Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Go Back   Dallas-Mavs.com Forums > Mavs / NBA > Trade and Draft Board

View Poll Results: What impact will Ball have on the NBA?
Perennial allstar, Potential HoFer 1 5.56%
Superstar with at least one Allstar appearance 5 27.78%
Borderline star, starter for 8-10+ years 7 38.89%
Borderline starter, starter for 5-7 years 5 27.78%
Solid bench player (1-6 year career off bench) 0 0%
Wash out. Bounces around the league but little impact after rookie contravt 0 0%
Voters: 18. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-23-2017, 02:44 PM   #1
EricaLubarsky
Resident misanthrope
 
EricaLubarsky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 28,798
EricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond repute
Default Ball don't lie (a poll on Lonzo Ball's impact).

Ignoring the train wreck that is Lonzo Balls dad, what do you think he'll do in the NBA. Vote now and discuss below.
__________________
EricaLubarsky is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 04-23-2017, 09:02 PM   #2
Underdog
Moderator
 
Underdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Jun 2011
Posts: 30,986
Underdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Can you ignore his dad though? Seems like keeping poisonous personalities around can derail a career before it even gets off the ground... I think he definitely has the makings of a star, but he also has the most non-talent-related bust potential out of anyone in the top ten.
__________________

Its the Dirk Nowitzki effect on their offense. As a defense, you absolutely overreact to every situation hes
in -- or even that hes not in -- and then you lose all sight of your team defensive rules." --Erik Spoelstra

Last edited by Underdog; 04-23-2017 at 09:03 PM.
Underdog is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2017, 08:17 AM   #3
MavzMan
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 743
MavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud of
Default

The kid has amazing talent and he already makes his team better. He may not have the scoring and dominance of someone like Lebron, but he really is on the same path as Magic Johnson .... if you take out his dad.

The really sad part is that the media will continue to flock around his dad just for insane quotes and he'll just keep on doing it. Specially since he's got 2 younger kids to build up as well, right?
MavzMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2017, 12:47 PM   #4
rmacomic
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: La Porte de l'Enfer
Posts: 2,300
rmacomic has a reputation beyond reputermacomic has a reputation beyond reputermacomic has a reputation beyond reputermacomic has a reputation beyond reputermacomic has a reputation beyond reputermacomic has a reputation beyond reputermacomic has a reputation beyond reputermacomic has a reputation beyond reputermacomic has a reputation beyond reputermacomic has a reputation beyond reputermacomic has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Underdog View Post
Can you ignore his dad though? Seems like keeping poisonous personalities around can derail a career before it even gets off the ground... I think he definitely has the makings of a star, but he also has the most non-talent-related bust potential out of anyone in the top ten.
Cough * Odom * Cough
__________________
rmacomic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2017, 01:14 PM   #5
rimrocker
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,645
rimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud ofrimrocker has much to be proud of
Default

Probably at least one all-star appearance but later in his career.
The problem for Lonzo will be the more success he has, the more vocal his dad will be and will draw even more media attention.
Almost a no-win situation for Lonzo....kinda feel for the kid.

Last edited by rimrocker; 04-24-2017 at 01:15 PM.
rimrocker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2017, 01:57 PM   #6
BPo001
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 2,049
BPo001 has a brilliant futureBPo001 has a brilliant futureBPo001 has a brilliant futureBPo001 has a brilliant futureBPo001 has a brilliant futureBPo001 has a brilliant futureBPo001 has a brilliant futureBPo001 has a brilliant futureBPo001 has a brilliant futureBPo001 has a brilliant futureBPo001 has a brilliant future
Default

Might be tough for him to make an all star game 1. Because it's basically a popularity contest and I can see his dad's big mouth making a lot of fans not want to vote for him and 2. The sure talent of guards in the league that he would have to beat out. I think he will be good not great. Starter material, but not good enough to carry a team on his own. I'll admit I haven't watched him all that much though.
BPo001 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2017, 02:28 PM   #7
dirt_dobber
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Bee Cave, Texas
Posts: 2,298
dirt_dobber has a brilliant futuredirt_dobber has a brilliant futuredirt_dobber has a brilliant futuredirt_dobber has a brilliant futuredirt_dobber has a brilliant futuredirt_dobber has a brilliant futuredirt_dobber has a brilliant futuredirt_dobber has a brilliant futuredirt_dobber has a brilliant futuredirt_dobber has a brilliant futuredirt_dobber has a brilliant future
Default

worst shooting mechanics I ever seen of a college player.
dirt_dobber is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2017, 02:52 PM   #8
Underdog
Moderator
 
Underdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Jun 2011
Posts: 30,986
Underdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rmacomic View Post
Cough * Odom * Cough
That's exactly who I was thinking of when I typed that... Dude won 6th Man of the Year right before his career imploded (sucks that it happened right after Dallas landed him).
__________________

Its the Dirk Nowitzki effect on their offense. As a defense, you absolutely overreact to every situation hes
in -- or even that hes not in -- and then you lose all sight of your team defensive rules." --Erik Spoelstra
Underdog is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2017, 04:15 PM   #9
EricaLubarsky
Resident misanthrope
 
EricaLubarsky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 28,798
EricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dirt_dobber View Post
worst shooting mechanics I ever seen of a college player.
His shot is low and slow. He's going to need a lot of space to get a shot off at the next level, which really worries me and if he can' shoot, his defender can take a step back meaning he'll have a hard time penetrating, too which may mean that he will have difficulty creating offense.
__________________
EricaLubarsky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2017, 07:54 PM   #10
Melonhead
Diamond Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 5,318
Melonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant futureMelonhead has a brilliant future
Default

Will get pushed around in the NBA. That shot wont fall either. But he has great vision and flash. I expect to see him on many transition fast break highlights. Maybe an allstar appearance. But its very close
__________________
Melonhead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2017, 08:10 PM   #11
Underdog
Moderator
 
Underdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Jun 2011
Posts: 30,986
Underdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead View Post
Will get pushed around in the NBA. That shot wont fall either. But he has great vision and flash. I expect to see him on many transition fast break highlights.
Ricky Rubio 2.0?
__________________

Its the Dirk Nowitzki effect on their offense. As a defense, you absolutely overreact to every situation hes
in -- or even that hes not in -- and then you lose all sight of your team defensive rules." --Erik Spoelstra
Underdog is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2017, 09:18 PM   #12
BPo001
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 2,049
BPo001 has a brilliant futureBPo001 has a brilliant futureBPo001 has a brilliant futureBPo001 has a brilliant futureBPo001 has a brilliant futureBPo001 has a brilliant futureBPo001 has a brilliant futureBPo001 has a brilliant futureBPo001 has a brilliant futureBPo001 has a brilliant futureBPo001 has a brilliant future
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Underdog View Post
Ricky Rubio 2.0?
I don't feel like that's a great comparison because he can shoot. The question mark is whether he will have time to get his shot off. Plus Rubio is a solid defender. Something Ball isn't known for.
BPo001 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2017, 09:21 PM   #13
Underdog
Moderator
 
Underdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Jun 2011
Posts: 30,986
Underdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond reputeUnderdog has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BPo001 View Post
I don't feel like that's a great comparison because he can shoot. The question mark is whether he will have time to get his shot off. Plus Rubio is a solid defender. Something Ball isn't known for.
I was thinking more the "great vision and flash" and "transition fast break highlights" parts -- obviously defense is a huge difference between the two.
__________________

Its the Dirk Nowitzki effect on their offense. As a defense, you absolutely overreact to every situation hes
in -- or even that hes not in -- and then you lose all sight of your team defensive rules." --Erik Spoelstra

Last edited by Underdog; 04-24-2017 at 09:40 PM.
Underdog is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2017, 08:44 AM   #14
sefant77
Guru
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Brasil
Posts: 11,552
sefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond reputesefant77 has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Maybe a slightly better Rubio. less defense, better shooting. But i dont trust that he can translate his shot so easily into the NBA.
sefant77 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2017, 08:45 AM   #15
MavzMan
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 743
MavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud ofMavzMan has much to be proud of
Default

I don't see him being a big time scorer. Magic wasn't really known for his scoring even though he still as 20 ppg player. I can see Ball with his length being a good defender, but his passing will really help the team more.

However, the All-Star appearances being a popularity contest is a very valid argument. His Dad is seriously going to hurt him there.
MavzMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2017, 10:16 AM   #16
DevinHarriswillstart
Guru
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 14,341
DevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond reputeDevinHarriswillstart has a reputation beyond repute
Default

I think Ball can add weight to his frame which will help long term. His shooting mechanics are simply terrible and taller players will easily block that low slung shooting form.

Borderline star.
__________________
DevinHarriswillstart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2017, 10:55 AM   #17
BigDog63
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 135
BigDog63 is a jewel in the roughBigDog63 is a jewel in the roughBigDog63 is a jewel in the roughBigDog63 is a jewel in the rough
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MavzMan View Post
The kid has amazing talent and he already makes his team better. He may not have the scoring and dominance of someone like Lebron, but he really is on the same path as Magic Johnson .... if you take out his dad.
A legitimate argument can be made that Magic Johnson was the greatest basketball player ever, and played all five positions, so no, Ball is not on at all on the same path as Magic. It is this type of hyperbole that will only hinder his progress....people are setting expectations he cannot possibly match.

I don't see him even being on the same path as Jason Kidd...he doesn't rebound like Kidd did.

Currently, I'd put him on the same path as Ricky Rubio. Which looked great at that same point...but fizzled once he came into the league. Another comparison might be Rajon Rondo, although I think Ball is a better shooter than that (because it's hard not to be).

Last edited by BigDog63; 04-25-2017 at 10:58 AM.
BigDog63 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2017, 10:17 AM   #18
EricaLubarsky
Resident misanthrope
 
EricaLubarsky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 28,798
EricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond repute
Default

.
__________________
EricaLubarsky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-14-2017, 01:11 PM   #19
DirkFTW
Diamond Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 5,236
DirkFTW has a reputation beyond reputeDirkFTW has a reputation beyond reputeDirkFTW has a reputation beyond reputeDirkFTW has a reputation beyond reputeDirkFTW has a reputation beyond reputeDirkFTW has a reputation beyond reputeDirkFTW has a reputation beyond reputeDirkFTW has a reputation beyond reputeDirkFTW has a reputation beyond reputeDirkFTW has a reputation beyond reputeDirkFTW has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Red guard grabbed hold of one Ball, but thankfully didn't squeeze too hard before letting go. Anything prolonged or painful could have had a massive impact on the other Ball's functionality.
__________________


Is this ghost ball??
DirkFTW is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:12 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.