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howdoesmydirktaste
11-28-2013, 12:20 PM
This reminds me of the time he ran down the sideline and collided with the other teams coach. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/28/with-game-in-balance-jason-kidd-tells-player-to-hit-me-spills-drink-gets-psuedo-timeout-to-draw-up-play/related/

Kante
11-28-2013, 12:30 PM
http://www.dallas-mavs.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=5

Underdog
11-28-2013, 12:33 PM
Desperate times call for desperate measures.

Desperate times, indeed... You'd think $180m could buy a better start than 4-11, but good luck achieving much with a rookie coach and a poorly constructed roster full of has-beens and castoffs.

And unlike the Woodson collision, this gimmick didn't pay off.

Sportstudi
11-28-2013, 12:46 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BaIOkWLCYAI8NmV.png

Steve Blake and Xavier Henry have been involved in more play call huddles then Jason Kidd has for the Nets now.

howdoesmydirktaste
11-28-2013, 12:49 PM
http://www.dallas-mavs.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=5

His jersey will hang in the Mavs rafters one day. He will always be remembered as a Mav and my subject talked about a time when he was a Mav and ran into a coach. I'm on topic. Happy Thanksgiving.

LSMF
11-28-2013, 12:52 PM
His jersey will hang in the Mavs rafters one day. He will always be remembered as a Mav and my subject talked about a time when he was a Mav and ran into a coach. I'm on topic. Happy Thanksgiving.

I'm not sure his jersey should hang in the Mavs rafters.

DevinHarriswillstart
11-28-2013, 01:14 PM
Dunno why, but I kinda feel sorry for the Nets. Can't really hate a team that hasn't done anything yet.

LSMF
11-28-2013, 01:26 PM
Dunno why, but I kinda feel sorry for the Nets. Can't really hate a team that hasn't done anything yet.

I don't.

fluid.forty.one
11-28-2013, 04:48 PM
I'm not sure his jersey should hang in the Mavs rafters.

It should and it will.

LSMF
11-28-2013, 09:11 PM
It should and it will.

Um, maybe I'm missing something but weren't his best years in Phoenix and New Jersey? So why is it a lock that his number will be retired here?

Underdog
11-29-2013, 12:04 AM
Um, maybe I'm missing something but weren't his best years in Phoenix and New Jersey? So why is it a lock that his number will be retired here?

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0613/nba_g_kidd_d1_300.jpg

adonis
11-29-2013, 01:41 AM
There's no way we win the title without Kidd's veteran presence down the stretch. He also played unbelievable defense on opposing team's top stars in the playoffs. Plus, Mark got over it anyway... lol

LSMF
11-29-2013, 04:08 AM
There's no way we win the title without Kidd's veteran presence down the stretch. He also played unbelievable defense on opposing team's top stars in the playoffs. Plus, Mark got over it anyway... lol

There's also no way we win the title without Terry, Marion, JJ Barea, and Tyson Chandler's performances. To me after Dirk, Jason Terry is the man who should have his jersey put up in the rafters. He always gave his all for this team and hit clutch shot after clutch shot for years. And to top it off when you look at his efforts in the community it shows why Jason Terry is a lock to have his jersey retired by this organization. Kidd on the other hand, I don't know about. Yes, he played a big role in the 2011 championship, but there were other guys who played big roles as well. It was a collective effort from the Mavs, with Dirk and Jet carrying us home to the title. Didn't Kidd more or less force his way out of Dallas back in the 90s due to his beef with teammate Jimmy Jackson? And then after winning a championship with us he backed out of a verbal agreement to re-sign and left for New York. Anyway, I guess it's up to Mark to decide if he wants to retire Kidd's number. But to me it's obvious his best years were not spent here in Dallas, and I don't see how that is even an argument. So if his best years weren't spent in Dallas what is the reasoning behind retiring his jersey? His role in the championship cannot be the sole reason he goes up there imho.

dude1394
11-29-2013, 09:15 AM
Jet, jkiddo, Shawn, and Tyson should be in the rafters...but Tyson won't because of the collosal failed plan powder.

Ps... Shawn/jkiddo could go in either order or at the same time.

Murphy3
11-29-2013, 09:40 AM
Jkidd shouldn't but he will end up in the rafters

Underdog
11-29-2013, 11:53 AM
Jet, jkiddo, Shawn, and Tyson should be in the rafters...but Tyson won't because of the collosal failed plan powder.

Ps... Shawn/jkiddo could go in either order or at the same time.

Gotta agree on Shawn Marion - his contributions in Dallas have been mighty, especially during our championship run when he was tasked to contain 3 of the top 5 players in the NBA (Kobe/LeBron/Durant).

Dirk/Kidd/JET/Marion should definitely have their jerseys in the AAC rafters... And, yes, Tyson Chandler would probably be there too if he had played more than 1 season for us.

Underdog
11-29-2013, 12:38 PM
Jason Kidd fined $50K for 'spill' (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/10050958/jason-kidd-brooklyn-nets-fined-50000-intentionally-dropping-cup-sidelines)

DevinHarriswillstart
11-29-2013, 12:42 PM
Jason Kidd fined $50K for 'spill' (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/10050958/jason-kidd-brooklyn-nets-fined-50000-intentionally-dropping-cup-sidelines)

Man, I didn't see the blatant "hit me" that Kidd says to Taylor. Wow. Desperate times call for desperate measures I guess...

Kidd Karma
12-04-2013, 07:45 PM
Now he fires his hand picked Defensive Assistant in Frank. Seems there was tension from camp, Frank was the loudest at practices, etc. then came his suspension where Joe Prunty was named the HC for the first 2 games. And well once you get into Kidd's doghouse......well you will have a difficult time getting out....as Jim Jackson found out. As for the squad, wrong fit. This is a championship or bust team, not a team in development, do you allow your 1 year old...eh 16 year old, drive your brand new Porsche? Hell no, but that is exactly what the Nets are allowing Kidd to do. The Nets tried to put dad in the passenger seat with Frank, but you know what happens, there near misses arguments, scratches on the side, screeching tires....this is what's happening to the Nets, it don't help when Williams has missed much of the season.

I think Kidd's jersey should be retired. As always, his numbers don't do him justice. What he brought to the table was a way to feed Dirk without having Dirk eaten up with triples and quadruple teams(Thanks Nellie). He brought a different game, he changed the attitude of the Mavs from a finesse up and down offensive only race horse to a more turtle elephant, grinding team, who outwilled opponents at the end of games. He helped Dirk learn to use his teammates and save gas for the fourth quarters.

fluid.forty.one
12-05-2013, 01:00 AM
I like how there is there are these surprising "differences" between Kidd and Frank. Was Kidd not anticipating this? After those years with Frank, he really couldn't see how this might end up?

What a mess.

DevinHarriswillstart
12-05-2013, 09:23 AM
The hilarious thing is Frank's contract. What other org would guarantee such a long and lucrative contract to an assistant?

Kidd Karma
12-05-2013, 12:51 PM
The hilarious thing is Frank's contract. What other org would guarantee such a long and lucrative contract to an assistant?

Crazy stuff, but that ain't hitting their cap. Again years where Kidd helped RJ, KMart, Mikki Moore earn big pay days, he again helps LFrank, in this case get a nice deal. Frank's hired legal help to wrangle a buyout so he doesn't have to go into the office.

I love how the NY media is spinning this, to start Kidd was after Frank. Kidd saw the 30 hour days Frank put in during his playing days and wanted Frank as HC. But now after Kidd fires Frank, reports surface from anonymous ex-Nets that Kidd hated the long practice hours, hated the 10 inch thick playbook that Frank put together, often times ignoring the play call and running his own play. I think Kidd thought it would be more of the same, where Kidd ran the show with Frank's assistance, but Frank having been in Boston and Detroit, learned to exude some control over his responsibilities, it must have been a different Frank than the one Kidd played for.

DevinHarriswillstart
12-05-2013, 03:09 PM
Crazy stuff, but that ain't hitting their cap. Again years where Kidd helped RJ, KMart, Mikki Moore earn big pay days, he again helps LFrank, in this case get a nice deal. Frank's hired legal help to wrangle a buyout so he doesn't have to go into the office.

I love how the NY media is spinning this, to start Kidd was after Frank. Kidd saw the 30 hour days Frank put in during his playing days and wanted Frank as HC. But now after Kidd fires Frank, reports surface from anonymous ex-Nets that Kidd hated the long practice hours, hated the 10 inch thick playbook that Frank put together, often times ignoring the play call and running his own play. I think Kidd thought it would be more of the same, where Kidd ran the show with Frank's assistance, but Frank having been in Boston and Detroit, learned to exude some control over his responsibilities, it must have been a different Frank than the one Kidd played for.

Well I certainly think Kidd thought that Frank would mentor him. That would make more sense if Frank was hired as the head coach with Jason as his top assistant. That is what should have happened. Let frank be the Nazi practice and playbook guy with Kidd being the "players" assistant coach. As we all see, it doesn't work the other way around. Kidd's head got a little too big jumping to head coach, and now he is paying the price for it with a losing team.

EricaLubarsky
12-05-2013, 03:19 PM
All I know is that Lawrence is seeking legal counsel. Kidd has forbidden him from being at games.

And Pecker-ov is paying over 180 million in salaries and taxes for a team that is 5-13

EricaLubarsky
12-05-2013, 04:44 PM
http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/10080740/mark-cuban-happy-dallas-mavericks-not-stuck-brooklyn-nets
Cuban: Fears playing out in Brooklyn
NEW ORLEANS -- Mark Cuban's greatest fear for the Dallas Mavericks is playing out in Brooklyn.

The Mavs owner was heavily criticized for stripping down his 2011 championship roster after the ensuing NBA lockout, opting to create space under the salary cap by not making competitive bids for several key players once they became free agents. His concern was that the franchise would deteriorate into an expensive team that wasn't good enough to contend and didn't have any realistic avenues to improve under the new collective bargaining agreement.

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That appears to be the scenario for the Brooklyn Nets, who have stumbled to a 5-13 start despite a veteran-loaded roster with a bloated payroll that will cost owner Mikhail Prokhorov $190 million including the luxury tax this season.

"That's exactly right," Cuban said Wednesday night. "You get stuck. That's exactly what I thought. ... That was definitely a fear."

Cuban had paid the luxury tax every season of its existence until 2011-12. The new CBA includes much harsher luxury tax penalties, which escalate for repeater taxpaying teams and at an incremental rate based on how much teams are over the limit.

However, it's not necessarily the money that concerned Cuban. Rather, it's the difficulty of improving a roster as a team paying the luxury tax under the current set of rules that led him to bid farewell to key championship pieces such as Tyson Chandler, J.J. Barea and current Nets guard Jason Terry.

"Those two go hand in hand," Cuban said. "If we were [a team full of 25-year-olds], the massive luxury tax bill is nothing. But when you know as you get older, you get stuck. ... It's not just that you're stuck for a week or a half a season, you're stuck. Now that the rules got even more stringent, you're even more stuck."

Cuban's plan had been to sign a superstar to pair with Dirk Nowitzki in one of the last two offseasons. But he struck out on that goal, as Nets point guard Deron Williams and Houston Rockets center Dwight Howard turned down the Mavs and Los Angeles Clippers point guard Chris Paul declined even a meeting with the team.

The Mavs instead added several free agents this summer, a crop headlined by guards Monta Ellis and Jose Calderon. They're now positioned to contend for a Western Conference playoff spot -- after Dallas' 12-year playoff run ended last season -- and will have the cap space to be major players in free agency again this summer.

The Nets did manage to make bold moves last summer, acquiring 37-year-old Kevin Garnett, 36-year-old Paul Pierce and 36-year old Terry in a trade with the Boston Celtics. Their contracts are worth a combined $33.4 million plus luxury-tax penalties this season. Garnett and Terry are signed through next season.

"There was a reason they were trying to get rid of them," Cuban said of those contracts.

That trade created a lot of positive publicity for the Nets at the time, but it hasn't panned out so far. The production of Pierce (12.4 points per game), Garnett (6.5) and Terry (5.3) has dropped off dramatically from last season in Boston, much less the prime of their careers. Now, the Nets are in the news for the wrong reasons.

"It was almost like the Lakers, right?" Cuban said, referring to last season's heavily hyped Los Angeles team after its summer acquisitions of Howard and Steve Nash. "It was just preordained, a super team, and it's just tough. We went into last season thinking the Lakers [would be great]. The discussion was, would they win 70 games? Super teams are tough, particularly as guys get older. Again, they could still turn it all around. It's just not easy."

Asked if he had any advice for Prokhorov, Cuban cracked, "Drink more? I don't know."

Bayliss
12-06-2013, 12:21 PM
Kidd (IMO) will be a GREAT coach. He brings to coaching what many of the other great players lack: articulation and teaching ability.

But the Nets are a trainwreck right now. They have no young talent, and their old vets are way past their prime.

Underdog
12-06-2013, 12:40 PM
Kidd (IMO) will be a GREAT coach. He brings to coaching what many of the other great players lack: articulation and teaching ability.

But the Nets are a trainwreck right now. They have no young talent, and their old vets are way past their prime.

And they mostly traded away their draft picks (http://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Future/Nets.htm) for the next 5 years to get those over-the-hill vets... The Nets went all-in and faceplanted.

sike
12-06-2013, 01:35 PM
He brings to coaching what many of the other great players lack: articulation and teaching ability.


BAZING

Jack.Kerr
12-06-2013, 04:17 PM
Kidd (IMO) will be a GREAT coach. He brings to coaching what many of the other great players lack: articulation and teaching ability.

But the Nets are a trainwreck right now. They have no young talent, and their old vets are way past their prime.

I think Kidd outlasts King, at least for now. Kidd might get a season longer than King gets. King has a sort of fašade of competence, but the Sixers, apart from that fluky championship series appearance where they played sacrificial lamb to the Lakers, seemed held together with bailing wire and duct tape thereafter. Never quite understood replacing Rod Thorn with Billy King (though maybe that was Avery's doing--who knows.) Seems like Thorn was on his way out as soon as Prokhorov bought in.

Kidd, to mix a few metaphors, looks like a deer lost in the headlights, stuck in the starting blocks, who has not yet begun to fight. As distasteful as the thing with Frank is/was, at least he's showing a competitive pulse. But he's going to have to show more than the ability to be a backbiting corporate infighter to survive. And soon.

Everything hinges on Williams getting healthy, coming back and clicking with Kidd. In fact, Williams and Lopez are a reasonable start in terms of talent. But King's bulk purchase of Celtics is looking like a losing bet--KG is further gone in terms of production than anticipated, Pierce and Terry are injured. Ditto for AK-47. But all of these are King's moves, including Kidd. I just don't see how he (King) won't be held responsible before Kidd.

Jack.Kerr
12-23-2013, 09:11 AM
Kidd's path just got a little steeper: Lopez out for the year with a broken foot. Three surgeries since 2011. Damned shame. Will his career get cut short like Ming's? Or will he be able to play a long career in a diminished role like Bill Cartwright?

Logical option would be Asik, but Nets have no assets. Would Houston take KG in a package? Would KG waive his no-trade clause? Billy King says the Nets won't be making any moves, but tough to see them moving up if they don't move someone into Lopez's spot.

Really hate to see a talented player like Lopez have his career shortened.

Kidd Karma
12-24-2013, 01:52 PM
Rumors floating that Houston asked for Deron in trade for Asik and Lin.

And this:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba/news/20131224/jason-kidd-blasts-nets-after-pacers-loss/

dude1394
01-21-2014, 12:47 AM
All I know is that Lawrence is seeking legal counsel. Kidd has forbidden him from being at games.

And Pecker-ov is paying over 180 million in salaries and taxes for a team that is 5-13


17-22, 7th in the east and 7-3 in their last 10.

Lessee so that is 12-9 since jkiddo fired Lawrence.

sike
01-21-2014, 10:35 AM
Love the idea of Kidd turning around that team.

Unlike some in Big D, I've got nothing but love for JKidd.

*Other than his troublesome private life*

dude1394
01-21-2014, 10:40 AM
I'd also love to see Carmelo fail, that would be icing.

Underdog
06-28-2014, 08:57 PM
@KBergCBS: In a wholly unexpected turn of events, the Nets have given coach Jason Kidd permission to talk to the Bucks, league source confirms.

@KBergCBS: Kidd made a play to become the Nets' president and coach and lost, source says. Owner Mikhail Prokhorov, according to one account, said no.

‏@KBergCBS: Whatever happens in Milwaukee, difficult to imagine Kidd returning to Nets. "I don't see it," source said of bombshell turn of events.

@KBergCBS: Not clear what Kidd's end game is with Bucks, who have a coach, Larry Drew, and a GM, John Hammond, who just drafted Jabari Parker.


Denied promotion, Jason Kidd gets OK to talk with Bucks (http://nypost.com/2014/06/28/denied-promotion-jason-kidd-gets-ok-to-talk-with-bucks/)

EricaLubarsky
06-28-2014, 09:00 PM
Wow.

DevinHarriswillstart
06-28-2014, 09:11 PM
In some ways, I don't blame Kidd. That organization is terribly run, and he thought he could take advantage. Shocking that this would go as far as him leaving though.

j0Shi
06-28-2014, 09:27 PM
dat swag

Jack.Kerr
06-28-2014, 10:25 PM
In some ways, I don't blame Kidd. That organization is terribly run, and he thought he could take advantage. Shocking that this would go as far as him leaving though.

Dolan laughs. Billy King wipes his brow. Lawrence Frank files another weekly report with a wry grin. Mark Jackson licks his lips. Larry Drew and John Hammond simultaneously mouth, "WTF?!" Byron Scott finishes off a bag of popcorn and shakes his head. Kevin McHale glances over his shoulder. Somewhere in China, Stephon Marbuy says, "SEE? I told y'all I was the best point guard in the NBA." And somewhere Jim Jackson lip synchs "Unbreak My Heart".

Kidd is moving way too fast, but it's probably also an indictment of Billy King that Kidd saw this power play as his best chance at survival. And for his trouble, Milwaukee.

twelli
06-29-2014, 06:51 AM
What's with the hurry? He might be better off working as an assistant coach first, why wanting all that power after just one season?

EricaLubarsky
06-30-2014, 10:52 AM
Explain to me why the Bucks had to give up two second rounders to get Kidd.

DirkFTW
06-30-2014, 01:19 PM
Explain to me why the Bucks had to give up two second rounders to get Kidd.

Maybe they plan to make him a player-coach again?

I wonder how many first round picks would Carlisle command.

MavzMan
06-30-2014, 01:21 PM
Because he is under contract to the Nets still. They essentially own his "coaching rights". The (wiki) CBA actually have provisions for this:

"Players can be traded between teams in exchange for other players, draft picks and/or a limited amount of cash. Coaches may only be traded for draft picks or cash. "

src: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Collective_Bargaining_Agreement
-> look under section Trades

Jack.Kerr
06-30-2014, 01:53 PM
Explain to me why the Bucks had to give up two second rounders to get Kidd.

Didn't the Celtics get a future first round draft pick for allowing Doc Rivers to go to the Clippers?

Underdog
06-30-2014, 01:58 PM
Didn't the Celtics get a future first round draft pick for allowing Doc Rivers to go to the Clippers?

Yep... Coaches forcing their way out of contracts can have a pretty nice silver lining for the team losing them.

Although, wasn't Kidd basically fired? Seems like the Nets shouldn't be allowed to get any compensation.

DevinHarriswillstart
06-30-2014, 02:23 PM
Yep... Coaches forcing their way out of contracts can have a pretty nice silver lining for the team losing them.

Although, wasn't Kidd basically fired? Seems like the Nets shouldn't be allowed to get any compensation.

Just shows that second round picks aren't going to be a barrier between a team getting an asset they see as much more valuable.

TripleDipping
06-30-2014, 07:33 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11155852/milwaukee-bucks-brooklyn-nets-agree-deal-jason-kidd

Some comedy gold in the comments section..

Jack.Kerr
06-30-2014, 08:48 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11155852/milwaukee-bucks-brooklyn-nets-agree-deal-jason-kidd

Some comedy gold in the comments section..

The real comedy gold is Chris Douchehard saying that Jason Kidd "did a very good job" with the Nets last season.

Underdog
07-01-2014, 10:05 PM
The Jason Kidd Mess Has a $144 Million Price Tag (http://grantland.com/the-triangle/grantland-exclusive-the-jason-kidd-mess-has-a-144-million-pricetag/)

Jack.Kerr
07-01-2014, 10:46 PM
The Jason Kidd Mess Has a $144 Million Price Tag (http://grantland.com/the-triangle/grantland-exclusive-the-jason-kidd-mess-has-a-144-million-pricetag/)

I tend to think Kidd is right about King.

Right idea, bloody awful execution.

Kidd Karma
07-02-2014, 01:14 AM
What's with the hurry? He might be better off working as an assistant coach first, why wanting all that power after just one season?

I think he was more concerned of the way the team is built one and done. 3 first rounders to Boston for KG and Pierce. I mean another 10-21 start Kidd can start collecting his unemployment checks. He was pretty close in December, seems King wanted to unload him, but ownership didn't. King quickly gobbled up JJ in an effort to keep Deron, Wallace for the Lillard pick....it's nice to have an unlimited bank account, but you can't makeup for the loss of draft picks. King did select Plumlee and sign Teletovic....Kidd was actually able to milk something out of him....but that was more of a result of a downsized KG. In addition I think Kidd made this move with the idea that he has the support of ownership despite King. Ownership suggested King interview Kidd, Kidd blows King away. King wants to fire Kidd in December, ownership does not want to. So one would surmise Kidd had some pull with the Russians.....Kidd made a calculated move.....or was it....did Kidd really have former adviser Bucks owner Lasary in his back pocket.....did he suggest the Nets trade Lopez/Mirza for Ilyasova/Sanders...knowing he'd end up with the Bucks? Kidd took off after Lopez was injured, going with a tag team center of Plumlee and KG? Now with Williams coming off ankle surgery, Lopez another broken foot....what's to look forward to....continue developing Plumlee? The fat contracts don't expire until 16-17. So their hindered cap wise, loss of picks. There isnt much of a future to look forward to....that's what Kidd was facing going into 14-15....but that doesn't excuse forcing his way into another man's position.

Kidd Karma
07-02-2014, 01:16 AM
I tend to think Kidd is right about King.

Right idea, bloody awful execution.

Agreed.....

DevinHarriswillstart
07-02-2014, 09:41 AM
I think if Kidd had just expressed his distaste for King in another manner, then he might have won this. I mean, Kidd got the Nets their first playoffs series win this past season...since he was on the Nets in the 06-07 season. The Nets were pretty good from January on after their horrendous start. He definitely had ammunition. If the Nets had beaten Miami, then this likely would have worked.

mac222b
07-02-2014, 11:59 AM
Jesus Jason Kidd just kind of seems like a shitty person. We aren't privy to the entire timeline of events but it doesn't take a genius to figure out Kidd had this fallback option, a team that just happened to have drafted Jabari Parker, before he made his power play.

The whole thing is sort of disingenuous and reminds me of the Doc Rivers situation, minus the emotional self-righteous bent. Both abandoned crumbling infrastructures at exactly the moment it didn't work for them anymore. And both were in jobs they were lucky to have in the first place(Rivers was considered a mediocre to subpar coach before being gifted the Big Three). Kidd knew exactly what he was signing up for in Brooklyn.

Really sucks for Larry Drew. Taking a man's livelihood is no joke. Pretty low. Kidd's an All-time great Mav and great player. Will be forever grateful for 2011. But everything about the guy screams scumbag.

Kidd Karma
07-02-2014, 01:49 PM
I think if Kidd had just expressed his distaste for King in another manner, then he might have won this. I mean, Kidd got the Nets their first playoffs series win this past season...since he was on the Nets in the 06-07 season. The Nets were pretty good from January on after their horrendous start. He definitely had ammunition. If the Nets had beaten Miami, then this likely would have worked.

King commented during the season, that now he knows what kind of players to get for Kidd....which was huge, but why Kidd went down like this, still can't believe it. Geez, you don't do the KG trade, you still have your picks, you'd start Wallace-JJ, Lopez, Deron and Livingston during the season. In his play, Kidd was always about forward thinking, he'd see things in movies the normal person wouldn't pay attention to. I think he thought he had the Russians in his back pocket, given the hiring, the 10-21 start and the game 7 win. So he thought he could give the team a vision to the future, rather than a murky future waiting for all the fat contracts to expire, so that they can sell Brooklyn again. Right now the best they can hope for is a 3 year 10 million dollar contract. They can't even sign and trade Livingston. Once the Russians said no, Kidd knew he had his former financial advisor in Lasary in Milwaukee as a landing spot. Ugly, ugly, ugly.......

tsar
07-02-2014, 01:51 PM
Jesus Jason Kidd just kind of seems like a shitty person. We aren't privy to the entire timeline of events but it doesn't take a genius to figure out Kidd had this fallback option, a team that just happened to have drafted Jabari Parker, before he made his power play.

The whole thing is sort of disingenuous and reminds me of the Doc Rivers situation, minus the emotional self-righteous bent. Both abandoned crumbling infrastructures at exactly the moment it didn't work for them anymore. And both were in jobs they were lucky to have in the first place(Rivers was considered a mediocre to subpar coach before being gifted the Big Three). Kidd knew exactly what he was signing up for in Brooklyn.

Really sucks for Larry Drew. Taking a man's livelihood is no joke. Pretty low. Kidd's an All-time great Mav and great player. Will be forever grateful for 2011. But everything about the guy screams scumbag.

He knew what he was signing up for and took the opportunity. Eventually found his way and made the team competitive. He might have over stepped with the power grab but there's nothing that prevents him from doing so especially since he had a backup plan. If you see yourself stuck in a situation that will not improve (for instance a company in a downfall) wouldn't you try to improve your situation and take some control? He couldn't get the control and went with his backup plan. It's not his fault the Bucks believe that he's a better fit for the organization. Maybe it's just connections that got him the Bucks gig, but either way the team didn't believe Drew did a good enough job with the team if they're letting a 2nd year coach take over.

If I found myself in a quagmire situation and had an out; sure as hell I would take it. Why would I care about the guy I'm replacing?

Saying all this doesn't mean he isn't a douche (wife beater, drunk driving, etc) but I don't think so in this particular situation.

Kidd Karma
07-02-2014, 01:55 PM
Jesus Jason Kidd just kind of seems like a shitty person. We aren't privy to the entire timeline of events but it doesn't take a genius to figure out Kidd had this fallback option, a team that just happened to have drafted Jabari Parker, before he made his power play.

The whole thing is sort of disingenuous and reminds me of the Doc Rivers situation, minus the emotional self-righteous bent. Both abandoned crumbling infrastructures at exactly the moment it didn't work for them anymore. And both were in jobs they were lucky to have in the first place(Rivers was considered a mediocre to subpar coach before being gifted the Big Three). Kidd knew exactly what he was signing up for in Brooklyn.

Really sucks for Larry Drew. Taking a man's livelihood is no joke. Pretty low. Kidd's an All-time great Mav and great player. Will be forever grateful for 2011. But everything about the guy screams scumbag.

Agreed, he had Lasary in his back pocket, as Lasary was a former Nets owner and Kidd's former financial advisor. I can't really think Kidd was looking at Parker, I think personnel wise, asset wise...on the basketball side of things....anything was better than the Nets for at least 2 more seasons...would he have lasted those 2 years? Ha, given the state of the league, but there were some inside the Nets who wanted Kidd to become their Popovich....eventually. Could Kidd have gotten the Laker job? Personnel wise, the Bucks maybe are in better shape...but I think this is more about his relationship with Lasary.

jay3189
07-03-2014, 03:33 PM
What the Bucks organization did to Larry Drew was messed up, Bucks should get penalized for their actions. How as a team franchise, you go after another coach without letting your current coach know the details. If I'm not mistaken the new Bucks owner was Jason Kidd's financial adviser. That was a low blow move to handle business like that

Kidd Karma
07-03-2014, 03:49 PM
What the Bucks organization did to Larry Drew was messed up, Bucks should get penalized for their actions. How as a team franchise, you go after another coach without letting your current coach know the details. If I'm not mistaken the new Bucks owner was Jason Kidd's financial adviser. That was a low blow move to handle business like that

Kidd actually had his agent Schwartz contact the Bucks, Thursday, day of draft, set up meeting with Bucks in New York, that happened on Friday. King got wind of the internal push for power sometime on Wednesday. Trade talks started Saturday, the Nets wanted a first, talks stalled, press got wind of this scenario, talk became action. Both sides are at fault, Kidd and Lasry, Lasry had to take care of things inside, and Kidd going for another coach's job, both low blows. I'm sure in one of their old conversations, Lasry promised Kidd a job.....and well Kidd took him up on it. The Lakers have an opening....if he really wanted out of Brooklyn.

Jack.Kerr
07-05-2014, 01:04 PM
1) Nets hired Lionel Hollins.

2) Reports emerge that Kidd was trying to trade Lopez to Bucks back in December/January. League may need to investigate.

Underdog
07-09-2014, 04:14 PM
@KBergCBS: Kidd's top assistant with Nets last season, Joe Prunty, finalizing deal to become his associate head coach with Bucks.

Kidd Karma
07-09-2014, 05:51 PM
@KBergCBS: Kidd's top assistant with Nets last season, Joe Prunty, finalizing deal to become his associate head coach with Bucks.

Kidd named him the opening day HC over Frank during his 2 game suspension a year ago.