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Default 10-10-2008, 03:33 PM

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wiki has it, beat the mavs.com to it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawne_Williams

our official website is a joke.

I'd still like to keep Reyshawn around. He has shown improvement in-house and overseas the past full year, summer to summer.
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Jet Terry is one of the best BACKUP point guards in the league!
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I wish we'd get a back-up pg.
I think we're going with Terry, then Barea. With Wright and Green emerging, Terry will get a lot of time at the point behind Kidd. Kidd should see about 32-34 there. Terry about 16 there, and maybe 5-10 at the 2 guard dependent on matchups. The way Wright's playing I'd like to see him up towards 28-30 a night.
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Default 10-10-2008, 03:38 PM

An interesting note aboiut this; we gave up our lone true expiring contract in this deal, but Williams is an expiring contract as well, except he has a team option for next season, so he's an expiring contract now and an expring contract next season if the Mavs want it. So even if he doesn't work out, he'll have trade value equal to or great than the EJones contract next season.


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Default 10-10-2008, 03:38 PM

How bout this for a young lineup
Diop/Bass
Bass/Reyshawn
Williams/Singleton
Green
JJ

And We are under the cap in 2010.

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Default 10-10-2008, 03:38 PM

Most teams that eddie jones leaves, go on to win a championship the next year.




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THis is Hollinger's Scouting report, says he's young (22) and could be a 20 point scorer in a couple years, great athlete!!!
I can dig that... but the thing is, to be a 20 point scorer he's gonna need minutes...around 30. I'm more concerned with what he's gonna do with the 10 or 15 minutes he's gonna get this year.

Hope he's not a "volume shooter" (no shimmy).


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our official website is a joke.

I'd still like to keep Reyshawn around. He has shown improvement in-house and overseas the past full year, summer to summer.
Yea, tell me about the site, it's strange that electronic guru like Cuban owns such a pathetic site.
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Most teams that eddie jones leaves, go on to win a championship the next year.
Wow, all but Memphis.
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Yea, tell me about the site, it's strange that electronic guru like Cuban owns such a pathetic site.

Man... you said it... even the design is piss-poor... It's very 2002.

Why can't we have a site similar to, or atleast as inventive and modern looking as this one?

http://www.nba.com/thunder


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What are you talking about? We already have our future All-Star JJB!
I reiterate...
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Default 10-10-2008, 04:01 PM

I got to sleep then wake up to such wonderful news. I wonder if Williams will get any playing time tonight?


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How bout this for a young lineup
Diop/Bass
Bass/Reyshawn
Williams/Singleton
Green
JJ

And We are under the cap in 2010.

And we have the worst team in the league in 2010. Brilliant.


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What are you talking about? We already have our future All-Star JJB!
Yes!




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Is there any confirmation that EJ was in fact involved in this trade?
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There's still one slot open for ReTerry or Rhodes, unless McLeod makes it.
Won't be McLeod I can assure you.
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Default 10-10-2008, 04:49 PM

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Is there any confirmation that EJ was in fact involved in this trade?
http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archi...ana-maybe.html

http://www.hoopsworld.com/TheWireStory.asp?id=12725

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...RTS04/81010033


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Default 10-10-2008, 05:34 PM

A few minor details ....

1. To me, this signals the 15th man will probably be RTerry. They lose his rights if they don't put him on the roster, so unless someone else glitters he will have the inside track I suspect.

2. The trade was Williams - for - two 2nds

For rules purposes, the Mavs had to send Jones to Indy to make such a trade. When they get him, Indy doesn't need him and will waive him, and the money is being sent to pay his buyout.

The Mavs actually save a few dollars, because Jones' buyout cost is NOT taxable to them. But if they had waived him off the Mav roster, they would have paid tax on every dollar he got.

3. Yes, Williams is also currently an expiring deal (I think), with an unexercised team option for next year. But his trade-expiring situation is different than Jones' was.

The deadline for exercising the option is the end of TC, not the end of the season. I imagine he's very likely to have this year plus one more on his contract by the time the season starts, and well before they get a clear read on how well he'll do here.
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Default 10-10-2008, 05:52 PM

GREAT MOVE

this is a great move with Kidd as our PG.

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Default 10-10-2008, 06:17 PM

Oh, Hell Yes... First the Gerald Greene signing and now we're picking up Shawne Williams? I'm starting to get pretty darned, damned excited about the end of our bench...

As many of y'all know, the Pacers are my second favorite team, so I consequently watch a lot of their games and so I've gotten to watch quite a bit of Williams over the last two seasons, and I'd say that he's a little more polished on the court than a lot of folks probably think. If Stickman Part II can stay healthy stay off the ganja, quit hanging around with murderers, and tighten up his rebounding game on the court, the young fella might end up playing a whole lot of minutes for us very, very soon.

I say that because he's really got a beautiful, fundamentally sound jump-shot with range that goes well out to three-point territory, he's a smart, good passer who exhibits much more on-court awareness than your average 22 year old NBAer, and whenever he's been healthy and the Pacers gave him PT the skinny swing-forward has proven capable of blocking shots in Kirilenko-style bunches, and he's quick and long enough to minimize the defensive problems that his slight build accords him as he can be a real terror jumping around in the passing lanes. This is a good, good, cheap pick-up...


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Oh, Hell Yes... First the Gerald Greene signing and now we're picking up Shawne Williams? I'm starting to get pretty darned, damned excited about the end of our bench...

As many of y'all know, the Pacers are my second favorite team, so I consequently watch a lot of their games and so I've gotten to watch quite a bit of Williams over the last two seasons, and I'd say that he's a little more polished on the court than a lot of folks probably think. If Stickman Part II can stay healthy stay off the ganja, quit hanging around with murderers, and tighten up his rebounding game on the court, the young fella might end up playing a whole lot of minutes for us very, very soon.

I say that because he's really got a beautiful, fundamentally sound jump-shot with range that goes well out to three-point territory, he's a smart, good passer who exhibits much more on-court awareness than your average 22 year old NBAer, and whenever he's been healthy and the Pacers gave him PT the skinny swing-forward has proven capable of blocking shots in Kirilenko-style bunches, and he's quick and long enough to minimize the defensive problems that his slight build accords him as he can be a real terror jumping around in the passing lanes. This is a good, good, cheap pick-up...


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I also saw Shawne play a couple of times last season and he looked very solid, I used to wonder who he was though because he's not very popular.


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I'm always wiery about guys the Mavs trade for. Especially when they give up guys like Eddie Jones.
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I'm always wiery about guys the Mavs trade for. Especially when they give up guys like Eddie Jones.
Trust me Dtownsfinest Ive seen him play and this guys is very solid, he is also a first round pick btw. The pacers traded him because of his off court issues not because of his game. And I think he'll do better here in Dallas off the court just because its a better environment and a chance to be part of something special


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Default 10-10-2008, 07:08 PM

Donnie is talking on ESPN radio now he said this deal has been in the works for a few weeks.


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Eddie wanted to retire because he knows he can't play anymore. He'll likely be back as a player dev coach or something. since he wants to get into coaching.
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He's nothing special yet, but no one can deny he's better than Eddie Jones on your bench. Good to hear those draft picks were only second rounders, I was worried for a minute.

Here's hoping Green, Williams, and especially Howard can take advantage of Kidd's skills this season. It's a long shot... if Green and Williams play like they have something to prove (and they do) and if all three can make the most of the 'leader' we traded for then this team could actually be a threat.

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Default 10-10-2008, 07:38 PM

This move is neat.. gives us a sigh of relief and we probably won't see a lot of George if at all.

Now if only we can trade Josh for a better SG... Come on Donnie!!!


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Default 10-10-2008, 07:46 PM

6'9" Small Forward. Hmm...

With Howard/Stack/George/Bass/Singleton/Wright/Green and possibly Rhodes playing the SF, its hard to see where he fits.

Then again he's a promising prospect with an extremely friendly contract (1year guaranteed, 2nd year team option (for early bird), and third year qualifying offer (for full bird rights) and....he helps us get rid of Jones.

Solid deal, but I doubt it will have much impact on the team this year.
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Trust me Dtownsfinest Ive seen him play and this guys is very solid, he is also a first round pick btw. The pacers traded him because of his off court issues not because of his game. And I think he'll do better here in Dallas off the court just because its a better environment and a chance to be part of something special
I've never seen him play but i'm taking your word for it. I actually believe what you're saying. My worry isn't about his play on the court though. It seems he has problems off the court that are keeping him from hitting his potential. Maybe a change of scenery is for the better. Marquis was great here and all of a sudden he goes to Indiana and he's Dennis Rodman. But yea for the Pacers to give up on a 21 year old with potential that sort of gives me an idea that his problem is off the court which sort of gives me a fear.

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He's nothing special yet, but no one can deny he's better than Eddie Jones on your bench. Good to hear those draft picks were only second rounders, I was worried for a minute.
I don't think we can trade a 1st rounder can we? Since the Nets pick hasn't been determined? Not sure how that works but I know you can't trade consecutive picks. And I believe this pick is lottery protected so I don't think we can trade our #1 yet.
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6'9" Small Forward. Hmm...

With Howard/Stack/George/Bass/Singleton/Wright/Green and possibly Rhodes playing the SF, its hard to see where he fits.

Then again he's a promising prospect with an extremely friendly contract (1year guaranteed, 2nd year team option (for early bird), and third year qualifying offer (for full bird rights) and....he helps us get rid of Jones.

Solid deal, but I doubt it will have much impact on the team this year.
Who cares where he fits? Let him, Green, Singleton, and Wright battle it out for PT! My guess is that Howard and AW cover most of SG if we move Bass to more SF which I think we have to if we play Diop and Damp all game.
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6'9" Small Forward. Hmm...

With Howard/Stack/George/Bass/Singleton/Wright/Green and possibly Rhodes playing the SF, its hard to see where he fits.

Then again he's a promising prospect with an extremely friendly contract (1year guaranteed, 2nd year team option (for early bird), and third year qualifying offer (for full bird rights) and....he helps us get rid of Jones.

Solid deal, but I doubt it will have much impact on the team this year.
Yea I can't speak much on him but if he gets a number of DNP's this year I won't be upset or surprised. I think expecting anything from Gerald Green or Williams is a bit far fetched. I expect to see a couple of DNP and garbage minutes from them.
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Small trade????? This is HUGE, at least hugely gratifying, we finally got rid of that dead wood that is Eddie Jones and we got a talented/ athletic young wing!!!!!! 17th pick first round? Another guy that has the potential to move Howard to the 2 spot. Our depth is getting better all the time.

Damp/Diop/Bass
Dirk/Bass/Williams/George
Howard/Bass/Williams/Stack/George
Wright/Jet/Stack/Green
Kidd/Jet/Barea

You know the best part of that lineup? We don't have to play Devean George At all!!!
Hey! You are leaving Singleton off. Singleton is a very solid player and very athletic. I think he has pused ReyShawn Terry down the pecking order. I think that Singleton will get alot of time if they play him right.
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Who cares where he fits? Let him, Green, Singleton, and Wright battle it out for PT! My guess is that Howard and AW cover most of SG if we move Bass to more SF which I think we have to if we play Diop and Damp all game.
I think you have to be careful because its easy to fall in love with small ball. Especially when the majority of your depth is at the forward spot. I'm fine as long as Diop and Damp get all the minutes at the 5 but that's a unrealistic expectation since they always get in foul trouble early. All we can do is hope our perimeter defense is better than it was last time we had both Diop and Damp. The West has some of the fastest pg's in the league who attack the basket. I don't expect Kidd to keep up with them.
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Marquis was great here and all of a sudden he goes to Indiana and he's Dennis Rodman.
Marquis has become that good?


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Marquis has become that good?
Well he's expected to have a bigger role on his team now that he is finally healthy, right now Quis has 13 points and 3 assists and 2 steals. The Pacers are in a tight game with the Bulls right now


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right now Quis has 13 points and 3 assists and 2 steals
That's downright Rodman like.


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That's downright Rodman like.
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Default 10-10-2008, 08:27 PM

Rodman would have 13rebounds, 3points and two technicals...

Anyway, Im far from complaining about the trade. Its a very solid trade. If he doesnt pan out we let him expire. If he turns out like the next Kenyon Martin/Richard Jefferson or better then we can get full bird rights.

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I like the trade..........

--BUT--

During this years draft Donnie said the cost of moving up in the draft was too high to get a guy like Chalmers or Chris Douglas-Roberts but then here he goes and puts up two 2nd rounders and cash for Shawne Williams.......
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Default 10-10-2008, 08:44 PM

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6'9" Small Forward. Hmm...

With Howard/Stack/George/Bass/Singleton/Wright/Green and possibly Rhodes playing the SF, its hard to see where he fits.

Solid deal, but I doubt it will have much impact on the team this year.
I think you are making a very solid point here, as the odds are stacked against Shawne making an immediate impact with this veteran team. But that said, I'd still think that the compellingly intriguing thing about this deal is that if you look at the skill-sets of our swollen platoon of swing-men, Shawne Williams probably has the best pure jump-shot in the bunch, and he is also almost certainly the best passer.

Add that to the fact that he is a very polished offensive player (much, much more polished than your average 22 year old), and that his absurd length and very good mobility brings a little bit of a poor man's Kirilenko/T. Prince impact to his defensive game, and I'd say that he has the potential to force the coaching staff to play him for many, many more minutes than most folks would guess today.

Of course, he doesn't drive hard to the basket, he is completely in love with his jump-shot, and his slight frame puts him at a significant defensive disadvantage if he has to man up and play D at the four, but I still think that if he can stay healthy and out of trouble, and perhaps most importantly, if he can rebound at a high per minute rate at the SF spot, the coaching staff won't be able to keep him off the court, regardless of how many talented players we boast at his position. Playing at his best, he's too skilled, too tall, and I see him developing into much too smooth an offensive cog in the machine to keep off the court...



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