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mcsluggo
11-19-2002, 07:10 PM
As a fan of a team that is neither the Lakers nor the Mavs, I figured here would be a good place to discuss this matter:

Do the Lakers get the benefit of the doubt from the refs?

In my personal opinion, the refs have a clear "winners-bias" the Lakers, Kings, Mavs ect almost always get the calls against piss-poor Griz, Warriors, Nugz etc...

While in big games between top teams, the reigning champs get the calls. Five years ago the Jazz got the calls against ANYBODY except the Bulls (who they NEVER got calls against).

I don't think its a conspiracy, per se, but there definately seems to be this inclination.

Our laker fans friends seem to feel otherwise.
Laker discussion board (http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?topic=32810&forum=1&34)

They seem to feel that the Lakers, and Kobe specifically, NEVER get the calls. What do you think?

Hoopsmeister
11-19-2002, 07:16 PM
I think that if there is a question in the ref's mind about what happened he is going to come down in favor of the bigger name. Its just human nature--presumption goes to the guy who has already proved something. And there is no bigger name than 'defending world champion'.

OutletPass
11-20-2002, 03:20 PM
Totally agree with Hoops.

But can't say that Mavs get the calls...don't think we're that well respected yet...and I do think that the benefit of the doubt is given to players on "name" teams, not necessarily the entire team.

Evilmav2
11-20-2002, 04:04 PM
I don't think the Lakers get anywhere near as many phantom "touch-fouls" as the Kings do...

MavKikiNYC
11-20-2002, 04:08 PM
<< I think that if there is a question in the ref's mind about what happened he is going to come down in favor of the bigger name. Its just human nature--presumption goes to the guy who has already proved something. And there is no bigger name than 'defending world champion'. >>



Ed F. Rush sure gave Jordan the call. Incredible. I smell rats AND fish.

Woman says Jordan didn't fulfill role in alleged deal

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ESPN.com news services

CHICAGO -- The woman accused of extortion by Michael Jordan responded with her own lawsuit Tuesday, saying he offered her $5 million to keep quiet about their relationship.

Karla Knafel asked the court to force Jordan to pay her the money because he was in breach of contract.

Jordan filed a lawsuit in October, contending he had a relationship with Knafel more than 10 years ago and paid her $250,000 &quot;under threat of publicly exposing that relationship.''

Jordan's lawsuit said Knafel tried to extort another $5 million.

On Tuesday, Knafel's lawyer, Michael Hannafan, said: &quot;It was Jordan who initially offered to pay her $5 million in the spring of 1991 for her agreement not to file a public paternity proceeding and for keeping their sexual relationship publicly confidential.''

Knafel alleges she gave birth twice -- once to a stillborn child that was Jordan's offspring and a second time to a daughter who is not Jordan's child, sources told ESPN's Shelley Smith. That daughter is now 11 years old.

Knafel's lawyer said his client and Jordan had a sexual relationship from 1989 to 1991 in Chicago, Indianapolis and Phoenix. Knafel discovered she was pregnant shortly after being with Jordan in November 1990, Hannafan said.

At that time, she believed the child was Jordan's, he said.

Jordan then offered her $5 million to buy her silence about their relationship and about the child she thought was his, said Hannafan. He said Knafel is not today claiming the child is Jordan's.

&quot;I will tell you that the alleged claim of extortion by Michael Jordan and his lawyers is nothing but baloney,'' Hannafan added.

Jordan's attorney, Frederick Sperling, said Tuesday that the basketball great authorized him &quot;to state that the papers Karla Knafel filed with the court today are full of lies. Any allegation that Michael Jordan is the father of any of Karla Knafel's children is completely untrue.''

Knafel's counterclaim alleges she met Jordan after being introduced over the phone by NBA referee Eddie F. Rush, who was in Indianapolis for a Bulls game against the Pacers.

Knafel claims she was singing at a hotel when Rush, who is still employed as an NBA referee, complimented her and they began talking about basketball. Later the referee called Jordan's hotel room and Jordan talked to Knafel.

Knafel claims she declined an invitation to meet Jordan the next day because she had a headache, but that he continued calling her and eventually met her at a Chicago hotel in December 1989. Jordan had married his wife, Juanita, that September. She claims Jordan told her his marriage was a &quot;business arrangement'' meant to help his public image.

When Jordan was told by a Wizards spokesman that reporters wanted to ask him about the countersuit, Jordan declined to meet with the media after the Wizards' practice Tuesday.

As he was leaving the team's locker room, Jordan said he would speak on the subject Wednesday after practice, although he would not guarantee he would say more than &quot;no comment.&quot;

Jordan has asked the court for an injunction barring further extortion efforts and a declaration that Knafel's demand is unenforceable because of her &quot;existing obligation not to publicly expose the relationship.''

Jordan and his wife, Juanita, were married more than 12 years ago. She filed for divorce last January but since withdrew the case and issued a joint statement with her husband saying they were attempting reconciliation.

Just211
11-20-2002, 05:27 PM
the better team always gets the calls. all Mavs fan should have noticed this. Every year the Mavs get more and more calls. I remember when the Mavs sucked, and i would get frustrated watching teams such as the Bulls, Jazz and Lakers getting all the calls. It's unfortunate, but that is what happens.

Chiwas
11-20-2002, 06:14 PM
Im trying to figure out when Cuban is going to get the call...from the NBA.

Maybe after three or four streak titles.

mcsluggo
12-07-2002, 01:02 AM
a fairly good time to ask this question again?

NashFan1341
12-07-2002, 01:38 AM
I really don't think tonight is a fair assessment of if the Lakers get most of the calls. Yes that one over the back foul on Raef should've been called, but it wouldn't have saved us. This loss tonight was the fault of the Mavs lack of effort. They looked like the Lakers did in the first half.

Just211
12-07-2002, 05:43 PM
you're right NashFan, there was a short stretch where the Lakers got some calls, but it wasn't during the comeback. Dallas just seemed to lose interest, and let the Lakers back in it, then Dallas couldn't get it started back up.