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Old 08-31-2020, 01:15 PM   #1081
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One of the best analyses of the game 4s and Luka I've seen.
Love his breakdowns. Big fan of all of his videos. And while I love his breakdowns I actually really like his delivery. His voice is... pleasing? He enunciates the right things and just overall has the best quality breakdowns for me personally.
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All NBA first team 2020

LeBron James F Los Angeles Lakers .493 25.3 7.8 10.2 0.5
James Harden G Houston Rockets .444 34.3 6.6 7.5 0.9
Anthony Davis F Los Angeles Lakers .503 26.1 9.3 3.2 2.3
Giannis Antetokounmpo F Milwaukee Bucks .553 29.5 13.6 5.6 1.0
Luka Doncic G Dallas Mavericks .463 28.8 9.4 8.8 0.2
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All NBA first team 2020

LeBron James F Los Angeles Lakers .493 25.3 7.8 10.2 0.5
James Harden G Houston Rockets .444 34.3 6.6 7.5 0.9
Anthony Davis F Los Angeles Lakers .503 26.1 9.3 3.2 2.3
Giannis Antetokounmpo F Milwaukee Bucks .553 29.5 13.6 5.6 1.0
Luka Doncic G Dallas Mavericks .463 28.8 9.4 8.8 0.2
No Clippers lol.

Well-deserved Luka.
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All NBA first team 2020

LeBron James F Los Angeles Lakers .493 25.3 7.8 10.2 0.5
James Harden G Houston Rockets .444 34.3 6.6 7.5 0.9
Anthony Davis F Los Angeles Lakers .503 26.1 9.3 3.2 2.3
Giannis Antetokounmpo F Milwaukee Bucks .553 29.5 13.6 5.6 1.0
Luka Doncic G Dallas Mavericks .463 28.8 9.4 8.8 0.2



Hell yeah!!!! Luka!!!!
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1st team all-nba in only his second year. I'm trying to think of all the players in NBA history who've done that.

I know Duncan and Bird were 1st team as rookies. I think Jerry West and Oscar Robertson were as well. Wilt and Wes Unseld were MVP as rookies. I'm pretty sure Kareem was first team by his sophomore season. I don't know the others off the top of my head, but I know it's a short, short list. Among players who were NOT first team all-nba in their sophomore seasons- Jordan, Lebron, Magic, Shaq, Kobe, Durant, Hakeem, and pretty much anyone else you can think of.
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^^ Just checked on Bill Russell. Wasn't all-nba first team until year 3. (Granted, it's harder for centers because there's only one spot, but still.)
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Very happy the NBA recognized Luka already

I really thought Leonard would sneak into the first team and drop Luka to second team
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1st team all-nba in only his second year. I'm trying to think of all the players in NBA history who've done that.

I know Duncan and Bird were 1st team as rookies. I think Jerry West and Oscar Robertson were as well. Wilt and Wes Unseld were MVP as rookies. I'm pretty sure Kareem was first team by his sophomore season. I don't know the others off the top of my head, but I know it's a short, short list. Among players who were NOT first team all-nba in their sophomore seasons- Jordan, Lebron, Magic, Shaq, Kobe, Durant, Hakeem, and pretty much anyone else you can think of.
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Players who’ve made All-NBA First Team at age 21 or younger in NBA history...

Rick Barry
Tim Duncan
LeBron James
Kevin Durant
Luka Doncic
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1st team all-nba in only his second year. I'm trying to think of all the players in NBA history who've done that.

I know Duncan and Bird were 1st team as rookies. I think Jerry West and Oscar Robertson were as well. Wilt and Wes Unseld were MVP as rookies. I'm pretty sure Kareem was first team by his sophomore season. I don't know the others off the top of my head, but I know it's a short, short list. Among players who were NOT first team all-nba in their sophomore seasons- Jordan, Lebron, Magic, Shaq, Kobe, Durant, Hakeem, and pretty much anyone else you can think of.
Wow! Thanks for posting this. Great to put it in context. Congrats Luka. Rarefied air for our wunderkind.

Biggest surprise to me is Magic not being all-nba by second season! I’m guessing Moses or Kareem, Bird, Dr.J, Gervin are locks. Who is the 5th guy? Alex English? Seems like it would have to be another guard, can’t think of any. Pistol Pete, Tiny, Barry and Westphal were all past prime.
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Wow! Thanks for posting this. Great to put it in context. Congrats Luka. Rarefied air for our wunderkind.

Biggest surprise to me is Magic not being all-nba by second season! I’m guessing Moses or Kareem, Bird, Dr.J, Gervin are locks. Who is the 5th guy? Alex English? Seems like it would have to be another guard, can’t think of any. Pistol Pete, Tiny, Barry and Westphal were all past prime.
It was Dennis Johnson. Phoenix version.

And yeah, I was kind of shocked to find out that Magic didn't make it by year two, considering he was Finals MVP as a 20 year old rookie.
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Luka 4th in MVP voting behind Lebron, Harden, and Giannis. I'm pretty happy with that.
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F Harden. He should potentially be ahead of everyone besides Giannis.
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I had Luka third behind Giannis and Lebron, but that's still not too shabby for a 21 year old sophomore.
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Yeah, I'm not trying to call anyone out, because we're fans - I know how it is.

But, if your favorite player finishes 4th in MVP voting and makes 1st team all NBA at age 21, in his second year, and you're upset about that...you might want to take a step back chew some perspective gummies.
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Yeah, I'm not trying to call anyone out, because we're fans - I know how it is.

But, if your favorite player finishes 4th in MVP voting and makes 1st team all NBA at age 21, in his second year, and you're upset about that...you might want to take a step back chew some perspective gummies.
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Players who’ve made All-NBA First Team at age 21 or younger in NBA history...

Rick Barry
Tim Duncan
LeBron James
Kevin Durant
Luka Doncic
Players Season Age (at end of regular season)
LeBron James 2004-05 21 years, 110 days
Max Zaslofsky 1946-47 21 years, 114 days
Luka Doncic 2019-20 21 years, 168 days
Kevin Durant 2009-10 21 years, 197 days
Tim Duncan 1998-99 21 years, 359 days
Rick Barry 1965-66 21 years, 359 days

If the 2019-20 season would have ended as per schedule on April 15th, Doncic, at 21 years and 47 days, would have been the youngest ever to receive an All-NBA First Team selection
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Top 5 most sold NBA jerseys from July 30-September 28.

1. LeBron James
2. Luka Doncic
3. Anthony Davis
4. Jayson Tatum
5. Giannis Antetokounmpo
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Found this wonderful piece on Luka from way before the draft. Special cameo from one Kristaps Porzingis.

Also, apparently his nickname in Europe was "Wonderboy." I'm kinda glad that one didn't stick.

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Luka Doncic Is No Darko Milicic
"Wonder Boy" is heading to the NBA, and he's out to change how we think about European imports.

by Mina Kimes
04/09/18

For a while, the story of Luka Doncic seemed like a myth: the tale of a blond basketball demigod with supernatural mental and physical powers, a 6-foot-8 Slovenian teenager whose name was whispered only in the nerdiest corners of the NBA internet. While his highlights occasionally trickled across the Atlantic, circulating among draft obsessives like contraband, they never made waves beyond those circles. Outside of Europe, Doncic (pronounced dawn-chich) was still an abstraction, a set of inscrutable numbers paired with a name. Then in September, he came face-to-face with Kristaps Porzingis -- and his fabled existence suddenly felt real.

Last year national teams across Europe met at EuroBasket, a tournament that draws NBA veterans back to their home countries. Doncic, then 18 years old, joined Slovenia's team, which was led by Miami Heat guard Goran Dragic. When Slovenia played Latvia in the quarterfinals, Doncic and Porzingis went shot for shot. Then, halfway through the fourth quarter, the two crossed paths -- and for a moment, time stopped. Doncic dribbled between his legs, sizing up the towering Knicks center like a mathematician staring at a problem scrawled on a blackboard. Porzingis extended one rubbery arm. After a seemingly interminable pause, Doncic, known locally as Wonder Boy, dashed past the future All-Star and made a one-handed layup, glancing back at Porzingis as he jogged away.

The arena exploded. "I wanted to kill him," Porzingis says with a laugh, adding that he was "never that consistent" at Doncic's age. "I don't know any other European kid that plays at such a high level."

In truth, Doncic isn't just outplaying the other teenagers in Europe -- he's also outplaying most, if not all, of the adults. He signed with Real Madrid at age 13 and made his EuroLeague debut at 16. Now, at 19, he is averaging 22 points, 7.6 rebounds and 7 assists per 36 minutes (through April 5), leading the second-best league in the world in player efficiency. Every month, throngs of scouts trek to Spain, hoping to glean new pieces of data that will help them calculate whether Doncic's worth matches his hype. "Our reports are that he's the kind of guy who's very rare," one NBA executive says.

On June 21, Adam Silver will likely announce that Doncic has been selected near the top of the draft. If, as expected, Wonder Boy lands in the top three, he'll become the first European player to do so since Andrea Bargnani was picked first in 2006. (Porzingis, who was famously booed at his draft, went fourth in 2015.) When this happens, some fans will inevitably protest; they'll bring up Bargnani and Darko Milicic and Nikoloz Tskitishvili, those cautionary tales that haunt European prospects like family secrets. They'll call Doncic soft, comparing him to players who superficially resemble him, and they'll bemoan the decision to choose him over a blue-chip NCAA prospect -- even if, as Porzingis contends, "there's no other college kid that's able to put up those numbers in a EuroLeague game." At the moment, Porzingis explains, there's more hype around the Americans.

But that'll change soon enough, he says.

REAL MADRID'S SPRAWLING CAMPUS, called Ciudad Real Madrid, sits about 14 miles north of the city. On a Monday morning, the only people walking the property are security officers; the grounds are so quiet you can hear lawn mowers rumbling over distant soccer fields. The organization, famed for its privacy, shields its athletes from the outside world like hothouse flowers. Its players rarely give interviews before they turn 18.

After practice, Doncic emerges from the gym in sweats and Jordans, tailed by Alyson, his American publicist, and Julio, a communications staffer from Real Madrid. In street clothes, his build is surprisingly dense; if Doncic had been born in Birmingham, Alabama, instead of Ljubljana, Slovenia, he might've played football. He shaved off his stubble in the days since his last game, and he looks apple-cheeked and angelic, like a boy in a Renaissance painting. When I point out the change in his appearance, Doncic, who speaks a fair amount of English (his Spanish is flawless), blushes.

"I seem like a baby without the beard," he says.

Julio, dressed in a suit jacket with a tiny scarf knotted tight around his neck, a paperback copy of Winston Churchill's The Second World War in one hand, scurries to keep up with his charge. Doncic leads us to his car, an electric blue Porsche Panamera ("the most beautiful car in the world," he jokes) with custom black rims. Before he turned 18, the legal driving age in Spain, his mother used to pick him up from practice.

After stopping at a gas station -- Doncic ducks into the convenience store and pops out with an armload of Snickers bars for us -- we drive into Madrid. As Doncic careens around a turn, Julio shudders and rubs his glasses. Doncic glances at him and grins; like most teenagers, he has a gift for trolling the adults in his presence. "I'm gonna switch to racing," he deadpans. He swipes through a few rap stations until he finds one playing reggaeton, then cranks it up. "Why are you torturing us?" Julio says. A few minutes later, Doncic sings a few unprintable lyrics from Migos' "Bad and Boujee." And when Julio sighs, Doncic smiles sweetly, gesturing toward me. "I listen with the American people," he says.

Traffic slows as we cruise through the center of the city, and some of the pedestrians stare at Doncic's car. He points out a Five Guys, the American fast-food chain. "It's amazing," he says. Two summers ago, Doncic spent two weeks in Santa Barbara, California, at P3, a sports science and workout facility that draws many NBA stars. The town reminded him of a Spanish village, he says. On the weekends, he took trips to Los Angeles with his mother and his girlfriend, who had flown in from Slovenia, visiting Hollywood Boulevard, Rodeo Drive (he was impressed by the giant Nike store nearby) and Six Flags. "LA is amazing for me. I especially like the amazing cars," he says. "I was at Venice Beach for ... what was the serial there, Baywatch? And it was amazing."

Aside from that trip, his only exposure to the States has been through American television. After watching all 10 seasons of Friends last summer, he's working his way through How I Met Your Mother and is keen on visiting New York. "Central Park!" he says. "Drink coffee!" He knows a couple of New York Knicks: Porzingis and Willy Hernangomez, who used to play for Real Madrid (in February, he'd be traded to Charlotte). Doncic says he mostly communicates with Hernangomez while playing the video game Call of Duty.

"I tried to play Call of Duty, and I got killed in one minute," Julio says.

I ask Doncic whether he plans on adopting a nickname like Porzingis' Three Six Latvia, and he smiles mischievously. "Swaggy L," he says.

Both Julio and Alyson groan.

"Swaggy ... LD," he suggests.

Doncic parks his car in a garage, then leads us to one of his favorite restaurants in Madrid: the Hard Rock Cafe. He folds his massive frame into a seat in the corner, across from a rack of televisions playing Kiss videos. Julio and Alyson sit across from him, and his Spanish agent, a former Real Madrid player named Quique Villalobos, sits at a nearby table. A waiter approaches, wearing suspenders sagging under the weight of a dozen buttons. Doncic, speaking in Spanish, orders the Famous Fajitas (they're amazing, he tells me) and a plate of nachos. "Con doble queso," he says.

After his food arrives, I ask Doncic if he ever hears from NBA fans on social media. He nods, blushing again. "Some of them write 'Tank for Luka,'" he says. "I don't know. I just laugh." When he looks at their handles, he can tell they're from cities like Chicago, Orlando, Phoenix, Dallas -- places he's never seen, much less pondered as part of his adult life. He's reluctant to talk about his future. Real Madrid's season is only halfway over, and some of the team's fans still believe he'll stay another year. "You never know what can happen in the future," Doncic says, stealing a glance at Julio, who is staring at his phone. "I want to concentrate on where I am."

While Doncic is exceptionally vibrant on the court -- his games are punctuated by raucous celebrations and passionate fits, one of which recently resulted in an expulsion -- he betrays little emotion off of it, especially when pressed to discuss his own accomplishments. He's quick to deflect serious inquiries with dry humor.

Villalobos describes him to me as guarded, the polar opposite, he says, of Dragic (the players use the same agency). I ask him how they're dissimilar.

"I'm prettier," Doncic interrupts.

Villalobos rolls his eyes. "He's much more private," he says. "Goran? He shows love immediately. Luka needs to know you for five years."

While we're talking, Alyson calls Dragic, who has stayed in touch with Doncic since EuroBasket, mentoring him as he prepares for the NBA. Seconds later, his beaming face appears on her phone. She hands it to Doncic, who prompts his friend to take off his hat and show him his new haircut. They chat in Slovenian for a minute, and Doncic bursts into laughter. After he hangs up, I ask him what Dragic told him.

"He said, 'We're losing in Miami, so you can come,'" he says.


Doncic's mom, Mirjam, says her son is very mature, but "at home, he's a teenager." COURTESY OF JERJNE POTERBIN

THE FIRST DRAFT pick to go straight from Eastern Europe to the NBA was a Bulgarian named Georgi Glouchkov, a hulking forward known as the Balkan Banger who flamed out of the league after one season, 1985-86. For years afterward, the stereotype of European basketball players as slow and weak persisted, even as Toni Kukoc, Drazen Petrovic and Vlade Divac thrived in the NBA. Then in the early 2000s, the success of Mavericks draft pick Dirk Nowitzki spurred a run on foreign recruits: In 2003, NBA teams drafted a then-record 21 international prospects. At the time, league executives now concede, they were casting around blindly; many teams lacked the infrastructure to evaluate foreign players, as well as the savvy to help them ease into life in the States. While some of the players who came over became genuine stars, like Manu Ginobili and Pau Gasol, the botched draft picks cast an oversized shadow. Kwame Brown's failure doesn't hang over American prospects the way Milicic's story lingers for Eastern Europeans.

Years passed. Prospects improved. In 2013, Giannis Antetokounmpo and Rudy Gobert entered the league; a year later, Dario Saric, Jusuf Nurkic and Clint Capela were drafted. The recent surge in European imports is no accident, according to Maurizio Gherardini, a former assistant GM in Toronto who is now the GM of Fenerbahce, Turkey's EuroLeague team. "It reflects a progressive change in approach -- NBA clubs are ready to absorb the talent coming in," he says.

Others point to an evolution in the NBA itself. "I think it helped that along the way, the rules changed," Nowitzki says. After the league outlawed aggressive, physical play, the NBA's focus moved from power to finesse, shifting closer to the international game. "All of that obviously plays into the hands of some Europeans," he says.

Even so, some teams are still apprehensive about picking Europeans near the top of the draft. While few would admit to typecasting foreigners, it's undeniable that they're more familiar with college stars. One executive speculates that his peers are more afraid of picking a European bust than an American one, simply because people will make a bigger deal out of it. Another says it can be hard to persuade owners, who are quick to bring up names like Bargnani. "It's like not seeing a movie because you saw one five years ago that sucked -- and you haven't seen one since," the executive says. "If they follow college basketball, they're so much more comfortable with the known."

Ironically, Doncic might be the most known quantity in basketball. "He's been seen, studied, evaluated by everyone," says Gherardini, who jokes, "I was aware of him since he was born!" Given his age, Doncic's production is almost unprecedented; rotations in the EuroLeague run deeper than they do in the NBA, which makes it hard for young players to tally meaningful minutes. (Several executives told me that the typical EuroLeague team would crush collegiate competition.) According to ESPN's Kevin Pelton, Doncic has the highest wins above replacement player (WARP) projection of any European prospect since 2006, when data became available. Based on Pelton's calculations, which take into account age and how other European prospects' statistics have translated to NBA production, Doncic's WARP projection isn't just higher than Ricky Rubio's and Nikola Jokic's -- it's also the highest projection on record, even besting that of a young Anthony Davis.

By the numbers alone, Doncic is practically a sure thing.

But among league insiders, the question isn't whether the Slovenian teenager will bust -- almost no one thinks that. Rather, it's whether his ceiling is high enough to justify drafting him above the likes of Deandre Ayton and Marvin Bagley III. While Doncic is hardly plodding, he isn't exceptionally quick or strong. "His body is physically mature, so you worry about how much more it can change -- how much upside he can have," says one front office staffer. When teams have sent their best athletes to stop him, he's struggled at times to break free. On the other side of the ball, he's a diligent defender, but he isn't agile enough to keep up with nimble guards.

And yet, when NBA insiders criticize Doncic's game, they're quick to add that they're nitpicking. He might be limited on defense, but he can still play multiple spots on the floor, sliding seamlessly into the league's amorphous lineups. When Doncic has the ball, it feels like he's been given a flashlight while everyone else on the court is fumbling in the dark; he sees passing angles before they materialize, making him deadly in the pick-and-roll. "His game is much older than his age," explains one front office higher-up. "All of the stupid clichés you're gonna hear? It's because they're all true." Doncic's shooting percentages have declined over the course of the long season -- 31 percent from 3, 47 percent overall through April 5 -- but his mechanics are sound, suggesting fatigue and shot selection might be undermining his natural ability.

In December, during a EuroLeague game against Belgrade's Crvena Zvezda, Doncic doesn't seem tired, but his lack of speed shows up at times. When he hustles back on defense, he lumbers a bit, footsteps thudding on the floor. It would be absurd to call him unathletic, but he isn't graceful; he uses his body to carve out space like a person butting into a conversation.

Then, just when one is tempted to make too much of this apparent lack of finesse, something clicks. Real Madrid weaves together a series of screens and Doncic cuts inside, then sinks a jumper. A couple of possessions after that, he disrupts a shot and sprints across the court, dunking off a lob and dangling from the rim for a moment like a fish wriggling on a hook. ("He likes doing that," murmurs his agent, Bill Duffy, who is sitting to my left.) Seconds later, he shakes a defender and hits a step-back 3, then a pair of free throws, then one more 3-pointer.

In five minutes, Doncic has scored 12 points.

When the second quarter begins, Doncic's scoring slows, and the howling in the arena subsides -- until he pulls off a move so astonishing, I didn't realize what actually happened until I returned to the States and re-watched the tape. A few minutes in, he dribbles behind the arc, where he's double-teamed by a pair of Serbian team defenders. They close in on him, raising their arms like children pretending to be mummies. When Doncic tries to elude them, he falls backward and, in the process of tumbling, lobs the ball more than 25 feet to an open teammate in the low post, setting him up to score.

The announcer giggles. There isn't much to say.

Given his age, Doncic's production is almost unprecedented.

DONCIC AND HIS mother, Mirjam Poterbin, live in a quiet suburb of Madrid, in a modern house inside a gated community. On a rainy afternoon, Doncic is watching TV in Slovenian in his living room, sprawled on a sectional in a classic teenage pose -- body supine, chin resting on chest, hands fused to his phone. Near the sofa, there's a desk with an ergonomic chair designed for gaming. Doncic says he spends two to three hours a day playing video games like FIFA and Overwatch. ("Most of the time, when I get home ... I see Luka playing," Hernangomez says.)

Mirjam moved here two years ago to live with him. "He is very mature because of his life -- to go away so early. But when he's at home, he's a teenager."

Doncic was born in Ljubljana, where his father, Sasa, played for a top basketball club. As a young boy, he used to mop the floor at Sasa's games, occasionally taking shots during timeouts. His parents split up when Doncic was 8 years old, and from then on, Mirjam, a former model who opened a beauty shop, was his primary caretaker. Today, Sasa coaches a club in Slovenia. When asked to elaborate on their relationship, Luka declines.

Doncic enlisted in one of the country's basketball programs when he was 9. Fifteen minutes into his first practice, the coaches moved him to the other side of the gym, where the older boys played. The club's coach, Jernej Smolnikar, says Doncic's game as a child resembled his style of play as an adult, not because he could perform marvelous feats but because he knew they were possible. "He always saw a pass that everybody else didn't see or had the courage to shoot a step-back 3," Smolnikar says. "For the first three years, he wasn't able to do it ... but you could see the talent in him."

“I don't know any other European kid that plays at such a high level.”

- KRISTAPS PORZINGIS

By the time Doncic was a 6-foot-2 13-year-old, his physical powers had caught up with his mental ones. Like most athletic prodigies, he was comically dominant; if you had never watched a minute of basketball in your life, you could pull up online a grainy highlight reel of his 54-point showing at an Italian tournament in 2012 (set, inexplicably, to Bruce Dickinson's "Tears of the Dragon") and immediately recognize that the blond kid ripping off behind-the-back passes was going to be a star.

Doncic shrugs when asked about the game. "I was taller than almost everybody."

Not long after that tournament, Real Madrid flew him and his mother to Spain, where the team offered Doncic a multiyear contract, making him one of the youngest players the club had ever recruited from outside the country. For Mirjam, the decision to send him away was agonizing. "I said, 'Maybe you can wait a little bit,'" she says. "He said, 'Mom, I wanna go.'" On her first flight back to Slovenia without him, she wept so violently that the flight attendants had to comfort her.

Doncic, who rarely admits to feeling any sort of stress, acknowledges that the adjustment to life in Spain was surprisingly painful. At the time, he says, he spoke no Spanish -- "I just knew hola and guitar" -- and had to communicate with his first coach using his hands. He lived in a tiny dorm room with two boys from Spain and Bosnia, spending most of his waking hours in class or practice. "For the first three or four months, it was so hard," he says.

Several of the NBA executives I spoke with characterized Doncic's upbringing as an advantage. They're similarly enthused that he's spent time in locker rooms with veterans. Dragic, who lived with Doncic during Slovenia's EuroBasket run, says he was amazed by how well the younger player adjusted to his role on the team. "I was kind of skeptical at first -- how am I gonna play with Luka, we're both ball-dominant guys? But in the end, we coexisted perfectly," he says.

Like Dragic, Igor Kokoskov, the Utah Jazz assistant who coached Slovenia, marvels at Doncic's precociousness. "Leadership and presence on the court -- you can't coach it," he says. In some ways, he explains, Doncic's background has molded him into the player he is today: a teenager who sees and thinks and moves on the court like a much older man, exhibiting none of the self-doubt that normally comes with inexperience. But it's also shaped him in unknowable ways. "He kind of missed some parts of his life -- his basketball childhood," Kokoskov says. "He had to grow up fast."

Doncic concedes that while spending his formative years more than 1,000 miles away from his family and friends, there were times when he thought about quitting. "But every person pursuing a sport thinks 'I wish I was a normal teenager,'" he says.

I ask him what he would do if he couldn't play basketball. "Maybe sing?" he says, smiling. Then he shakes his head. "I never thought."

Mirjam's cousin Dolman says that after Dragic (right), Doncic is one of the most famous people in Slovenia.

AROUND THE TIME that the NCAA tournament begins, Doncic strains his hamstring, a minor injury that sidelines him for a few weeks. On a Friday afternoon, he drives to Ciudad Real Madrid to receive treatment, then meets me at a quiet Spanish restaurant near his house. We grab a table in the corner -- this time, it's just the two of us -- and he orders an Americano. When I point out a group of fit-looking men sitting near the front, Doncic explains that they play for soccer club Atlético Madrid. Once a year, he says, the basketball and soccer teams of Real Madrid gather for dinner. I ask him what he thinks of Ronaldo's celebrity. "He is too famous," he says. "He can't go on the street."

Doncic can walk through Madrid without drawing much attention, but he's already a star in his home country. Thousands of Slovenians trekked to the EuroBasket championship in Istanbul, taking 15-hour bus rides to watch the national team win its first title. It isn't uncommon to see kids in Ljubljana wearing bootleg Doncic jerseys, and the local news outlets track his every move. (Mirjam's cousin Dolman told me that the young star is the most famous person in Slovenia -- after Dragic, Melania Trump and "the woman who taped money to her body in The Wolf of Wall Street.")

While the average American fan hasn't heard of Doncic, he's already something of a darling among NBA draftniks, subject to countless message board debates. Over the past few months, a number of his highlights have sent tiny shock waves overseas, including but not limited to: a successful full-court heave, an ankle-breaking dribbling sequence and a basket he made while running behind the hoop, flicking it in as casually as someone might toss a piece of tissue paper into a garbage can (it didn't count because the play had stopped). I ask him if he's avoided the drumbeat of predraft rankings and he cradles his coffee cup in his giant hands. "I'm trying ... but I look," he admits. "They'll say: 'Oh, you're so good, you're so good!' Then you play one game bad and you're terrible," he says. "I'm trying to read less."

Without his entourage of minders hovering over him, Doncic seems more open and relaxed. When he mentions that he closely follows the NBA, I ask him what goes through his head when he watches games, and he chuckles. "That could be me, crossed over!" He says he likes the pace of play and the prevalence of the pick-and-roll. His favorite players are LeBron James, Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving, but he's enjoyed watching Ben Simmons. "I think we are, like, similar, you know?" he says. "He can play point guard, he can play forward. He can play a lot of stuff, like LeBron."

The next few months will be a whirlwind. After the lottery on May 15, Doncic won't have time to fly to the States to do any workouts; Real Madrid's season could last into June, which means he might miss the draft. He plans to return to Santa Barbara this summer to work on his speed and explosiveness, as well as his defense. When I ask him if his mother will move to America with him, he murmurs maybe, then corrects himself and says yes. "But if she will move, we will move to different apartments," he says, sitting up a little straighter in his chair.

Your life is going to be so different in a year.

"Maybe," he says. "If everything goes right."

What does that seem like to you?

He pauses for a few seconds, lowering his big blue eyes. "It's amazing, but ... you don't know."

He insists that uncertainty doesn't frighten him. "I just want to play basketball," he says. In a few months, he'll get on a plane and fly across the world to a city he's probably never seen, stepping into a light that will grow only brighter. From that point on, everything he encounters will be strange and new -- except for the thing he treasures the most, the facet of his life that's changed the least. When I ask him why the game makes him happy, he gives me a quizzical look, and I briefly wonder whether I have to reword the question so he'll understand it. "Because I love doing it," he says. Then he finishes his coffee and rises from his chair, leaving the restaurant unnoticed, perhaps for the last time.
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When the second quarter begins, Doncic's scoring slows, and the howling in the arena subsides -- until he pulls off a move so astonishing, I didn't realize what actually happened until I returned to the States and re-watched the tape. A few minutes in, he dribbles behind the arc, where he's double-teamed by a pair of Serbian team defenders. They close in on him, raising their arms like children pretending to be mummies. When Doncic tries to elude them, he falls backward and, in the process of tumbling, lobs the ball more than 25 feet to an open teammate in the low post, setting him up to score.

The announcer giggles. There isn't much to say.
I'm pretty sure this is the pass she's talking about. https://youtu.be/HQSjUU0_9N8?t=1564

Also, I'm convinced that any American who thought Luka wasn't BY FAR the best player in the 2018 draft not only was ignorant of how good the competition is in Europe, but also simply hadn't seen him play.

If you haven't actually watched footage of him playing in Europe, please do yourself a favor and watch some. I've been binge watching his footage with Real Madrid and the Slovenian national team since yesterday, and I'm simply blown away. He was absolutely jaw-dropping. A game-winner here, a half-court shot there... If an American kid in the NCAA was even 75% as good as Luka was in Europe, that hype around that kid would approach Lebron levels.

I don't know what the hell we did to deserve this young man, but I'm soooooo grateful that 3 teams were ignorant or just plain stupid enough to pass on him. We Mavs fans have been truly blessed by the basketball gods.
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