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LonestarROB
07-07-2001, 11:05 PM
He's Awesome! Ya'll know who Lance Armstrong is right? He's the cyclist who's won the last 2 Tour de France races. After surviving cancer. Well, he's awesome. And this years race just got underway and he's gonna win this years too. He's 4 seconds off the lead after the first stage.

NotEnuffEyesToSee
07-07-2001, 11:12 PM
3-peat, of course. I think HE is the real sports HERO !!!!!
Even me, I have enough eyes to see that !!!!!!!!!!!!!

LonestarROB
07-07-2001, 11:26 PM
Lance is one of my favorite atheletes(the other being Micheal Johnson. the sprinter.).

Flying Tiger
07-07-2001, 11:27 PM
He's awesome! He's got one of the greatest stories in sports...and it all begins here in the lone star state.

NotEnuffEyesToSee
07-07-2001, 11:35 PM
MJ ? another great choice !!!
but I love Marathon ... and my fav is several marathoners like Martin Fiz (Spanish),
Lee Bong-Ju (Korean) ...

Flying Tiger
07-07-2001, 11:40 PM
Are marathons popular over there? They're not here...or at least not in Greenville.

MFFL
07-08-2001, 12:20 AM
Lance is one of the most amazing athletes ever. His sport is the most grueling imaginable, and Lance came back from cancer to be a champion.

Flying Tiger
07-08-2001, 12:23 AM
2 times and going on 3.

NotEnuffEyesToSee
07-08-2001, 01:02 AM
I can't say Marathon is quite popular here ...
but some people say "Marathon is like Life".
and Marathon is D most important game in the Olympics.
It's what the Olymipics all about.
I'll just try to watch Marathon whenever I can.
and you have 105-year-old Boston Marathon ... you should feel proud of that !!!

Murphy3
07-08-2001, 08:08 AM
we don't have it..it's in boston or something..

NotEnuffEyesToSee
07-08-2001, 09:00 AM
Are you trying to make me laugh ?
I know that, what I meant was your country ...
Don't you represent your country or something ?

MFFL
07-08-2001, 09:32 AM
NotEnuffEyesToSee - There is very little kinship between the states that were in the Confederacy and those that remained in the US (unless it's during the Olympics or a war). I'm from Texas and I rarely like anyone I meet from up north.

The American Civil War has scars that remain in our country. My grandfather heard stories from his grandfather about how badly the North abused the South during Reconstruction. Carpetbaggers stole EVERYTHING and were protected because they were Northerners. Plus, there was no legal basis for the US to force states to remain in the Union. The Southern states freely joined, they should have been allowed to freely leave.

I almost punched out a guy from England once when he called me a "Yank". I finally thought of a great comeback and I started calling him a "Mick". Man, he sure did get mad quick.

NotEnuffEyesToSee
07-08-2001, 09:54 AM
Thanks for your information, MFFL ...
I've been heard about the Civil War, but I didn't know you guys are still
feeling that way. Our country also have that kinda conflict ...
Not only between North and South, but also between West and East ...
I guess it's a new day there, have a good day ...

Fidel
07-08-2001, 01:12 PM
First: I have great respect for what Lance Armstrong did. But a lot of people here in Europe believe that he does drugs, because he never shows up in Europe until just a few weeks before the Tour de France. Which means he doesnīt get controlled for illigal substances here in europe. And we all know that in the US, athletes donīt have to deal with too serious doping controls. Thatīs no offense to you guys. But doping is just a much bigger topic over here, taken way more seriously. Actually a lot of european states have anti-doping laws now, and athletes that are tested positive will go to jail (in France, Italy). The US would never do that.

Second: Even if Lance is clean (which I want to think of him, until proven different), he will have a hard time this year. Because Jan Ullrich is much stronger than last year, and Armstrong appears to be a bit too light. He only weights 66 kg, 4 less than last year at the beginning of the tour. Given the fact that a driver loses up to 3 kg during the tour he would weight only 63 kg at the last time trial. So I believe he could lose some time there against Ullrich. Weīll see, Armstrong could be an even stronger climber than he was last year and make up for that. But watch out for Ullrich this year. It will be close. Iīm especially keen to see the team time trial. Telekom has some strong time trial drivers this year (Ullrich, Vinokurov, Livingston, Klöden, Heppner), while the support cast of USPostal seem to be stronger hill-climbers.

Murphy3
07-09-2001, 10:59 AM
europeans are pissed because they are big wusses that can't play real sports...besides hockey ...well, maybe not all europeans, but the french and the english for sure.
so, present company excluded

Fidel
07-09-2001, 12:22 PM
In Europe the real sport is soccer.
Letīs see: Germany 3 time world champs, Italy 3 time world champs.
England 1 time, France 1 time.
Hmm, youīre right, english and french people canīt play real sports i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

Murphy3
07-09-2001, 12:57 PM
soccer doesn't count
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we had a discussion about that on another chat board. it doesn't count as a real sport
sorry, try again

LonestarROB
07-09-2001, 02:15 PM
Soccer is most definitly a sport. I'd like to see you run 7-10 miles kicking a ball.

Go Burn!!

Flying Tiger
07-09-2001, 04:35 PM
Soccer SUX!!!

Murphy3
07-09-2001, 10:26 PM
that's my point, only idiots would run 7-10 miles kicking a ball

Fidel
07-09-2001, 10:29 PM
Ok itīs pretty simple.
Europeans grow up watching Soccer, Americans grow up watching baseball. Most of the Europeans donīt understand baseball, they know nothing about the history of the sport, backgrounds, players,legends etc. So they find it boring as hell. I know a thing or two about baseball and I love that sport (unfortunately itīs not covered pretty well over here).
Now when most Americans watch a game of Soccer, which like Baseball isnīt always as flashy as Basketball or Football, they know nothing about the sport, itīs backgrounds, traditions, legends etc. They have just no emotional relationhip with soccer. So itīboring for them to watch it. Speaking about Soccer an emotional relationship and a deep understanding of tactics and technique of the game is needed to enjoy it. I think itīs just the same with baseball, and so itīs obvious why most Europeans donīt like Baseball and most Americans donīt like Soccer. But Soccer is a simple game (regarding the rules) so I think it will get more and more fans in Asia and North America.

MFFL
07-09-2001, 11:08 PM
Speaking about Soccer an emotional relationship and a deep understanding of tactics and technique of the game is needed to enjoy it.

So why are all the players such wimps? Every minute or so someone falls to the ground crying in absolute anguish. I've seen 3 year old that were tougher.

LonestarROB
07-09-2001, 11:11 PM
They go to the Malone and Stockton School of Flopping. i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

NotEnuffEyesToSee
07-10-2001, 08:16 AM
I NEVER liked soccer, basketball, baseball ... all other sports when I was a kid.
I just couldn't understand why people liked sports, so I decided to find out ...
and I found something ... that is every sports game has its own value.

Soccer RULES in Asia already,
and I know there're more than 6 million soccer fans in the US.
I guess most of them are women or Hispanic, but the numbers are increasing ...
you know, Hispanic populatin is increasing rapidly,
soon they might outnumber your population ... so Soccer will outsurvive ...

Americans often criticize that soccer players are a cry baby,
yeah, I agree and I'm sick of that, too...
but you gotta understand that, there's a REASON for it ...

Soccer is not a real sport ? How about American football ?
I don't know why you guys keep calling that "FOOT"ball,
that's not FOOTball, I can hardly see players kicking the ball,
always passing, carrying and running ...

Even a basketball or a volleyball player kicks the ball sometimes.
but you don't call those games FOOTball, do ya ?
Soccer is the REAL FOOTball, YOU can see that !!!!! so soccer is a REAL sport.

There're people who keep dissing the Mavs, what do you think of them ?
They don't know anything about the Mavs, so they keep dissing ...
By the Same token, you don't know anything about soccer, so ...
The botton line is "Every sports has its own WORTH".

NotEnuffEyesToSee
07-10-2001, 08:30 AM
<< europeans are pissed because they are big wusses that can't play real sports...
besides hockey ...well, maybe not all europeans, but the french and the english for sure. >>



John Amaechi (Orlando Magic player. He was born in Boston for sure,
But raised in Manchster, England. His accent is English
and he thinks he's English, so he's English.)
And the Dream Team barely beat France in the Olympic Final last year ...

Murphy3
07-10-2001, 11:01 AM
oops, you got me...that's all the proof i need...
sorry the U.S. basketball team forgot to wake up for the olympics last year

Fidel
07-10-2001, 08:33 PM
Actually Soccer players get tackled out of full running with spikes made of pure Iron. That hurts. Soccer players get injured often and serious, especially Goalgetters. To protect themselefes they flop. They do also flop to gain an unfair advantage, just like in any other sport. The refs are supposed to sort it out, and as every basketball fan knows, sometimes they donīt get it done.

djb
07-10-2001, 08:36 PM
Soccer's not much fun to watch imo but it's a lot of fun to play. I played in highschool (I wasn't that great but oh well) and had a lot of fun. Fidel's right though..it's not much fun to get kicked by a guy wearing 1.5&quot; steal studs. I also almost lost an eye when this kid punted the ball right into my face. I remember all the blood, and a lot of fluid leaked into my left eye. Was blind for about a week but I was back to full health a couple months later.

MFFL
07-10-2001, 10:03 PM
I'm sorry but soccer is a game for wimps. Play rugby if you want to be a real man. Anyone who takes a crying flop in rugby would probably be beaten up by his own team.

LonestarROB
07-10-2001, 10:52 PM
Anyway, back to Lance, he's fallin back to 7th place but is only 21 seconds behind the leader. Still has his strongest portion of the race to go.

NotEnuffEyesToSee
07-11-2001, 09:39 AM
Wow, djbacklash, you could have been me, NotEnuffI's2C i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif ...

djb
07-11-2001, 12:58 PM
Ya azns sure love to play soccer and tennis (or in my case, racquetball) i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

Murphy3
07-11-2001, 03:19 PM
No, soccer's not a sport for wimps...it's just a boring game.
No, it's not fun to play, unless you have poor judgment of what's entertaining and what's not.

i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif

Fidel
07-11-2001, 05:03 PM
Hey Rob,
who has the lead right now doesnīt mean anything. OīGrady is a sprinter. He will lose hours in the Alps. The drivers that want to win the tour wouldnīt care if they lost 10 min. now to someone like O`Grady or Kirsipuu. They would even let Jalaber or Jaksche gain some minutes cause they know they will beat them in the mountains. So the only interessting question regarding the tour victory is what time lies between the favorites. These are Armstrong, Ullrich, Beloki, Moreau. Casagranda already had to give up because of injury. The others are pretty close right now.
That will change tomorrow, in the team time-trial. Telekom should be the strongest time trial team this year with Ullrich, Vinokurov and Kl&ouml;den all being very good in time trial. Wesemann, Heppner and B&ouml;lts are also good at it. USPostal has more good hill climbers this year like Heras and Pena. I think Armstrong will lose some time tomorrow.
Ullrich will win the Tour this year.

LonestarROB
07-11-2001, 07:55 PM
Thanks for the info Fidel. i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

I really don't know(or heard of) any of those guys. I'm just hoping Armstrong can pull out another win because he's a hometown guy and an insperation to everyone. I really don't even like cycling or pay any attention to it.

djb
07-12-2001, 12:29 PM
Two Armstrong riders take tumble

BAR-LE-DUC, France -- The Credit Agricole team of overall race leader Stuart O'Grady won the Tour de France fifth stage, a 67-km team time trial from Verdun to Bar-le-Duc on Thursday.

Credit Agricole clocked a time of one hour 21 minutes and 32 seconds finishing ahead of Once and Festina respectively second and third.

Australia's O'Grady retained the overall leader's yellow jersey.

Lance Armstrong's U.S. Postal outfit were fourth, finishing one minute 26 seconds behind Credit Agricole after two of their riders fell in the lashing rain.

Armstrong, the American chasing a hat-trick of victories, lost 55 seconds to the ONCE team of Joseba Beloki in second place and 32 to Christophe Moreau's third-placed Festina in the 67-kilometre run from Verdun to Bar-le-Duc.

Beloki and Moreau are both dangerous rivals for overall victory but Armstrong will be grateful to have limited the damage after his teammates Christian Vandevelde and Roberto Heras were involved in the crash.

Armstrong will also be pleased to have gained 24 seconds on his chief rival for the yellow jersey, Jan Ullrich, whose Telekom team finished down in a disappointing seventh.

Source: Two Armstrong riders take tumble (http://espn.go.com/oly/news/2001/0712/1225218.html)

Flying Tiger
07-13-2001, 11:35 AM
Hmmm...I didn't know they raced in teams.

LonestarROB
07-13-2001, 02:12 PM
Lance is something like 1:50 seconds behind now because of his teams mates falling. i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif

Murphy3
07-13-2001, 02:20 PM
i can't say i'm a fan of cycling, but i do wish armstrong nothing but the best. he'll pick up some time when they head to the mountain stages

Fidel
07-13-2001, 08:15 PM
Telwkom had some bad luck too. They lost 3 of their 9 riders due to technical problems with their bikes. So thzey had to go for the last 10 km with just 6 riders, which was a clear disadvantage. My prediction was wrong anyways, but they could have matched or slightly beaten the time of USPostal. But there were some teams this year (different from last years tour) that seemed to have concentrated pretty strongly on the team time trial. These were Credit Acricol, Festina and Once. A real surprise was Kelme, they are normaly known for strong performance in the mountains. For all you Armstrong fans: thereīs still no need to worry. Beloki and Moureau (the 2 strongest drivers who gained some time yesterday) wonīt be strong enough overall to threaten Armstrong or Ullrich. The winner will be one of those two. Decision time is monday (most difficult mountain stage this year) and thursday (single mountain time trial).
I strongly hope Ullrich wins it this year, but if itīs Armstrong again thatīs ok with me too.

LonestarROB
07-13-2001, 08:53 PM
Aren't the later stages Armstrongs best/strongest stages? If I remember correctly, he's always falls behind the first few days and then comes back in the moutain stages. I guess training in the Texas hill country is a big plus. i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

Fidel
07-13-2001, 09:19 PM
Armstrong is at his best right from the beginning. He just doesnīt care if he falls back in the first stages, because these stages are flat. There are often groups of drivers that reach the end of the stage before the favorites. But those groups only have a chance to gain minutes if the field doesnīt go full speed. If one of the favorites (Armstrong, Ullrich etc.) was in one of those groups the field (the other teams) would go full speed and the group wouldnīt have a chance. If Armstrong would attack now some of Ullrichs or Belokis helpers would catch him back.
In the mountains itīs different. Only a few drivers in each team to climb mountains well. So if Armstrong or Ullrich attack there, the other teams have less options (drivers) to counter the attack. The last option is the strongest driver of the team itsself. So thatīs what you usually see at the last mountain of a real mountain stage (Hore or premiere category). The helpers are tired then and just not good enough to follow the favorites any more. So you usually have a group of 5-10 drivers fighting for overall time and (sometimes) for the stage win (if they didnīt let someone go earlier on). And thatīs the moment were someone like Armstrong or Ullrich attacks, cause his direct rivel must counter, if he can. If not he will lose time.
So regarding your question: Armstrong is in top shape allready. He just doesnīt care right now. He only cares for Beloki, Botero, Ullrich and Moreau. He will wait to attack these until Monday at least. But perhaps Ullrich will attack &aacute;nd gain time (I hope so). Anyways they will battle it out man to man. Armstrong has a tactical advantage though because he has Heras who is a very good mountain climber. He could very well be in that group of the 5 best, and if he attacks Ullrich must react while Armstrong can watch and save energy. I just hope Livingston will do the same for Ullrich.
And lastly: Ullrich is known for getting stronger from stage to stage, cause he often isnīt in good shape at the beginning of the tour.

LonestarROB
07-13-2001, 11:21 PM
Damn, you sure do know your cycling. All I know about cycling is Lance Armstrong. lol i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif

MFFL
07-13-2001, 11:30 PM
fidel - you made me feel like I was in a Peanuts special. You know, the adults talk and all the kids hear is &quot;waa, waa, wawaa&quot;. LOL i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif

Flying Tiger
07-13-2001, 11:33 PM
Yeah...that's like me whenever dj starts talking computers.

Fidel
07-15-2001, 12:13 PM
Hehe, thanks guys,
I guess thatīs a European thing. To be interested in cycling. As you know it has a really long tradition over here. The first time you guys might have noticed the Tour de France was when Greg LeMond won it 3 times. He was great, I really liked him.
Todays stage was a pretty good example of what i mentioned. There was a group of 15 drivers that gained 35 min. to the field (the largest margin ever in the history of the Tour). OīGrady has now 35 min. advantage to Armstrong/ Ullrich/ Beloki. Simon (a french driver) has 30 min. Still that wonīt be enough for them in the mountains. Maybe OīGrady can hold on to the lead for one or two stages in the mountains, but after all is said and done he will have lost hours. Simon could be a little better, but I donīt think heīs a real threat, he was 58th last year, and lost over 2 hours overall.

Flying Tiger
07-21-2001, 12:19 AM
Uh...here's the other thread Fidel.