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I say... don't do it! I want to see Delon Wright shine. I'd also like to see what Tim Hardaway Jr. can do. Chris Paul wasn't a good fit in Houston. Why would he be a good fit here? Maybe he's an upgrade over Wright, but damn... I don't know if I like this potential move.
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Underdog, what do you think about this possible move? We're getting rid of a player we honestly wouldn't even use in Courtney Lee. No big loss there. Then we're basically swapping 27 year old Tim Hardaway Jr for 34 year old Chris Paul. Both have March birthdays. Right now Chris Paul is a better player. Tim has 2 years left on his contract as I think he plans to opt into the final year of his contract. Courtney Lee has 1 year left. There's no way we'd sign Tim Hardaway Jr. back as a free agent if we make this move. We better make sure we're really ready to see him go before doing something like this.

I really am concerned about the impact this makes on the bench as well. I feel like we have a pretty ideal rotation right now with how the roster was developed. That changes with this trade. However, it opens a spot, and we could sign someone. Who though?
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Underdog, what do you think about this possible move?
If there was a hell-to-the-no GIF big enough to express how I feel it would probably break the internet.
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Ha, you all thought I was kidding when I mentioned this last month! This would SO be a Cuban in August because FA was a failure move.

But as Cuban would say....step away from the crack pipe.
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Pros and cons of said move? I'd like to see what everyone can come up with here.
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PRO: Cuban gets to SAVE FACE by claiming this was his plan all along.

CON: Cuban gets to save face by claiming THIS was his plan all along.
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Thunder are willing, of course.

Mavs arent. Not post Dirk. They are not killing the 2021 FA for old Ass Paul when they have Luka, Brunson, Wright and Barea

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The only way any team takes on Paul is for first round picks. If the Thunder want to give us 2 first rounders, then I'm at least listening. That's the price because they literally have no position to negotiate with a ridiculously terrible contract and old lockerroom cancer.
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This. If it doesn't involve multiple 1st's then they can let him rot there in OKC and deal with him.
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The original article is a subheading under "How to Trade the NBA's Worst Contracts" of which this article is one of five. It's entirely hypothetical.

There are way too many reasons for the Mavs not to do this. You take the ball and decision-making away from Doncic and hand them to a barking commandant. You stunt the growth of Wright. You lose the flexibility of two expiring contracts. You shackle the team with diminishing returns as they are expected to grow together as a team.

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The original article is a subheading under "How to Trade the NBA's Worst Contracts" of which this article is one of five. It's entirely hypothetical.

There are way too many reasons for the Mavs not to do this. You take the ball and decision-making away from Doncic and hand them to a barking commandant. You stunt the growth of Wright. You lose the flexibility of two expiring contracts. You shackle the team with diminishing returns as they are expected to grow together as a team.

This is a reporter desperate for filler.
Welcome to August.
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No to Paul, but "yes" if it's THJ for Adams. I would even consider THJ + Lee for Adams and Schroder.
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No to Paul, but "yes" if it's THJ for Adams. I would even consider THJ + Lee for Adams and Schroder.
But why would OKC do this?
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It would only be salary dump for Year#2 of those contracts. Adams and Schroder will cost around $40M, THJ is about $18M and Lee is off the books.
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It would only be salary dump for Year#2 of those contracts. Adams and Schroder will cost around $40M, THJ is about $18M and Lee is off the books.
But they would be giving up their best player to a rival.
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Like sending Westbrook to Houston?
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Adams + Schroeder - 40.8mill this year. 43mill next year.

Lee+ THJ - 32.8 mill this year (we're over the cap so impossible). 19mill next year.

OKC saves 8mill this year and 24mill next year.

However, Mavs are operating over the cap, so the trade is impossible.
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I know this is a hot take but Chris Paul is still a better basketball player than Stephen adams. Hell hes still a player that contributes to winning more than Westbrook. I wouldn't do thAt deal but if the thunder don't make a trade they are better than people think, if they hadn't traded grant I'd pick them to still be in the playoffs
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Adams + Schroeder - 40.8mill this year. 43mill next year.

Lee+ THJ - 32.8 mill this year (we're over the cap so impossible). 19mill next year.

OKC saves 8mill this year and 24mill next year.

However, Mavs are operating over the cap, so the trade is impossible.
It's close. The Mavs could add Broekhoff and it works according to ESPN. But maybe that is not a good source?

If OKC sees Adams as a key player moving forward, then they are clearly not making this trade. Adams can be important on a team with a couple of superstars but his high salary is difficult to justify in my mind on the rebuilding Thunder. By the time OKC has the opportunity to use their abundance of draft picks, Adams will be at the end of his contract and seems likely he would want to move on and be part of a team that is competitive in the playoffs. But who knows, maybe he loves Oklahoma City
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It's close. The Mavs could add Broekhoff and it works according to ESPN. But maybe that is not a good source?

If OKC sees Adams as a key player moving forward, then they are clearly not making this trade. Adams can be important on a team with a couple of superstars but his high salary is difficult to justify in my mind on the rebuilding Thunder. By the time OKC has the opportunity to use their abundance of draft picks, Adams will be at the end of his contract and seems likely he would want to move on and be part of a team that is competitive in the playoffs. But who knows, maybe he loves Oklahoma City
On the other hand, if they are listening to offers for Adams, then there is likely to be a better trade out there than one where he goes to the Mavs.
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It's close. The Mavs could add Broekhoff and it works according to ESPN. But maybe that is not a good source?

If OKC sees Adams as a key player moving forward, then they are clearly not making this trade. Adams can be important on a team with a couple of superstars but his high salary is difficult to justify in my mind on the rebuilding Thunder. By the time OKC has the opportunity to use their abundance of draft picks, Adams will be at the end of his contract and seems likely he would want to move on and be part of a team that is competitive in the playoffs. But who knows, maybe he loves Oklahoma City
I'll eat crow. I thought ESPN just hadn't figured that we were working as an over-the-cap team, but they have. The rules have just changed. For a team that is over the cap, but not paying tax, then it's now 175% + $100,000 so the trade works. The 125% rule only applies to taxpaying teams and I also never actually figured that it was still only 120%.

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I know this is a hot take but Chris Paul is still a better basketball player than Stephen adams. Hell hes still a player that contributes to winning more than Westbrook. I wouldn't do thAt deal but if the thunder don't make a trade they are better than people think, if they hadn't traded grant I'd pick them to still be in the playoffs
I said this from day one..OKC is actually a good fit for Paul and they will be a pretty good team.

Paul/ DS
SGA/ Ferguson
Roberson
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Adams

Paul will have a field day setting those guys up and having the ball in his hands at all times unlike in Houston.
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The only way any team takes on Paul is for first round picks. If the Thunder want to give us 2 first rounders, then I'm at least listening. That's the price because they literally have no position to negotiate with a ridiculously terrible contract and old lockerroom cancer.
That, or if OKC bought out his contract and then Mavs could pick him up for the minimum. Never gonna happen, so no thanks.
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I'd bet OKC would take Paul for even neutral value and are trying to get positive value out of him. I doubt they get a positive or neutral offer this offeason, but I highly doubt they start shipping out assets to dump him anytime before the deadline.

Maybe during the season they consider sending out value to dump him, but honestly they're so far from competing, it wouldn't kill them to just keep him until they get some of the rookies they're owed through picks , develop them, and then let that huge contract drop off right as the rookies need supporting vets. They make a big splash in free agency then.
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I could see OKC going the opposite route and trading for big talent around the deadline depending on how well Paul plays. They have enough assets to get a deal done as long as someone takes back Adams.
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Hmmmm, I dunno
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