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Old 07-24-2019, 05:20 AM   #41
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Kemba Walker is only 2 years older than Wright. Calling Kemba “aging” when comparing the two is not a relevant point.
It is relevant because we would have been all in on a Luka/KP/Kemba core for at least 4 years which isn't bad but not necessarily a championship caliber core considering Luka and KP are a few years away from reaching their peaks. We would have been virtually playing at our ceiling as a 6-8 seed over those 4 years.

When factoring in the contracts, Wright's give us more flexibility and Wright at 27 still has some upside playing next to a player that should make him a hell of a lot better. I personally didn't see Luka making Kemba any better and Kemba at 29 probably isn't going to change his game for anyone.
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Should've nabbed assets if not able to sign difference makers. Other teams were able to trade for 1st round picks with useable players attached. As others have said, you can't allow 15m to just disappear with nothing to show for it.

Only thing preventing a D is no egregious contracts were handed out and they are likely moveable in future trades.
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Old 07-24-2019, 10:24 AM   #43
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Should've nabbed assets if not able to sign difference makers. Other teams were able to trade for 1st round picks with useable players attached. As others have said, you can't allow 15m to just disappear with nothing to show for it.

Only thing preventing a D is no egregious contracts were handed out and they are likely moveable in future trades.
If we’d have used every dollar of cap, we’d have been in the tax and stuck there

That’s not a great place to be for a team that may not be 8th seed

Also we did nab assets. Players on very friendly contracts with a diverse range of contract sizes. Perfect for trading.
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If we’d have used every dollar of cap, we’d have been in the tax and stuck there

That’s not a great place to be for a team that may not be 8th seed

Also we did nab assets. Players on very friendly contracts with a diverse range of contract sizes. Perfect for trading.
In retrospect, some deals like the Iguodala deal (1yr expiring - 17M) would have been good for us though. We would have gotten a future first and a decent player for this year that wouldn't have hurt our flexibility.

But it's tough to know what happens behind the scenes and if I remember correctly, when the Iggy deal happened we were still rumored to be working on a deal with Miami for Olynyk / Derrick Jones (a deal which I still can't understand btw, I don't like Olynyk too much and he has a terrible contract)

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Old 07-24-2019, 04:51 PM   #45
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In retrospect, some deals like the Iguodala deal (1yr expiring - 17M) would have been good for us though. We would have gotten a future first and a decent player for this year that wouldn't have hurt our flexibility.

But it's tough to know what happens behind the scenes and if I remember correctly, when the Iggy deal happened we were still rumored to be working on a deal with Miami for Olynyk / Derrick Jones (a deal which I still can't understand btw, I don't like Olynyk too much and he has a terrible contract)
I’m not sure why either side of that wants Iggy here.

Don’t think he makes us appreciably better and I don’t think he wants to be in Dallas
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It is relevant because we would have been all in on a Luka/KP/Kemba core for at least 4 years which isn't bad but not necessarily a championship caliber core considering Luka and KP are a few years away from reaching their peaks. We would have been virtually playing at our ceiling as a 6-8 seed over those 4 years.

When factoring in the contracts, Wright's give us more flexibility and Wright at 27 still has some upside playing next to a player that should make him a hell of a lot better. I personally didn't see Luka making Kemba any better and Kemba at 29 probably isn't going to change his game for anyone.
Kemba would always be tradable, and playing as a 6-8 seed is the kind of experience Luka and KP need. If they developed at all over those years, the ceiling for that team would be much higher. Kemba doesn’t need to change his game, and Luka doesn’t need to make him better. He’s already really good. Wright on the other hand, we don’t know, yet.
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If we’d have used every dollar of cap, we’d have been in the tax and stuck there

That’s not a great place to be for a team that may not be 8th seed

Also we did nab assets. Players on very friendly contracts with a diverse range of contract sizes. Perfect for trading.
Cuban was obviously not concerned about the tax, since Kemba was their primary target.
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I’m not sure why either side of that wants Iggy here.

Don’t think he makes us appreciably better and I don’t think he wants to be in Dallas
Yeah, for me almost all of the value on that trade was on the pick. Worst case scenario is that we would be where Memphis is now: trying to trade him to a contender for anything we could get or you keep him for one year / buy him out (whichever the team thinks is better). In either case you got a first round pick out of it.

In any case, not too heartbroken about that one, there were plenty of other teams that could have been part of it and didn't either. I was mentioning it more as an example of things that we could have done with our cap for this year to get assets without hurting our flexibility going forward.

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Kemba would always be tradable, and playing as a 6-8 seed is the kind of experience Luka and KP need. If they developed at all over those years, the ceiling for that team would be much higher. Kemba doesn’t need to change his game, and Luka doesn’t need to make him better. He’s already really good. Wright on the other hand, we don’t know, yet.
I shouldn't have injected Kemba into the conversation because he was the guy the Mavs supposedly wanted the most.
He was actually part of the "unachievable" group though.

I wouldn't have been upset if we would have signed Kemba by any means, but considering we didn't have any chance, I think the Mavs made out pretty well.

Skin mentioned last week that Mavs' FO wanted to sign Seth, Green and Wright after they struck out on Kemba. They got two out of the three and of those three I'm glad they signed the two they did.

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I shouldn't have injected Kemba into the conversation because he was the guy the Mavs supposedly wanted the most.
He was actually part of the "unachievable" group though.

I wouldn't have been upset if we would have signed Kemba by any means, but considering we didn't have any chance, I think the Mavs made out pretty well.

Skin mentioned last week that Mavs' FO wanted to sign Seth, Green and Wright after they struck out on Kemba. They got two out of the three and of those three I'm glad they signed the two they did.
I think if Horford doesn't bolt Boston we stand a good shot at signing Kemba. This was a strange year in which most big business was seemingly done before FA even began. Other teams were agreeing to terms with other teams players under contract and we were having dinner with KP. Even if that was in part a reaction to foreknowledge of Kemba, Brogdon, etc. being done deals, it contributed to the perception of unpreparedness. We may never know how interested in Brogdon they ever were and whether that trade blindsided MBT. It would behoove both Indy and Milwaukee to keep that hush hush. Seems like if they really wanted to prioritize Brogdon it would've been immediate offer sheet or back channels communication with his agent and Mil. so maybe we didn't have interest at his price point or injuries factored in.

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One thing that I like about this offseason is that it still leaves some options open. Courtney Lee has an expiring contract at $12,759,670. Tim Hardaway Jr may not be as easy to move though as he has a player option in 2020-21 for $18,975,000. If Hardaway Jr can find a way to become a better fit with this team, then it shouldn't be so hard to move him. *fingers crossed*

If not, well, he's at least doing something right.
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Either way, well played by Pritchard but especially Jon Horst. He's proving to be quite the asset. The moves the made in advance gave them their bluff, enough to nab a nice return for a guy they were never going to match on.
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One thing that I like about this offseason is that it still leaves some options open. Courtney Lee has an expiring contract at $12,759,670. Tim Hardaway Jr may not be as easy to move though as he has a player option in 2020-21 for $18,975,000. If Hardaway Jr can find a way to become a better fit with this team, then it shouldn't be so hard to move him. *fingers crossed*

If not, well, he's at least doing something right.
THJ is the new Barnes.

If we can get him looking great, he will be tradable.

People want to move on, but fastest way to get rid of him is to make him look like a complementary piece. If he sucks, we get him for two years. If not, we can trade him and let Lee expire for some savings or even keep him with full bird rights if he’s that good. Literally no reason to bench him and make him inactive.
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I think if Horford doesn't bolt Boston we stand a good shot at signing Kemba. This was a strange year in which most big business was seemingly done before FA even began. Other teams were agreeing to terms with other teams players under contract and we were having dinner with KP. Even if that was in part a reaction to foreknowledge of Kemba, Brogdon, etc. being done deals, it contributed to the perception of unpreparedness. We may never know how interested in Brogdon they ever were and whether that trade blindsided MBT. It would behoove both Indy and Milwaukee to keep that hush hush. Seems like if they really wanted to prioritize Brogdon it would've been immediate offer sheet or back channels communication with his agent and Mil. so maybe we didn't have interest at his price point or injuries factored in.
Other teams were illegally making deals before the window opened... most likely.
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THJ is the new Barnes.

If we can get him looking great, he will be tradable.

People want to move on, but fastest way to get rid of him is to make him look like a complementary piece. If he sucks, we get him for two years. If not, we can trade him and let Lee expire for some savings or even keep him with full bird rights if he’s that good. Literally no reason to bench him and make him inactive.
I fully agree. Also in some highlight videos both Lee and Hardaway Jr have made some nice passes to Porzingis. I'm counting on seeing more of that if they're in the game with him.
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It is relevant because we would have been all in on a Luka/KP/Kemba core for at least 4 years which isn't bad but not necessarily a championship caliber core considering Luka and KP are a few years away from reaching their peaks. We would have been virtually playing at our ceiling as a 6-8 seed over those 4 years.

When factoring in the contracts, Wright's give us more flexibility and Wright at 27 still has some upside playing next to a player that should make him a hell of a lot better. I personally didn't see Luka making Kemba any better and Kemba at 29 probably isn't going to change his game for anyone.
Well considering we’ve been tanking for 3 straight seasons nearly, scoffing at reaching the 6 seed the next 4 years seems a little ridiculous. We have to start somewhere. We aren’t going to go 10 seed to 4 seed in one season.
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Well considering we’ve been tanking for 3 straight seasons nearly, scoffing at reaching the 6 seed the next 4 years seems a little ridiculous. We have to start somewhere. We aren’t going to go 10 seed to 4 seed in one season.
Kinda my point.
If your satisfied with a 6 seed ceiling then I understand your point....I'm not.

Besides, Kemba shouldn't be in the conversation...he wasn't coming here anymore than Kawhi was.
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Kinda my point.
If your satisfied with a 6 seed ceiling then I understand your point....I'm not.

Besides, Kemba shouldn't be in the conversation...he wasn't coming here anymore than Kawhi was.
We were very much in with Kemba, along with CHA and BOS. The latter became the favorite once Horford opted out. It's my opinion he likely comes here if Boston didn't open up so much space and the stars aligned there for him. No love lost...
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Hard to say with confidence whether or not we were actually even interested

NBA is about subterfuge. Someone leaked that we were interested. No one heard from Kemba that he wanted Dallas. Whether we were caught unaware about the leak or whether we planted the info to throw off other teams is the question.

I’m not confident saying we were never getting Kemba (as low the odds) and I’m not confident saying we were front runners either.
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Can we not all agree that, given how things played out in Boston, there's nothing our front office could have done differently to get Kemba?
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