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DTL
05-20-2002, 05:39 PM
must-win for C-Webb & Company

reeds
05-20-2002, 07:14 PM
Kobe may not play- food posioning...im sure the Kings posioned his cheesecake

Bayliss
05-20-2002, 07:23 PM
<< Kobe may not play- food posioning...im sure the Kings posioned his cheesecake >>



And I'm thinking Kobe is semi faking it so he'll look &quot;good&quot; when he has a great performance and all the broadcasters keep saying is how he battled through it. Smells much like the &quot;bruised ribs&quot; syndrome he had earlier in the year.

Of course it could be my cynical side showing... but I wouldn't put it past Kobe...

MavKikiNYC
05-20-2002, 08:58 PM
What is with these European boyz and these huge-assed ear nuggets?

C'mon, Peja!

Sometimes you just wanna say to America's youth:

&quot;Pull up your pants and give your grandmothers back their jewelry!&quot;

Rhylan
05-20-2002, 10:05 PM
Kevin Harlan is so disturbed by the free-throw discrepancy that he's going to have to enter into therapy after the game is over.

MavsFanFinley
05-20-2002, 10:17 PM
Is it me or this game boring? I'm really not getting anything out of it?

The first game seemed more exciting and it's cause the Kings lost, that's for sure.

MavsFanFinley
05-20-2002, 10:21 PM
Um, well that dunk from Divac just now was anything but boring.

Wow!

djb
05-20-2002, 10:28 PM
Kobe pulled this shit in last year's playoffs and - lo and behold - ended up looking like a badass when he pulled off a win after a hot fourth quarter. Whatever i/expressions/face-icon-small-disgusted.gif

Rhylan
05-20-2002, 10:36 PM
How often do athletes get IVs? Like ALL the time. When was the last time you saw a player come out with the band aid on his arm where the IV went? Kobe tonight was the first I've ever seen. He's just a show. Like a bad soap opera.

DTL
05-20-2002, 10:42 PM
looks like the Kings got this one. hopefully they don't pull a Spurs Q4 now....

MavsFanFinley
05-20-2002, 10:45 PM
He's just a show. Like a bad soap opera.

Exactly. People talk about Webber and his antics, I'd take them over Kobe's any day.

And, the Kings have shown some energy right now that I didn't see in game 1. They have a 14 pt lead with Christie's basket (and foul) and if they keep up what they've been doing, they have this one locked up.

DTL
05-20-2002, 10:49 PM
Shaq dunks. 89-80....

Rhylan
05-20-2002, 10:52 PM
as Barkley might say, the Kings are getting some &quot;tight sphincters.&quot;

DTL
05-20-2002, 10:56 PM
Mike Bibby. Wow. Cold-blooded three.

Rhylan
05-20-2002, 10:58 PM
That three was very Nash-esque

DTL
05-20-2002, 11:01 PM
2-9 FTs by C-Webb....

Bayliss
05-20-2002, 11:05 PM
C-Webb showing his true colors in the 4th quarter again.

Rhylan
05-20-2002, 11:06 PM
word

DTL
05-20-2002, 11:06 PM
i should've said Bibby &amp; Company at the beginning of this thread....

MavKikiNYC
05-20-2002, 11:12 PM
On the closeup of Tyra, was the girl to her right ugly, or just ugly by comparison?

That timeout by Webber on the inbound took some balls--his boldest play of the night.

Difference tonight: Bibby and Jackson. CWeb just along for the ride--a $122M role player.

MavsFanFinley
05-20-2002, 11:14 PM
I don't know why they got the ball into Webber's hands anyway in that situation.

Don't get me wrong, I think Tyra Banks is pretty and all, but damn if she didn't look ugly when they kept showing her during Webber's ft's.

grbh
05-21-2002, 12:40 AM
The Kings played a really tight rotation tonight. Only 7 guys played.

Webber: 47
Christie: 46
Bibby: 44

Bibby also played 45 minutes in the 1st game. He only averaged 33 minutes during the regular season. Though he didn't look tired tonight, you have to wonder if those type of minutes will wear him down.

If Peja is back for game 3 then the minutes for all the guys should be a little more reasonable.

Hales233
05-21-2002, 08:26 AM
Yeah MavsKiki...Most role players I know score 21 points, pull down 13 boards, dish out 5 assists, grab 2 steals, and block 5 shots....in a playoff game no less.

I'm beginning to wonder if your half a brain works.

CWEBB#4

TheKid
05-21-2002, 08:41 AM
Mavskiki, I understand you don't like Webber, that's cool though but role player??? I beg to differ. That role player destroyed the MAVS, that's for sure...

TheKid
05-21-2002, 10:38 AM
&lt;&lt;What is with these European boyz and these huge-assed ear nuggets?

C'mon, Peja!

Sometimes you just wanna say to America's youth:

&quot;Pull up your pants and give your grandmothers back their jewelry!&quot; &gt;&gt;

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's something wrong with it. It simply means you don't like it.

MavKikiNYC
05-21-2002, 11:59 AM
Right. It's true. I don't like it. I think it looks outlandishly foolish. But I actually agree with you.

And in some neighborhoods, men wear skirts and fishnet stockings. Same principle applies. Nothing wrong with it. YOU may not like it, but nothing inherently wrong with it.

MavKikiNYC
05-21-2002, 12:39 PM
Yeah, Hales. Next you're going to tell me how his laser-accurate 4 of 11 FT shooting was a key component to the Kings' win.

EDIT: I gotta correct myself here--he was 3 of 11 .

Any fool can look at a box score and spin a story--look at Murph. &lt;just kidding, Murph...hurry back.&gt;

But if you had any sort of hoops sense, you'd understand that Web wasn't cranking those numbers at critical times of the game, and that in fact, he pretty much FADED FROM SIGHT when the game got close. He was one scared sucker on those last two FTs, but I'll give him that much credit for not exposing himself at the end, when the game was already all but won.

I may not respect Webber, but I do enjoy watching his routine.

SeomanSnowlock
05-21-2002, 12:40 PM
Calm down, I've seen people suspended for less.

MavKikiNYC
05-21-2002, 12:48 PM
It's all hoopsfun, man. All hoops. All in fun.

SeomanSnowlock
05-21-2002, 12:53 PM
I know, I was being a bit sarcastic.

TheKid
05-21-2002, 02:47 PM
This I do know, he didn't have to step up lastnight, other players took care of that, on top of it they won. If they were losing, I guess I could agree with you but right now they're tied in the series so not even him shooting 3-11 from the free throw line hurt his team.

Hales233
05-21-2002, 04:14 PM
Tiki Lady is just nitpicking...I admit his FT shooting sucked, but they won the game...why won't you acknowledge he played a very good game other than his FT shooting? Is that so hard for you to say?

I dislike quite a few players in this league but I have no trouble admitting when they have a big game...apparently you do.

MavKikiNYC
05-21-2002, 04:36 PM
He sucked.

Hey, I admitted that his drama routine was entertaining....what more do you want, Illiteroboi?

Bayliss
05-21-2002, 04:42 PM
Webber did exactly what he always does:

puts up good numbers then doesn't **matter at all** in the 4th.

Did it in the Utah series.... did it in the Dallas series... doing it again in the Lakers series.

So what is the difference this year? In Webber's game, not a damn difference, but Sac doesn't need him to be great (and after all they waited long enough and got tired)... so all the other players **around** him got better.

Sacramento didn't win because of Webber in the Utah series...
Sacramento didn't win because of Webber in the Dallas series...
Sacramento didn't win because of Webber in the Laker series....

MavKikiNYC
05-21-2002, 04:44 PM
I heard that.

And the people said, &quot;A-men.&quot;

TheKid
05-21-2002, 05:01 PM
You all are hilarious... The guy has lead his team in scoring in EACH of the series and lead his team in rebounding in EACH of the series..

1st series

21 points 11 rebs.

The only one close was Peja who also had 21 points a game but the next was Bibby with 14.

Second series

25 points 11 rebounds

The third series

24.5 points 13.5 rebounds

He's been the ONLY consistent player on that team so far through the first three series. People can say Bibby, but Bibby didn't have nearly the impact on the first series as he did the second series.

My point is this, take Webber off the team (the role player you all are saying he is) then the game is not even close come the fourth quarter. How you all can say someone who is averaging 23.5 points a game and more than 11 rebounds through the playoffs is a non factor is beyond me. There is NO ONE ELSE on that team who could step up and give them those number consistently! Yeah Divac can do it one game, but he's done it now every game in every series. Also the second series against the Mavs, he only played 37 minutes a game. Bibby played the most with 42 a game and Divac played more than Webber also but those players still wasn't able to put up those numbers.

You can say all you want, Horry has been more effective in the playoffs this year in the &quot;clutch&quot; than Kobe and Shaq has been so should we consider Shaq and Kobe role playes now and Horry is the go to guy?

Hales233
05-21-2002, 05:03 PM
Great point Kid.

aexchange
05-21-2002, 05:06 PM
as usual, i concur kid.

TheKid
05-21-2002, 05:22 PM
Now the ONE thing I will agree on is his antics and his whining. I COULD DEFINATELY do without that, and I would love it SO much if he just stopped that.. It's very annoying that's for sure.

SeomanSnowlock
05-21-2002, 06:53 PM
I would like to see Webber step up more late in close games. He wasn't forced to in the Mavericks series and he hasn't really done so yet in this series.

Bayliss
05-21-2002, 08:23 PM
Kid... stats stats stats... if ya want to go by stats then Dirk had a great series against the Kings:

25 points
12 rebounds
3 assists
47% 3P
86% FT

Oh wait... that's right, he didn't.

Just like Webber didn't. Webber fouled out of two wins by the Kings. While the Kings were going down the stretch he was cheering them on with his towel waving. Yeah what a great player. So great he couldn't even play in two of their wins when it mattered most.

seelenjaeger
05-21-2002, 08:26 PM
maybe we can agree on this formula:

&quot;Webber is the role player the Kings need to reach the 4th quarter without being blown out ...&quot;?

TheKid
05-22-2002, 09:31 AM
Did the Kings win???? YES!!! Was Dirk on the floor with those stats when they lost???? YES!!! So does that mean that Dirk isn't clutch??? NO!!!

Stats are NOT the end all be all, but they do give you some sort of story. Listen everyone here knows basketball, so the fact that you all are trying to say that Webber is a role player is ridiculous. Also with Dirk's stats, it's funny how you eliminated his FG%. If he shot a better field goal percentage guess what, his numbers would have been better and guess what, we would have won.. Like I said before also, I didn't have a problem with Dirk's performance offensively in this series, I just said he sucked defensively as well as the rest of the Mavs.

There was only ONE game where he played downright terrible, so if I want to look at the stats, I can say, well he really didn't play all that bad. You can't say a player was HORRENDOUS and puts up the numbers he did, however that's what you all are trying to say.

I don't care how much anyone knows about basketball, if they can't put aside their dislikes of a player it simply gets in the way of making an objective view.

Bayliss
05-22-2002, 06:46 PM
<< I don't care how much anyone knows about basketball, if they can't put aside their dislikes of a player it simply gets in the way of making an objective view. >>



Don't dislike Webber. He just doesn't make an impact in the 4th. Never have and never will. And apparently by the objective view this year is that the Kings don't have to have Webber step up in the 4th. They have others guys who will come to play in the 4th (and win for them). In the past they just had Webber..

mali king
05-22-2002, 09:22 PM
aaahhh...so refreshing to read some real basketball posts...I've just been to Lakerground forum...you wouldn't believe the amount of garbage there. i hope next year we'll meet again in playoffs in western finals..I have nothing else to say now except this. I enjoy your levelled posts, guys. keep it up...

grbh
05-22-2002, 10:20 PM
I hope so too. I believe the Mavs will be a better team next year than this. So watch out Kings i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

OzMavs
05-22-2002, 10:54 PM
<< maybe we can agree on this formula:

&quot;Webber is the role player the Kings need to reach the 4th quarter without being blown out ...&quot;? >>



Yeah, what was he like 4 of 13 in the 2nd half of game 2. We need Murph back simply for his signature!

Hoopsmeister
05-22-2002, 10:59 PM
<< Don't dislike Webber. He just doesn't make an impact in the 4th. Never have and never will. And apparently by the objective view this year is that the Kings don't have to have Webber step up in the 4th. They have others guys who will come to play in the 4th (and win for them). In the past they just had Webber.. >>



I do dislike the Tin Man. In large part because I started off so well-disposed toward him. I liked the Fab Five. I enjoyed their tournament runs and I thought Webber was going to make a great pro. Well, he's made a pretty pro. He is undoubtedly a star in the league. But he is also the least 'clutch' star the league has seen in a long time. When it comes to crunch time, he is worthless. Probably the best thing that happened to Sacramento this year was his being out for so many games to start the season. Not because they are better without him--he is very useful as long as the pressure is not on. But because the rest of the team had improved to the point they could win without him and they learned that about themselves, and also learned to depend on other players--like Bibby and Peja when things actually got tough.

#41
05-23-2002, 08:17 AM
I really hope a eastern team will win the championship, I don't want Peja and Hedo to win a championship before Dirk does next year! i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif