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LonghornDub
06-30-2010, 06:57 PM
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/spurs_jefferson_opts_out_of_contract_97529699.html

The guy with the worst PPG drop in the league last year just opted out of a guaranteed $15 mil. The Spurs' absurd luck continues.

What a freaking idiot.

BGMaverick9
06-30-2010, 06:58 PM
I was just about to post this but I didn't know if I should make a new thread.

The guy is DUMB!! He better be praying he gets a taker.

fluid.forty.one
06-30-2010, 06:59 PM
Maybe Pop threatened to kill him if he stayed.

fluid.forty.one
06-30-2010, 07:00 PM
I wonder if he opted out of his contract faster than his marriage?

BGMaverick9
06-30-2010, 07:01 PM
Well...the one way it kind of hurts the spurs is that expiring contract would've been a nice piece to dangle over the course of the year.

fluid.forty.one
06-30-2010, 07:04 PM
ya but... NOT having R-Jeff on the court + NOT paying $15 mill outweighs that by a lot.

BGMaverick9
06-30-2010, 07:06 PM
ya but... NOT having R-Jeff on the court + NOT paying $15 mill outweighs that by a lot.

Right, they're clearly off the hook. That's the only major negative I saw to the news.

xrobx
06-30-2010, 07:07 PM
the spurs will be glad to be rid of him, i'm sure

fluid.forty.one
06-30-2010, 07:07 PM
I wonder how this affects their supposed shopping of Parker...

DevinHarriswillstart
06-30-2010, 07:17 PM
What lucky BS. I hope the Nets offer you a max deal....

jthig32
06-30-2010, 07:17 PM
Wow...just....wow

LonghornDub
06-30-2010, 07:25 PM
I'd like to point out that, just about a year ago today, there was a thread on here freaking out that the Spurs had acquired Jefferson. Now, one year later, there's a thread freaking out that Jefferson is leaving the Spurs.

Funny how things change.

Underdog
06-30-2010, 07:26 PM
I'd like to point out that, just about a year ago today, there was a thread on here freaking out that the Spurs had acquired Jefferson. Now, one year later, there's a thread freaking out that Jefferson is leaving the Spurs.

Funny how things change.

Allow me to add another "I told you so" to the fire...

BGMaverick9
06-30-2010, 07:29 PM
I wonder how this affects their supposed shopping of Parker...

The asking price can easily be a wing player now if they want it to be.

DevinHarriswillstart
06-30-2010, 07:29 PM
I'd like to point out that, just about a year ago today, there was a thread on here freaking out that the Spurs had acquired Jefferson. Now, one year later, there's a thread freaking out that Jefferson is leaving the Spurs.

Funny how things change.

It is a good point, but it still doesn't explain how ridiculously unbelievable this is. I truly feel bad for the team that is dumb enough to sign him.

LonghornDub
06-30-2010, 07:32 PM
Allow me to add another "I told you so" to the fire...

Same here. In fairness, I didn't think he'd be quite as much of a bust as he was, but I never bought into the whole "missing piece" theory. He is one of the many, many guys in the league who had good scoring numbers because he was one of the best players on a crappy team (Milwaukee).

xrobx
06-30-2010, 07:34 PM
Allow me to add another "I told you so" to the fire...

what did you tell us, not to worry about the spurs?

Dirkenstien
06-30-2010, 07:36 PM
Wow. He must be trying to lock in some post new CBA security. That's a lot of money to pass up.

sefant77
06-30-2010, 07:42 PM
Actually hes hurting the Spurs more.

His huge expiring contract was their best trade asset. And now they have no SF with the MLE maybe going to Splitter.

Sure Spurs saving money, but all the other aspects suck for them :P

I read rumors the Nets wanna give him 35/4 but i doubt that. And otherwise he wont get a bigger deal than MLE/5 years.

Dirkenstien
06-30-2010, 07:50 PM
Actually hes hurting the Spurs more.

His huge expiring contract was their best trade asset. And now they have no SF with the MLE maybe going to Splitter.

Sure Spurs saving money, but all the other aspects suck for them :P

I read rumors the Nets wanna give him 35/4 but i doubt that. And otherwise he wont get a bigger deal than MLE/5 years.

Do the Spurs even have the MLE now since this move puts them about $3mil under the cap?

sefant77
06-30-2010, 07:59 PM
Im pretty sure yes because i think you have either the MLE or more than this as free cap.

BGMaverick9
06-30-2010, 08:14 PM
Who is going to get the bigger contract:
T-Mac or RJ?

jthig32
06-30-2010, 08:23 PM
Actually hes hurting the Spurs more.

His huge expiring contract was their best trade asset. And now they have no SF with the MLE maybe going to Splitter.

Sure Spurs saving money, but all the other aspects suck for them :P

I read rumors the Nets wanna give him 35/4 but i doubt that. And otherwise he wont get a bigger deal than MLE/5 years.

You are high. The Spurs had never payed the luxury tax before RJ. There is zero chance they were going to trade him for a longer, similar contract. This is a huge, huge bonus for the Spurs.

Do the Spurs even have the MLE now since this move puts them about $3mil under the cap?

I don't think they're under the projected cap. They're bound to have some cap holds in there somewhere. I don't have time to look right now though.

mac222b
06-30-2010, 08:29 PM
so he's going to forego 15 million for 1yr. so that he can secure a 3 yr.15million deal from someone else. i see the logic there...i really do

dalger
06-30-2010, 08:30 PM
Is this really a good thing for the Spurs? They no longer have a small forward (having Jefferson is perhaps better than having nobody...), just lost a massive $15 million trade chip and only have the MLE and LLE to make up for it. They could have used that money to add someone of importance to last year's team. Now they'll have to use (parts of) it to get back to last year's level instead of improving the team.

Our situation with Kidd last year was somewhat similar: Had he left and gone to New York, we would have been forced to use parts of our available pieces (Stack & MLE) for a new point guard and couldn't have added Marion and Gooden to a team WITH Kidd.

LonghornDub
06-30-2010, 08:31 PM
Well, I think we're all forgetting the obvious explanation here: the city of San Antonio really, really blows.

sefant77
06-30-2010, 08:36 PM
You are high. The Spurs had never payed the luxury tax before RJ. There is zero chance they were going to trade him for a longer, similar contract. This is a huge, huge bonus for the Spurs.




Maybe u are high?

Spurs decided to pay LT because the clock is more than ticking with Duncan and Gino. Right now its even more ticking and the next 3 years (Ginos contract) the Spurs will pay some LT if they think its the right deal (Al Jefferson, maybe even a Deng etc).

mac222b
06-30-2010, 08:40 PM
i'm not high. but i wish i were :D

mac222b
06-30-2010, 08:41 PM
maybe RJ opted out because he's gay

mac222b
06-30-2010, 08:41 PM
or should i say he thinks he's as good as Gay

Underdog
06-30-2010, 08:43 PM
What's all this about homosexuals smoking weed?

Jefferson is an ass-clown...

jthig32
06-30-2010, 09:42 PM
Maybe u are high?

Spurs decided to pay LT because the clock is more than ticking with Duncan and Gino. Right now its even more ticking and the next 3 years (Ginos contract) the Spurs will pay some LT if they think its the right deal (Al Jefferson, maybe even a Deng etc).

But they were going to pay luxury tax this season for a terrible player, or trade him away for a longer team contract that would have stretched into the new CBA.

The Mavs look at bad contracts as assets that can be flipped for longer contracts. Very, very few other teams do. And the Spurs absolutely 100% do not.

Sorry dude, this is in no way bad for the Spurs. It is, in fact, a massive stroke of luck for them. Marc Stein referred to it as "winning the lottery". Art Garcia asked if Buford just won GM of the year. That's how much of a windfall this is for the Spurs.

jthig32
06-30-2010, 09:44 PM
Is this really a good thing for the Spurs? They no longer have a small forward (having Jefferson is perhaps better than having nobody...), just lost a massive $15 million trade chip and only have the MLE and LLE to make up for it. They could have used that money to add someone of importance to last year's team. Now they'll have to use (parts of) it to get back to last year's level instead of improving the team.

Our situation with Kidd last year was somewhat similar: Had he left and gone to New York, we would have been forced to use parts of our available pieces (Stack & MLE) for a new point guard and couldn't have added Marion and Gooden to a team WITH Kidd.

Yes, it is a very, very, very good thing.

Hell they can re-sign RJ for a much more reasonable contract if they want him back so badly.

MaVs 41 BaLler
06-30-2010, 09:56 PM
Only luck for him is to sign wherever cp3, nash or those guys end up; he can't play with a selfish point guard.

rmacomic
06-30-2010, 10:11 PM
Well, I think we're all forgetting the obvious explanation here: the city of San Antonio really, really blows.

QFT

fluid.forty.one
06-30-2010, 10:55 PM
I don't think they're under the projected cap. They're bound to have some cap holds in there somewhere. I don't have time to look right now though.

read this on db.com: According to McDonald (from the San Antonio newspaper), the Spurs will remain over the cap but sink beneath the luxury tax.

dalger
07-01-2010, 08:43 AM
Yes, it is a very, very, very good thing.

Hell they can re-sign RJ for a much more reasonable contract if they want him back so badly.

I read quite a lot of fan reactions on the interwebs that actually suggest that the Spurs just lost a valuable trade chip. What did the Spurs gain other than financial relief? They could have used Jefferson's contract in February to bring in a guy who could have helped Duncan, Ginobili and maybe Parker, depending on whether or not he gets traded, to make another run at the championship. Who's to say the Spurs FO wouldn't have tried just that?

It's certainly not that they want "him back so badly", and even that doesn't seem to be a guarantee at this point. They might not even want him for $10 instead of $15 million a year. It's his contract that could have made a difference and helped them for Duncan's final two years.

If they were really determined to win another ring in the Duncan era, I just don't think that Jefferson's move would be the blessing you make it out to be. They have no small forward at this point and probably don't have the cap space or pieces to get a better one than Jefferson. If they re-signed him, they would just get a guy back they were disappointed with and couldn't use his contract to actually improve.

jthig32
07-01-2010, 08:50 AM
I read quite a lot of fan reactions on the interwebs that actually suggest that the Spurs just lost a valuable trade chip. What did the Spurs gain other than financial relief? They could have used Jefferson's contract in February to bring in a guy who could have helped Duncan, Ginobili and maybe Parker, depending on whether or not he gets traded, to make another run at the championship. Who's to say the Spurs FO wouldn't have tried just that?

It's certainly not that they want "him back so badly", and even that doesn't seem to be a guarantee at this point. They might not even want him for $10 instead of $15 million a year. It's his contract that could have made a difference and helped them for Duncan's final two years.

If they were really determined to win another ring in the Duncan era, I just don't think that Jefferson's move would be the blessing you make it out to be.

Mark Cuban does not own the Spurs. The Spurs do not have endless amounts of money and the willingness to go above and beyond most reasonable NBA budgets. The Spurs had never before been as far into the luxury tax as they were when they traded for Jefferson, and it blew up in their face fantastically. There is absolutely zero reason to believe that they were going to flip him for similar contract that extended even further.

People that are very, very plugged into the Spurs (Stein, Art Garcia) described this as "winning the lottery". Seriously, Stein compared this to getting Robinson and Duncan in the draft. Obviously an exaggeration, but it should drive home the point.

This was a huge, huge, huge windfall for the Spurs.

tcat075
07-01-2010, 08:51 AM
Yes, it is a very, very, very good thing.

Hell they can re-sign RJ for a much more reasonable contract if they want him back so badly.

If that happens...I will break something. Hopefully the thing I punch, not my knuckles.

I hate those dirty Mexicans in San Antonio.

dalger
07-01-2010, 09:15 AM
Mark Cuban does not own the Spurs. The Spurs do not have endless amounts of money and the willingness to go above and beyond most reasonable NBA budgets. The Spurs had never before been as far into the luxury tax as they were when they traded for Jefferson, and it blew up in their face fantastically. There is absolutely zero reason to believe that they were going to flip him for similar contract that extended even further.

People that are very, very plugged into the Spurs (Stein, Art Garcia) described this as "winning the lottery". Seriously, Stein compared this to getting Robinson and Duncan in the draft. Obviously an exaggeration, but it should drive home the point.

This was a huge, huge, huge windfall for the Spurs.

Perhaps I do have a Cuban-induced point of view, true. One of the lessons they learned after trading for Jefferson could indeed be to not do it again. That said, it's only a year ago that they actually did take on his big contract for expirings. Apparently, not too long ago, there was the mindset to invest in order to have another shot at a ring. I'm not convinced they wouldn't do the same thing again if they thought they had a reasonable chance of winning as a result. Additionally, only three months ago, they signed Ginobili to a three-year, $39 million contract extension. I didn't understand that to be a sign of being cheap and not at least wanting to try to win another championship.

Jefferson's contract would have been the last chance to bring in the kind of player they need to perhaps be a contender again. MLE, LLE and Parker's contract in all likelihood won't get it done.

sefant77
07-01-2010, 09:34 AM
So you tell me the Spurs wouldnt have pulled a Jefferson+pick/talent for Iggy trade because of the LT?

Sure...

jthig32
07-01-2010, 09:36 AM
So you tell me the Spurs wouldnt have pulled a Jefferson+pick/talent for Iggy trade because of the LT?

Sure...

Yes. That is exactly what I'm saying.

chumdawg
07-01-2010, 11:47 AM
Yes. That is exactly what I'm saying.By your logic, they never had Jefferson in the first place.

The Spurs were never in the Jefferson race!

fluid.forty.one
07-01-2010, 11:50 AM
By your logic, they never had Jefferson in the first place.

The Spurs were never in the Jefferson race!

His logic seems pretty sound. Go against your normal ways and try something -> have it not work out -> don't try it again.

jthig32
07-01-2010, 01:13 PM
By your logic, they never had Jefferson in the first place.

The Spurs were never in the Jefferson race!

When it happened, people were talking about it being the first time they had ever done something like that, and how big a risk it was for them because they're so tight with the LT.

All I'm doing is paring my observations of their past history with what people plugged into the Spurs are saying. When Art Garcia says he can hear the rejoicing of the Spurs front office from Dallas, I feel like that supports my view.

chumdawg
07-01-2010, 01:24 PM
When it happened, people were talking about it being the first time they had ever done something like that, and how big a risk it was for them because they're so tight with the LT.

All I'm doing is paring my observations of their past history with what people plugged into the Spurs are saying. When Art Garcia says he can hear the rejoicing of the Spurs front office from Dallas, I feel like that supports my view.I'm sure they are rejoicing, but I'm also sure that the rejoicing is because all the downside just went away. That's a comfortably secure place to be in. At the same time, though, the upside (the possibility of spinning Jefferson off for a productive asset) is gone now, too. I don't think it's reasonable to say that because the Spurs got burned once by taking on luxury tax they are never going to do it again.

jthig32
07-01-2010, 01:30 PM
I'm sure they are rejoicing, but I'm also sure that the rejoicing is because all the downside just went away. That's a comfortably secure place to be in. At the same time, though, the upside (the possibility of spinning Jefferson off for a productive asset) is gone now, too. I don't think it's reasonable to say that because the Spurs got burned once by taking on luxury tax they are never going to do it again.

I think it's safe to assume that they weren't going to do it one season before a new CBA comes into play, when it's widely assumed that new contract levels will be much lower and length of guaranteed contracts will be shortened.

But that's just my humble opinion.

chumdawg
07-01-2010, 01:33 PM
I think it's safe to assume that they weren't going to do it one season before a new CBA comes into play, when it's widely assumed that new contract levels will be much lower and length of guaranteed contracts will be shortened.

But that's just my humble opinion.Well, if there's one thing we know about the Spurs, it's that their front office is very crafty, often unpredictable, and usually one step ahead. So I guess you never can tell.

Kidd Karma
07-01-2010, 02:20 PM
It was actually a windfall for the Spurs, tax wise, but on the court, they can still milk something through a sign and trade. For Mavs fans, tax.....who cares, it's all laid out on the court, team's MO is different going team to team, I mean during the Perot era, money was a huge thing to watch.

dirno2000
07-20-2010, 04:46 PM
According to reports Jefferson is on his way to SA to sign a long term deal. Very interested to see the numbers.

fluid.forty.one
07-22-2010, 03:49 PM
http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2010/07/its-four-more-y.html

looks like it's 4 years, 38.9 mill with the last year as a player option.

considering that it scales up each season starting at 8.4 mill next season and ending with 11 mill in 2012-2013, you'd have to think that the player option will be exercised... but he walked away from 15 mill a few weeks ago so who knows.

chumdawg
07-22-2010, 03:54 PM
The Spurs fool us once again!

fluid.forty.one
07-22-2010, 03:58 PM
The Spurs fool us once again!

They're definitely off the hook for next season... but if 15 mill was going to be way overpaying him next season, you'd have to imagine how much that 11 mill is going to hurt 3 years from now.

FINtastic
07-22-2010, 07:49 PM
http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2010/07/its-four-more-y.html

looks like it's 4 years, 38.9 mill with the last year as a player option.

considering that it scales up each season starting at 8.4 mill next season and ending with 11 mill in 2012-2013, you'd have to think that the player option will be exercised... but he walked away from 15 mill a few weeks ago so who knows.

Wow, the Spurs just gave a $40 million contract to a 30 year old player who just posted a PER of 13.1 last season. They had to have just bid against themselves.

This is the kind of move a David Kahn or Chris Wallace makes.

FINtastic
07-22-2010, 07:53 PM
Also makes you wonder if something was going on under the table.

LonghornDub
07-22-2010, 08:27 PM
That's a pretty awful contract to give a guy like Jefferson. That softens the blow a bit of the Spurs getting so lucky with him opting out.

LonghornDub
07-24-2010, 09:35 AM
BDL slamming the Spurs for giving RJ that much dough:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/The-Spurs-re-sign-Richard-Jefferson-for-a-great-;_ylt=AmNdC.m255mFbENN0WhrQ0i8vLYF?urn=nba-257651