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Old 02-14-2020, 11:19 PM   #161
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Milwaukee, LA, Denver, Utah to name a few contenders that have size.
Yeah, their best players happen to be big. If their best players were wings, they would play them instead. But playing big players just because they happen to be big is not smart basketball anymore

No NBA team is going to stop using a system that is working to give minutes to a journeyman player

And our lack of defense is more of a function of the fact that we are a year (at least) ahead of schedule. The team will gell and become better defensively

And lets not forget that we're had a couple of duds. Wright was supposed to shore up our point guard defense and he's under-performed. We tried to get Green (twice). Apparently we tried to get Iggy. We have tried to get above average wing defenders

This season is a joy because we should have been 40 to 44 wins but we are better than that. Luka is amazing and KP is finally getting to where everyone wants him to be. DFS is much improved, Maxi rocks, and NOBODY expected THJ to be this good. Next year I hope for more improvement and afterwards, then maybe lightning will strike and we'll get a premium free agent

I'm not going to get worked up about a journeyman center's minutes. Not this season and probably not next season either
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Never averaged even 10 minutes per game for the Warriors



Of course Powell is a journeyman center. He's certainly not a star. He's not particularly valuable. There wasn't a line of teams vying to get his services during his free agency
Mic drop reference was for Powell being correctly id'd as journeyman center, more like situational backup journeyman imo.

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Old 02-15-2020, 11:53 AM   #163
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Who cares about size advantage? Its a dinosaur concept. The best way to win is to play your best players



Our defense is bad but our offense is amazing. The object of the game is to score more points than your opponent



I hate small ball too but that's the way the NBA is going. Why should we buck the trend?
Size doesn't matter? Yeah, give me a midget guard all day long over giant in the paint who can dunk a ball flat footed. /sarc

Not going to win jack without paint defense and rebounding.

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Yeah, their best players happen to be big. If their best players were wings, they would play them instead. But playing big players just because they happen to be big is not smart basketball anymore

No NBA team is going to stop using a system that is working to give minutes to a journeyman player

And our lack of defense is more of a function of the fact that we are a year (at least) ahead of schedule. The team will gell and become better defensively

And lets not forget that we're had a couple of duds. Wright was supposed to shore up our point guard defense and he's under-performed. We tried to get Green (twice). Apparently we tried to get Iggy. We have tried to get above average wing defenders

This season is a joy because we should have been 40 to 44 wins but we are better than that. Luka is amazing and KP is finally getting to where everyone wants him to be. DFS is much improved, Maxi rocks, and NOBODY expected THJ to be this good. Next year I hope for more improvement and afterwards, then maybe lightning will strike and we'll get a premium free agent

I'm not going to get worked up about a journeyman center's minutes. Not this season and probably not next season either
Their best players happen to be big because the GM built the team that way.
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His minutes with golden st always increased doing the playoffs and rightfully so because that's when you need post defense and rebounding the most.
1st season: reg- 9.6, po- 9.3

So, nope.

2nd season: reg- 9.5, po- 12.2

Almost 3 whole minutes.
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Size doesn't matter? Yeah, give me a midget guard all day long over giant in the paint who can dunk a ball flat footed. /sarc

Not going to win jack without paint defense and rebounding.
So you would rather have Adams over Westbrook? Whiteside more than Lillard? Wait you say, there is a massive talent difference there. Well yes there is. If there were more talented large players then it would be easy to build out a roster. But a lot of teams are bypassing playing less talented players just because of their size.

And you bring up rebounding. The Mavs are FOURTH in the league (ahead of the Lakers who use that super-effective bruiser McGee). One of the teams ahead of us is the Clipper who rarely use a true center at all. Zubac only plays around 18 min per game and he's the ONLY player above 6'8" on the team
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Their best players happen to be big because the GM built the team that way.
I'm pretty sure that Giannis wouldn't have lasted to pick number 15 if there wasn't some question as to whether he would develop

Jokic wasn't drafted until pick 41. I don't think the team was planning for him to be a superstar to build around

Siakam was 27th. Bam lasted to the 14th pick. Gobert was the 27th pick. Sabonis was #11

Yes if you have one of the top 3 picks then there is a greater than average chance to be able to pick a player that you can build around. Outside the top ten its a crapshoot and nobody can positively identify the building blocks of a future team

And of those six guys - four of them are proficient at shooting the 3
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I'm pretty sure that Giannis wouldn't have lasted to pick number 15 if there wasn't some question as to whether he would develop

Jokic wasn't drafted until pick 41. I don't think the team was planning for him to be a superstar to build around

Siakam was 27th. Bam lasted to the 14th pick. Gobert was the 27th pick. Sabonis was #11

Yes if you have one of the top 3 picks then there is a greater than average chance to be able to pick a player that you can build around. Outside the top ten its a crapshoot and nobody can positively identify the building blocks of a future team

And of those six guys - four of them are proficient at shooting the 3
I'm not talking about drafting. Almost all of them were re signed to big deals as key players. Davis also signed a big deal....and he isn't a 3pt threat. Bigs are in high demand even if they aren't perimeter threats especially if they are mobile and can defend\shot block.
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I'm not talking about drafting. Almost all of them were re signed to big deals as key players. Davis also signed a big deal....and he isn't a 3pt threat. Bigs are in high demand even if they aren't perimeter threats especially if they are mobile and can defend\shot block.
If you have a key player who happens to be a big then of course you keep them - I'm not understanding what you are trying to say. You would also keep a key player if he was a wing or a point guard too

You shape your roster around your best players. Davis is a great player and of course he was going to get a big deal. And you deal with their minuses by the role players (ie journeymen players). Or you make their strengths stronger with it. Luka is a great passer so having great shooters around him makes the team even stronger

And we do have a big who is mobile and can defend\shot block. And is a perimeter threat. His name is Porzingis in case you forgot. So why play another big who isn't better than other players on your roster? One who doesn't fit your style of play? WCS isn't better than Maxi either and Maxi fits our style of play perfectly. WCS isn't better than Curry and he certainly doesn't fit our style of play better

So why do you insist that the Mavs need to play him more? Journeyman players have to adapt to the system, not expect the system to adapt to them
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If you have a key player who happens to be a big then of course you keep them - I'm not understanding what you are trying to say. You would also keep a key player if he was a wing or a point guard too

You shape your roster around your best players. Davis is a great player and of course he was going to get a big deal. And you deal with their minuses by the role players (ie journeymen players). Or you make their strengths stronger with it. Luka is a great passer so having great shooters around him makes the team even stronger

And we do have a big who is mobile and can defend\shot block. And is a perimeter threat. His name is Porzingis in case you forgot. So why play another big who isn't better than other players on your roster? One who doesn't fit your style of play? WCS isn't better than Maxi either and Maxi fits our style of play perfectly. WCS isn't better than Curry and he certainly doesn't fit our style of play better

So why do you insist that the Mavs need to play him more? Journeyman players have to adapt to the system, not expect the system to adapt to them
My point is still opposing the idea that bigs are a dinosaur concept. I pointed out teams that are contenders and basically all of them are using 2 bigs, often.

Not saying you are wrong, but I'm not a fan of comparing different positions like Curry is better than Willie. He's better at shooting and dribbling, but not defending and rebounding.

I have expressed my opinion on why he should start a couple of times already. He has been productive in his minutes here. Surprisingly so. I wasn't a big fan of the trade because I didn't think he was good enough to bother and I felt like it was pointless unless Maxi goes down too. Something that forces Rick to play him. This 3 and 5 mins a game is pointless. Maxi is not that much better. I think he is adjusting to the system fine, it's not like he is running to the low block and calling for a pass or shooting bad shots. He is moving the ball well, defending and challenging shots. Idk what else he needs to do to get more time to prove himself.
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My point is still opposing the idea that bigs are a dinosaur concept. I pointed out teams that are contenders and basically all of them are using 2 bigs, often.
We play Porzingis 30 mpg and Maxi 25 mpg (Powell was 26 mpg) which was 80ish minutes. With WCS playing around 12 mpg we're still at 67ish minutes

In comparison, Denver plays Jokic 32 mpg and Plumlee 17 mpg. Porter Jr plays 14 mpg. 63ish minutes

Utah plays Gobert 34 mpg and Davis/Bradley about 21 mpg. 55ish minutes

The Clippers barely uses a big at all. Houston doesn't use one anymore

The idea that bigs are a dinosaur concept is real. There are some teams that still use it and are scary effective with it but very few teams are playing guys that are merely big. Skilled and big, yes. Just because they are big, no

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I wasn't a big fan of the trade because I didn't think he was good enough to bother and I felt like it was pointless unless Maxi goes down too.
Yep. I was ok with the trade but I didn't think WCS would get many minutes unless there was another injury
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I don't see WCS on this team next year but if he decides to stick around to be in an insurance role that would be fine.
This year's draft should be fairly rich with bigs in the 20-45 range and if there are no decent wings available it might be a good option to take a big with one of our picks in that range.

Some notable names potentially in that range:

Jalen Smith
Vernon Carey Jr.
Zeke Nnaji
Udoka Azubuike
Nick Richards
Omer Yurtseven
Austin Wiley

Sleeper:
Aleksej Pokusevski (seems like a perfect RC guy....7ft, great handles, good shooter, shot blocker, decent athleticism).

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You guys are waisting time debating with this guy.

I stopped responding the minute he said bigs are dinosaurs

Seems like anyone who has watched Utah and LA destroy us on the boards with our small ball lineups would understand your not winning those battles in the post season.

We don't have elite wing defenders like the clippers to make small ball work. Our wing defenders consist of guys like curry, Brunson, THJ and Wright that tandem is nice if your playing the likes of Washington or Atlanta when you don't have to get stops consistently

But those teams aren't going to the playoffs

The mavs are 4-12 vs west playoffs teams and quite a few of those games were decided because they just couldn't get any stops

One in particular was having DFS switch off on to Jokic on last defensive possession and he was just to small to contest that shot.

The Lakers meanwhile in one of their last games before the ASG was in the same situation late in a game and they were able to throw dwight Howard all over jokic to get late game stop while a.davis was defending J.Grant

So yes size does still matter even if your not playing all game with it.

You can still be strategic in the ways you use size to help you win games especially come playoff time.

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I stopped responding the minute he said bigs are dinosaurs
>>>IF<<< your best players are bigs then play them of course. If they aren't then you are being crazy to play them because "that's the way it has always been". The game is moving away from the plodding defensive slugfest of the olden days towards a glorious time where skill is more important

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Seems like anyone who has watched Utah and LA destroy us on the boards with our small ball lineups would understand your not winning those battles in the post season.
And you REALLY think WCS is going to stop them? OK

You did read that we play bigs more minutes than Denver OR Utah right? I can post it again if you need me to

We play Porzingis 30 mpg and Maxi 25 mpg (Powell was 26 mpg) which was 80ish minutes. With WCS playing around 12 mpg we're still at 67ish minutes

In comparison, Denver plays Jokic 32 mpg and Plumlee 17 mpg. Porter Jr plays 14 mpg. 63ish minutes

Utah plays Gobert 34 mpg and Davis/Bradley about 21 mpg. 55ish minutes

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We don't have elite wing defenders like the clippers to make small ball work.
Wait. I thought small ball couldn't work

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Our wing defenders consist of guys like curry, Brunson, THJ and Wright that tandem is nice if your playing the likes of Washington or Atlanta when you don't have to get stops consistently

But those teams aren't going to the playoffs

The mavs are 4-12 vs west playoffs teams and quite a few of those games were decided because they just couldn't get any stops

One in particular was having DFS switch off on to Jokic on last defensive possession and he was just to small to contest that shot.

The Lakers meanwhile in one of their last games before the ASG was in the same situation late in a game and they were able to throw dwight Howard all over jokic to get late game stop while a.davis was defending J.Grant

So yes size does still matter even if your not playing all game with it.

You can still be strategic in the ways you use size to help you win games especially come playoff time.
Again if you think that WCS is going to win that defensive battle then you are completely right. I think he's got zero chance so our best chance to win is to have one of Howard or Davis trying to guard the perimeter. That's a matchup that favors us while the other is not
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