View Full Version : JWill traded for Bibby

06-28-2001, 07:57 AM
What the hell are the Grizz thinking?! Mike Bibby and Brent Price were traded to Sactown for Jason Williams and Nick Anderson. Talk about a team with NO LEADERSHIP!

06-28-2001, 07:59 AM
they have a leader. shane battier
it won't take him long to take the team by the reigns..

06-28-2001, 08:59 AM
If it's true, it's a great deal for the Kings.

06-28-2001, 09:01 AM
oh yeah, i know it's a good deal for them.
but, if they don't resign webber, they're not going to be as good of a team next year.
that's all i'm saying

06-28-2001, 09:22 AM
Done deal! The GM in Sac-town will win his 3rd straight Exec of the Year (assuming he resigns Weber).
Williams' rocky relationship with Kings comes to an end
Associated Press

SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- The Sacramento Kings concluded three turbulent years with Jason Williams, trading the flashy point guard to the Vancouver Grizzlies for Mike Bibby in a four-man deal.

Nick Anderson was traded along with Williams to the Grizzlies, who are expected to relocate to Memphis this summer. Brent Price, who played just six games for Vancouver last season, was sent to Sacramento.

Williams' dazzling playmaking abilities were clouded by his erratic behavior on and off the court in Sacramento, where he became a fan favorite, but frequently embarrassed the organization with displays of temper and poor judgment.

Williams and Anderson "contributed to a lot of our success here the last couple of years, but we think we made a good move for our team in the future," Kings vice president of basketball operations Geoff Petrie said.

Unhappy as his playing time and importance to the Kings decreased last season, Williams openly questioned his role with the team and suggested he wanted to be traded. Petrie obliged him with a late draft-day deal.

"The deal evolved during the course of the day, as things like this will during draft day," Petrie said. "They are very excited about getting Jason, and we're real happy to be getting Mike."

While the Kings' high-flying offense lost its enigmatic leader, the Grizzlies' second major trade of draft day completely changes Vancouver's nucleus just days before the franchise's move to Tennessee is expected to be approved.

Earlier in the day, Vancouver traded Shareef Abdur-Rahim -- the franchise's career scoring leader -- to Atlanta for Lorenzen Wright, Brevin Knight and the draft rights to 7-footer Pau Gasol.

Petrie, the NBA's executive of the year in two of the past three seasons, moved a potential problem in Williams for one of the game's most highly regarded young point guards. Petrie outmaneuvered several teams in the hunt for Bibby, who averaged 15.9 points and 8.4 assists in playing all 82 games last season.

In Williams, the Grizzlies acquired one of the NBA's most visible players who will be sure to sell many tickets in their new city. With behind-the-back passes and long 3-pointers, Williams became a fixture on national television highlight shows.

As a rookie in the strike-shortened 1999 season, Williams brought immediate excitement with his razzle-dazzle style. He averaged 12.8 points and six assists as a rookie, and he teamed with Chris Webber to lead the Kings to the first of three consecutive playoff appearances.

But Williams' effectiveness and playing time gradually decreased the next two seasons while Sacramento became one of the NBA's elite teams, finishing last season with the league's fourth-best record.

Because of Williams' defensive limitations, he watched reserve Bobby Jackson play the fourth quarter of most games. Williams, the seventh choice in the 1998 draft, averaged 9.4 points and 5.4 assists this season, shooting a career-best 40 percent from the field, but making only 31 percent of his 3-point attempts.

Williams spent a controversial final season with the Kings. He was suspended for the first five games after failing to comply with the league's drug policy. Twice during the year he was fined for verbal exchanges with fans, and he embarrassed the Kings during a game in Oakland in which he made slurs derogatory to Asians and gays while bickering with fans behind the bench.

Anderson was a starter for the Kings in 1999-00, but he vanished from coach Rick Adelman's rotation last season. He averaged 1.8 points in 21 games -- but by trading him to Vancouver, the Kings avoid any buyout of his contract, which runs for two more years at more than $10 million.

Bibby is unknown to many casual NBA fans because he played in Canada for the lowly Grizzlies. That's not the case in Sacramento, where the Kings have coveted Bibby for several months.

"When you get a chance to get a player you really like, you get him," Adelman said.

Big Boy Laroux
06-28-2001, 10:00 AM
ok, i thought the reef deal was good for both teams, but this deal is waaaaay favoring the kings.

what are the grizz thinking? unless they think williams can put butts in the seats...

06-28-2001, 10:12 AM
that's exactly what they're thinking

06-28-2001, 05:14 PM

Grizzlies prepared to make ugly move to Memphis
June 27, 2001 Print it
Sean Deveney
The Sporting News

It's one of the all-time great lines in sports: Branch Rickey, running the Pittsburgh Pirates, was trying to cut the salary of star player Ralph Kiner by 25 percent in 1953. Kiner protested, saying he would not play for that amount. Rickey told Kiner, "Well, we can finish last without you."

Switch sports and fast forward a few decades, and you'll find no NBA team has been better at finishing last than the Grizzlies. They did it this year, bringing up the rear in the Midwest Division at 23-59. (Remember back in November when they were 4-1? Didn't think so.) They did it the year before (22-60) and the year before that (8-42). In fact, they are 101-559 in the six-year history of the team.

No player has more thoroughly borne the weight of such ineptitude than Shareef Adbur-Rahim, who has played in 375 of the Grizzlies' last 378 games, making him the biggest loser in the NBA. No, really, no player has been involved in more losses in the last five years than Abdur-Rahim. Not that it's his fault -- he averaged 20.8 points and 8.2 rebounds in his time with Vancouver. But it did not help much.

The Grizz still finished last. Every time. Now, by shipping Abdur-Rahim off to his hometown of Atlanta, the Grizzlies have ensured that they will finish last again, maybe as solidly last as they have ever finished. (Can they win 15? 10?) Now, they will finish last without the closest thing they have to a star player.

This is a franchise in transition of course, one on its way out of Vancouver and heading to Memphis, and many of you are already annoyed that I am picking on a team while it is so obviously down. We have been waiting for the talented core of point guard Mike Bibby, shooting guard Michael Dickerson and Abdur-Rahim to blossom into a competitive club, and while they have been increasingly competitive in their losses, their victories have been mostly moral. This is the type of team that approaches fourth-quarter leads wondering what new and interesting way it will find to squander it.

The reason is simple: Bibby, Dickerson and Abdur-Rahim are excellent players, but they are not the kind of shout-it-out, smack-you-in-the-head, hop-on-my-back type of guys that make a collection of excellent players into winners. It's a personality issue. This is a team without personality, and as long as Abdur-Rahim, Bibby and Dickerson were still at the core, it would remain that way.

Abdur-Rahim will continue to put up numbers in Atlanta, and he will continue to leave the leading to someone else. Bibby, traded for the Kings' troubled point guard Jason Williams, will bring solid outside shooting and conservative decision-making to Sacramento, which will help them should Doug Christie leave via free agency. As for the Grizz, Dickerson could be on his way out, as well.

Now that we are two-thirds into such a transition, whew, things are going to get ugly. Hard to imagine it could get uglier as the team gets started in Memphis, considering how bad things were in Vancouver. But right now, you have a team that is built around Dickerson, Williams, rookies Pau Gasol and Shane Battier, and second-year man Stromile Swift.

The hope, of course, is that Memphians are ecstatic enough at having a major professional franchise that they give the Grizzlies a little slack for two years. And, hopefully, Battier and Gasol eventually will prove as talented but more vocal than Abdur-Rahim, Bibby and Dickerson. Oh, and who knows, maybe Yao Ming or the other Jason Williams will join the Grizzlies on draft night next year.

In the meantime, the word to remember is ugly. But, hey, it was ugly to begin with, wasn't it?

06-28-2001, 07:13 PM
The Williams / Bibby deal is good for both teams I think. Kings got rid of Jason and Anderson. Grizz get Williams, which means media attention+ attendance. They also got Knight out of the Rahim deal, who could step in for Williams. I think the Grizz made some clever moves. Rahim and Bibby wouldnīt have done anything for them in terms of winning games. They also wouldnīt have created a lot of attention and attendance. Battier, Williams, Gasol will do just that: draw attendance and media attention. Williams will get the green light when the Grizz are down in the standings, and he will be spectacular. By the way: Bibby isnīt that good of a player either. He was with a bad team and had 16 and 8. He doesnīt shoot the ball exeptionally well (good though), and has an assist/turnover ratio of 2.3/1 which isnīt that good.

Flying Tiger
06-28-2001, 10:48 PM
I gotta agree with Murph on one point...Shane Battier is an instant leader.

06-28-2001, 10:51 PM
Our resident Cuban Communist dictator is right on the money on this one- Bibby is pretty overrated, and Williams has more upside if he can get his act together...