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Old 12-23-2018, 11:45 PM   #41
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Wow great shot from Luka...but of course Mavs never win on the road narrative continues.
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Win this game if JJB can hit anything. Also DJ looked like he was taking the night off on the court, not too much energy from him. Need to beat up on the struggling Pelicans.
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That Doncic kid is pretty good at the basketball.
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Great effort just seen Luka shot on Twitter. Looks like I missed a good comeback. I’ll take a moral victory on that. Fucking brutal how close the team keeps getting.
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I wouldn't mind trading Wes and Powell this season. DJ not so much, but it's getting more and more obvious that he isn't a long-term option.
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Have Wes and Barnes ever played well at the same time? Jesus, so frustrating. I'm sorry that I'm not going to be positive about a 6 game losing streak when we're living and dying by one of those two playing like total shit.

And yes, Halleluka. He is the single reason I keep watching during this dreadful streak.
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I'm starting to suspect that you're actually me, having time-traveled here from 2017... Or 2016... Or 2015.
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I wouldn't mind trading Wes and Powell this season. DJ not so much, but it's getting more and more obvious that he isn't a long-term option.
I like DJ and what he brings but he has no offensive game and that hurts at time because without Dirk we don’t really have anyone consistently down low. Watching Cousins getting ready for his come back, I can’t help but wonder what it could mean to have a big that can rebound but also score in any way he wants. Never been a Cousins fan but if he comes back strong, I think we should take a look. Cousins and Luka would be impossible to guard and Luka would average 5 assists just to Cousins who can actually hit a jump shot and has a legitimate post game.
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My phone died right as Brunson was bringing the ball up and Inkissed Lukas OT forcing shot....great shot and a great game by him.

I will say it again ...while he had a couple of mistakes, Brunson is the better and smarter player next to Luka.

Barnes has a. Very good game but man his fee tunnel vision attacks are infuriating.

Wes ...for every one good thing he did 3 stupid things.

Tough losses in the last few games but these type of games can make a team go either way and I hope that these moments make the Mavs stronger and better prepared overal.
Just saw Luka interview. He said that he was supposed to go the opposite direction on that inbound play, but he and Brunson recognized that the defender was defending him wrong and hooked up.
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Have Wes and Barnes ever played well at the same time? Jesus, so frustrating. I'm sorry that I'm not going to be positive about a 6 game losing streak when we're living and dying by one of those two playing like total shit.

And yes, Halleluka. He is the single reason I keep watching during this dreadful streak.


But everyone loves coach clap clap. When things don't look great you can always look to coach clap clap to wash away all our worries during losing streaks. I'll just start posting this gem as long as we keep losing to keep your spirits up.

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But everyone loves coach clap clap. When things don't look great you can always look to coach clap clap to wash away all our worries during losing streaks. I'll just start posting this gem as long as we keep losing to keep your spirits up.

You are all welcome.
I feel it's karma for all of the fans hating on DSJ...and trust me, there were a LOT of them before this losing streak. But despite all of the nonsensical advanced numbers that say Luka and Smith can't play together, Smith still made game winning plays to win close games. That isn't something you can measure in numbers...he just did it...and we won.

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Yeah neither super exclusive opinion or particularly new. Was still surprised how many fans included Dwight in their group of players they want the Mavs to absolutely keep in the off-season. He's either an undersized center or 3 and d wing that can't 3 or d. He's still more of an end of the bench energy guy to me. It's not wrong to have him by any means, but he's not in the Maxi or DFS category.

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Yeah neither super exclusive opinion or particularly new. Was still surprised how many fans included Dwight in their group of players they want the Mavs to absolutely keep in the off-season. He's either an undersized center or 3 and d wing that can't 3 or d. He's still more of an end of the bench energy guy to me. It's not wrong to have him by any means, but he's not in the Maxi or DFS category.
Was with you until last two words. DFS wouldn’t get many minutes on other rosters. His defense is a nice boost but is a hole on offense.
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Was with you on none of this especially the last 3 words.
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Was with you on none of this especially the last 3 words.
I hope Rick will insert DFS into the starting lineup and send Wes to the bench when DSJ returns because I think that is our best lineup(Luka/DSJ/DFS/Barnes/DJ) in terms of chemistry and more in tune with our future.

I don't have stats to prove it but it seems DFS was more comfortable and productive as a starter, and complemented Luka, DSJ and Barnes well.
With the 2nd unit he seems to play out of his realm wanting to do too much playmaking (similar as Wes as a starter) but with the 1st unit he seems to be more content as strictly a 3-D guy and defers to the others to be the 5th option on offense.

Plus DFS is a much more versatile defender than Wes and can guard the best opposing player (1-3 and some 4s) which is almost always a starter.

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I hope Rick will insert DFS into the starting lineup and send Wes to the bench when DSJ returns because I think that is our best lineup(Luka/DSJ/DFS/Barnes/DJ) in terms of chemistry and more in tune with our future.

I don't have stats to prove it but it seems DFS was more comfortable and productive as a starter, and complemented Luka, DSJ and Barnes well.
With the 2nd unit he seems to play out of his realm wanting to do too much playmaking (similar as Wes as a starter) but with the 1st unit he seems to be more content as strictly a 3-D guy and defers to the others to be the 5th option on offense.

Plus DFS is a much more versatile defender than Wes and can guard the best opposing player (1-3 and some 4s) which is almost always a starter.
Hes definitely a better defender and rebounder but wes cant be deadly from 3. I'm torn on our best lineup. I just hope like hell dsj can help get us back on track when he returns.
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What a game! I needed a day to think about it.

I think we all need to move back a bit in our viewing the Mavs this year. If you take the Eagle Eye approach you have to realize where the Mavs were last year and that not everything changed with DJ and Luka.

Before the season started we even talked about Tanking...

So I am happy with these games as they are FUN to watch. And we have to realize that building that franchise to a contender again needs 1-3 years. Maybe next year we can beat these teams in the end, this year we still in the building phase.
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Hes definitely a better defender and rebounder but wes cant be deadly from 3. I'm torn on our best lineup. I just hope like hell dsj can help get us back on track when he returns.
If Wes doesn't think he is our #2 option on offense I'm fine with him but that just doesn't seem to be the case.

I like DFS as a starter because many of the teams in the West have bigger star players (Durant, LeBron, Harris, DeRozan, George, Thompson, etc....) that I think DFS matches up with better than Wes. DFS should be logging the heavier minutes at least when DSJ gets back because Luka/DSJ/Barnes provides plenty of offense and we don't need Wes taking away from their opportunities and development anymore than necessary.

I can understand Wes taking on a larger role with DSJ out but when DSJ comes back Wes either needs to throttle it back a little exclusively to a 3-D guy and defer to the other 3 starters for playmaking, or go to the bench in favor of DFS.

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What a game! I needed a day to think about it.

I think we all need to move back a bit in our viewing the Mavs this year. If you take the Eagle Eye approach you have to realize where the Mavs were last year and that not everything changed with DJ and Luka.

Before the season started we even talked about Tanking...

So I am happy with these games as they are FUN to watch. And we have to realize that building that franchise to a contender again needs 1-3 years. Maybe next year we can beat these teams in the end, this year we still in the building phase.
But would this team actually be fun to watch without Luka? Watching Wes and Barnes shoot us in and out of games while still losing them isn't too much fun. You can only have so many moral victories.

And next year we can beat these teams? Except we literally have no idea who will be on the team next season outside of those with contracts. Fun is watching this team commit solely to the future, but we just have no clue whatsoever what that future is...esp if these ridiculous DSJ rumors have any truth to them. It's just becoming harder to enjoy the ride when yet another plan powder summer is looming.
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But would this team actually be fun to watch without Luka? Watching Wes and Barnes shoot us in and out of games while still losing them isn't too much fun. You can only have so many moral victories.

And next year we can beat these teams? Except we literally have no idea who will be on the team next season outside of those with contracts. Fun is watching this team commit solely to the future, but we just have no clue whatsoever what that future is...esp if these ridiculous DSJ rumors have any truth to them. It's just becoming harder to enjoy the ride when yet another plan powder summer is looming.
Honestly I think other teams are just speculating that DSJ/Luka won't work and are making some of these rumors happen hoping they might get him at a bargain. The statements in article in the link below seems to suggest other teams have more interest in trading for Dennis than the Mavs have in moving him. I'm sure Mavs will listen if someone is willing to give up something that makes sense but I wouldn't be too concerned at this point.

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At this point, I really don't even want to contemplate trading DSJ. He's been injured recently, and he and Luka have not had many games playing together, so there is a lot to learn and work on. Personally, I like DSJ's improved stroke from 3. We know he is athletic, and I am noticing an improvement in his defense. What I'd really like to see would be DSJ converted successfully to a 2 guard. Luka could run point and DSJ with his athleticism, improved 3 point shot, and some work could be an absolute nightmare as a shooting guard and be the perfect complement to Luka playing point whether that's PG or PF. There is entirely too much potential here, and he is our 2nd most valuable asset right now, so give him at least another year and a half imo. The risk reward for keeping hims has a much more attractive upside than downside. Besides other players need to be moved first in order to maximize any trade involving DSJ in the future in order to get best bang for the buck imo.

Powell showed some glimpses early in the season, but that Powell has disappeared. He's an energy guy who is not the best rebounder, defender, nor finisher around the basket. I'd like to wish him the best and see him move on next season if not traded earlier.

Wes, thanks for being a character guy in the locker room, but it's time to move on. Yes, he can hit some timely 3's, but for the vet he is, he is too much of a bonehead at times, and 3 negative possessions for every 1.5 positive ones is a net negative. Give me DFS. Better defense, less splashy, but solid support and production with an opportunity for more upside improvement. Wes is all downhill from here imo, and father time is not on his side. If I never see him dribble again, life will be good. lol

Barnes? He's an enigma for me at this point. I really like the guy. I love how he has tried to be what the Mavs need him to be. His 3 point shot is much improved, but DAMN I am sick and tired of watching him plow into 3 guys in the lane without a second thought of passing out. WTH?! On top of that, for a guy with his physical tools, I think I could match him in rebounding. Assists? Uhhh, does he even know what those are? I'd like to see him move on in 2 years, but would be okay with him for another year. I don't want too much roster turnover just for the sake of turning it over, and he can score. The way Barnes plays seems better suited fit-wise as a shooting guard for the Mavs, if only his defense could hold up.

More Kleber. No need to say anything more imo. It's way too obvious to me.

DAJ? At times I like his energy and enthusiasm, but I'm not a fan of his defensive vacations. I appreciate what he brings, but it's too one dimensional for my tastes. I'd prefer to see the Mavs move on and get somebody more well-rounded and try and pick up some of the rebounding slack in the F positions. Going this route also goes against keeping Barnes due to poor fit as a rebounder.

For all of the ups and downs, it has been a fun season, and I think Luka is the key. It's a lot more fun watching this group mix it up and mess it up with the idea that Luka is only going to get better and that the MBT has an opportunity to really build something special over the next few years.

Merry Christmas everyone.

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What do people honestly think we can get for our scrubs? I mean we all could agree that a player needs to go but what would the use be if the only thing available in a trade is something worse.

I also think people underestimate the power of having three point shooters on the team

Wes - 40.2% from three
Barnes - 41.5% from three
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What do people honestly think we can get for our scrubs? I mean we all could agree that a player needs to go but what would the use be if the only thing available in a trade is something worse.

I also think people underestimate the power of having three point shooters on the team

Wes - 40.2% from three
Barnes - 41.5% from three
DFS - 36.9% from three
Smith Jr - 35.4% from three
At this point Wes’ value is more as an expiring than anything.

I do agree we probably won’t get a better player in return but I think it has more to do with finding a more suitable player to go with our youth. Wes is too old and declining and I think the Mavs are evaluating the best of several ways to replace Wes.

1. Trade him for future assets and move DFS into his role.
2. Trade him for his direct replacement.
3. Let him expire and then find replacement in FA.
4. Let him expire and replace with DFS and use extra cap money to address other area of need.

Either way I will be shocked if Wes is in his current role next season. If he is we are probably not improving much next season. Wes simply doesn’t fit where we are as a team....at least not next season.
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What do people honestly think we can get for our scrubs? I mean we all could agree that a player needs to go but what would the use be if the only thing available in a trade is something worse.

I also think people underestimate the power of having three point shooters on the team

Wes - 40.2% from three
Barnes - 41.5% from three
DFS - 36.9% from three
Smith Jr - 35.4% from three
With Wes and Powell gone that would open up more minutes for DFS and Kleber. That's an upgrade overall imo, as well as getting younger. This also opens up 2 roster spots for what else may come along via draft or FA. The main reason I want to see them gone, aside from not caring for them much, is that Carlisle would be forced to play somebody else... preferably Kleber and DFS, or somebody else. As long as they are here, I am skeptical as to how quickly Rick would reduce their minutes and roles, especially in light of their overpaid salaries. Addition by subtraction. Same as it ever was with these two.

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