy. I don't see how anyone is overreacting about this.

Kinda off topic but I work at a hospital, and a few years ago there was a guy that was roaming the halls, most likely a family member of a patient but I'm not sure because I don't know the whole story. Anyhow, this guy goes to the back of the hospital where there is a gazebo and shoots himself. I was there that day and I saw the guy laying there from one of the hospital rooms. Now at that moment I didn't know anything about what was going on, I found things out later, but that guy had been in the hospital with a gun and he could have done anything. So really, it's not just a silly thing those guys did.


92bdad, I like you and I don't have a problem with you. I know you are a hardcore Republican and all that, but the government and the system isn't out to get everybody all the time. :)


Sorry for the hijack.

GermanDunk
01-07-2010, 04:47 PM
OK, i donīt know what guns have to do in a locker room ( except he wanted to sell them Plaxico ). Thatīs a case for the courts. But whatīs the prob when GA aims a finger on his teammates ?

rabbitproof
01-07-2010, 05:14 PM
Why hasn't Crittenton been suspended yet?

Leads me to believe the NBA still wants to investigate the gun incident itself but that it was Gilbert's unapologetic attitude set Stern off whereas Crittenton has maintained he's innocent and that these are false charges.

bernardos70
01-07-2010, 05:38 PM
Ok, part of being employed in a company is knowing its policies (but, but, but David Stern isn't his boss! yadda yadda etc), and if it wasn't clear from all the changes David Stern has made in the last few years about off-court incidents, I'll spell it out for you: he's trying to make the league's image cleaner, more family friendly, more of an E-rated product, not an MA-rated product. If you knew your boss (but, but, but David Stern isn't his boss! yadda yadda etc) didn't like it when you brought guns to the office, or otherwise do something to damage the image of the very product he's trying to market, would you try him by doing that very thing? He deserves it all because he's a complete fool, and a fool and his money shall soon be parted.

DirkFTW
01-07-2010, 11:33 PM
you opinion is duely noted

Come on, let's just settle this over a game of five card DRAW!

bernardos70
01-08-2010, 10:01 AM
Your duel challenge has been dually noted (for redundancy).

MX425
01-08-2010, 10:36 AM
Agreed MavsGirl. If I brought my empty gun to work today and set it on a desk of a coworker I would be fired and escorted from the building. You cannot create a hostile work environment, or act in a manner that may cause panic. Maybe Stern shouldn't have suspended him, but only because the Wizards should have banished him from the team until this legal matter was settled.

92bDad
01-08-2010, 11:16 AM
My issue is more with the "Public Nature" of this.

I'm in favor of keeping things in-house, and out of the court of public opinion.

If the Wizards who employ the two players involved decide to take action, then it become public. If the NBA decides to take action, then it becomes public.

But for this to become public and see the so-called self-righeous indignation trigger a reaction by the league...something is wrong with that picture.

Either have the guts to do something from the Wizards perspective or the League's perspective BEFORE it ever becomes a story.

The problem is that the League is reacting to public opinion and not the incident itself. Which shed's some light on the league and it's inability to do the right thing based on the individual Character of those leading the league.

In otherwords, they are punishing, because they fear that if they don't they will lose money...so at the end of the day, Stern is all about money and not about doing the right thing from the start.


Personally, I have stated what I would have done...given the information we have. Like I have said, what Arenas did was stupid, but I don't see the need to suspend him at this time. Take his guns away, get him through some additional training...use counseling to get his state of mind and see if he understands what he did and why it was wrong...as well as the other guy.

Thus the reason to keep this incident in house...now that it's out, it's no longer in the control of those personally involved and it gets blown way out of proportion.

There appears to be a lynch-mob mentality and all they want to do is crucify one guy as if he himself took down the twin towers.

Besides, isn't there some other issue that could impact the game even more...this argument was over some "Gambling" debt. Does the NBA want to be associated with it's own players and Gambling?

This appears to be an issue of nearly everyone, including myself...jumping to some quick conclussions and then going with the pack in terms of judging someone.

Do we see the same outrage when a player gets a DUI...or when anyone gets a DUI, do they get Fired on the spot? They too could have easily killed someone...what about the bartender who served up the drink...should they be fired because a guest got a DUI...their action could have resulted in someone getting killed?

Most of us here, if not all of us here, have NO influence on this issue...let alone any personal involvement...so why are we so quick to judge and sentence someone?

Then again, it is our right to simply have an opinion and for others to agree or disagree...that my friends is the beauty of posting on message boards.

Oh and by the way, comparing an NBA Locker room to the workplace that you and I enjoy, is two totally different worlds and most of us, have trouble understanding the differences.

Have a great day young friends.

dalmations202
01-08-2010, 11:38 AM
Agreed MavsGirl. If I brought my empty gun to work today and set it on a desk of a coworker I would be fired and escorted from the building. You cannot create a hostile work environment, or act in a manner that may cause panic. Maybe Stern shouldn't have suspended him, but only because the Wizards should have banished him from the team until this legal matter was settled.

I guess this is true today. I might get fired at the job I am presently in, if I did this, and he didn't see it as a joke. Then again, I might have nothing happen to me here.

I have had a few jobs where it would have been stolen if I left one out -- but nothing but maybe an anonymous thank you if you got that.

With this said, I am old enough that I used to carry guns to one class, lock them up in the school gun vault, and then during class we would go out to the range and shoot skeet. All sanctioned by the school, and done with the schools ammunition -- yes public school 4A in Central Texas. To me it is funny, the different attitudes there are about guns, depending on your background.

Times do change. My children who are in high school now, would be expelled for having a gun on campus, but there were guns in the back glass or behind the seat of probably 20% of the vehicles when I was in school. Surprise, Surprise -- no one got shot or anything like that. No one pulled one on another. Fist fights were fist fights and not gun or knife fights.

With this said, I think Arenas was wrong, but I don't think it is as big of an issue as the media has made it out to be - at least not from what I have read. Playing a prank by laying out a hammer would be treated much differently because of the thoughts of guns, but it is just as deadly if used improperly. Maybe if he put four pictures of Cars in his locker -- cars kill more people in the US every year than guns do.
Wrong yes, public image problem, yes. Is Stearn worried about the guns, or the image of the NBA -- guaranteed, the image. This is a PR nightmare, with the substance really being what went on between the two. Arenas will be led to the slaughter, but in the end -- guns don't kill people, people kill people -- and the gun is just a tool that many people are SCARED of. Fear is what will cause this to be a major issue, instead of the minor one it really is.

Now, if guns were actually drawn, etc......that is a different story about men who are threatening each other. If you laid 4 guns in my chair though and said to pick one -- my preference is the Desert Eagle in .44 mag -- but I'd basically take any .45 acp in the 1911 or clone style. The other guy should have taken one, handed the other three back, and said thanks for the gun, IMO.

Underdog
01-08-2010, 12:20 PM
I'm in favor of keeping things in-house, and out of the court of public opinion.

It's a legal issue. The cops are investigating. It's 100% public.

Also, you don't think the fans that pay this man's salary should have an opinion?

MavsX
01-08-2010, 12:21 PM
why wouldn't you take the DE in .50? I'm in love with the .40 round fyi

Underdog
01-08-2010, 12:43 PM
With this said, I am old enough that I used to carry guns to one class, lock them up in the school gun vault, and then during class we would go out to the range and shoot skeet. All sanctioned by the school, and done with the schools ammunition -- yes public school 4A in Central Texas. To me it is funny, the different attitudes there are about guns, depending on your background.

Somehow I don't think Gil shoots skeet! ;)

Hell, he probably doesn't even have it for self defense - he strikes me as the type who loves the material aspect of a gun, no different than flashing a little bling.

I agree that different mindsets make for different kinds of gun owners, but all gun owners should be responsible gun owners (no different than car owners, since either one can kill if proper judgment isn't exercised).

dalmations202
01-09-2010, 06:07 PM
why wouldn't you take the DE in .50? I'm in love with the .40 round fyi
I already handload and shoot the .44, but don't have an automatic in it.

The .50 seems like a bit much -- (lol) like the .44 isn't most of the time. I use one of mine for deer hunting sometimes, and it is good out to 100 easy from a revolver. Makes for some fun, but I seldom use it anymore.

I am going to have to play with the .40 soon. My B-N-L just got one, and I'll borrow it after the new wears off for him, and then actually put it to use.

I'll have to see what it does to a deer to see how well I'll like it. I tend to judge a gun by how it carries, and knocks down deer sized animals.

dalmations202
01-09-2010, 06:12 PM
Somehow I don't think Gil shoots skeet! ;)

Hell, he probably doesn't even have it for self defense - he strikes me as the type who loves the material aspect of a gun, no different than flashing a little bling.

I agree that different mindsets make for different kinds of gun owners, but all gun owners should be responsible gun owners (no different than car owners, since either one can kill if proper judgment isn't exercised).

You are probably correct here. This is why I am sometimes cautious with my replies, because everyone just doesn't see things the way I do sometimes.

fluid.forty.one
01-10-2010, 06:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdeSo1RLaiA

what an idiot

MavsX
01-13-2010, 08:14 AM
I already handload and shoot the .44, but don't have an automatic in it.

The .50 seems like a bit much -- (lol) like the .44 isn't most of the time. I use one of mine for deer hunting sometimes, and it is good out to 100 easy from a revolver. Makes for some fun, but I seldom use it anymore.

I am going to have to play with the .40 soon. My B-N-L just got one, and I'll borrow it after the new wears off for him, and then actually put it to use.

I'll have to see what it does to a deer to see how well I'll like it. I tend to judge a gun by how it carries, and knocks down deer sized animals.

oh, well good for you man. You'd be surprised the .40 s&w kicks worse than a .45 acp. Not worse than a DE though! My buddy has a .45, and everybody including myself shoot more accurately with his .45 than with my .40. My girlfriend refuses to touch the .40 because it kicks too much. I like it though. I shoot pretty good with it, so i think it's just practice. Can't you change the barrel on the DE to a .50 if you wanted to? I only mention the .50 or the DE for that matter because that gun is always in movies especially Crank or Transporter..or movies with jason statham! good work man

dalmations202
01-13-2010, 09:39 AM
oh, well good for you man. You'd be surprised the .40 s&w kicks worse than a .45 acp. Not worse than a DE though! My buddy has a .45, and everybody including myself shoot more accurately with his .45 than with my .40. My girlfriend refuses to touch the .40 because it kicks too much. I like it though. I shoot pretty good with it, so i think it's just practice. Can't you change the barrel on the DE to a .50 if you wanted to? I only mention the .50 or the DE for that matter because that gun is always in movies especially Crank or Transporter..or movies with jason statham! good work man

I am unsure on the DE barrell change.

I once played with (and should have bought) a DE that had the .357 and .44 interchange -- but wouldn't spend $600 on it. Oh to have it today though.

Underdog
01-15-2010, 10:47 AM
Arenas charged with felony gun possession

link (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4826597)

WASHINGTON -- Washington Wizards guard Gilbert Arenas has been charged with a felony in connection with last month's locker room confrontation with a teammate.

But, Arenas has reached a plea agreement that would result in little or no jail time, several sources close to the case told The Washington Post. The newspaper had reported if convicted, Arenas could face a maximum five years in jail and a fine.

Arenas is expected to plead guilty Friday afternoon before D.C. Superior Court Judge Robert E. Morin, The Post reported. His court appearance is scheduled for 2:30 p.m. ET.

Arenas, who last week was suspended indefinitely without pay by NBA commissioner David Stern, was charged with carrying a pistol without a license outside a home or business.

The charges were filed in D.C. Superior Court in an "information," a document that generally signals a plea deal. The charge came directly from prosecutors and not in the form of an indictment.

"We are aware of the charge filed against Gilbert Arenas today and will continue to follow the ongoing legal process very carefully," the Wizards said in a statement issued Thursday. "We will also continue to cooperate fully with the proper authorities and the NBA."

Arenas' lawyer had no immediate comment. The NBA also declined to comment.

Arenas, a three-time All-Star, had admitted to taking unloaded guns out of his locker in a "misguided effort to play a joke" on a teammate following a gambling dispute during a team flight.

Arenas has said he kept multiple guns in his locker at the Verizon Center. He claims he wanted to keep them away from his children and didn't know it was illegal.

At least seven Wizards players and coach Flip Saunders have appeared before a grand jury or been questioned by authorities regarding the matter.

The teammate involved in the spat, Javaris Crittenton, had authorities search his apartment for a semiautomatic handgun in connection with the incident on Thursday afternoon but no evidence was seized.

The outcome of the legal process will have profound implications for Arenas' future in the NBA and with the Wizards specifically. Possession of a gun at an NBA arena is a violation of the league's collective bargaining agreement. Stern was particularly upset that Arenas joked about the matter and said that Arenas' conduct will "ultimately result in a substantial suspension, and perhaps worse."

The Wizards could also attempt to invoke the morals clause found in standard NBA contracts and void the remainder of the six-year, $111 million deal Arenas signed in summer 2008. The players' union would almost certainly contest such a move.

"We will continue to lend our full support to Gilbert and will assist him in every way possible to see this matter through," union executive director Billy Hunter said.

Arenas has played in only 34 games since signing the contract because of a knee injury and the guns-related suspension. He was averaging 22.6 points and 7.2 assists this season for the Wizards, who are 12-25 and in last place in the NBA's Southeast Division.

Well, that was totally expected...

AO41
01-15-2010, 11:25 AM
Might as well start asking about Miller, Butler and Haywood

Josh/ Gooden

for

Butler/Haywood

bobatundi
01-15-2010, 11:57 AM
That depends--if the team is able to void his contract, does he immediately come off the cap? If so, the Wiz only have $35MM committed next season, so they'd be in position to make someone a max offer. If that's the case, they'll want to keep their talent around to try to lure someone (and win games next year).

AO41
01-15-2010, 12:55 PM
They will def. keep a few players like Foye, probably Haywood and some of the other younger players.

But I think if we gave them a decent offer for Miller, Butler, or maybe even Haywood, we could come away with something.

sefant77
01-15-2010, 11:04 PM
Haywood is an expiring and had allready serious trouble with teammated and coaches. Looks like a douche that no one likes. He had also huge beef with Ethan Thomas.

Underdog
01-28-2010, 10:06 AM
Arenas, Crittenton suspended for rest of season

link (http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/gilbert-arenas-suspended-for-rest-of-season-012710/?gt1=39002)

Washington Wizards guards Gilbert Arenas and Javaris Crittenton were suspended without pay for the remainder of the season on Wednesday by NBA commissioner David Stern, who said guns in the workplace "will not be tolerated."

Stern delivered the punishment after meeting with Arenas earlier Wednesday, and with Crittenton a day before. Arenas already had been suspended indefinitely by Stern on Jan. 6.

Both players admitted taking a gun or guns into the Wizards' locker room — a violation of the collective bargaining agreement — after a dispute stemming from a card game on a team flight. Stern said the players expressed remorse, but added, "nevertheless, there is no justification for their conduct."

Asked during a conference call what message the penalties sent, Stern said: "We mean what we say when we say that guns are prohibited from being in our buildings and on team business.

"You will be dealt with harshly because it's very potentially dangerous to our players, to the other players and to anyone else who might be involved."

Arenas was forfeiting about $147,200 per game. Crittenton will lose about $13,435 per game from his $1.48 million salary.

Arenas pleaded guilty on Jan. 15 to a felony gun charge after a confrontation with Crittenton at the Verizon Center. Arenas, who is scheduled to be sentenced March 26, is in the second season of a six-year, $111 million contract.

He has asked the players' association not to contest the penalty, while Crittenton's plans are unclear. His agent, Mark Bartelstein, told The Associated Press that, "David Stern has done what he thinks is right for the league. We're going to look at it and talk about it with Javaris and the players' association."

The Wizards have 38 games left in a woeful season that was thrown into turmoil when news of the confrontation involving the guns broke on Christmas Eve. The team has distanced itself from Arenas since Stern indefinitely suspended him, removing his posters from the Verizon Center. Crittenton has been injured and wasn't playing, anyway.

The team said it supported Stern's ruling.

"Their poor judgment has also violated the trust of our fans and stands in contrast to everything (former owner) Abe Pollin stood for throughout his life," the Wizards said in a statement.

"It is widely known that Mr. Pollin took the extraordinary step of changing the team name from 'Bullets' to 'Wizards' in 1997 precisely to express his abhorrence of gun violence in our community. We hope that this negative situation can produce something positive by serving as a reminder that gun violence is a serious issue."

Piper Hall, a spokeswoman for Arenas' lawyer, wrote in an e-mail to The Associated Press that neither Arenas nor his lawyer, Ken Wainstein, would comment "at this time."

Arenas, a three-time All-Star and once the face of the Wizards, will miss the final 50 games of the season.

Stern originally planned to follow his normal policy of waiting until the legal process was further along before acting, but handed down the initial suspension after Arenas joked about the gun situation on his Twitter page, then was photographed before a game in Philadelphia pointing his index fingers, as if they were guns, at his teammates.

"I felt that I should do something to keep Arenas from doing even further damage to himself and I told him that," Stern said.

He said he and players' association executive director Billy Hunter would meet in the coming weeks to perhaps build a stronger gun policy than the one in the collective bargaining agreement.

mary
01-28-2010, 11:16 AM
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DirkFTW
01-28-2010, 11:53 AM
Is it too late for the "I'm a Red Raiders fan" defense?

TripleDipping
01-28-2010, 11:55 AM
That's it??

Kidd Karma
01-28-2010, 01:56 PM
I guess Stern and Arenas has a handshake deal that the PA would not appeal. Good enough for Stern to come off the 82 game suspension that was tossed around.

GermanDunk
01-28-2010, 03:42 PM
Man, thatīs sick. One man is loosing as much money as a well-off will make 50 years. *)

*) I assume 200k is good pay in the U.S.

spreedom
01-29-2010, 11:13 AM
I'd fully support a lifetime ban, so I think Arenas is getting off easy here.

dalmations202
01-29-2010, 11:34 AM
I'd fully support a lifetime ban, so I think Arenas is getting off easy here.

I am curious why he is getting suspended at all.

Guns lying in seats, but not pulled on anyone is kind of meaningless, IMO. I haven't read where he pulled it on him, he just put them at his locker and told him to pick one (If I have read the "truth"). Yes, there may have been a threat, but if he told JC that he would "run him over" would he have gotten suspended since his car was there, and JC had one as well?

A car can kill you but there isn't the phobia about them.

Much ado about FEAR, IMO.

Underdog
01-29-2010, 11:52 AM
A car can kill you but there isn't the phobia about them.

Yeah, but a car's function isn't to kill - a gun's is...

(not that I'm getting into a philosophical debate, just pointing that out.)


Personally, I think the punishment was fitting, but I believe it should have been handled by the team rather than the league - the biggest offense I see here is a cancerous attitude in the locker room. If Arenas had threatened Crittenton WITHOUT a gun, there would still be general discourse throughout the team and that's no good for the NBA's product (which is understandably WHY they felt the need to take this matter into their own hands.)

spreedom
01-29-2010, 01:24 PM
I am curious why he is getting suspended at all.

Guns lying in seats, but not pulled on anyone is kind of meaningless, IMO. I haven't read where he pulled it on him, he just put them at his locker and told him to pick one (If I have read the "truth"). Yes, there may have been a threat, but if he told JC that he would "run him over" would he have gotten suspended since his car was there, and JC had one as well?

A car can kill you but there isn't the phobia about them.

Much ado about FEAR, IMO.


Talk about missing the point -- I'm sure Arenas could kill someone with a coconut too, but that doesn't mean having a coconut in his locker is the same as a freaking firearm. There is ZERO reason for a professional athlete to carry a weapon to a game or an arena in general. ZERO. Even if he had a permit for it I would still suspend that idiot for life without possibility of reconsideration.

Sit back and think about it for a second -- take all of your preconceptions about the pressure of being a highly recognizable athlete out of the conversation. The guy is supposed to be a role model for kids and he BROUGHT FOUR GUNS WITH HIM TO A BASKETBALL GAME. That is absolutel ridiculous and he is extremely fortunate to have any chance at playing in the league ever again. Especially considering he's still going to be making $20M per year.

bernardos70
01-29-2010, 02:28 PM
The point is that if someone offered me to millions of dollars to play videogames every other day or so, for at least 82 days of the year, and the only stipulation they imposed was that I can't bring a bowl of weed with me, I'd gladly oblige....

As for the underlying problem that is this supposed gun phobia: it may very well be unwarranted, but the problem guns were created to resolve is "how can I kill someone easily without stabbing them." This in and of itself should (and does) create this whole phobia.

You're selling a product that is pretty much all image. It's entertainment. It's supposed to be for the whole family. Arenas comes in with guns, which aren't family friendly for the most part, and toys around with them, however it is he did. Was he gonna kill or pull out a loaded gun on Javaris? In all likelihood no, but that isn't the point....

Underdog
01-29-2010, 02:44 PM
The point is that if someone offered me to millions of dollars to play videogames every other day or so, for at least 82 days of the year, and the only stipulation they imposed was that I can't bring a bowl of weed with me, I'd gladly oblige....

Wait, I thought weed was a prerequisite to playing videogames for a living...


;)

DirkFTW
01-29-2010, 06:51 PM
Talk about missing the point -- I'm sure Arenas could kill someone with a coconut too, but that doesn't mean having a coconut in his locker is the same as a freaking firearm. There is ZERO reason for a professional athlete to carry a weapon to a game or an arena in general. ZERO. Even if he had a permit for it I would still suspend that idiot for life without possibility of reconsideration.

Sit back and think about it for a second -- take all of your preconceptions about the pressure of being a highly recognizable athlete out of the conversation. The guy is supposed to be a role model for kids and he BROUGHT FOUR GUNS WITH HIM TO A BASKETBALL GAME. That is absolutel ridiculous and he is extremely fortunate to have any chance at playing in the league ever again. Especially considering he's still going to be making $20M per year.

I'm pretty sure he isn't being punished as part of an evaluation on whether there are reasons for a player to bring guns to a game. He's being punished as part of an evaluation on whether players should follow the league's "No Guns Allowed" policy. The role model argument is fair to make as an aside, but I think you're blurring the reasons for his punishment with the lesson you want everyone to take away.

By analogy, when your local bank bars you from ever setting foot on the premises again because you waved around an empty handgun, it isn't because soccer moms/dads set a horrible example by bringing weapons to do their banking. It's because the bank has a large "NO HANDGUNS ALLOWED" sign and they really want everyone to follow it under all circumstances.

dalmations202
01-29-2010, 09:00 PM
I'm pretty sure he isn't being punished as part of an evaluation on whether there are reasons for a player to bring guns to a game. He's being punished as part of an evaluation on whether players should follow the league's "No Guns Allowed" policy. The role model argument is fair to make as an aside, but I think you're blurring the reasons for his punishment with the lesson you want everyone to take away.

By analogy, when your local bank bars you from ever setting foot on the premises again because you waved around an empty handgun, it isn't because soccer moms/dads set a horrible example by bringing weapons to do their banking. It's because the bank has a large "NO HANDGUNS ALLOWED" sign and they really want everyone to follow it under all circumstances.

Agreed,

But in the 1800's you could wear a gun on your hip and walk into any bank at any time. People wore guns to defend themselves, because the sheriff and law enforcement might or might not be there for days/weeks/months.

Snakes, bears, Indians with bad intentions or bad guys were around, but you were expected to defend yourself.

There was not a phobia, because people were around guns alot, and people used the tool for various purposes, including killing to eat.

Now, GA and JC probably didn't have the guns for killing to eat, but could have had them for self defense. Either way.......it is the phobia of what can happen with them that caused people to make an issue of it.

I have been around weapons all my life, and fired full automatics many times. I have fired many different kinds and was a FO in the Army. Guns don't scare me. Family in law enforcement carry all the time -- guns don't scare me.

The reason it is an issue is because it is a hit on the IMAGE and possibly might cause someone to not spend money to come to the game BECAUSE they don't think the arena is safe with "gangsta" players carrying guns. The image of the NBA is riding a fine line here. They like the players, but they don't like the image of gansta -- except where the bottom line is $$$$$$.

It is about $$$$$, Stern is about $$$$$$ -- the NBA is about $$$$$$.


I didn't miss the point. The real point is about the money.

With that said, it is there company, and if they want to enforce a no gun rule. So be it.

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particleman
01-29-2010, 11:44 PM
Agreed,

But in the 1800's you could wear a gun on your hip and walk into any bank at any time. People wore guns to defend themselves, because the sheriff and law enforcement might or might not be there for days/weeks/months.

Snakes, bears, Indians with bad intentions or bad guys were around, but you were expected to defend yourself.

There was not a phobia, because people were around guns alot, and people used the tool for various purposes, including killing to eat.

Now, GA and JC probably didn't have the guns for killing to eat, but could have had them for self defense. Either way.......it is the phobia of what can happen with them that caused people to make an issue of it.

I have been around weapons all my life, and fired full automatics many times. I have fired many different kinds and was a FO in the Army. Guns don't scare me. Family in law enforcement carry all the time -- guns don't scare me.

The reason it is an issue is because it is a hit on the IMAGE and possibly might cause someone to not spend money to come to the game BECAUSE they don't think the arena is safe with "gangsta" players carrying guns. The image of the NBA is riding a fine line here. They like the players, but they don't like the image of gansta -- except where the bottom line is $$$$$$.

It is about $$$$$, Stern is about $$$$$$ -- the NBA is about $$$$$$.


I didn't miss the point. The real point is about the money.

With that said, it is there company, and if they want to enforce a no gun rule. So be it.


What?! Where are you going with this? Are you trying to explain why the NBA has a "no guns allowed in the arena" policy? Because it seems like you're over thinking this one a bit, dude. Are you allowed to carry a gun into your workplace? Unless you're in the military, law enforcement, or security, probably not. Most, if not all, employers don't want you bringing guns to work unless the gun is a tool of the trade. And it isn't about image, it's because unnecessarily carrying guns around can be 1) a safety hazard and 2) distracting. Why would the NBA be any different?

dalmations202
01-30-2010, 08:23 AM
What?! Where are you going with this? Are you trying to explain why the NBA has a "no guns allowed in the arena" policy? Because it seems like you're over thinking this one a bit, dude. Are you allowed to carry a gun into your workplace? Unless you're in the military, law enforcement, or security, probably not. Most, if not all, employers don't want you bringing guns to work unless the gun is a tool of the trade. And it isn't about image, it's because unnecessarily carrying guns around can be 1) a safety hazard and 2) distracting. Why would the NBA be any different?

agreed,

Why is it such a big deal though? Why if two employees discussed guns in their work area -- an area not where the public is, but in a confined area of your business --- would you make national headlines out of someone showing a few guns to another guy, and him showing his?

I mean -- I work in a hospital and have for several years. We watch security guards, police, sheriff, people with private gun licenses, etc come in with guns all the time. We do not want everyone bringing a gun to the hospital, but we do not make a huge issue over it either. Yes, we have a no gun policy -- but it is there for safety like most places of business.

If I went out into the parking lot, and looked at a gun(s) -- no one would care, and it wouldn't effect the image of my business, and it wouldn't slow down anyone from coming in. Same if it were in my office away from the public.

Much like other businesses though, when it effects either SAFETY or the bottom dollar, it becomes an issue.

My question is #1) why was it made into such a big deal?
2) why the phobia about guns ? (even though I probably minimized it too much)

Really I just like the debate, and I wanted to see who would argue their side of this one -- so I kind of took the other side, but it is interesting to me the difference in opinion of people due to their backgrounds and experience.

spreedom
01-30-2010, 09:10 AM
By analogy, when your local bank bars you from ever setting foot on the premises again because you waved around an empty handgun, it isn't because soccer moms/dads set a horrible example by bringing weapons to do their banking. It's because the bank has a large "NO HANDGUNS ALLOWED" sign and they really want everyone to follow it under all circumstances.


No offense, but that is just about the worst analogy I've ever heard.

mavErika
01-30-2010, 12:54 PM
Kobe-LeBron ads feature gun slang (http://http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=4869984)[...]Bryant's blurb says: "I'll do whatever it takes to win games. I don't leave anything in the chamber."[...]NBA commissioner David Stern is sensitive to the issue of gun violence, and the NBA criticized the ad.
"We had no prior notice of this ad," spokesman Tim Frank said. "We think it is inappropriate."
I refused to click this headline for a while, but I'm glad I finally read that article anyway. Real life satire at it's best - are they going to fine tv-announcers for phrases like "shooting on all cylinders"? Can we make it to a hundred common gun references in basketball speak?

particleman
01-30-2010, 01:49 PM
agreed,

Why is it such a big deal though? Why if two employees discussed guns in their work area -- an area not where the public is, but in a confined area of your business --- would you make national headlines out of someone showing a few guns to another guy, and him showing his?

I mean -- I work in a hospital and have for several years. We watch security guards, police, sheriff, people with private gun licenses, etc come in with guns all the time. We do not want everyone bringing a gun to the hospital, but we do not make a huge issue over it either. Yes, we have a no gun policy -- but it is there for safety like most places of business.

If I went out into the parking lot, and looked at a gun(s) -- no one would care, and it wouldn't effect the image of my business, and it wouldn't slow down anyone from coming in. Same if it were in my office away from the public.

Much like other businesses though, when it effects either SAFETY or the bottom dollar, it becomes an issue.

My question is #1) why was it made into such a big deal?
2) why the phobia about guns ? (even though I probably minimized it too much)

Really I just like the debate, and I wanted to see who would argue their side of this one -- so I kind of took the other side, but it is interesting to me the difference in opinion of people due to their backgrounds and experience.

Hmm... Well as I recall this all started with a report that D.C. police were investigating reports that Arenas had brought guns into the locker room to store them because he didn't feel safe having them at home around his kids. At the time it made headlines but not major headlines. I would say at this point it was a big deal because Arenas had violated the no guns in the locker room rule and because police were investigating.

Then Javaris Crittenton's buddy went to the NY Post and told them that Crittenton and Arenas had a gun standoff over a gambling debt, in which Crittenton was "acting in self defense." Which is odd because as I understand it JC was the only one to load his gun, thus making it a weapon. But anyway, I don't want to get bogged down in all the details here because I think a lot of half-truths/lies have been floating around and I suspect we'll never know exactly what happened... but the point is two professional athletes drawing guns on each other is a compelling story, true or not, and I don't know how that couldn't become a big deal in today's media.

As for the second part, I agree it would be dumb to make national headlines over a couple of guys bringing unloaded guns around to discuss them, but that certainly doesn't appear to be the case here. As for "gun phobias," I'm personally not all that comfortable around guns, switchblades, electric/gas powered saws, or just about any other mechanical device that can be used as a weapon. Yeah I'm a pussy, whatever. I simply don't have much experience around those kinds of things, and a lot of people don't. That's the thing with your 1800s wild west comparison... in that setting everyone carries guns because they're safer with them and thus there's a comfort level. In today's world I would guess most people are uncomfortable around guns because we don't feel like they're a necessity to everyday life and thus have very limited experience using them.

For me, if some of the folks at my workplace want to go out to their cars and trade guns or whatever, I'm fine with that. But if they bring them into the office and start flashing them around, I'm definitely not comfortable with that. Even if they're unloaded I'm not comfortable with that.. because at some point some dumbass is going to make a joke about having a standoff over a gambling debt... and then the other guy is going to take it a step further and load his gun... and then it escalates because some people act like jackasses with loaded guns in their hands, and at best it's a really stupid distraction and at worst someone gets hurt.